Paul I love the reflection on the I/O plate, gives me chuckle every time, I hope that is genuine excitement over the new tech? If not it's still amusing, thanks for the content as always!
4:46 I found one seller on amazon asking over $500 for i5-12600K so i asked a question through amazon and that seller is not listing the i5 anymore. Feels good man, hate scammers !
It's not an scammer, if someone decides to want to pay more than MSRP ! It's called 'doing business' ! 2 weeks ago, I had the opportunity to buy an RX 6800XT at the AMD shop, and yesterday, I sold it to the highest bidder, and made an nice profit, of 350 euro's. Nobody "forced" him to buy it from me !
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 GPUs and CPUs dont compare. Theres no CPU shortage. There has been GPU shortage for 11 months now. U are even proud of yourself for abusing these hard times. Unreal.
I’m building my friend Kelsey a new Video Editing rig and just got the excel sheet finished with all my Amazon Links. We get our bonus’s Friday and I’m torn between the 3900x, 5800x or 12600K. Glad somebody finally ran some Premiere benchmarks instead of ALWAYS FOCUSING ON GAMING!!!! Great Job Paul!!!
Thanks for doing this Paul, I was really curious what a "budget" 12th gen build looks like and what you are really losing performance wise for saving a huge chunk of change.
Thanks for the OC testing! I was tired of waiting on a good CPU deal and going to take the hour and a half trek to microcenter next time 5800Xes were in shock due to the Z690 ITX board being $300. Now that I know even the 12600k is a nice overclocker with a much lower baseline power usage, I'll just bite the bullet now on Alder Lake. I'll probably be much happier in the long run, and that should be a better fit for a super-compact SG13 case. Really appreciate your help with videos like this.
Given the state of gpu availability, it would be cool to see gaming tests performed with, say, a gtx 1080 ti in addition to the rtx 3090 to better reflect real world conditions.
That's a very relevant sponsor to the video! Thanks for the video, Paul. Going through the cost of building all three of the most recent platforms from scratch, and then comparing their performance, is extremely helpful. As I'm already on AM4, I'll hold off on upgrading until Zen3D comes out. It ought to compete well with Alder Lake, and I don't need a new motherboard or new memory. 💰
The 12600k is going to be a big hit for Intel. This is a objectively a good chip at the price…. For building from scratch. Upgrading current systems is a harder pill to swallow.
Unless upgrading from 8th or 7th gen, adding you can save on DDR4 RAM... Of course, depending on the case use, upgrading from 10th is most likely not even worth, considering 11th gen was widely regarded as a stagnation gen in comparison with the 10th gen
This is the correct take away from this. Have a Ryzen Mobo, then upgrade to Zen3. Only have an older Intel/AMD (non Zen) setup? Build a 12600k DDR4 (gaming primarily focused) or 12900k DDR5 (gaming + CC focused) new builds. Those are the best situations.
Been watching for years I appreciate your logical and down to earth way of looking at technology. It's okay you've been busy lately keep up the hard work and don't let the grind get you down!!
after seeing gaming reviews, I decided to save money and use my current DDR4 RAM, which saved a lot of money. The GIGABYTE Z690 GAMING X DDR4 is working really well with my 12600K. I'm waiting until faster DDR5 is available to decide to upgrade.
Just did the same with a 12700K on a Asus Strix-A D4 mobo with my old DDR4 3600...works great in Gear 1. DDR5 will take some time to really make a difference, get faster and more importantly get drop in price. Right now for gaming hardly any difference and even in most productivity use cases DDR4 is more than fine.
@@FreshPanda97 AI Overclock set to manual. Running per core settings of 1 to two cores at 5.3GHz, 3 to 4 cores at 5.2GHz, 5 to 6 cores at 5.1GHz and 7 to 8 cores at 5GHz. Vcore is on adaptive with a 1.3000v max. I have set E cores at all core 40 so 4GHz. Ring Down Bin at disabled with a Min CPU Cache Ratio and a Max CPU Cache ration at 40 with an LLC set to 4....used the link below as a baseline and then fine tuned for my 12700K...Still not happy as I know I can do better on the vcore as it fluctuates to 1.35v! but this is the first time I have used an ASUS motherboard as I have pretty much always had Gigabyte boards. Temps are no issues with Cinebench R23 never going above 80 degrees C though I am now using a 280mm AIO instead of my 360mm AIO due to waiting for the LGA 1700 bracket.. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eTDmFjKeWSA.html
I forgot, I have also set XMP to XMP1 so my memory is running at the right settings for my 4 sticks of DDR4 3600 C18 though I will play around with this to tighten timings when I get a proper handle on the ASUS bios..
THANK YOU for including Civ 6 turn time results. I spend 90% of my gaming time on Civ 6 and Cities:Skylines and benchmarks from people I trust are hard to come by. Small differences really add up over the course of a five-hour game.
Paul, this was very informative. I am glad you shared this as I do plan to build an Alder Lake set up soon. Have a good Wednesday sir and stay cool. Being in So-Cal you know what I mean.
For most and that being more specifically gaming, people won't be needing DDR5 in tell they managed to get tighter timings. Over the years speed of ram has been important but tighter timings have always been a huge determining factor on gaming performance. I'd say give it a couple years before we really see what DDR5 can do and then go with it.
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I'd love to see a Factorio benchmark with DDR5. Pretty sure it has a noticable (if not outright big) effect.
This is the exact kind of video I've been looking for! I know the prices are not going to be the same this far out, but this will definitely help start me off for my next build, thanks Paul.
I'm super happy with my 12700K with DDR4-3600 and the only microATX motherboard I could find - an Asus Prime Z690M-Plus - that also happened to be cheap.
I am currently running a stock 9600k and just saw the 12th gen stuff(no i havent been paying attention) its looking like a really viable upgrade regarding cost to performance!
i just sold my i9 9900k and aorus ultra z390 for 350 euro and paid for the 12700k/Gigabyte Z690UD 660 euro. so i think its a good upgrade play a lot bf 2042 in 1440p with the 3080ti , hopefully this cheaper board is just as stable and power efficient as my older board aorus z390 ultra and the alderlake aorus z690 boards.
I really like how your video talks about some points that others haven’t. Something else I’ve noticed is the Enhanced Multi-core Performance is set to Auto by default but Auto = disabled for me. I’m now going to use that as my daily driver as temperatures seem real comfortable using an AIO.
I work in IT and one of my sources was finally able to order me 32GB Fury Beast 5200 kit straight from Kingston. Came yesterday. Paring it with a 3080, 12700k, and the MSI Carbon WiFi. Either today or tomorrow.
Been using 12600KF and Z690 DDR4 with my five year old GTX 1060 for more than a week now. I came from skylake 6500 and I would say this upgrade is definitely worth it.
When there were only three submissions of the 12600K on PassMark's site, I thought the single-core ratings were far too good to be true. It's good to know they weren't too far off. It is _insane_ how much faster they are than the previous generation (and my "weak" 5600X).
In eastern europe you can't buy lga 1700 coolers anywhere. I'm not buying until I can cool it too, but literally everyone does the same. You can buy motherboards and CPU's for extremely reasonable prices but coolers are nowhere to be seen. Yeah you can ask for kits directly from manufacturers, but they have waaaay too long delivery times. Plus heard that some early noctua's and arctic's don't work properly.
I finally was able to bite the bullet today when a 32GB kit of the Kingston Fury Beast DDR5 4800MHz momentarily came into stock (to finish my 12900k build). My thoughts are that better kits will _eventually_ come to market as DDR5 matures but there's no point in paying a premium (on top of the early adopter's tax) for 5200MHz at the moment - Corsair's 5200MHz kit adds $AUD100 to the cost over the Fury Beast kit. I'll give the kit a try to see if I can overclock them anyway.
Really cool to see the scaling differences on all this stuff. DDR5 is going to offer some decent gains in a generation or two once both platforms grow into it a bit more. I'm very curious to see how the memory bandwidth dependent Ryzen cpus end up scaling once they also get the benefit of it. Having been there for DDR1>2, 2>3, and 3>4, these numbers are basically in line with what we've seen in the past, with early performance showing some negative scaling due to increased memory latency, but as those numbers tighten and bandwidth goes up, things will start to even out, especially once the price of the new stuff drops. Onward goes the march of progress!
Thinking about going to a X690 TUF and 12700KF from a X570 TUF and 3900X. The thing stopping me is the thought I could just pop in a new Ryzen with the extra vcache in Q1. It's a bit annoying not really knowing how much better the new Ryzen's will end up being.
Waiting will mean stock has a chance to improve, so if you _can_ wait, I'd recommend it. Alder Lake may get a price drop, if Zen3D's performance is high enough.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Zen3D is a limited launch with HIGHER prices than current Zen 3, Intel has no need to price drop, they already severely undercut AMD in CPU pricing and have better performance.
Wait til Zen 3D launches and you see its performance, by then the B660 motherboards and lower end sku Intel parts will be out and you can make a solid decision what would work best for you.
I'm still playing around with the overclock but so far I got 5.3 on 1+2 core 5.2 on 3+4 and 5.1 on .5+6 with 4.0 on E cores at 1.36v with LLC5 with max temps of 72 degrees and scored 2031 on single and 19834 on multi on R23
Went with a Gigabyte Z690 UD DDR4 and 12700K, just putting it together. Really don't see the point for DDR5 where there's no availability, prices are sky high and not beneficial for my needs.
i love the way you oc it that quick hahahaha i got same cpu but im afraid to try cause lots of stuff but watching you make it really easy i shall try it myself!
I just ordered a 12700k and Z690i motherboard. I am sticking with DDR4 for the time being because the price of entry is just so much lower than DDR5 and I already have 32G of DDR4 in my current system.
Picked up a 12700K on a Strix-A D4 board and it is impressive with a Cinebench score of jus a fraction over 24K. Overclocking is pretty straightforward with an adaptive vcore..
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 And then we will have Raptor Lake after that, and then Zen5 after that, and then Meteor Lake after that...We could go on and on but pointless as obviously the brand seems to matter more to you than actually just buying the best for your use case be it AMD or Intel...To me both AMD and Intel are great and I will buy whichever suits my budget and use case...
I think waiting for much cheaper B660 motherboards and more LGA1700 cooler options before jumping on the bandwagon is probably the wisest move. By then Zen 3D should be out as well so AMD would probably cut prices on last gen 5600 so that be a true price battle for the mid range gaming platforms. Simply channeling all that money into upgrading a GPU tier as always, nets way more benefits..
CPU OC is barely worth it now. See other sites trying to OC the 12600K. Removing power limit to sustain boost clocks is what we need. Memory overclocks are probably well more worth the effort in supporting applications and now also can be on the B series. Also we won't know if Adler Lake non-K would lockdown PL2 since they are rumoured to be 65W TDP.
when I was looking 3rd week of October I couldn't find a 5600x not sold by a third party for $300-320. It was $340-350. I won't buy main things from third parties. 5800X was $392. I went with 5800X. I wanted a smaller case, so went mini-ATX. My price for those 3 was $670 Totally happy with my decision. Considering I carried an intel gen 2 (I-5 3470S) from 2014 until now. I think I'm good for a few years.
Can the average Joe tell any differnce in these test rigs? It seems to me it's swings and roundabouts depending on what job you want to do with the set ups.All the results are so close in my mind I would love to see a test where several people blind test each rig and then say what one they were using without any stats shown on screen .
If you can get an ADL system to post with DDR4 at 4000MT/s or higher in gear 1, which many have, you will see a good 10% (up to 15%) performance increase in many games over DDR5. It will take a long time for DDR5 to catch up to that. The "budget" builds may be the best performers if you spend an extra $50 on a good ram kit.
Great stuff! I wish there were DDR4 ITX boards. Sadly I'm going to have to wait for DDR5 to reach price parity in a year or two before I even begin entertaining the idea of an upgrade.
@@gpitpitan Thanks for bringing this to my attention! Looks like ASRock has one, too, but it's not one I would likely consider. I need to look into this Gigabyte board a bit and check if Microcenter even offers it because I'm always looking for a reason to go.
Hey thanks a bunch for sharing your settings. My original tests (with the same cpu and mobo) were getting around 13k on r23. I've never overclocked anything before so I copied your settings with turning active turbo ratios on manual and the vcore offset up by just +0.005V just to be safe. I didn't change the individual cores but turning it on manual at least made my computer start using the e-cores, they were nowhere to be seen while on auto haha. I'm never gonna use software to overclock ever again. That shite scared me, I used easy tune and hit start on r23 and the temp jumped right up to 100. Gave me a heart attack, I stopped it immediately. Everything seems to be working fine.... But never again man... never again.
I'm "on the hunt", as you said, and for me the main problem is the z690 platform. There are lots of motherboards but they're quite expensive, especially if you take a look at the x570/s and B550 options. I think that the 12700k is a good option (and cheaper than the 5900x) but then I see that you can have a Ryzen 9 with a good motherboard which costs less than 200€/USD. At long last, we can see competition in the industry. However, the prices still are steep, even with DDR4 RAM.
The "cheaper" z690 can run 12700 perfectly fine too, they have like 14 VRM´s - unless you want a) specific features b) do some insane overclocking - spending more than 240 on the boards is a waste. Cheaper lga1700 boards should come out Q1 2022, maybe with the release of the rest of the 12 gen cpus
@@juKKsfan I totally agree with you. The power delivery doesn't seem to be a problem in the less expensive z690 motherboards. And that's right, if you want specific features such us more USB ports or postcode, for instance, you have to pay a lot more money.
