ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gOdOGKux2CE.html This shows how it works. The pins not only have to match up with the sheerline, they also have to be turned in the right direction so that the sidebar can retract and allow it to turn.
Other lock companies: "Let's use the same design for our best locks and put a new sticker on it" Medeco: "Let's design a lock with rotating pins and a secret lever just for snack machines."
@Adymn Sani Think about it though... Picking a police gun lock could deliver a couple years in prison or even lead straight to the head very quickly, who would attempt that? Seeing that lonely snack machine in the street though... you know, when you're starving and you want to empty it out completely :D
At 70 seconds, this is one of the longest picks I've seen him do, and it was only a four-pin lock. Not only that, you have to know the secret trick lever. I suspect in practice this locked doesn't get picked much in the field.
@@cuthbertallgood7781 I think in the field, they'd just destroy it. They can find out about the trick lever online, but there's nothing they can do about the angled pins - that just takes pure skill to be able to feel those out and place those angles precisely.
@@davidoshea381 My mother had a commercial medeco lock on her front door. You'd need a shotgun with slugs to breach it. Her locksmith wasn't screwing around. Don't lose your keys! If I felt I needed a pick-resistant lock I wouldn't hesitate to get a medeco core. As it is you can open my front door with a size 12 shoe so yeah the lock is good enough.
My thoughts exactly! Like he said though, you need to know how this type of locks work in order to pick it in such a short time. A secret lever and pins having to be moved at an angle are something only experienced pickers would be able to handle without panicking
Yeah that pretty much sums up our corrupt country. Can we get some chips? No. Can we shoot each other? Of course. Just don't shoot us your kind masters.
Some vending machines can be _really_ profitable depending on their content and location. Of course their owner would put the best lock they could afford (on their profit margin) on them. It's not about a bag of doritos. It's about money worth of, like, 500 doritos bags per week. Largely without employed labor problem.
@@rusdanibudiwicaksono1879 such a lame that this "business" can't be charged for a good tax and then this tax could be used to give poorer people good locks...
The 10 minute mark takes into consideration a novice lockpicker, not someone who's as experienced as LPL. Considering it took him over a minute to pick this particular one I'd say it's actually pretty good.
The M3 is one of the weaker Medeco locks. Their top notch stuff truly qualifies as "high security. That being said, I've been picking on-and-off for a few years, and I have gotten *exactly* no-where with my own 5 pin M3....
Medeco locks are no joke. To say that it takes an experienced picker is an understatement. Most people can't open them at all, let alone quickly. Bosnian Bill had to practice so much that he nearly ground the pins inside a Medeco lock to dust before he could open them reliably.
@@lockpickinglawyer i'm still extremely impressed. Your videos got me into the locksport hobby. Thanks and much love LPL! Currently working on a paclock 410 pro, hoping to get an open this week!
At my place of employment they use a 7 pin meddeco cylinder on all doors and padlocks (apart from several magnetically locked exit doors.) I’ve actually not seen a meddeco key So small.
"Mam, what's that geezer at the gumball machine doing?" "He's probably just getting a gumball for his kid jimmy." _Meanwhile at the gumball machine_ *"Nothing on 2, click out of 3, a little movement on 4"*
It's probably significantly more difficult outside on a vending machine. But if that isn't the most impressive thing I've seen. Maglocking my all my doors from now on 😄.
@@thehighprotondiet3127 even if he has it would probably not take 10 minutes on different one as pickers normally pick up what the a correct gate/set pin feels like so key pattern /rotation could change and still get a fast open
Use clear tape, long strip, make the ends connect a little more than half the bill, make sure tape is flat on both sides of the dollar feed into machine wait for it to credit u a dollar, quickly but gently pull the excess tape to retrieve ur dollar and repeat, enjoy ur free snacks on a skateboarder budget
We use Medeco locks for all our air machine/vacuums, they are really good for the application. One Air Machine/Vacuum combination unit used 3 Medeco 8958-1 Threaded Screw Locks just for the door and two 8958-2 locks for the interior boxes. I wish I could watch you field test something like that, a real world example of your picking skills. You'd probably have it open in ten minutes flat.
I spent 10 years of my working life carrying a Medeco GGMK in my pocket that would open any lock in any of my company's buildings in 5 states. At the time, I was under the impression that Medeco locks were difficult to pick. Thank you, LPL, for delightfully smashing that misconception! This was awesome to see. :)
I just want to say, after watching your videos for a couple months, even binging sessions. I just picked up my first set of lockpicks and trainer lock. You're a great inspiration.
Oh Cripes! Defence Trial lawyer from New Zealand here. If you could be a prosecutor unpicking my clients' defences then you would be the highest paying lawyer in NZ history.
It's not like you can't get ASSA/Abloy/Medeco locks in the US. It's just that Americans seem to think that $150-200 per cylinder is too expensive... So they get a Kwikset for $25.
glad to have the vote of confidence, since a business I'm connected with uses them. sadly, we've lost more money replacing locks people tried to drill than we've lost out of coin boxes.
Buy locks from the bowley lock company. He as reviewed them and they are 100% unpick-able. I think he prefers focusing on exposing blatant flaws on common lock because reviewing any "decent" lock is sorta pointless now knowing in the back of his mind there is a perfect unpick-able option out there. I have to say I really miss seeing him taking on the higher end EU cylinder.
In his bio he said "no lock recomendations", because as a lawyer he understand the liability if he recommended a lock that failed at securing something
He has recommended locks in the past. Check out any of his series on Paclocks (particularly this one) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7eOt2mHEAOM.html Otherwise, you could do a lot worse than checking out DeviantOllam's series on quality locks over here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pwkeSzbsLsU.html Finally, if you're setting up locks for your home, you could always get some locks (and modify them so) that even LPL says are unpickable. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7JlgKCUqzA0.html
Its amazing how informative this is because its also entertaining. I have a medeco lock on our shop door, my little brother looks at my key chain and immediately knew I had a medco key because of the angled biting on the key and only because he has watched your videos.
I have a 5 pin M3 that I have at least 50 hours on... let's just put it this way: People SERIOUSLY underestimate how good LPL is. He must have the most sensitive fingers on the entire planet or some shit.
@@andersjjensen, Basically... Pick a Medeco lock as even highly skilled pickers won't have easy time with their most basic models, even less if it's 5 or more pins
@@andersjjensen, he has skills and quite a capacity for that then.... How weak is the vibration on the pick when picking the pin? Just curious to know that
For those that wonder why "a snack machine has so high security" - no its not for the snacks, but because these machines contain money, especially those with bill validators, and machines could go unmonitored for a very long time. Cash theft, even by authorized people, is very common, why some locks are electronic and have logging capabilities. Nowadays, they mostly use cashless systems either with credit card, or a internal "token" (RFID) you have to swipe against a reader, or a electronic "key" that is charged with money at a charging station - is inserted. Thus they have, on vending machines, started to go back to the simple "ASSA" lock with almost no pick security at all. Since theres no money to steal. Same with P-meters. They usually only take electronic payment now, and thus they have gone back to a very simple "ASSA" lock just for a simple anti-tamper. The actual credit card reader however have both anti-tamper seals and electronic anti-tamper too.
It's basically thousands of items per week on really good locations. A bag of doritos didn't valued much, but at 500 bags of doritos per week, well, it adds up.
Nod to Medeco for the pick resistance on this one. Seeing LPL pick other 4 pin locks in mere seconds if not raked, this one still took him some time. I imagine this is out of reach for amateur and intermediate pickers. Nice video!
I'd love to see you take this one apart if you can. Seems like there are some interesting features inside. I'd love to get a better understanding of how the "set and rotate" feature works as jt's a little difficult to understand just from looking at the key. Great video, as usual!
I have had to replace a ton of these at my old job and sparrows sandman pic blows threw these in seconds. Its the only pick/rake that worked on these for us when the keys were lost
I own some vending machines and the only time they have been broken into, a brick was thrown through the display glass for them to get in. It would be cheaper for me if they had picked the lock. Remember, locks keep out honest people.
Thanks for the content 👍 Your videos have inspired me to pick up the skill as I frequently get asked to help open cars when people lock their keys in. A couple of times neighbors kid's were locked out while parents were at work as well. On residential locks, do you have any plans to create a recommended locks video or video series? I didn't see anything targeted in the Playlist or anything recent on your videos. Edit, BTW I helped the police department get into one of their squad cars at Dennys a few months ago, I had almost forgotten. 🤣
So what I've learned from this channel about the USA:. Want to steal a gun? No problem.have you got a bent paperclip.. Want to steal a can of coke? You'll need years of lock picking training
I am a small vending machine operator, a side business. My machines have the traditional cylinder key lock. I have periodically gotten calls from site location that a machine was found open. I thought I was going crazy, but it can't be that I don't know how to properly re-engage a lock after a fill call to one of my machines, and check that it is actually locked. So i have seen now on YT that cylinder locks are not all that hard to pick with a cheap device. And even these better, standard key Medico locks can be defeated. It's frustrating. If they are not opening the machine, they are using coat hanger contraptions to steal product by dislodging it from the coils.....
Don't be lulled into a false sense of "meh" by the speed in which LPL picked this. It is *much* more complicated than he showed here, and remember, his skill is off the charts. It's pretty amazing how that rotating pins key works. In conjunction with the side-bar inside, the key pins are actually like little tiny single-disc disc-detainer locks. Each pin is one tiny (but very "thick/long" disc. Each pin has one true "gate" for the side bar, and some have one or more false gates you can fall into with the wrong key, or not rotating the pin far enough or too far. Each pin also has its own backstop on the opposite side to prevent over-rotation, which would possibly seize the lock semi-permanently if the wrong key were inserted. In short, be amazed he can pick this. Few people can, and Medeco didn't get that lock rating by accident.
This is interesting as I have to fill vending machines at my job. All of the ones I fill have the types of locks that use the cylindrical-shaped keys, I’ve saw many of them broken into with a drill. I have noticed a few newer ones with a little ball in the center of the core, which I assume is to deter drill attacks.
Wow. I have a 6 pin mortise cylinder with the M3 core, and I've been learning to pick it for the last year. I've just started to consistently open it, but suffice it to say, I'm not under that 10 minute benchmark, not by a long shot (though there is some drill damage on the face, so perhaps that's contributing to the difficulty). I'm gonna see if I can get my time down, but I would love to send it your way if you're interested.
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