I think you are 100% right about the next generation loving the .308. I have a 300 saum and a 300wsm and haven’t bought a rifle since 2012ish and recently spent a month or two researching a new gun. After watching videos on all the new “sexy” cartridges I was pretty intrigued by the 6.5prc but ultimately said screw it im gonna get a 308 and use it for everything and buy as much cheap ammo as I want
The 308 Win is the little cartridge that could. It is not particularly good at anything and fails to standout for anything other than long barrel life. That said it can be pushed into doing many different things better than it should if you are just looking at numbers on paper. That said I think the 243 Win and 7-08 Rem biorn from the 308 Win case necked down are actual better than the parent case they sprang from!
Carried a carbine in 350 Rem mag in the summer of “73, across the costal plains of northern Yukon as bear protection. Never used it although we did encounter Grizzly in the Barnes and Buckland mountains inland. Brings back good memories.
I totally agree! Ruger,Browning,Winchester,Remington listen up I kick myself in the butt for not getting a cz550fs or Sako Blackbear while I had a chance my uncle has a 700 350 Remington mag it is just an awesome rifle up here in Alaska no fancy scopes just straight up open sights one helluva gun for our big critters, same concept for the 9.3×62 and 35whelen, I mean cva makes a singleshot, Hell bring back the 7600 in 35whelen, my honeydew list is to get one of the miroku winchester 1895s and have jes re bore and cut the barrel down to 21" in 9.3!
THE perfect mountain rifle! 600's and 660's in 350 mag! It's an awesome cartridge that drops em on the spot. The point of the cartridge was a powerful, large caliber gun in a short barreled mountain rifle. Short throw bolt and really powerful. I handloaded 180 gr bullets with max loads and got devastating results on mule deer in Wyoming. It's one of my all-time favs!!
I found a nib ruger M77 all weather stainless 22" barreI, on gunbroker. I put a leupold 3x9x50 vxr on about 12 years ago or so. Bought it for Pa deer hunting. I love the gun and the round. Everyone that shoots the rifle is amazed by it. I'm a bigger guy but I really don't think it has a harsh recoil at all. Drops deer where you shoot them. I've used it in PA, Texas, WV, Ohio. It's just fun to hunt with and shoot.
A very efficient round. It has the same case capacity as the .30-06 but hot loads have the same energy as a .338 Win Mag (4,000 ft-lbs) and can easily be downloaded to .35 Rem and .358 Win levels. The best all around medium/large game round for American game IMO. Even good for elephant, rhino and African buffalo with Woodleigh 310gr FMJ bullets. Brass is available from Remington and Nosler Partition bullets are available (225gr and 250gr) along with Woodleigh SN, PP and FMJ bullets (225gr, 250gr, 275gr, 310 gr).
I don’t have a 350RM. But I do share Ryan’s nostalgic desire to hunt with old rifles. My first deer rifle was a 35 rem lever gun. Marlin of course. I sold it. But kept all the brass. My goal is to find a Rem model 8 in 35rem and hunt with it. Black bear spacifically. John Moses browning designed rifle and cartridge
Great show, as usual. A couple folks in the comments mention that the .350 Remington was at some point offered in the 700 Classic rifle. Anybody recall the year they launched that one and whether (I assume it was) built around the short 700 action? (I know I could Google it, but this way might be a little more fun.)
I have a Ruger 77 MKII in 350 Rem Mag. It's a beast. Recoil of this cracked the stock. Definitely need to reload for this baby. Brass availability is tough. And making your own is a pain. Cut down a 7mm or 300 Mag and turn the neck is the only way. Sure puts the hammer down on game. Love the lead balloon cartridges. This one fits great next to my 284 Win, 338 Federal, 358 Win, 356 Win, and 375 Win.
Seriously looked at a 350 Rem Mag Remington Model 7. I believe the barrel was 18 inches or so. Nice looking rifle. But man was it light. I would have kicked like a mule and ammo was really tough to find, even 10-15 years ago.
One better Ryan, I love to hunt with my dad's model 600 in .308, and my friend has a 673 in .350 Rem mag and they have taken some nice western Wisconsin whitetails.
This got me thinking you should do a cartridge talk on the 300 RCM (Ruger, compact magnum) in my opinion an amazing cartridge, but never really took off,
I have one piece of brass, family friend's dad had something in .350 Rem Mag, my friend never got told what gun it was, but that his dad regretted getting rid of it every time he took out his Model 70 in 300 win mag. Not that it was bad, but it was bigger, heavier and sometimes even too much gun.
As much as I am not a huge fan of the lacking performance of Hornady factory ammunition I somewhat wish they would try and work some of their marketing machine to get a .338 or .358 projectile into a necked up 6.5prc case to give something similar to the 338 rcm or 350 rem mag because I think it would be something wonderfully practical for hunting that people might accept from the current Hornady marketing machine
I have one in an M77 Hawkeye Compact Magnum rifle with a 20" bbl. It makes so much more sense than the 300 WSM I had in an M70 24" bbl. Short light and handy. I have an M70 300 Win mag 26" bbl for the extended ranges. Short actions should take advantage of their compact stature and not try to be the same as their long action brethren.
@@bkb5668 oh yes I wouldn't hesitate to stretch mine to those distances. That covers 90% of all hunting senario's. Many have a misconception of what is needed for taking most game. Key is well placed shots.
@bkb5668 I just can't believe it never caught on. Few guys still run them but brass is hard to come by and factory options are 0. Sucks. That's a great design
@@REDNECKROOTS I bought as many boxes as I could before it disappeared. 200 rounds or so. 180 SST Hornady mostly. Good for our black bear season. I would probably load 180 bonded or monometals for elk and brown bear.
With modern powders, you can push the 350 Rem Mag to 3100+ fps with 180gr bullets, 3000fps with 200gr bullets, 2900+ fps with 225gr bullets and 2700+fps with 250gr bullets. This is using modern 35 Whelen data which actually has a tiny bit less case capacity than the 350 Rem Mag
What kind of rifle you shooting those loads out of? The speed of the loads I'm shooting are 200ft/s slower and I still cracked my stock due to the recoil.
@@TOPGUNMPD08 I’ve got a Howa 1500 with a 26” McGowen barrel. The rifle is only 8.75lbs and it kicked like a mule til I put a break on it. Tamed it down a bit. The stock is a Bell and Carlson medalist so there’s no risk to cracking the stock. Was your action glass bedded in the stock that cracked?
You know your sh#t. Was hard to get through the early stuff. But fact is my 600 Rem Mag in .350 is the best deer rifle in bush that I have. Recoil is light and I'm 170 pounds. The 600 is a great platform. And agreed. I own a 45-70. Campfire talk. You guys have good debates.
You are absolutely right the 600 series rifle killing the 350 mag...if introduced in the earlier 2000s in a model 7 magnum within 24" barrel it would have taken the world by storm...far mor so than the saum unfortunately
Had a 600 Rem in 350 mag for over 30 years. 1 moose, 25 whitetail. Never an issue. All shots under 200 yards. Health issues put an end to using firearms with recoil above a 243. Loved the 350 rem mag. Worked for me.
Have you tried a high end recoil pad? I’ve read and seen a lot of videos showing a proper pad can mitigate recoil as much as a muzzle brake. Often the slowing of the gun solves the issue. You want something soft that deforms a lot. The deformation is what absorbs energy. Anyways just an idea to try, plenty to work with in the .243 realm and bellow.
Yes I a good recoil pad on it. Never minded the recoil. Had lesser cartridges in certain guns kick more. The reason for going to lighter recoiling firearms was detached retinas not from gun use but heavier recoil can increase risk. .243 works fine for me.
@@sawnut dang I didn’t even think of the facial area!!! But yeah retina is best off attached. Yeah I can’t imagine mitigation of any kind would help? Anyways take care
I have a 350 Rem Mag in a model 600 which was the inspiration for Jeff Cooper's Scout Rifle. The dog leg hand doesn't hit the hit under heavy recoil, the stock is weather resistant laminate, and the gun uses plastic parts inspired by the Nylon 66. It's a powerful carbine ahead of its time.
Of all the major gun companies, Remington has had the greatest record of snatching defeat from the jaws of success. 6mm, 280, 260, 350 RM. 6.5 RM, all great rounds that were doomed by overthinking or mismarketing or poor platform choices. Not to say that others didn't make mistakes but Rem. is/was the king.
I want to emphasize my enjoyment of listening to this podcast. I took a step back in time and felt an appreciation for something I've never even handled. Thank you gentleman
It's my favorite deer and black bear cartridge. I use it my model 700 with a 24" barrel. The worst part is even the bullets for reloading are becoming harder to find. And yes, I'm using in the Michigan north woods.
You must not be looking all that hard for 35 cal bullets for reloading because today searching MidwayUSA the 35 cal bullet selection was stocked with what brand of 35 cal bullets you want from Barns TTSX to brands of lead core 35 cal bullets. I own a 35 Rem and I am a reloader so all through this reloading component shortage I have bought 3 brands of 35 cal bullets.
@@travissmith-wz5nc I don't have a clue what you are trying to say a 348 caliber bullet. Clearing you don't know your own butt hole from a hole in the ground. The 348 win is a 34 caliber bullet and 35 Rem - 358 win - 35 Wheelen - 350 Rem mag all use the 35 caliber bullet.
My model 7 custom in 350rem mag goes for a walk or 2 every deer season. Bought it cheap a while back. Sad that it never took off because it is a heck of a cartridge.
Firstly, most of the men buying the 600 in 350 win mag in the 60's were 40 yr old WW2 vets. Recoil didn't scare them one bit. Secondly, the dog leg bolt came from the P14/M17.
I have Remington model 7 cdl. love it. It is the perfect size rifle easy to carry. I like having open sights just in case. It does recoil but it is not as bad. If you can handle a 7mm you can handle this. I wish it was still in production. This is one of few guns i will probably never sell or trade. When you carry it in the woods it just feels right!
The 350 rem mag hits hard! I took a a big red stag with the 350 rem mag, close range, double lunged, it ran 10 yards. Using a Rem 700. My complaint about it in the 700 is that it doesn’t load easily. So not cool if you had to reload fast in a dangerous game situation.
Forty-seven years ago my father-in-law gifted me with two, almost NIB Ruger M-77s, flat bolt handle, factory installed Lyman sights with 22 inch barrels, in 350 Rem mag and 6.5 Rem mag, manufactured in 1970, along with ammo and the reloading dies. The 6.5 has taken many N.E. WA whitetails and the 350 a few elk. No game animal ever required a second shot with the 350 but as mentioned by others, the stock cracked from heavy recoil before the first box of ammo was done. Over the years I kept my eyes open for brass and have accumulated a sufficient hoard for me to continue to enjoy shooting these fine vintage rifles and cartridges. They stay home during inclement weather. Superb video!
I just reviewed your video of one of those Elk harvests. What gets me is the clear audible report of the bullet connecting with the animal. A very loud thwak! No tracking required. A great, treasured and memorable hunt.
My father is about to turn 60 and he has always been a hunter and not a gun guy and he fully believes in belted magnums. He gets so excited whenever he sees a belt on a cartridge it's awesome! I'm convinced he'll never give up his 7mm rem mag though. Not much for change.
I have a stainless Ruger 77 in .350 Rem Mag. I use it as a hog gun shooting 225 gr partitions. I was attracted to the cartridge after reading a Chuck Hawks articles back in the early 2000s.
Fantastic. If Ian McCollum is the Gun Jesus of Forgotten Weapons, then Ryan Muckehern is the Pope or Dalai Lama of all things hunting rifles, cartridges and loading, etc. I am an avid hunter and firearms enthusiast amd collector, a lawyer a good generation older than these Whippersnappers. Ryan really knows his stuff. Great podcast - all three of these young men are class acts.
My buddy's dad killed about a 12' grizzley up in British Columbia, when the guy he was hunting with got charged. The guy emptied his 357 magnum and they peened off the skull cap and it was obvious it wasn't stopping it. He pulled up and shot the bear once and it slid to a stop 2 feet from the nearly peeing gentleman. He has the skull and skin from the bear and you can clearly see the 6 troughs from the .357 magnum (they were lead tips) and one big hole from the .350 Rem. Mag.
Ryan, .264 needs to be a talk. Make sure you point out 1) Remington hijacked the case to form 7mag. 2) Remington produced a push feed (700) and encouraged gun writers to diss the other push feed introduced (post 64 70) at the same timeframe. 3) Enjoy you guys!!
I have a 350 REM Mag by chance, not by choice, sorry to say. I inherited a Remington 700 Classic from my father-in-law. I reload for it, I deer hunt with it in Mississippi and i love it. I reload a Hornady 200 gr SP (#3510), with 60.0 gr IMR 4320. Believe it or not, compared to the many calibers I reload for, it is one of the most accurate.
Great video and I especially like the fact that the one speaker mentioned that the .350 Remington Magnum brass became the parent to a great many wildcat rounds. That being said, I own two firearms, one is an M.O.A. Maximum single shot pistol, right from M.O.A. directly in .416 M.O.A. (a.k.a. the .416 Express) and a custom Model 700 in the same caliber. In a handgun with an integral muzzle brake, it isn't that bad, in my custom 20" barreled Remington ... OOF !!! It's kick is sharp !!! Shooting a 350 grain Swift A-Frame bullet these two firearms have taken two Australian banteng, a huge wild boar, a scrub bull and a massive Asian water buffalo. I love this caliber.
I had a Remington model 7 CDL chambered for 350 Remington magnum. The looks and feel of a 700 CDL with the compact size and weight of the 660 Remington. Perfect rifle and it put game down.
350 Magnum, which uses a 200 grain Core-Lokt PSP bullet, claims a MV of 2775 fps. The muzzle energy of the new load is 3419 ft. lbs. The trajectory of that load should look like this: +2.7" at 100 yards, +3" at 125 yards, +1.3" at 200 yards
My favorite combo, rem 600, 1x6 leuopold, 350 rem mag. Col. Cooper used one to stop a charging lion in Africa. Will anchor a mule deer. Way under rated.
I have two 350's. 1 custom built 700 classic and a mint model 600. Awesome round! 2650 fps with a 225 partition out of a 21" pipe. It rings steel at 600 yard.
I was a kid and knew a few folks back in the 80's who had an 350 rem mag. One fella took an huge elk with it. As cool as that rifle is ive got an way way cooler piece in my old model 71 Winchester that is reamed to 348 Ackley Improved. That thing is pretty similiar to a 350rem but it operates in a incredible slick rifle.
The 350 with with a 200gr load can actually match the trajectory of what was a favtory 8mm Rem Mag load. I always laugh when I hear people talk ab9ut the big 8 being a 400 yard cartridge for its trajectory and then think the 350 is a short range round. In the woods it gives 338 magnum performance on game(not to be confused with paper ballistics), and it does it with less powder and perceived recoil. To use todays terms, it is an extremely efficient cartidge.
I'm here because I miss my 358W and the ability to download to smaller game (javelina) or plinker loadings with 158gr, 180gr XTP or other pistol bullets. You can do the same with the 35 Whelen and this 350 Rem Mag. Plenty of 7mm brass out there, just a couple more steps since you were going to have to reload anyway. Handle everything from mice to moose with one weird gun!
You all are about to cuss me: I’ve had a Remington Model 7 CDL since ‘09 that I’ve yet to make brass for. I’ve got at it a couple of times. Run into problems. Shelved it due to other things. I can tell you this: the 200gr TTSX WILL work. But I have no play for seating depth experimentation. It’s just gonna have to be good ol’ powder type and charge experiments. In my defense I have been using my Ruger Scout 358 in the meantime😉
@@stansinclair5521 haha, nice, but I'd pass. What a great cartridge. It's "just as powerful" as 9mm but costs as much as 10mm and is as common in stores as .32 auto.
the series of cartridges Winchester came out with for the 94 AE XTR would make a great episode I think, IMO the .356 Winchester is one of the best and most versatile lever-action cartridges ever made
I won’t take the Remington 600 slander🤣 my dad’s first gun that he handed down to me in .243. Very ugly but man does it shoot good. Who knows how many Texas white tails have died to that .243
Hey fellas. I still hunt with the 350 mag. Was my grandpas gun and he gave it to me. (Rem model 700). She kicks like a mule but it will knock an elk flat in its tracks.
I purchased a Remington 600 (w/rib) in 308 win. It is the what I consider to be the first light weight rifle. Mine scoped is just under 7 pounds. The only thing it doesn’t have like most modern lightweights is a hinged floor plate or magazine. The Remington 600 did what so many are trying to do to do today, light and short and did it in 1964!
The first light weight bolt action rifle was the Savage Model 20, introduced in 1920. It was basically a modified short action M98 Mauser. Wood stock with slim Schnabel style forearm. Weight was 5 lbs, 14 ozs. 22” inch barrel in 250-3000 and 24” in 300 Savage. Beefed up a little six years later when it became what is known as the 20/26. A true light weight mountain rifle 38 years before Remington brought out the 600.
The thing is that it was not designed particularly as a light gun. It was designed as a short "handy"gun. Guides wanted short fast handling rifles with no failure points, and it was marketed as a guide gun. A tool for professional hunters. It just happened to be kind of light because it was short. The genius of the rifle is its simplicity, it's reliability, and diminutive length. By not having a drop floor plate and just having an internal magazine it eliminated the possibility of dropping your ammo when pulling the rifle from a scabbard or off your back. The extended plastic trigger guard (which may have been the rifles downfall) was designed with the slope in front as to not snag on rifle scabbard or catch on the brush, which is the same reason the bolt is bent inward. Not having a drop floor plate also allowed for the trigger to be moved forward by an inch! * This is why the bolt is dog-legged forward. To make the bolt feel proper relative to the trigger. This setup shortens the rifle by an inch and moves the CoG back towards the shooter by a further half inch which is a big deal when added on top of the short action and the short barrel.
Killed a truck load of game with the 350 Remington magnum. Still my primary hunting rifles. I have a 600,660,673 and a stainless ruger 77. Use the Speer 180 and 220 gr. Flat points and it hammers them.
The 35s got overlooked. Belted mags in all three sizes: 350 Remington Magnum - short action 358 Norma Magnum - long action 358 Shooting Times Alaskan (wildcat) - magnum action We jump from 30-cal, or maybe 338 for most game up to 375+ for really big, dangerous stuff and don't pay much attention to some calibers in between. But I think belted mags are an anachronism in the 21st century, and don't think there's really any reason to buy one any more. (Apologies to all the 300 Win Mag fans out there.) I have an 8mm Remington Magnum, another belted magnum, another really good cartridge that just never caught on. But what do I need it for today? It's very cool. It packs a heck of a punch, for the shooter as well as the target. I feel like I could take on anything in North America with it. But there are better choices. The WSM you were talking about is the 35 Sambar. I hear it's popular in some parts of the world. Seems like a cool concept, a 358 WSM.
I have hunted with a 350 rem mag for years. IMO there is not many cartridges out there that flatten deer like it. 200 gr Hornady sp. out of a 5.5lbs Remington model seven. Deadly on both ends.
When Ryan said he loves the 308 because it can do anything, I feel the same way about the 7-08. And then I sighed because it doesn't get the love it deserves.
Appreciate the discussions on the cartridges. Enjoyed seeing this one as well. I noted y’all talking about components being hard to come by for the .350 RM. As a guy that shoots one off cartridges, Qual-Cart is my go to. They list .350 RM on their site and a lot cheaper than buying loaded ammo for the brass. I would love to see some discussion of 9.3 calibers. Currently have a 9.3x74, 9.3x62, 9.3 Sisk, and a 9.3 BS.
I had a Landlord that in his 70's was still bagging deer with a 350 Rem Mag. I think he was 78 or 79 still hunting with it each year then he died suddenly on his tractor working in the field. That was about 20 years ago now though. I can not rember now if it was a pump action or semi-auto I just remeber that he could get off 3 shots on running game very very quickly! I know it was not a bolt gun. I shot a 300 Win Mag at that time and an 8x57 Mauser. We both agreed that the 350 Rem Mag was a great cartridge that was underestimated and under appreciated by most!
I have a model 673 in .350RM. I have never seen more dramatic kills than this round and a 200 grain TSX. Black bear, many whitetails, large bore. Lightning quick one shot kills. Quicker kills than my 7Rum.
Convo about 300blk for a kid gun/predator/varmint/whitetail? I have one now and love it as a kid gun and running with silencer. Nobody thinks about it as a kid gun, good sized bullet, no recoil, usually shorter gun, and silent when suppressed
350 is a great round. Personally the 600 is a beautiful rifle to me. I get why people don’t like them. They do have their shortcomings, but for what they were designed as, Big Green knocked it out of the park. And nice to carry all day. In a 700 with the longer barrel it really wakes up. I enjoy mine! Plus it hits like a sledgehammer.
