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I agree with 243 being top choice. It’s been a around for a long time and it’s not really going to leave you wishing it was something else.

If you don’t care about the fur a 25-06 with 85gr nosler or 90gr sierra blitzing at around 3600fps is absolutely amazing on yotes!!

I run a 75 grain vmax in a .243 win MV-3470 (avg) I'm in SE Missouri . Shots vary greatly. Depending on where I'm hunting. Most of the time we are hunting over hayfields. (Because we like to shoot long) we typically hunt in 2 or 3 man teams. Each guy has a different job and weapon. The caller is in charge of the call and decoy he is usually running the shotgun loaded with 3" #4 buck and a XF choke. The Postman (Because he sends it) will carry the bolt gun. And is responsible for all long shots. And if there is a 3rd guy we call him the Pepper, he carries an .223 ar with lpvo and is responsible for dogs on the run. So as Ryan would say "it depends" but ultimately they will all wax a song dog. That's how my crew does it in SEMO. Good luck out there and hunt safe

I love how all these 10 Minutes Talks are a half hour long.

If there is such a thing as the perfect coyote setup, Ryan's new Howa Carbon in 6ARC is a strong contender for that title. We need an update!

.204 is SUPER popular for coyotes in Eastern Montana.

Im a fan of a fast twist 22-250 with a 60 grain pill of various assortments. The ability to hold on hair out to 300-500 yards when a hasty shot is required is nearly unprecedented

I am a 6,5 Grendel guy because I have the rifle, the brass, bullets, the dies. It has been around for 20 years. Howa has made a 6.5 Grendel for a long long time and plenty of AR from PSA to Alexander Arms. Ruger makes a bolt gun in 6.5 Grendel and I am sure they have an Arc as well if not they will!

22-250 is my choice. Ruger M77 hearvy barrel. The topic is best coyote caliber not dual purpose caliber.

While I don’t hunt dogs, I’m a little surprised that the .22WMR didn’t at least come into the conversation

I think given a few more years, the 6 ARC will be a stand-out Coyote round.

As a 6.5 Grendel lover, of coarse the Grendel is the best. And is a gas gun, and kills Deer, I reload so I’m biased. Just rest easy, I’m right and everyone else is wrong….🤥 unless it’s almost every other rifle cartridge made😀😀😀 we all got our favorites. I think the yotes are in trouble. Loved the conversation!

6mm Remington, I didn't hear it mentioned so I thought I would throw it in the ring.

I find these "what is the ideal caliber?" discussions very entertaining. It's good for the deer camp discussion, the barroom debate and so on. Personally, here's my take: What is the ideal caliber for coyote? My answer: .308 What is the ideal caliber for eastern woodland white tail deer? My answer: .308 What is the ideal caliber for elk? My answer: .308 What is the ideal caliber for feral hogs? My answer: .308 Are you seeing a trend here? I ask myself: Can I hit the target in a vital area? Will it deliver enough power for a clean kill? If the answer is yes and yes, then it's right. Other calibers work well, of course, but I choose .308 because I have one I shoot very well, and it kills cleanly. As Col. Cooper said "If you shoot something with the .308, it stays shot." ...plus the inexpensive availability of NATO 7.62mm M80 ball encourages frequent practice without the chore of reloading. What else is needed? Well, thanks for an entertaining podcast, and please keep up the good work.

220 swift

6.5CM is a very popular chambing in todays rifles. I picked up a sig cross in 6.5cm for coyote hunting because it made since to me. light weight, accurate, packable, removable mags and the 18” barrel works great with a suppressor. Ive been using it for 2 years now for nothing but coyotes and havent looked back. 90gr Noslers and 95vmax work awesome on coyotes. 187 Coyotes where taken with that rifle in 2023. Im excited for the new 100gr eld-VT. Hopefully I will get to try those out soon.

South Texas ... I use my 6.5 grendel lighter weight bullets for the added velocity... much like the .243 concept. it's a great middleweight contender. I have an 18" gas gun. but have taken deer and hogs also. most stuff down here is considerably smaller due ti climate and food sources😊

.243 for me, used to use a .204 but wolf population is getting high and i wanted some extra horsepower for the big pups

The 22-250 has been the most popular coyote cartridge in my part of the world for many years. Flat trajectory and doesn’t take long to get there on moving targets it seems to be the bolt gun choice.

Been running 6 ARC last two years and currently building 22 ARC not speed demons but super efficient. Small rifle primer and ar15 mag length. Hard to beat.

204 all the way! Shot placement! If you can cover 3,4,5 shots with a nickel 204 no questions!

Bolt gun: 22-250 with a 55gr ballistic tip Gas gun: 6.5 Grendel with about a 110gr varmint projectile. A close second would be an AR -10 in .243

223 definitely does the job. I know it’s not cartridge talks but con we bring in more about barrel life in the talks? Especially when it comes to varmints. Including magnum calibres. Love the podcast. Great work guys

I use 204 and 22-250 on ring seals. Bearded seals here in the Arctic in Baffin Island

With the possibility of wind, and longer shots, the 243 is a great choice with the availability of the ammo.

Old tote hunter told me "more coyote are shot with a .223 than any other round, and more coyote are wounded and lost with a .223"

Please rename this podcast to “22 reasons why Ryan has beef with the 22-250”

My last two coyotes were taken with 450 Bushmaster. It was devastating. I’m in heavy wooded area so distance is not a concern. I wanted a cartridge for hogs, deer, coyote, and anything else that needs dropping in its tracks.

I use many but I love my 204 ruger for daylight hunts! Pretty cool seeing bullet impacts

22 Creed is way more popular than you all think. 22 Creed where your restricted to 22 cal for sure. I think New York is only 20 cal. I'd probably do 243 if i could. An once you go thermal you can't go back lol

LOVE the 6 ARC.... this is an AMAZING round and needs to be talked about more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the Appalachian mountains the 223 gas gun is best. I’ve used everything from 55 grain sp to 75 gr BTHP.

That was a really interesting conversation. I am not a hunter, but I am a gun builder and shooter. Based on [your conversation] and my own experience, I personally think that the 6 ARC has absolutely eclipsed everything from .243 Winchester on down. I have both a gas gun and a bolt gun in 6 ARC. On the gas gun I am running a Wilson Combat 18” Tactical Hunter 1 in 7.5” twist. I am getting 2617fps with Hornady Match 108gr ELDs. An 18" gas gun is losing approximately 150fps from factory tested with a 24" barrel. I have found the 18" gas gun to have about 35fps less muzzle velocity than a 22" bolt gun. I am able to get 3/4” groups at a 100yds from the bench, on a bipod and trap bag. I don’t know why more manufacturers are making the cartridge yet, but I have found Hornady BLK and Match readily available at around $1.10 per round. My very personal belief is that it will become the U.S. Military’s new battle rifle cartridge. SOCOM is using it right now as their secondary behind 5.56. I do not believe that the 6.8x51 will ever have more than a limited use in the military, but that is another story for a different day.

Terrain and vegetation affect the decision in my opinion. I live down in the brush country of South Texas. On my place, a long shot might be 100yds. Why? The elevation changes and thick brush make seeing much beyond that quite impossible. Because I have one dedicated to the task, I use a 20" AR-15 in 5.56/223 with a 3-9 power scope. It works perfectly fine. Prior to getting that rifle, I was using a Savage bolt action, same cartridge. Still a good option IF you won't be needing to engage more than one. We have stealth coyotes. They are slinkers. They use concealment as much as possible. However, most of the coyotes get shot out by my chicken house. That shot from the back porch is 30 to 40 yards max. That is a 22LR shot easy. My wife has a Ruger 10/22 she keeps by the back door and she has gotten the last two. (those are her chickens, just ask her. She DOES NOT like predators!).

Im another 6.5 grendel fan!!! It can run in a gas gun or mini action bolt gun... can handle deer, coyote, and able to buck the wind as well as reach out and touch em. I love mine in a 16in light weight AR build.

Nice presentation. The 243 is probably the best answer. As far as the 22-250: I don't know I've ever actually seen one in person. Could the 224 Valk not be loaded with the lighter 58gr Vmax and outperform a 223? I know it's designed for heavy for caliber bullets, but does something prevent using lighter pills? Seems to me that would go a long way toward bringing the AR up to (closer anyway) par with a 22-250 bolt gun. I'm in heavily wooded and rapidly growing Central NC. Coyotes are a newish issue here. But they're numerous down along the wetlands half a mile below my house. Debating 223 vs 6.5 Grendel vs 6.5CM. I have all three in bolt and gas guns. I have Controlled Chaos loads for both 6.5 rounds, so that's where I lean. All sorts of varmint rounds in 223 and even Federal 110gr varmint loads in 308. Always enjoy these. I do wish the didn't ramble quite so much so as to stay somewhere close to the stated 10 minute mark. But it's cool when I have half an hour to kill.

Can't believe you left out .22 Hornet for Coyotes

55 gr sierra 1365 in a 22-250 22-250 ai 220 swift or 22 creed is a sweet spot for performance and minimal pelt damage

I believe my 25-250 (aka 250 Savage, 250-3000) is the perfect combo compromise.

Got my first Coyot with my 270 (150 federal fusion) while deer hunting and listening to the 10mm vortex podcast.

I'd argue that the velocity of the 22-250 makes it better than the 223 at 200-300 on a moving target which wasn't discussed. You're looking at half the drop, and 33-50% more energy from the 22-250 by the time you're out there.

With regards to the customer who said you cant say "it depends" then i would say overall, for the widest variety of ranges, the .22 Creedmoor is the most versatile. You can run light bullets at blistering speeds just like .22-250, or you can run heavy bullets that hold their velocity well and hit harder at distance like the 6mm & 6.5 Creedmoors. If youre talking purely the most versatile and beat coyote rifle, now if it's pulling double duty as a deer or even elk gun I'd go bigger, the 6mm Creedmoor would be my absolute minimum for elk leaning much more toward 6.5 Creedmoor (as far as this converstion goes) But with a .22 Creed you can run it in a bolt OR gas gun, with bullet weights bewteen 45-95 grains and so with one cartridge you can hunt close or long range, and semi or bolt action. For coyotes specifically it has devastating potential at any sane distance and crazy versatility.

I love my 224 valkyrie for yotes. Not sure if you have done a episode on the round. Like what it could have been and where it went wrong

25/06 hands down.

similar to the 6 arc is the 6.5 grendel, which will also be available soon with a 100 grain eld-vt load. Like the 6 arc, it will make predators plenty dead without undesirable rapid unscheduled disassembly

Up here in Northern Wisconsin a 12 ga. works best in the swamps and pine mixed with hardwood forests.

I like the 204 ruger for coyotes longer distance need the 40 grain but for here in the yard wich is 350 yards and in the 204 ruger with 32 grain is perfect

You guys should look at long range ar15 cartridges. 224 Valkyrie, 6.5 Grendel, 22 arc, etc

So many variables here. Terrain, range, do you have to trek in with the weapon. Are you intending to use or sell the pelt. Or just out to remove the varmits

For an AR-15 platform, 6.5 grendel is the way to go with the 6 arc only losing because of availability, if 223 isn't doing it for you. I dont think 224 Valkyrie is any better at light and fast than a 223 with factory loads, so your only advantage is throwing +75gr match bullets alittle faster, and every forum that i have read comparing 224 Valkyrie and 6 arc has the same outcome of people sayings they have rebarreled their 224 to 6 Arc for a more versatile gun. The 6 arc doesn't have the availability of the grendel yet, even though 6mm is probably the best diameter for the case size to get a good combination of velocity and b.c. with a 90 to 110gr bullet. For the 6.5 grendel, Federal lists the 90gr tnt at 3000fps muzzle, or if you plan on +300 yard shots the 123gr edl match will deliver energy on target. Only problem with the grendel is the moderate velocities of the +120gr bullets means large drops especially +300 yards where drop distances may become greater than the height of the coyote you're shooting at, this is where the 6 arc would have a little advantage with a lighter and faster bullet but the same b.c.

Running a 6 arc 58 gr Vmax and 223 53 gr Vmax. Love them. 243 win with 70 gr Nosler or 75 gr Vmax are deadly. 6 creed 75-87 gr Vmax

Would be a better podcast if they talked bullet, bullet load, how far from the jam is and case preparation. Or even talk factory hot loads with a specific bullet type and weight. Because without those all rifle calibers are good and bad when it comes to killing yotes. Hell the ultimate rifle wood be a 50 BMG Example a .223 shoots a 35 to 85 grains in many different variations, tails and olives. A 22-250 will do the same. Which one is better well a 22-250Varmint Grenade won't stabilize in a 1/14 or 1/12 twist. But it will in a .223 1/8 or 1/9. Sure the .243 will and anchor a yote its shooting a 74-110 bullet in various configurations, however it wont anchor one with match bullets like a Sierra 90gr Match-King, Lapua 100gr Scenar, and Berger 100gr VLD. What I just said was just some of the variables n a coyote rifle of your choosing! Again all calibers are good and bad on yotes. These guys need more time killing yotes and allot more time understanding ballistics and bullet energy. I can say this and back up what I say as I have been trapping and calling yotes since the Burnham Brothers first aired on American Sportsman in 1966. When Dennis Kirk started making cassette tapes in the 1970s.

I was gonna say .22 Magnum. My dad has taken two bobcats over the past 30 years with a .22 Mag revolver. They typically show up looking for a quick meal and my parents used to have a cluster of chickens - not bought but roamed the countryside - and all were taken before dusk before they roosted in nearby trees. Also, they had a pair of white kittens but one disappeared without notice and it was presumed by another bobcat.

I wish this had come out a few days earlier. I bought a couple boxes of the 58 grain v-max thinking I would develop a load for coyotes. I also picked up a box of the 80 grain gmx. Do you guys think it would have the same effect as the 100 grain soft points? I always look forward to new podcast episodes, keep up the good work guys! 👍🏽

Buddy of mine took a couple the other morning with a 22hornet

My introduction to coyote hunting was also my introduction to 6mmARC. My buddy runs a suppressed 18" AR. He hand loads 70gr Nosler BT bullets. I haven't built anything yet but think might get 2 uppers, one gas and one bolt.

I think you have to separate them into fur friendly and not fur friendly. 204, 223, 22-250, 22 dpc, or 22 arc. Non fur friendly, 22 creed, 6 creed, 243, and bigger. Since I own multiple of those calibers, my favorite is the 22 dpc (Thanks Desert Precision).

Oklahoma- I currently run a bolt and ar in 223 55gr vmax and 45gr JHP.. I don't care about fur , I damage more hide with my 223s than I ever did with my 243 58gr varmint X loads.. all in all.. where I hunt.. 243 would be top in coyote cartridge.. due to the vast ranges of properties I hunt.. but in the same breath.. I've hunted coyotes with a 300wm, if I could only have 1 cartridge.. 243 hands down , only reason I stopped using a 243 is bc I couldn't find the winchester varmint X 58gr factory loads anymore

If a 223 is good enough and a 243 is the best at anchoring and longer distance. The 22-250 has to be perfect. I run 22-250 mostly, 243 for wintertime coats and longer distances. TSS #2 is pretty hard to beat in the shotgun.

Just got a 6mm Creedmoor for long range target, coyotes, and deer. Bought Hornady 103 ELD-X to start with. No idea on what to use as far as bullets specifically for coyotes? I usually run into targets of opportunity while deer hunting.

What about 204 ruger in AR 15 platform? Could build your own or go with the Wilson combat

My 270 with 85 grain Sierras has worked for over 20 years on our ranch. What is even more fun is running a couple Stag hounds.

I have shot everything you talked about and the 243 with a sierra 85 grain bthp game king is my hands down favorite

Would the heavier bullet/less devastation effect hold true with 308 if used in this manner? I know it’s a bit much for coyotes but if guys are running 6.5 Creed then why not?

Thermal hunting I've only used ARs starting with 223, 243 for only a couple months because of weight, and now a 16" 6ARC which I love. Bolt gun for daylight I use a 243 but may try a 6 Creed.

Best cartridge for coyote for everything you guys talked about in the video- distance, gas gun, etc etc……….6.8spc and it still doubles as midrange deer/ hog and it also performs well on bobcat. I don’t live out west but from my experience with the cartridge on deer and hogs I would say it would work well for wolves and mountain lions at intermediate ranges as well. And I’ll add that even though I don’t own one nor have I ever shot one, 6.5 Grendel seems like it would be a good choice as well. I have had much better success with deer using the 6.8 over the 243. 6.8SPC over every caliber y’all mentioned for every purpose y’all discussed (caveat: bullet selection is key). Two years ago y’all performed a podcast speaking about the 6.8 spc. Interject this conversation into that one and redefine some enthusiasm for the 6.8 cartridge.

Elmer Keith claimed the .270 win is adequate for coyotes. As far a killing them, it is fine. Keeping them in one piece is another story with a 130 grain sst going 3k ish fps…

Here where im at its more common to call them in 100 yards or less. 223 AR works great. I love the 204 and 20 practical. Ive used 6cm and 6.5cm. Bad news close range. Rips them open and all required follow ups. 223 with 50gr pills drops them down hard.

Absolutely fantastic! I’m from Northern WI originally. Now live in NW Colorado. Keep these coming gents, well done! ❤

So I've been using my 300 blackout any thoughts on this round for coyotes

G'day again Gents. I like the energy for the 6mm ARC. My 6.5 Grendel is great on pigs but affordable hunting projectiles are scarce. What are your thoughts on a middle ground 25 caliber Grendel or ARC? I ask because 25 cal hunting projectiles are plentiful here.

I just purchased a CVA Cascade camo bolt action chambered in 243. Leupold VX-3i scope 3.5x10x40. Using 55 grain Hornady Vmax. Imho, this is the best round for coyotes.

coyotes are front leg drive. That’s why they elongate when running.

30:48 did they replace lead BB's with TSS?

I have 85gr Barnes TTSX loaded at 3450fps for my 243. Coyotes, deer and pigs...all bases covered for north Texas

Have to also think on sight picture after the trigger is pulled. And to tame this, sometimes weight is sacrificed. 22-250, 223, and so want to try the 22 arc

Ok- my turn, the questions should be - distance - terrain- prximity to population- for instance in my yard out to 150 yds i grab a 22MAG or 17HMR ,SOMETIMES my 17HORNET. Out to 250 or so perhaps my 20" DMR AR, ,beyond 250 or on a dedicated YOTE hunt it's time for the 24" /22NOSLER AR. Several yrs ago i got hooked on assembling ARs for different tasks, hence the various calibers, the proper tool for every task😂 -

243 with Barnes 80 gr. TTSX is awesome for Coyotes and deer. Also .17 HMR works great 100 yards in or closer!

243 and a 223 all situations covered…

22 Creed bolt day 6 ARC AR-15 thermal night

22 Creed. When are you going to test before and after Cryo performance of your barrel?

With the destruction of our fur industry this topic has become moot. At todays prices you can't recover the cost of ammo or gas so you are doing it purely for land management. That said, I hand load for 22-250, 6.5, 270, and 300PRC. The 22-250 was originally purchased for coyotes, with a fur friendly load in mind. With no availability of large rifle primers to reload them and the fur idea eliminated, moved to the 6.5 creed with small rifle primer Lapua brass.. was able to secure 7000 of those primers. 6.5 doesn't use that much more powder than the 22-250 either. The past few years have seen our local area trappers also quitting - the result this year on our whitetail and game birds was noticeable, this year was the first that our neighbor had so many sheep lost to coyotes that she sold the ones that survived. They come at night and in Canada we aren't allowed to do anything about it when our idiotic law prohibits pest control at night.

DPMS G2 rifles are coming back. They're pretty light for an ar10. And they mentioned.243. im considering an upper for my sf308 as an option

20 inch 5.56 pencil barrel upper for AR15 on a KP15 lower 👌 I have a 16 inch lightweight build on a kp15 lower and it’s so lightweight and handy. .243 is a really good choice though for small to medium game and it’s capable of a longer shot while still having plenty of energy. Great video

Had one come in to the cabin at daybreak, 55 yards and three penned dogs going nuts, 25 yards from him , 22LR dropped in his tracks !

Im using my ruger m77 in 300 win mag with 150 grain soft point from federal. Works like a charm

I love my 6ARC. The only thing is Hornady published two different sets of load data - one for bolt, one for gas. Might not matter for coyotes, but the performance is noticeably better out of a bolt gun.

I look at one not mentioned here the 22 GT! A load with a 77 to 80 grain bullet a carbon fiber barrel looking at 3350 to 3400 fps in a lite weight barrel and stock, makes coyote gun elegance.

At 100 yards or less 17hmr, 22 magnum, 17wsm Will do the job. Make sure you have a clean shot. 17wsm is more forgiving than any of the other rimfire cartridges. Anything over 100 yards 204 ruger or bigger, 22-250 is probably king. I still love my 204 its super flat shooting.

I have a number of coyotes that live around my house. They are very used to me so frequently join me on my porch. Love those babies.

Why is the 224 valkyrie not mentioned or more popular? Readily available in the ar platform with almost identical ballistics to 22-250

If the fur industry is dead, therfore you're not concerned with preserving the pelt, you might as well go 460 Weatherby Mag. If your aren't going to recoup cost anyway, why not go $11 a shot. In all seriousness, I really like the 25's and the 6's. I've alway used my 243 with 80gr. softpoints. Duel purpose, more horsepower, etc. I would really like to take a coyote with my 250 Savage or 257 Roberts, but I think for my next coyote hunt I'll be taking my brand new 6.5 grendel.

No love for the 6.5 Grendel??? It does a phenomenal job on coyotes. Also pigs, deer, bear, etc. Minimal recoil AR and Bolt Gun options. Not even an honorable mention… Dang…

Y'all took 300 prc off the table, I'm patiently waiting for the new Hornady eld-vt to be in stock so I can load some up 😂

30-06 with a 150gr nozzler ballistic tip is an effective coyote anchor. Only tried it once out of necessity because of the rifle I had with me

I imagine this has been mentioned before but I don’t recall….is that a portrait of Jason Alexander behind you Mark?

🤠 I Live Out West and The 243 is Wildly Popular (In a Bolt Gun) With Ranchers (Some Do Like the 25-06 as Well) - To Have One Versatile Cartridge That Can Also Put Down Deer and Antelope! And, You Are Also Correct That The 6mm prc and 6.5 mm prc Are Very Useful For That Too! I Am Really Hoping That The 6mm prc Catches on More (I Think It Is Ideal For Coyotes), But the 6.5 Creedmore's Are Just Flying Off the Shelves Here and Seems To Be Able to "Check All the Boxes" For Most Hunters, As a "Do It All Cartridge"! 🤑

I’ve switched from a 243 90 grain berger to a 243 58 grain vmax

Made me laugh right out of the gate! Time and money. Out till after 4am and eyeing thermal scopes that cost more than my boat (the wife just shakes her head). Interesting concept shooting a heavy bullet out of the .243 or 6arc, making 2 holes and not destroying the pelt. It flies in the face of my previous thought process. Previously, I have been a faster twist 22-250 and looking forward to trying the ELD-VTs. but if you are going to reload, might as well run a 250AI. Question then would be, 250AI or 22 creed. It would be an interesting comparison. 🤔 Either one would be a great "hold for hair" round.

Can you do an episode about MOA accuracy at ranges from 50-150 yards to when testing accuracy on ammo