#10MinuteTalk 

Wow!! You guys are killing it with all the 10 min cartridge talks. Thank You!!!

With more heavy for caliber bullets coming out I believe the 22, 6mm, 25creed are going to keep getting more popular

These cartridge talks are absolutely the best thing this holiday season! Thank you Mark, Jim and Ryan. Looking forward to the next two. 👊🏻

So I’m not particularly interested in this cartridge but I enjoyed the talk anyway. I found you guys last winter and binged all the 10min cartridge talks. Glad to see you doing more of them.

Yes I have one and I love it. I rebarrelled a Savage GRS 6MM Creedmoor after lack luster results on the loading bench. The 22 Creed like all Creedmoor loadings tend to LOVE H4350. It’s a zero recoil having, bughole group making dream with a Hornady 75 Grain BTHP at 25 Thousandths jump. So far the 82g Bergers, 88g ELD and the 90g Sierra ALL shoot lights out. Have yet to shoot the 90g A Tips or 95g HPBT Sierra. Also as a side note I’m running brand new Peterson Brass Can’t wait to punish the P Dogs this spring!!

It’s a beast, I shoot 85.5 grain Berger’s at 3350fps. Nothing has walked away from it yet. Shot a whitetail and it was struck by lightning, I was shooting crows at 300 pretty easy.

I’ve always loved these 10 minute cartridge talks! Keep it goin fellas

This has become my favorite pod to listen to passively at work. You're also correct on every cartridge you talk about makes me want something chambered in it! Lol

Why don’t we stir the pot and do a comparison of the 300 WSM, the 300 RCM, and the 300 SAUM? There are some interesting point to be made, considering the philosophy behind each of these cartridges being so different.

Love the talks! Keep bringin'em!

Another great talk. Would be cool see you guys turn back the clock, and talk about the .22 Hornet. Efficient, mild report (for a center fire .22), near zero recoil, and beats the .22 magnum.

Love this cartridge talk you guys kill it!! Ryan is very knowledgeable and it’s awesome to learn!! Would like to see you guys talk about 6.5 prc!!

Very accurate and would have to say the most fun to shoot cartridge I have! No recoil and it’s amazing! Seems to be very forgiving with all my hand loads under 3/4” in different powders and bullets.

Found my new favorite podcast. Now I'm going to end up with a bunch of new rifles in calibers I didn't know I needed.

Outstanding. Thank you

I run the 95 gr Sierra match king and it's been stupid accurate, barrel life is claimed to be 700 - 1000 rounds but if you want cheap with good barrel life shoot a 22LR

Brilliant videos keep up the good work . Could you please make a video on the 6.5x55 swede thank.

22 GT gives you back some barrel life

Have 2 absolutely love them waiting on my MDT chassis for the second now!

I'm in the process of working on 22 250 ackley one in seven twist i think i'll stick with that

I have 300 prc 6.5 creed and 6 creed. Love all three. About to build a 6.5 prc. Looks like I’ve got another build coming straight up after that one now😂👍😊 Outstanding vids guys👌

I have on order a 22 Creedmoor that should be done in about 6 months. I chose this one based on the predator hunting I do: Coyotes and Wolves. The 22-250 was my favorite but with the 50 grain V-max's leaving the muzzle at 4,006 FPS, they really dropped off past 400 yards and questionable whether they could down a Wolf. This new cartridge gets me the best of both worlds, close in for the close calls, then I can also take out a Wolf (much bigger than a Coyote) but also take out Coyotes at distances up to 600-700 yards. This 22 Creedmoor is a game changer for sure.

WSSM cartridges next!! Love the cartridge talks. Keep them coming

I like that 70 grain Barnes as well, but they recently released an LRX in 77 grain that has a substantially higher bc of .404 vs .323 for the 70gr tsx. Probably a perfect match for this cartridge imo.

I have a 224 Clark made in the 1960s and it uses the 257 Roberts improved case with a 1 in 9 twist. It used 80 and 82 grain bullets. It was way ahead of its time. Great conversation.

Just asked for this yesterday haha. Love it

Have you done a 10 min talk on the 224 Valkyrie? That would be a good thing to discuss since it can be in both a bolt and an AR15 platform.

I've also seen the 22 creedmoor and 22-250's shoot its best at about 2800 fps which is where the 223 shoots best at in our f-class guns. The other issue that arises with 90's is the twist rate. I know the berger 90 vld's jacket can't handle the RPM once the barrel starts to get some fire cracking in it. As far as the 90smk's are concerned I don't have a lot of experience with them so I can't really speak on that.

Hornady needs to make this round official!

I absolutely love these.

This should be just shy of what a .22-.243 Middlestead achieves. There’s also the .22-6mm Rem, commonly known as a .22 Coyote, which is almost like a laser beam with 69-77gr bullets which also goes by the name of .22 TTH with the heaviest of .22 cal bullets and a faster twist barrel.

Thanks for the 10 minute talks I love your show I watch it almost everyday but I have a question I have owned a 7mm 08 and I've also on a 260 and a 243 I'm like almost every man out there I would like to own at least one of each caliber but could you do a comparison of the 260 Remington versus 243 ,7mm 08 and 6.5 creedmoor I've got my thoughts on this but I'm still learning I've learned a lot from you guys I would like to hear what you think about it

When are we going to have a talk on the 7 rem mag? I think I remember Ryan saying he’s not a fan and would love to hear his take on it.

Love the Talk's, but it seems like barrel life is never mentioned when comparing a lot of these cartridges?

Now that you guys have reviewed the 220 swift, 204 Ruger, and the 22 creedmoor, you need to also review the 223 WSSM

I would absolutely love hearing you guys speak about the 7mm STW and the 7x57

I laughed when Ryan started speaking Jim's language with a car/engine block metaphor!!

Colorado has a max caliber restriction of .23cal for small game and furbearers west of I-25/Front Range - the 22Creed sounds perfect for sitting on a hill with a nice view in Western CO callin' in some yotes. I like the Tikka and KRG idea - I've had great performance from my current Tikka action. Now....ammo availability...that might get difficult sourcing primers/brass...

Guys, hear me out! 220 swift, updated to 65000 psi pressures to match 22-250 (its currently 62000), with a Creedmoor or valkyrie style shoulder/neck, a 1 in 7/8/or 9 twist, and those big ol' 90 grain .224 bullets that made the 224 valkyrie popular. That would be a badass cartridge!

.284 Winchester next please. Spawned some interesting cartridges

. 222 Rem and 264 Win Mag next, please! Can't find any good videos on either of them.

Definitely a cool cartridge I just had a 22-250AI built with a 1:7 twist to hunt coyotes at long range and white tail deer 250ish yards and in. I was looking hard at the 22 Creedmoor but I've always loved the 22-250REM so I went with the 22-250AI. Great video guys as always keepem coming!!!

Love it. Running a 22 inch barrel with 80.5 gr Bergers at 3400fps. Replaced my 22-250.

People have been wildcatting pretty much every cartridge for decades. The biggest recent advantage is the longer heavier bullets in every caliber that improve long range ballistics. Eventually you still hit that barrel burner barrier.

Shout out to Marc for the “this page was intentionally left blank.” refrence.

Would have loved to hear some comparison with the 22 Nosler. I believe both rounds were developed for potentially the same usage.

Fantastic cartridge. Hammer bullets a great hunting option!

223 rem has worked well for me for whitetail deer. This cartridge definitely has me interested.

big choice to make between these two small Creedmoor for such variety of shooting. was going to revisit forty years ago and chase a krico 222, but these things have so much want.

I think Weatherby just came out with their new version of this cartridge as well not to long ago. Would be nice to compare them

One of the customers from our shop had us build a lightweight custom bolt action and he's taken quite a few Aoudad and hogs at 700 yards regularly

I would also like to hear your thoughts on the 224 Valkyrie. I own one. It is dynamite on a yote. That’s with a 75 Gr ELD Match.

I have played with the thought of rebarreling my 22-250 when its burned out. However I've shot a 22-250 since I was a kid and is one of my favorites. I have enjoyed watching these talks and was curious if you could do one on the wssm cartridges 243 wssm, 223 wssm, 25 wssm?

Seems like the more I watch this channel, we’ll it would not exist without the guy on the right side of the screen. He is the brain of the operation. The guy closest to the screen tries to be a smart, but gets corrected, The guy in the back is like the little brother or friend who just wants his opinion heard that know one takes seriously. Anyways I’ve subbed, liked! Keep up the great content. Would like to know more detail about this cartridge.

I’ll keep my .22-250 for down here in TEXAS thanks!!! I can reliably drop deer, black bear, elk (yes, I dropped a cow elk with it!), and certainly pigs. My .22-250 with 60 grain Nosler Partitions is good for anything walking in North America except for the largest of the bears and musk ox. It shoots like a laser beam and drops pigs in their tracks. Almost zero recoil and AMAZING penetration capabilities. The Nosler Partition is the basest of the bad boys. Opens almost immediately and the core drives through hard.

Great, now I have to buy a 22 creedmore too

i’ll stick to a .22 250 with 45 grain hollow points coming out at about 4100-4200 fps!

Barrel life is the challenge with a coyote gun. We want something fast that doesn't destroy the bore in a few hundred shots. That's honestly why I'm considering the 223 because even though I have to call them in closer the ammo is cheap and the barrels last way longer than other options.

Seems badass I wonder how much flatter it is if it's flatter at all over a .257wby mag pushing a 80gr ttsx at 3900fps?

Anyone buying a 22 creed, look at the short action customs modular dies for creedmore family. It uses a neck shoulder bushing so you can do the entire Creedmor family with one excellent die.

I built a 22 Creedmoor upper this summer, but haven’t shot it yet; gotta get glass, and more components to reload for it.

I would also like to know y’all’s thought on the 22 creedmoor vs the 224 Valkyrie. I love the cartridge conversations btw.

Now that marlin is back in the saddle is there a caliber you would like to see it chambered in ? I am hoping to see 307w or 338ME . Would be cool to hear your opinions

Ive loved wildcatting since very young, learned to read on ackleys works. From the 22-243 middlestead and other snot rockets guys had in the 70s running 70-110 gr .224 bullets i read about, the only thing we have truly capitalized with now is the high bc bullets. Those early innovations were largely round nose long bullets with reamer cuts in the .3s for fb. These are nothing new, but the efficiency in case shape in addition to bullet designs we are seeing is growing in the right direction. Ive shot strictly .224 calibers for prs and nrl the past 2 years. From 223 223ai 22br 22gt and 22creed, comparing them all in performance. Even from the diminutive 223ai with 85.5s cleaned a stage at 1740 in the bw series, added horse power truly is just more of a good thing. Went through several 22creed barrels, and while a hot setup its lackluster barrel life is very hard to overlook for match style shooting. Including load development and sight in at matches, it would basically be a new barrel every 4 matches. And yet the 223s are going over 6k rounds and still punching .2-.3 groups? What is the balance? The 22GT. I get the same velocity with 90s and 95s with 8 less grains of powder which equates into less recoil (marginally as it is so light anyway) but barrel life has been phenomenal. Well over 2k rounds on all my barrels so far and some are leaving them over 3k rounds. Compare that to the 8-900 the creed barely makes it to there is no choice. P.s. the comment about the 22-250 ai vs creed is a little misleading because those of us that started with the 22 creed years ago were fireforming from 22 250 brass... the differences are negligible.

Love the creedmoor’s… would like to hear you boys chat discuss 7 SUAM.

''Every time..." I just built a 6.5 Creedmore, haven't shot it yet, and I want to throw it in the garbage. I'm pissed.lol

What episode do you review the 300 PRC? THX!

A cartridge episode on the 12 gauge would be amazing

I'm working on a vintage rifle with some custom stuff done to it like my 1953 Remington 721 270 Ackley. I was going to find an old Remington or Ruger in 22 250 throw on a fast twist Ackley improved barrel but now I'm thinking I completely different strategy around the 22 creedmoor

I have a PRS rifle chambered in a 7 twist running a 95 gr. SMK @ 3150 FPS at sea level. Very flat shooting setup. Runs right there with all the 6mm's. You must maintain the throat to keep it heathy at those speeds and weight of bullet though. I reload using a single base Vihtavuori N165 power. Run's a little cooler.

I know its old and out of date but I recently bought a ruger m77 in 7x57 and don’t know a bunch about it. 10min talk would be awesome!

Before 2022 can you make my year and do a 10 minute talk on the 300 Savage

I am looking forward to getting one it reminds me of 6mm with a 1-12 twist and shoots same bullet waits..But it has somewhat better bc bullets .....

Can you guys do or talk about the fine details about all things considered...for example..22 creedmoor..22 nosler ....the 24. ..the Grendel hEtc..etc..and discuss case size ...if over bore applies ...a barrel burner ...amount of rounds before barrel is cooked what problems why one manufacturer made it the way they did ...longer necks ...case capacity...if they will work in semi auto’s...over bolt actions ....up here in Canada we are limited to what we can use ...in states..the ar platform ...case life.barrel length ...longer better than a shorter I’d love to hear things explained...why and what was the reason manufacturers went the way they did And the reasons for there conclusion..... Great videos and pod casts...keep up the good work Cheers from Canada!!!

To me it usually comes down to twist rate. Just as the .224 Valkyrie was fighting to get a foothold in the market, people started saying "I think I'll just rebarrel my .22-250 with an 8 inch twist".

love these talks......can I suggest one of my favs??? how about 358Win??

While I always like variety & choices, even in bone stock 6.5 Creedmoor you can get major-brand factory ammo between 95-147 grains (Hornady, Winchester, Barnes).

You mention how in many states there is minimum size requirements for big game. You guys should do a 10 minute talk on why that is and if it makes sense

I can hear the lands and groves crying from here.

Basically the same thing as 22-243 middlestead which uses a 243 case. Barrel life is a major concern with 22-243 22 cheetah or any of these short action 22s. 22 grendel based on the 220 russian - 6mm br - 6.5 grendel line seems to be the way to go, more reasonable velocities with good barrel life shooting the same bullets. If you really want the speed and can deal with 1500 round barrel life, 22 creed / 22-243 middlestead seems to be the best option for a very high velocity very high bc bullet shooting a 90 grain.

I have a 6mm Creeedmoor and it is a laser. I can imagine a .22 Creed with really heavy pills and a fast twist would hammer.

Love it.

Been wanting to build one for years

It's a fine idea. And that's from a .220 Swift fan (my first centerfire which I got in Jr High). .22 Creedmoor is like a Swift or Cheetah with room for VLD's. With small pocket Lapua brass, to boot. Will eat barrels faster than bigger Creedmoors, though. And I wouldn't push it for anything bigger than a whitetail, and with very careful shot selection on them.

why not use the 6mm CM for all this? how do they compare?

Would love a Bergara ridge SP in this cartridge. Hope it happens this year

Don’t know how I haven’t found you guys but this shit is fun.

Please do an 8.6 blackout 10 minute talk!!!

Before this was out there was the 22LRV (long range varmint). Its a 6xc necked to 22 cal. My brother in law built one of specs from West Texas Ordnance. Its a shooter.

Don't have a 22 creed but I've been shooting a 22-6mm rem for awhile and the 22 creed is very similar in performance. It's best suited for bullets 75 gr and up, and really best for 80-90 gr bullets. I've got a 1-7" twist bbl and a 1-8" bbl and I have to throttle back on the 1-7" with some bullets to keep them from spinning apart mid flight. From the 1-7", the 90 gr berger vld @ 3400 fps is a death ray for whitetail as is the 77gr Barnes LRX @ 3700 fps and the 1-8" works well with the 80s.

Can't wait for tomorrow's

Would like to hear a about the 7 saum

You could use the 22 creed in Utah on elk, we only have a center fire cartridge requirement.

Optimal barrel length? 24”? Could you run a heavy 30” and use for F-class

I love this idea but have serious doubts on longevity of the barrel and throat erosion

Not yet available as a component the 69gr Sierra blitz king shows promise, hoping to see Berger release a high BC varmint bullet similar to those 6mm offering

I love the 6.0 G.M as well as the 22 creed

Will there be more choices for 7 mm SAUM and can we get 6.5 SAUM manufacturers on board

I want one. I have rem model 7 action laying around.

You will get a caliber that will most likely burn out a barrel in less than 900 rounds (depending on the barrel maker) of ammo unless you get it hot shooting 300 yard F-Class etc. where you shoot 22 rounds in 20 mins. then maybe 600 rounds. It's good for Gunsmiths like me, i charge $400 for a barrel and $300 to put the barrel on. It's a win win for me. Basically the same principle as the 6.5-284 or 6.5 PRC or 22-250 Ackley or 22-243 Middlested or 22-284 and when they burn the throat it's not worth setting the barrel back becasuse it will burn the barrel way forward of the throat as well because of the amount of powder used. 6mm Creed. is already a barrel burner and a .22 Creed?. well, it's way over bore capacity and has a thirst for barrel throats. I and barrel makers will love it.