@Samir Dončić No, I love my Sam. No way in hell ok if he wasn't born.😢 After all he's been through. All the plans demons n others had for him he still overcame n had the family he wanted. Love him.
DemonicDino - lol😂😂 If she didn't know better than hitting on him. If she even tried, _if_ and then realised that it's her child she's hitting on. But that would never happen since parental instincts.
@@thegreatandterrible4508 thanks that was.....educational. Ewww gross though. Imagine dashing into someone attractive and then realising they are your 5 millionth cousin.
I can't believe how good the writers wrote Mary not believing any of this when she knows full well what is out there in the world. Especially her line: "I raised my kids to be hunters? How could I do that to you?" because the hunter life is the one thing she promised herself she would never raise her children in when she left that life.
Season 1 to 5 had the best writing team that stayed under Eric Kripke. Once Kripke left after season 5 finished, the original writing team left with him and Sera Gamble had to find new ones once she became showrunner in Season 6, to which even she left after Season 7. Thats why Season 6 to 15 is basically garbage fan fiction
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Yeah you can definitely tell when stepped out of the writers role. Not bashing the other seasons, but there was a tone shift in the show. By season 7 you could definitely tell he didn't have really much influence in the show.
Season 3 and 5 are probably my favorite. I like 4 and 7 a lot too. 10/11 is where is started to go downhill for me, but I still can rewatch a lot of those episodes. The only seasons I really hated were 12-15. I really didn’t like apocalypse world. They brought back people from death too often as it was, but then they replaced half of the dead characters with clones. Seasons 14 and 15 were just boring with shit plot.
@@ronconnor2694 Yeah I thought the same and they had no idea how to writte a villain after lucifer. The only good villain twist was castiel at the end of season 6, the metatron twist in season 8 and than deanmon was also great especially the mark scenes with dean. After that villains became kind of stupid...
As sad as this scene is, I love it to death. It's just so well done. The actors (obviously), the music, the script. Everything, just adds up and makes for an amazing scene.
This is the scene that got me into Supernatural. I actually looked up the rest of this episode to see what the context was. Needless to say, I need to go back to season 1. :)
Yes, I actually think this was one of Jared Padalecki’s strong scenes too - Sam has *the* solution, this isn’t him wavering or wondering, he’s quietly somber in getting it out, fully aware of the implications.
I love that Sam and Dean were perfectly fine with themselves not existing, just so there mother could live and they could save the world. They didn’t give it a second thought. That moment, that moment when you instinctively think of others before yourself, that makes you a hero.
I absolutely love the realization and tears in her eyes when he says she would sing him 'Hey jude' she is absolutely beautiful looking. Ugh the feels with this show
The irony is that now we know that even if Mary never got pregnant, there still is an Apocalypse, and Michael and Lucifer still fight and Michael destroys the world (because that's Apocalypse world).
@@jungletrouble8296 that’s the brilliance of chuck. He wrote for the angel to transport Sam and dean back to this exact moment because had they been transported back any earlier before Mary got pregnant then she probably would’ve left John. Granted even in this time period Mary could’ve gotten an abortion but I doubt she would’ve
@@Bibiyoshika The timeline, they should be married. The episode doesn't mention it and almost implied, as if Mary was pregnant before she and John were married.
Soooooo she's pregnant with the guy who is literally standing right in front of her... and if she left John they would never be born, so there would have been no one to tell her to leave John in the first place because there would be no one to tell her that if Sam and Dean never existed... MY MIND IS BLOWN
WarGrowlmon18 technically that is one way of looking at it .. or it could just create a new timeline where Dean and Sam don't exist.. but what has happened in their timeline has happened..
Nero Ly Yes you're right, but then there wouldn't have been a reason for Dean to go back in time and tell her to leave John originally (because she wouldn't die and Dean wouldn't go back because Sam would have never existed etc.)... meaning she would stay with John and the whole cycle would explode and the world would turn into a giant paradox... yah get me? I tried to explain it best I could haha!
Dean was trying so hard to save Mary. "Stay away from the nursery, etc" . And nearly ten years later he finally gets his mom back. Hit me right in the feels when I realised this. :)
I love this show. The older episodes are the best. I think 1-8 are the best. Anyway, Jensen and Jared are two talented actors. They were born for this role.
I love 1-6. It almost felt like Kripke's presence was still there during season 6, especially in The Man Who Would Be King (awesome episode that answered so many questions we had all along that season). I liked 7 a lot too except that's the season that brought my most hated character (Charlie) to the series. I like a lot of 8, but it has some pretty crappy episodes too. The trials was a nice plot though and I liked Henry Winchester & the Men of Letters and Abaddon's introductions. Evil Crowley was also really cool that season like it was 2 seasons prior in 6. I agree that they were born for their roles.
@@ahmedhussain999 I'm sure that Jensen and Jared will find more roles in the future. I do think Jensen gave up the chance to be a lot bigger star by staying on the show though. Still, there's plenty of tv roles out there for actors with the fanbase they have. As for me, I agree that seasons 1-8 are the best. I still watch, but mostly out of loyalty to the actors and crew at this point.
Nelly Gallegos I’m not sure why didn’t call cas in that time line and he could read their memory and see himself in the future and how he is and realize he has to teleport Mary constantly in biggersons like he did with the angel tablet.
@@awesomedavid2012 you did watch the later seasons right it was revealed that has been on Earth before and shows a different vessel and that was many years before marry and John existed so who's to say he can't pick a different vessel during that time. He's done it before
I just realized this, but the relief on Dean's face when he realized his mom could be saved, even if that means he and Sam are never born is so sweet and heartbreaking at the same time 💕.
If the mum telling her son she’s pregnant with him confuses you, cheack out doctor who. Were the doctor is killed by his wife while his wife watches at the sidelines next to her parents who are pregnant with his wife.
For all the people saying she could of left John and just had Dean. She couldn't because Angels we're making them stay together. Cupid even said they loathed each other. It was a fixed relationship.
It isn't just that. In order for their plan to work, neither brother can be born. If even one brother is born, the whole fight goes ahead as planned. If neither brother is born, in theory the angels don't bother pushing ahead with their agenda.
@@jcm2606 Remember that back in s5 though none of what was said in the later seasons was planned, technically, everything that happens after Swan Song is retcon.
@@mdcbd I was just about to say that. First it was "John and Mary hated each other and we forced that relationship" then it was John and Mary are in each other's heaven because they're soul mates. The show was inconsistent with damn near everything.
@@rob3791 Yup. Though the first five seasons did have their own fair share of problems and incoherences, they did not have as many as the later seasons. (And in the light of how the series ended, I guess it's even more true to say it.)
I think they had to be related because the bloodline had to trace back to Cain & Abel. Remember what the cupid and other characters said that there were strict orders that Sam & Dean had to be born to John & Mary. What you said also makes me wonder if Azazel had some kind of power over cupids because his deal with Mary to bring John back in return for what he did to Sam happened 10 years before Sam's turned 6 months old when Azazel showed up to collect. That couldn't just be coincidence that Mary happened to have Sam precisely 10 years from when Azazel made his 10 year deal with her. He was able to possess reapers as we saw him do to Tessa, so maybe he could possess cupids as well & determine when his generations of psychic kids would be born. I hope Azazel & many others bust out of the Big Empty and we get to see more of his powers.
These type of scenes where the children get to go to the past and meet their long dead parent(s) are quite emotional and generally done really well. My favourite one is probably in the Flash season 1 finale when Barry goes back in time to save his mother but choses not to and has to sit there and get his mother killed, but gets to speak with her in her last moments...
this made me cry... how Mary cried when she heard that those were her boys...how she looked at them differently, how sweet and sad Dean's memories were... gahh....this show can kick ass, but also make you weep in the same episode...
Talk about the best TV in history. No TV show will ever replace or outdo supernatural. Especially the first seasons, that was an era of television that you cannot duplicate anymore. Not even the newer seasons of supernatural where able to duplicate it. A total bike on error of tv.
The writers didnt get enough credit for the first 5 seasons of supernatural. Im yet to see a show that balances comedy, action, mystery and heartfelt moments like these.
Next thing to know that Plan B failed and Mary still dies. I mean if by looking at the apocalypse world, Mary did leave John and ended up having no kids. Mary still dies. In the apocalypse world, Dean and Sam was never born. Mary was already cursed the minute she made a deal with Azazel.
Carry on my wayward son. There'll be peace, when you are done. Lay your wary head to rest. Don't you cry no more (I always get tears when hearing this and remembering S5 last episode).
I wonder, what if she laid devil traps and what not for Azazel the night he was supposed to come for Sam? Sure, John would know she's a hunter that night, but at the very least Sam wouldn't get demon blood and she wouldn't die the way she did. Maybe they could banish him back to hell? well, I suppose that's only a temporary solution considering in the first couple seasons they've banished a bunch of demons but they came back (Meg being one of them).
Well she did remember that she made a deal with Azazel, but she didn't remember what Dean told her about staying in her room & not coming out. She had to remember because in Home she apologized to Sam for her deal (without telling him why), so if Michael erased her entire memory about the deal so that she wouldn't remember making one at all, it would be a paradox. Mary running into Sam's room alone in the Pilot instead of getting John to go with her seemed like her hunter's instincts and like she didn't want to involve John in it like the young Mary of the 70's wanted to avoid doing.
Agreed. Mary still remembered the deal, but she didn't know what the demon would want. Maybe she was constantly on guard for it that year. When Dean watches the whole scene that one time Mary says, "its you" or something like that to the demon. My guess is she probably thought she could have handled him when she came. For all we know she had devils traps down, hidden under the floor or something, but he was smart enough to check and avoid them. I mean she could not have salted the whole house or done more without telling John. If she had told John that would have broken the illusion of her perfect life. We know now that she was still wrapping stuff up even after Dean was born, but my guess is by the time Sam came she had been fully retired. If she had done anything but maybe the minimum she'd have to tell John everything. I like Mary and think she's great but the fact is she was selfish. Rather than tell her husband the truth about the world she kept him in the dark and therefore put him and their children in danger. Not even taking the demon into consideration, I'm sure there were many things that would want revenge on a former hunter so it was only a mater of time before something came for her and her family. By not being prepared for that, by not informing her husband she put them in mortal danger. The worst part was she KNEW for a FACT that a demon would be coming to her house and she din't tell John or take any actions that we know of to protect her family. But she got to live her perfect life and have the family she always wanted, so I guess thats all that matters right? I have never seen anyone take Mary to task for her irresponsibility and it has always bothered me. She could have and should have done a lot more.
@@FJF1085 I'm not sure she or Samuel knew about devil's traps. It seemed like until Bobby taught Sam & Dean about them in his 1st appearance in the episode Devil's Trap that not many hunters knew about them. John learned a whole lot since Mary died but not even he knew about them or else he would've taught Sam & Dean about them & used them against Meg & her brother in Salvation. It's possible Samuel knew given his knowledge base in hunting, but I don't remember him or Mary using them in In The Beginning. I agree about Mary being selfish for those reasons you listed. Or if not selfish, she was at the very least deluded & fooling herself, which of course affected her family too due to their association with her, even if she wasn't intending that. It reminds me of what Sam did with Jessica exactly and what Lucifer in Jessica's form tells him in Free To Be You And Me---how she was dead the moment they met. This applies exactly to John & Mary. And just like Mary, Sam knew something was coming for Jessica from the visions he had days before she died. The big exception is that Sam beat himself up for it. Maybe Mary did the same too after she was resurrected, but we never saw it onscreen & it was in private. The only proof that she was is her apology to Sam in Home, but that apology seemed to be solely aimed at Sam for the deal & its consequences on Sam but not Dean or John as well and the damage it did to them. John was screwed either way though because if she didn't make the deal he'd remain dead after Azazel killed him. But if he knew something would be coming for his family, at least the blame on Mary wouldn't be there. I'm sure she would've still died or something else bad would've happened because in the end Michael knew it would go down like that and he wanted it to. It was his will, not God's or anyone else's as he said in this very episode. It was all following a perfect plan that Michael himself set in motion when God first left & he took control of "city hall" as he called it. Michael made it seem like it was God's will and that he was loyal, but that was just to save face and prevent rebellion throughout Heaven & all angels. Season 4 brought up the question of whose will was it if not God's in On The Head Of A Pin when the torture of Alastair was ordered by Heaven and over the end of the season we found out that the highest level angels were calling the shots, not God. At first Zachariah was the face of city hall as we saw in Lucifer Rising, but in season 5 as we learned of Michael and how he was above all angels and archangels, it is undoubtedly him and he was the one who also wiped Mary's & John's memories clean. I did some thinking and realized that after cupids (lower level angels) were revealed to create/maintain bloodlines & spawn children, it's a sign that Michael was in league with Azazel in some way because the children of Azazel's deals couldn't be born without Michael's permission. It was his cupids who received orders from him to cause the psychic children of Azazel's deals to be born exactly 10 years after the deals were made. Whether Azazel met with Michael prior to that happening or Michael not consorting directly with Azazel but being aware of his deals and allowing them to happen is unknown, but regardless the cupids would no way allow those children to be born without Michael's approval. It shows you how unnatural the natural order was when Michael was the #1 being in charge. I have no doubt he was responsible for the sealing of Death prior to his release in Abandon All Hope, and once that happened all the reapers began to work for him. The Fate Sisters worked for him & every angel did as well other than maybe some who were Lucifer loyalists, but Michael & those loyalists both wanted Lucifer freed. It was no surprise that God & Death both had a hand in the caging of Michael & Lucifer in Swan Song. That's why this current plan with God seemingly being made to be the villain in season 15 (the final season) is just so ridiculously stupid. Andrew Dabb & the writing staff are morons who just want a flashy final villain & could care less how much damage they do to the series' canon & making every other villain of the show just puppets and as a result victims themselves. Kripke set it up perfectly and these clowns have destroyed this once magnificent show. I can only hope it's a ruse and there is a big twist coming or else I seriously hope Kripke returns and turns the last several seasons non-canon and wraps up the show with 1 or 2 more of his own seasons.
How fun that 12 years later, everyone involved with the show decided to change this moment so that it never happened and that their Dad was also a hunter.
This scene right here explains the reason why the Winchesters TV series continuity makes absolutely no sense. John didn't become a hunter until Mary died.
I might show this scene to my niece. She's incredibly stubborn with this show for some reason. Me, her mom and her oldest daughter have tried to get her to watch it.
To the people saying that they could have just had Dean and not Sam, there still would have been a 50/50 chance they would have Sam. He was an accidental baby, so it could have happened, or couldn't have.
Saurabh Adhikari What do you mean by saying that Azazel came for Sam because he was Mary's kid and not for Dean because he's Mary's and John's kid? isn't Sam John's kid? explain please
He made the deal with Mary, not John. So if Mary had another kid with someone else, he would come for that kid. But it didn't matter because Michael's plan was for both Dean & Sam to be born and he was going to ensure that happened no matter what. Michael used humans as his pawns for 1000's of years and took control of what had once been the natural order and made it Michael's order when all the angels, reapers, Fate Sisters, etc worked for him (reapers didn't get their true boss back until Lucifer freed Death but even then Death was doing Lucifer's bidding). He made sure the Winchesters were born and made sure that Azazel killed Mary no matter what. When he finally returns, they need to address that very badly because what he did to humans was similar to what Lucifer did with the demons he had Azazel surround Sam's life with as seen in that scene in Swan Song. Sam was going to be born one way or the other because he was the key in freeing Lucifer and part of the relationship that Dean, Michael's true vessel, needed to get him to his destiny of being his vessel, though that never happened. But the relationship between Sam & Dean is what freed Lucifer. One without the other wouldn't have done it, both Dean & Sam needed to be born and become hunters after their mother died and go through all the experiences they did to end up freeing Lucifer for Michael to fight. Dean broke the 1st seal by going to hell for making the deal that brought Sam back from the dead and Sam broke the last seal. If Michael only needed Dean, then he wouldn't have cared had history been changed so that Sam was never born, but that wasn't the case. Sam was needed just as much, which is why the angels trapped Dean in that room and prevented him from getting to Sam in time to stop him from killing Lilith in Lucifer Rising.
I meant within the 10 years of the deal that she had with Azazel. Ketch was way too young at that time if he was even born yet (I don't know how much older/younger Ketch is compared to Sam). If Mary retained her memories of what Sam & Dean told her & left John, I doubt she would've had another kid considering what they told her. If she did, it would probably have been with a hunter she met between 1973-1983. I think if she skipped out on her deal by not having a kid for him to feed demon blood to, Azazel would probably have killed her outright once he found her. And whatever kid she did have if she left John would've ended up being found by Azazel regardless.
Well technically Mary is 64 years old since she was born in 1954 and then got resurrected at the physical age she was when she died in 1983 but her spirit has been around on Earth and after the events of Home in Heaven for all this time until the Darkness resurrected her in 2016. Ketch is born in 1974, so that would make him 5 years older than Dean (like an older brother). So Ketch is 44 while Dean is 39 & Sam is 35. Mary pretty much is a MILF to him because her body's age is much younger than her actual (spirit's) age due to having been dead & then resurrected 33 years later at the same physical age at which she died. If Mary did leave John, which would only happen had she retained the knowledge that Dean & Sam from the season 5 era (2009 or 2010 I think?) told her (which means Michael wouldn't have erased her memories), I don't think she would replace him with anyone else. Or perhaps she would since hunters tend to get lonely and shack up with other hunters in certain circumstances. So if anyone, it would be a random hunter she met. Maybe Bobby if he was already a hunter by then (which means after his wife died, they never gave us the year of when his wife died). What I'm wondering is how all the people who made deals with Azazel had kids exactly 10 years after making their deals with him. Did he have some power over cupids/cherubim? Or even worse, did he have an arrangement with Michael? I know Michael wanted Azazel to do what he did because Michael wanted Lucifer freed and could've stopped Azazel or any of the other demons anytime he wanted but didn't. But did Michael simply just let Azazel do what he wanted or did he take the extra step and actually conspire with him? At the very least it seems like Michael ordered the cupids to make sure Azazel's deals were followed up properly with the births of the children at the appropriate times. Azazel was probably strong enough to force them to do what he wanted or maybe even possess them like he possessed Tessa the reaper.
My Goodness!!! This episodes BREAKS me Every Time. it is perpetually saved on my DVR until the darn thing is no more. Such a great show. Seriously underrated. One of the best cast and best acting I've seen, and I'm a tv-holic. Please keep em coming.
why would she be to young? she died about 5 years after this point in time and the actress is now 8 years older than she was in this clip. so unless you think they age in heaven, this actress would have the perfect age to play their mother.
@Gina She is pregnant with Dean in this scene. Dean is 4 years old than Sam. She dies when Sam is 6 months old. Which means she dies 5 years from now. This was in season 5 , she returned in season 12. that means the actress in this clip is 7 years older. Tell me , why wouldn't she look the way she was supposed to if this actress aged 7 years and this Mary died 5 years from now?
@@bluesbr0ther588 I know but the original person is NOT HER its the other Mary from the fire, Amara brought the one that died in the fire not the one from here
Amazing scene, will never forget it. Great acting as well. Plus, it's one of the things that usually never happens, when one knows something big that should be told and doesn't. This show takes the next step as always, good job!
This awkward moment when you realize that your mother is pregnant with you, and this time at the age of 32 you are standing in front of her. That’s why i love Supernatural
This is one of my favorite episodes. But I've always wished John was eavesdropping on this scene. Even if he forgot all of it later, it would have been so great to have him in the know for a little while. 😔
A Grown man crys at powerful drama . This is indeed a tribute to great acting and great writting . Wish I could find the part where dean realises his moms a hunter for the first time . I'm still looking .
