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11. Who Makes the Rules? Abortion: Law, Metaphysics, and Moral Neutrality [Ethics at the Edge...] 

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Scott Klusendorf presents part 11 of the series "Ethics at the Edge of Life: Clear Christian Thinking on the Most Troubling Bio-Ethical Issues"
Advances in medical procedures, technologies, and drugs have made issues of life and death more and more complicated. As Christians, because we care deeply about life and death issues, we are often tagged as people who are standing against progress and the relief of suffering. Hence, we need help from experts to understand what is really going on in modern medicine and how to make a persuasive case in the public square for the Biblical views. Christian experts on bioethics, Dr. Scott Rae and Scott Klusendorf, help us understand and defend the biblical position on the most difficult subjects: abortion, euthanasia, reproductive technology, and more.

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@juandomingoquirozmendez3246
Has this Professor published academic work? Wanna read it
@railroadtrash09
@railroadtrash09 5 лет назад
If the essence of the argument boils down to "when" a human becomes a human, why bring religion into it? If you make this about religion, you shut all the doors to rational discussion...
@gristly_knuckle
@gristly_knuckle 3 года назад
As one who paid a large price for being most apparently full of stool, what reason do his opponents have for agreeing with him in attitude, even if they agree with his conclusions? Thus, what conclusions his opponents derive and what arguments they make have no reasonable disagreement with him but have total contrast in contingent outcome. Reason is not a solution here.
@joanofarc33
@joanofarc33 9 лет назад
Actually the pro abortion crowd isn't trying to impose their views on christians. They are saying each one is free to choose which means all those who find abortion offensive do not have to choose to have or condone an abortion, those who disagree are free to make their own personal decisions.
@raikkonen85
@raikkonen85 8 лет назад
joanofarc33 yes. I'm free to own a slave. Don't like it, then don't own one
@tysonhawk5437
@tysonhawk5437 5 лет назад
Terrible argument. To say, "each one is free to choose" is imposing YOUR morality on the pro-life crowd. I could say, "walking up to a guy on the street and shooting him in the head isn't something I would do, but who am I to stop someone else from doing that?" To take a position of indifference at something that is immoral isn't an option. The rub of the issue is that you don't believe the unborn qualify as human.
@joanofarc33
@joanofarc33 9 лет назад
Mildred Hanson, M.D. A featured speaker at several congressional briefings on abortion, Hanson spent 30 years as the medical director of what was then Planned Parenthood of Minnesota and South Dakota. Today, she oversees her own Minnesota clinic, where, at the age of 82, she provides abortions to women from Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wisconsin. "In 1935, when I was 11 years old, my mother left our Wisconsin house on a bitter February night and dashed to the farm next door to help an ailing woman who'd had an illegal abortion. Our neighbor was writhing in pain so severe that she was having convulsions and was chewing her lip raw. It took her two days to die of blood poisoning. She left six children behind - and left me with firsthand knowledge of the injustice of illegal abortion. "Fresh out of medical school in 1959, I developed a reputation for being the only doctor in this region who would treat women with bleeding, lacerations, and other complications stemming from back-alley procedures. Illegal abortionists would refer their clients to me in the event of complications. In addition to helping these patients, I offered legal abortions to women within the hospital system, which sanctioned the procedure if it was deemed medically necessary. I coached these women on how to get approval. 'Tell hospital officials you are destitute,' I said. 'Tell them you are devastated and will commit suicide if you can't terminate this pregnancy.' If Roe v. Wade were overturned today and if medical exceptions were still allowed, I would tell my patients the same things all over again. For the first time in my life, I would also perform illegal abortions. I didn't do so before Roe v. Wade because I was a divorced mother with four children to support. But today I have nothing to lose and believe reproductive rights are so important that I'm willing to risk whatever legal action or prison time I might face."
@BreakPointSC
@BreakPointSC 10 лет назад
The foundation of this whole argument relies upon rights by virtue of humanity but why is simply being human significant? The significance of human life rests upon our relative intelligence to other forms of life. Many would not question the termination of animal life in similar circumstances, however if a lifeform of similar intellectual capacity as humans existed (the defining factors of intelligent life are again arguable), many would consider it unethical to terminate in the case of abortion. In this line of argument, human life itself is not of significance. Personhood and what defines a 'person' is of significance here.
@pirbird14
@pirbird14 9 лет назад
He's committing an equivocation fallacy. He is treating "human" and "human being" as though they are always interchangeable. They are not My gut is human - it's not a pig's gut or a caterpillar's gut or an octopus's gut. It's human. 1. It's living. It is not dead tissue. 2. It has independence in the form of homeostasis. 3. It also has a primitive brain. At least it has neurons. I don't know if they function as a brain. But this does not mean it's a human being. He is also misrepresenting what science says about the fetus being "a whole entity". It is a unique organism. But it is not a whole human being. In the first few weeks after fertilization, it lacks organs of any kind. It doesn't begin to grow a brain - doesn't even have neurons like the human gut - and doesn't begin to grow a cerebral cortex until week 24. In the first two weeks after fertilization, each and every cell in the morula or blastocyst has the capacity to grow into a separate human being. Since the morula has 8 cells, it is a collection of "whole entities" according to this guy's logic. I love it when these clowns try to use science - cause they're always wrong.
@BreakPointSC
@BreakPointSC 9 лет назад
pirbird14 preachers gonna preach lmao
@GEIxBattleRifle
@GEIxBattleRifle 8 лет назад
''It is a unique organism'' Please, enlighten us as to the species of organism a fetus is, too, for every organism has a species designation, including the fetus in the woman's uterus. So, could you please tell us all what species it is? We know btw, that level of development doesn't determine what species a organism belongs to since we recognize newborns are humans like adults are despite the fact they're less developed then adults.
@pirbird14
@pirbird14 8 лет назад
Seth Jordan You're awefully hung up on the question of what species the organism belongs to. Why, exactly? How does 'belonging to a species" equate to "being a fully formed individual of that species?" Please enlighten us. Oh, and the newborn is a human being precisely because it has developed into one, having acquired a cerebral cortex which begins functioning after birth. Level of development is indeed the defining characteristic.Why on earth would you imagine it isn't?
@GEIxBattleRifle
@GEIxBattleRifle 8 лет назад
pirbird14 ''You're awefully hung up on the question of what species the organism belongs to.'' Not really. I'm mostly interested in the philosophy but you can't really debate that if you don't even know what something is that we're debating should be allowed to live or die. '' How does 'belonging to a species" equate to "being a fully formed individual of that species?" Belonging to a species means you're a member of that species. The fact the unborn are ''less formed'' aka less developed then the rest of us, doesn't disqualify it's species membership since level of development doesn't determine that. You know that to be true, because infants are humans despite being less developed then teenagers and adults. Everyone recognizes this. ''and the newborn is a human being precisely because it has developed into one'' The newborn is a human precisely because it's a organism and has human DNA. DNA and the status of being a organism are used to determine if something is a member of a species or not. Again level of development doesn't determine that. ''Level of development is indeed the defining characteristic'' To determine personhood I would agree. But species membership? Not at all.
@dubbelkastrull
@dubbelkastrull 2 года назад
30:20 interesting point about the 14th amendment.
@JonathanB1984
@JonathanB1984 13 лет назад
@fearthespear34x And upon reading the rest of the title you realized there was no need to question him, since his thinking was lucid and correct.
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