126. Debiasing: How to Change Your Mind | THUNK

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Critical thinking is well and good, but it only really helps if you’re willing & able to change your mind!
Links for the Curious
Giving Debiasing Away: Can Psychological Research on Correcting Cognitive Errors Promote Human Welfare? (Lilienfeld et al, 2009) - www3.nd.edu/~ghaeffel/Lilienf...
Debiasing (Larrick, 2004) - psych.colorado.edu/~vanboven/t...
A User’s Guide to Debiasing (Soll et al, 2013) - opim.wharton.upenn.edu/~kmilkm...
The Polarizing Impact of Science Literacy and Numeracy on Perceived Climate Change Risks (Braman et al, 2012) - scholarship.law.gwu.edu/cgi/vi...
Considering the opposite: a corrective strategy for social judgment (Lord et al, 1984) - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6...
Overcoming Intuition: Metacognitive Difficulty Activates Analytic Reasoning (Alter et al, 2007) - pdfs.semanticscholar.org/526d...
The Foreign-Language Effect: Thinking in a Foreign Tongue Reduces Decision Biases (Keysar et al, 2012) - mdl.uchicago.edu/sites/keysarl...
Neural correlates of maintaining one’s political beliefs in the face of counterevidence (Kaplan et al, 2016) - www.nature.com/articles/srep3...
Evaluating the Effectiveness of the PreMortem Technique on Plan Confidence (Veinott et al, 2010) - idl.iscram.org/files/veinott/2...
A Scientist-Practitioner Model of Psychological Assessment: Implications for Training, Practice and Research (Spengler et al, 1995) - journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/1...
The effects of perspective-taking on prejudice: the moderating role of self-evaluation (Galinsky & Ku, 2004) - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...
Debiasing Decisions: Improved Decision Making With a Single Training Intervention (Morwedge et al, 2015) - careymorewedge.com/papers/More...
LessWrong, an online community & blog archive for fans of debiasing & rationality - lesswrong.com/
The Center for Applied Rationality - rationality.org/
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@talrefae97 6 лет назад

By far the most underrated show on RU-vid. Thanks for the quality content, Josh!

@THUNKShow 6 лет назад

Thank *you* for being my... imgur.com/a/WiI59

@talrefae97 6 лет назад

Simply amazing photoshop skills

@Fiddling_while_Rome_burns 6 лет назад

I am guilty of cognitive bias, as a rule I take Thunk videos much more seriously than I do pewdiepie's. I must debias my mind.

@THUNKShow 6 лет назад

I'm...not sure how to take this...

@freerovingbovine 4 года назад

“Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions.” ― David Hume

@THUNKShow 4 года назад

"God I'm so drunk right now." -- Also David Hume ;)

@justthecoolestdudeyo9446 6 лет назад

One thing I thought was interesting was about how more intelligent people tend to change their mind less. While some of that is probably because more intelligent people are more likely to be initially correct in their assessment of something, I think it is a good wake-up call that just because you think you're smarter than someone doesn't mean their points don't have validity, or that you must be much more correct about them. I'm a bit of a dumbass, but I also know that I put blinders on if reading a comment online that I strongly disagree with or my family brings up politics or religion, and it's hard to take them down

@THUNKShow 6 лет назад

Very insightful point! The problem with "intelligent people are more often right" is that they often disagree with each other, which (probably) means that at least one of them is wrong. Some of the other posited mechanisms for this phenomenon include: -Knowing more things makes new information less valuable relative to your existing body of knowledge -Being less intelligent makes you more likely to trust incoming information as stemming from a credible authority Of course, I didn't explicitly mention the instances where super-smart people (e.g. Linus Pauling) become totally convinced of something wrong (e.g. megadoses of Vitamin C as a cureall), but that definitely happens. Politics seems to be particularly bad at ruining our ability to be openminded & objective. I'm guilty of "blinders," same as you, but I comfort myself with the thought that I'm really actively trying to be better. :)

@AmaranthOriginal 6 лет назад

Being intelligent often means you have better tools to rationalise. Especially if you have the benefit of an advanced education, but not necessarily exclusively so.

@TPGNATURAL 6 лет назад

I agree

@MetsuryuVids 6 лет назад

That wrench comparison was perfection.

@THUNKShow 6 лет назад

/bashes skull against keyboard to type I was quite happy with it. ^.^

@yan_man23 6 лет назад

I just discovered this channel, and I believe these videos would be very beneficial to me as I go through my epistemology class. Thanks for the uploads!

@barutaji 6 лет назад

Your channel is awesomeness puryrified and cristalized

@SuperLLL 6 лет назад

Great video, as usual. It's great that you are covering biases in multiple videos, they are definitely worth it. I really like the idea of a debiasing toolkit to try and prevent some of them. Personally, I find myself to be more prone to anchoring my beliefs whenever I don't know a topic extensively, whereas my opinion becomes more nuanced as I become familiar with the subject matter at hand. I do think that understanding the topic requires System 2 thinking and critical reasoning: at the same time, however, it appears that one might leave some islands of bias that become rooted into otherwise correctly-understood topics.

@somecuriosities 6 лет назад

I know it sounds simple but being mindful you have biases and that you are likely to fall back on these biases when feel attacked/threatened when someone challenges your beliefs is, in of itself, a good way to put the brakes on any knee-jerk reaction caused by your beliefs.

@sirskinny 6 лет назад

I recently got a list of cognitive biases, the idea is im going to work through them and learn about as many as possible so i can pick situations where they might come into play and head my brain off at the pass

@THUNKShow 6 лет назад

Whoof, you've got your work cut out for you (there are hundreds!), but if you check out the top paper linked in the description, there's a brief passage about how studying cognitive biases actually *does* have some mitigating effect on them! Go for it!

@_Aarius_ 6 лет назад

notification squad :D good vid. personally know i need to bee more careful with this shit when i argue online. ...

@THUNKShow 6 лет назад

You and me both, dude. imgur.com/a/p450l

@Concentrum 6 лет назад

great video, thanks for keeping them coming!

@THUNKShow 6 лет назад

Thank *you!*

@IanMacLeansnv 6 лет назад

Great episode. So let's have a shout out for the writers of Star Trek, TOS. Because Spock trained a lot of this into me, and I like to think I'm already there. (And yes, I'm open to being proved wrong). Characters like Spock are INCREDIBLY valuable to society, and we need more of them.

@AmaranthOriginal 6 лет назад

It's interesting to me that I suffer from PTSD, and some of these debiasing techniques resemble steps my therapist puts me through to cope with it (along with more general anxiety issues).

@THUNKShow 6 лет назад

There's a lot of shared DNA with CBT, AFAIK. (BBQ.) Interesting observation!

@TPGNATURAL 6 лет назад

I belong to 2 trauma groups and one of the things I say is that PTSD is apart of who I am. I have learned over the years how my faulty thinking and my emotions do intensify my anxiety. So I have and do stay as aware as I can concerning my emotional regulation and distress tolerance. I also do the best I can staying in my wise mind. That is when the rational mind and emotional mind overlap each other. Everyday I work on my thinking, emotions and physical behaviors. I believe it is Jonathan Haidt who says our rational mind is the rider on the elephant ( emotions).

@isablondethng 6 лет назад

I think a lot of de-biasing might be what we call becoming wise over becoming smart. Not the only definition of wise by any means, but I think it certainly fits under the umbrella of it. There are still a ton of biases that I grapple with (and after living in a different country for a good chunk of time, I found myself having to actively battle NEW ones-despite the foreign language effect mentioned in one of your links above), but I have noticed things or rules that I have set up for myself the older I get. Things that are similar in spirit to the not going to the grocery store hungry, in order to reduce the chance of making decisions that I would regret or disagree with later. This is a great path toward self-improvement, and I'd give them all a shot. I'm quite the arguer sometimes (though I like to think I've gotten better-and I'd like to think I keep trying to get better), so this is something that's quite important to me.

@drpetersellers 6 лет назад

Great episode!

@THUNKShow 6 лет назад

Thanks! :D

@sandeepvk 6 лет назад

Amazing channel. You are taking a cue from slaw and fast thinking by Daniel Kahneman

@THUNKShow 6 лет назад

Thank you, I'm glad you like it! And yes, TF&S is one of my go-to sources for a lot of my arguments. :)

@arthurs1573 3 года назад

Hey ! I like your videos so much, they are helping me to finish my proseminar! Do you also have some videos about Debiasing Trainings or some sources? thank you !

@THUNKShow 3 года назад

Wow, glad to hear it! Yes, there are some papers linked in the video description that I referenced making this video - be sure to check them out!

@wbeaty 6 лет назад

Ooo, ooo, I can pass your vid on to all the people on tech forums ...WHO ARE WRONG!!! :)

@THUNKShow 6 лет назад

You could pass it on to the ones who are right, too... ;)

@deanrobinson2459 6 лет назад

Galinsky & Ku, 2004 link not working. Great vid.

@aBigBadWolf 6 лет назад

Josh, do you have Patreon? I'm a student but I'd like to support you with a little of the little I have :)

@CosmoShidan 6 лет назад

Any chance you might explore Sextus Empiricus, Pyrhonianism and the Gettier problems?

@THUNKShow 6 лет назад

I covered the first two waaaaay back in the Hat Days (dark times that they were). They might be due for a refresh. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Y78EScMnTsk.html I haven't covered Gettier explicitly yet, but it's definitely on the list. I was thinking of launching into a "truth-tracking" epistemological thing here, but the dern episode is already too dern long!!

@CosmoShidan 6 лет назад

Thanks Thunk! Hope to see Gettier soon! Gettier is a lot of fun! :)

@chiar0scur0 6 лет назад

I'm trying to do a case-study of a few people on a college campus who believe that violent recourse for political beliefs is justifiable. Being on a college campus, most of the people I expect to interview will be "Punch a nazi" types rather than their (often more lethal) right wing equivalents. I am somewhat strongly committed to the idea that justifying political violence is a quick road to widespread destabilization and killing. How might I go about making my interviewees comfortable espousing their vitriolic beliefs in such a way that I can study and understand the system by which one comes to justify political violence?

@FlabbyPigLegs 6 лет назад

Connor Healy give them blankets

@THUNKShow 6 лет назад

Well, just because it's this video, I have to ask: Have you considered that maybe justifying political violence *isn't* etc.? ;) If you just want to hear your interviewees espouse "vitriolic" beliefs, it's probably easiest to go the opposite direction & fire up their argumentative engines by trying to poke holes in their arguments. This will likely have the side-effect of polarizing them to a more entrenched extreme, but I'd imagine you'd get an earful and a half of the rationale they use to arrive at that conclusion! Also, I don't know if you've seen it yet, but I did an episode on this topic a while back that might bring a different viewpoint? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-whX5P7V-H78.html

@Fiddling_while_Rome_burns 6 лет назад

Have you considered your case is a false dichotomy and violence isn't either right or wrong. Instead sometimes it's right, some times it's wrong and always to varying degrees. And by tasking one pole of a the dichotomy your own thinking isn't much different than people that take the opposite pole of the dichotomy.

@storyteller3133 6 лет назад

How do you debias about debias

@ran88dom99 6 лет назад

Tell the person defend each side for points or something. Pretend each side is right for a while.

@fringefringe7282 3 года назад

Are you sure they are "beyond our conscious control"? Isn't it just about acknowledging other side arguments and thinking them through?

@THUNKShow 3 года назад

Cognitive biases apply at every level of cognition - it's not just a "if you're not careful" thing. Carefully thinking things thru may disabuse someone of naively incorrect judgments, but even after mulling it over carefully, you're still processing that information thru a distorted lens.

@fringefringe7282 3 года назад

@@THUNKShow There is something wrong with this argumentation. You say that biases apply to everyone (to me also? how do you know? you don't know me. this seems to be an example of inductive reasoning). Also humans have methods to disarm those biases and they are called "scientific method". Also if there exists something called bias, this would mean that there is an objective truth and being biased is skewing from this objective truth. Postmodernists don't believe in objective truth, everyone is entitled to their own view of the world so bias doesn't apply. Also if objective truth exists are we able to experience it? There are also debates on that front. Yet another thing is, how bias does apply when 2 people talk in 2 different value systems, ie. Utilitarian vs. Christian values? Is there one ultimate value system that is a reference point and proponents of others are biased? If not, then how does one distinguish biased view from non-biased? This whole bias concept is unclear to me.

@FlabbyPigLegs 6 лет назад

Bear shaming lololoooo

@EngineerNick 6 лет назад

Whoa now, Mac vs PC is serious. My position is that they are both greedy and awful and it just took longer for PC to get cynical about its users like Mac. Back in the day; Mac was like a french Maître D'; you'll show respect and politely order whats on the menu and pay out your nose for it. Microsoft was the corner-shop sandwich bar that would make any sandwich you asked for and it would be huge and surprisingly cheap and tasty just how you wanted it. Now: Its a race to the bottom... who can take away the most control from the users first... who can insert their useless personal assistant, search engine, store erggh. Desktop computing is headed for a bad place.