Grab a PC building modmat (anti-static work surface) on the GN store! store.gamersnexus.net/products/modmat-volt-large Watch the latest roundup of Intel’s B&H motherboards: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EilX422zl9I.html Check out the coverage of Z690 motherboards: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VEkDVlv1FFg.html AMD B550 chipset explained: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qfTPLF8OKK4.html These chipsets are designed for Intel’s latest CPUs. Check out our reviews. i9-12900K: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fhI9tLOg-6I.html i7-12700K and 12700KF: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-B14h25fKMpY.html i5-12600K: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OkHMh8sUSuM.html i5-12400: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_P_AGv-DJbU.html i3-12100F: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xBDFCoGhZ4g.html
If my pre-built acer claims a h670 chipset but mother board says acer on it And acer claims the computer is upgradable dyi and can be take apart with no tools.. does this mean the case can let me put any mother board i want ?
I've always been confused by the H-series board names. What makes H670 and H610 both "H" boards? what's the common link? why isn't H670 a "B" series board for example?
H series has double the dmi link between chip and chipset. So you can get more IO. Basically if you don’t need overclocking but need all the extra usb, thunderbolt and use expansion cards. But the price difference between h670 and z690 means you can always find a z690 at a similar price where you still get the same amount of IO on the z690, but also have overclocking unlocked if you ever do get a k sku. Basically unless you see an h670 at $50 or more less than z690 AND have no plans to overclock go with h670. But if you need the IO most likely you can find a z690 at a similar price of h670
H series has been around longer than b series. Hx7x was the best non-overclocking board you could get, basically all the features of Z just no overclocking. This is good for high end business and office PCs where they may need lots of IO but don't want to mess with OC stuff. Hx1x was also not overclocking but was more aimed at budget builds really stripped of high end features. Think of running a cash register. It's the number that differentiates these non-overclocking H boards. H77 vs H71, H87 vs H81, H97 vs H91, H170 vs H110. B series is newer. It is a more budget focused option between the two H series. It has recently been marketed mainly towards gamers. Before B series existed, I bought Hx7 boards for regular non-K Intel cpus. There's also Q series motherboard chipsets from Intel which is sometimes similar to the Hx7x. It's even more business and oem focused though.
I wonder if part of their business plan is to confuse as many as possible with all the alternatives to just make people buy the Z chipset because it is easiest to know you get everything rather than researching exactly which chipset you need for your use case.
When I was building and fixing computers a lot more than I am now I’d ask the customer what are you trying to do with the machine. If you ask them what they want most just say what’s new? So a lot of people that didn’t need it spent $300 instead of $1k+.
Intel licensing fees are absolutely insane... I know the 12600k is technically faster, but I bought the 5600x purely because it was more efficient, cheaper, and the motherboard was literally a 1/3 the cost of the same quality Intel board.
@@weasle2904 5600x is a slower CPU, so of course it is cheaper. But the 5600x is actually the one that has bad value for money. In terms of performance, the 5600x is closer to the 12400 than it is to the 12600k. The 12400f is significantly cheaper than the 5600x, and you will pay less for the intel system (CPU + motherboard + ram) than you will for the Ryzen system. AMD is no longer the budget option like they were in 2017 and 2018. They are no overpriced compared to intel.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior AMD recently reduced their pricing recently, and their motherboards are so much cheaper it's actually a better value to get AMD. Not to mention AMD CPUs are waaaaaaaaaay more efficient
Yo GN, when you zoom in on specific parts of the graph shown at 4:30, can you not blur the list of specification names in the left column? Maybe zoom that column as well so it stays lined up.
@@GamersNexus when we are having some B660 and H670 motherboards comparisons and benchmarks? I can’t find any videos on RU-vid and the motherboards are already launched.
@@GeekNerdNoir Remember that GN benchmarks to the intel spec; meaning any weird mobo settings like 101mhz bclk or unlimited power budget would be ignored. mobos should function identically until you start messing with settings (which most mobo manufacturers already do out-of-the-box). This is probably a main reason why performance tests aren't done at GN... because most mobos are preset to run out-of-manufacturer-spec when you plug them in, meaning it's not a manufacturer benchmark comparison; it's a mobo default settings comparison.
@@GamersNexus maybe making it darker on the ones you want to keep the viewer from being distracted by, blurring can mess with my eyes but thats a me thing so if not or if that messes with some other type of eyes that's fine cause I already enjoy the channel and it would just be a nice to have in my perspective
Thanks for taking it down a bit, I needed a refresh on the terms and acronyms. Got back into the "master race" last year, luckily had a nerd friend upgrading so I got some parts for cheap, and hunted down a used 2080ti for around 450$. I have a scrap rig going and am looking forward to getting into the game of upgrading down the years to come. You guys have helped me understand a lot of the things that have gone under my radar the past years. What products to avoid like the plague that's been rolling around and others to keep an eye on for sales. Dropped out of the game around 2010/2011. Love the videos and the way you lay down harsh facts. Keep the good work going and hope this year brings less disappointments then the previous year. Love from Norway
I'm thinking about a Z690 build in the near future so this helped! It most re-affirmed what I already knew, I didn't realize B660 was quite as cut down though. Z690 it is!
I went strix z690 gaming A (ddr4), 32gb g-skill 4000cl16, 12600k, samsung 980 evo+, strix 3080ti oc. CPU @ 5ghz, gpu power limit +12% & undervolt (strix already had massive factory power lim so it's around 450W now). My rig smashes my mates 5950x in multi threaded benchmarks and gpu benches better then most 3090's. Thermals are great too. Cost and arm and a leg but I don't regret it.
Relatedly I had a request for a video series A straight forward actual setup guide in bios settings and windows options for the new alder lake CPUs and these newer mobos. As a lot of us have been out of the hardware game for 3 years due to "Incidents" and that is roughly the time frame the Ryzen dominated the charts. That and 99.9 percent of videos are overclocking guides when most just want to know if they have the baseline setup right in the first place.
Stock of some stuff is still hard to come by, I have a friend who has been wanting to build for a while. He was able to snag a 3080ti FE at MSRP which blew hes budget considering he has a 1080p 240hz monitor and only plays warzone. He can't find a 12600 in stock so is going with a 12600k even though he doesn't plan to overclock. Pairing with a $180 B660 Asus tuf because checks the other boxes. It still has PCIe 5.0 top slot, 2x PCIe 4.0 M.2, etc. Not a perfect pairing by any means but he's excited to build his first pc.
The 12600 is a weak choice due to the extra $$$ compared with a 12500 and just a tiny 200 MHz speed bump, so it's probably a good thing he got the much stronger 12600k with the 10 cores
@@thelawnet good to know thanks. At least there are options available and happy to see Intel hitting back against AMD I hope it encourage the choices when they release AM5.
there's another reason to go for Z690 over the rest, the number of SATA ports I want to build a home NAS with TrueNAS and the number of SATA ports diminishes with the B, H and Q boards the other major caveat is PCIe lanes, you'd want one or two 10gbe card, a HBA for future expansion
H670 has the exact same number of possible (will vary by manufacturer) SATA ports. You can always throw a cheap IT mode controller in it and add another 4 or 8 ports.
honestly i hate that we're being forced to buy "features" we don't need. even factoring in the human malware issue, i got my Ryzen 3600 and X470 for way cheaper then the equivalent SKU now. Why? PCIe Gen 4. And for WHAT? We weren't even saturating Gen 3 with any meaningful purpose. Gen 3 NVME were PLENTY fast. But manufacturers ran out of shit to market, so Gen 4 was forced down our throats. There is absolutely ZERO reason to go PCIe Gen 4 and DDR5 right now. You graphics card perfectly well at Gen 3 x16, and no one needs Gen 4 NVMEs.
Currently, my Radeon 5700 XT is hogging all of the PCIe 4.0 x16 (PCIEX16_1). That GPU is roughly equivalent to todays 6600 XT and RTX 3060 (rasterization power). Half of that (PCIe 4.0 x8 or PCIe 3.0 x16) would still be plenty for 5700 XT. So, I've got lots of headroom for a future GPU, which is propably much faster. Since my mobo (Asus X570-E) supports splitting that x16, I could start using both straight-to-the-CPU slots, *without bottlenecking my GPU.* Well, at least with my current GPU. But... ...with PCIe 3.0 x8 (or PCIe 4.0 x4) I might bottleneck my GPU, more or less. Not to mention a new, much faster GPU I some day upgrade to. PCIe *4.0 x16* GPU (32 GB/s) or PCIe *4.0 x8* GPU (16 GB/s) PCIe *4.0 x8* a capture card, for example or PCIe *4.0 x8* GPU (16 GB/s) PCIe *4.0 x4x4* a card with two M.2 SSD's (RAID1 or RAID 0) or PCIe *4.0 x4x4x4x4* a card with four M.2 SSD's and an iGPU. Or an external, 1-slot GPU in PCIEX16_3 (PCIe 4.0 x4) When will be the first GPU actually, in practice, really requiring PCIe 4.0 x16 (or PCIe 5.0 x8) released? Two years from now? Three years from now? And at what price...
Great information to recap just before black friday/ cyber monday deals! Bought i5-12600K/ B660 combo for ($240+$100)to replace my >10 years old i5-2500/H61M. What a great save from 13th gen!
Excellent guide. I don't have any current plans to move off of AMD, but if AM5 doesn't impress, I may look at Intel. This will be my bookmarked video to review if I end up switching back to the blue team. Thanks!
I just finished an Alder Lake build, and it's fantastic. However, I can honestly say AMD's Zen 4 on the new AM5 platform will definitely be better. According to Lisa Su, they're running over 5 GHz on all cores while stable. That's gonna be a game-changer.
I do think that H610 mb with 12400 is a good price/performance combo, and I do consider it as an upgrade for my current system (it's not perfect, but with prices in my area it's good enough) but right now I don't have good enough GPU to feel the difference, so I will pass for now
Why H610 though? B660 is only 15 euro more over here. The cheapest H610 I can find is 94 and the cheapest B660 is 109. I wouldn't bother with H610 atm it's not cheap enough yet.
@@klocugh12 You're not locked out of XMP, H610 has XMP up to 3200MHz. and you're only locking yourself out of PCI-E 4.0 for M.2, H610 still has PCI-E 4.0 for the Graphics card. And H610 still has 2x M.2 slots and 10Gb/s USB-A 3.1
The best and richest H610 way better than cheapest B660. Ther is no point to buy B660 until u wont overclock your memory but i don't think it worth it at all (20$ in my country) Also u lose some ARGB and RGB fan slots and 1 fan slot
@@inomix8871 In a way yes, the best H610 board has faster USB (2x10Gb/s), more M.2, and better VRM on paper, than some cheapest B660 boards. But some cheap B660 boars have more (5Gb/s) USB, so it's a quality vs quantity thing (extremely tight segmentation across the board).
It was a big help to break this mess of boards with all kinds of features being flashed around on them. There are several logic points of goals that seem to automatically dial up the board to use without much fuss. The only thing I would have like to have at this point is whether to go with DDR 4 half the price of DDR5 and it seems that DDR4 actually is faster until faster DDR 5 is available. So some talk on that decision tree DDR4 or DDR5 and what points between them have relevance to actual real world use. Thanks!
Bought a somewhat expensive B660 board for my uncle's new pc. The uATX Z690 boards I saw were either really expensive or cost cutting boards with things like 6 or less usb ports. H670 was nonexistant.
I still don't really understand what's the issue with h610 boards. Sure, you lose some faster usb ports, storage raid configurations and get a only pcie 3 instead of pcie 4 for storage for which I don't really care, pcie 3 seems fast enough for me, comparing with b660, neither do i see anything wrong with having only 1 memory dpc, since from what i've seen most people still run only two sticks while having 4 slots. I've already bought an h610 board (asus prime h10m-a) with a 12500, but I still don't know why people praise b660 and hate on h610.
I'm doing my research to build my PC and I'm having the same feeling... Everyone saying that h610 are bad, not a single one of then give a good explanation why.
the asus h610m-a is actually great, arguably more features than budget 660s, not sure on vrms but i doubt you’d want to overclock anyway. sucks it isnt available in my country so im settling with the h610m-e
I think it's worth buying a motherboard that can support overclocking and one that has a built in 1 click overclock feature. I've had great experiences with msi's 1 click overclock with great performance uplift at a minimal thermal hit. I think 1 click overclocking is the future of overclocking. It makes overclocking a feature that is accessible to everyone. I hear people shit on it a lot and I don't understand why...if you can get like a 10% performance uplift in fps with 1 click then why not?
Been really happy with my 12700k and Z690, but if your on a tight budget a $120 B660 and $320 12700F gets you the same performance, and beats the $550 5900x.
I really wish the 12600 had the extra cores the 12600K has. Then I could cheap out and get a H670 or B660 board and a 12600. The last time I did Overclocking was when I had my 6600K, and I really don't care to get back into it. But, I feel gypped if I buy a 12600K, and don't get a Z690 board...
@@schassismx3115 depends on various factors. Asus has better RGB control while MSI boards are generally slightly better. MSI boards also have better vrm cooling I would say choosing between the two is tuf (pun intended).
@@green_block yes that's pretty much the best choice. That chip doesn't even heat as much as the K. The i7 12700k with unlimited TDP takes maximum of 180W while 12700 takes only up to 140w. That's why imo the non-k is much better choice.
Wifi, sound, network, and VRM can blow up the price.. I have been considering if buying onboarding wifi is worth it at all.. a removable wifi card can be taken to your next PC.
I think in my instance 12600k and H board made perfect fit. 12700k(or no K) is 100 more expensive, 12600 non-K is not in class of 12600K. 12600k is still overkill for most but best all rounder. Z vs H670 saved me 70 euros (asrock itx board). Same board except for chip and less 3.2 usb io.
I think you will see no noticeable difference ( < 2%) in games between the 12600 and 12600K, but with a H board you are definitely wasting the K's OC potential.
I haven't build a PC in about 8 years... and now trying to get back into it.... I really appreciate the effort in simplifying the info. People really underestimate how much you lose if you're not constantly updating your knowledge on tech.
Bro. Same. Kinda why I follow and just watch Linus, jays2cent, and a few other RU-vidrs that break everything down every season. Gives me just enough info to not be completely out of the loop.
@ZyklonBeezy I've been in the same place, so I suggest you to try to research part by part. Start with you budget, then depending on that, get a GPU. From the GPU, decide on the CPU (nowadays its either ryzen 5 5600 or intel i5 12400f for a budget build). Then for the mobo and the others, just research one by one, that fits into your budget
I wish PC's building was like in the old days , you could pop your vga card because you did not set the jumper to the right voltage or you would plop your Cpu in and your computer would just beep or not post at all because you never set your clocks and bus speed for your cpu and your expansion to match your cpu and the bus ( not that thing you take to School in the morning ). Plug and Pray was a thing and it also kept all the Wana be techies out of the game. Today everyone that builds a PC thinks they a techie now, because everything goes in one way and one place and it's all color coded. Bunch of amatures. XD
Just one thing about the comment at around 2:30 that if you have a K SKU CPU, Z690 is all you should be looking at. It's true for the reasons he says, that the K means it's an unlocked chip and you need a Z690 to take advantage of that, but for at least one set of SKUs in Alder Lake there's a bigger difference than just the K SKU being unlocked. The 12600K has 4 efficiency cores, the 12600 has 0. I can think of a definite niche of people who might want to have those 4 extra cores but not care about overclocking. When you look at the benchmarks of the 12600K vs less expensive Intel Alder Lake CPUs, like the 12400, that have no efficiency cores, it becomes clear how big of an impact those extra cores have in productivity workloads, even if they have almost no impact on pure gaming. For someone who wanted bang for the buck in productivity, I think the 12600K seems like a really strong choice in the Alder Lake lineup, but not everyone who wants the chip for that reason is going to care about overclocking, or even know how to overclock a CPU proper. Those people might not want to spend the extra money on a Z series board.
Also, K versions have higher clocks. If you can have it for the same price as a non K, you have some pre OC for free. I got a 10600K for the price of a 10400. Nice bump in GHz for the best B460 :)
@@Spido68_the_spectator K version have higher clock, but ADL i5 have 4 extra E-core, so it's worth go 12600K (and 12600K is like $70 more than 12600 non-K on the street here)
12600 is just 100mhz less than k. If you strictly game and don’t want windows 11 the 12600 does 4.8Ghz on a cheaper b660 platform and thus the fastest 6 core. The 12400 is enough for 1440p/4K gaming, though the 12600 should be more capable to generate 10-25 frames more due to 400mhz higher boost. The 12600 will need a better cooling. In my country the 12400 is only 35€ cheaper. The 12400f is about 180, 12400 ~205, 12600 ~240, 12600k ~300
There is 12700 non-k CPU which cost a little bit more but faster than 12600k. 12700 non-k with good b660(h670) DDR4 motherboard will be the best for rendering or video editing kind of work for that amount of money. Obviously you'll need to remove power limits from 65 watts because its limiting performance of non-k CPU and buy good CPU cooler.
I bet H610 will be the most used chipset by OEMs. I can already see a Dell machine with it, with huge marketing banner over it, claiming: "We no longer use proprietary custom hardware!"
@@MitternachtAngel I bought i3 12100f with h610 mobo gigabyte for 215 dollars . Which has almost the same price for i3 10105f but more expensive for 25-35 bucks , (10105f plus h510 = $175) . Hahhahaha that was a very good deal , and now it's out of stock. The performance of i3 12th from 10th gen is kinda huge.
H610 boards are perfectly fine for running 12400f since they give the same performance as any other more expensive boards with that cpu. Only reason not to go with them is if you dont like IO options. As for B660 boards In my country Asus TUF B660-plus D4 costs same as Gigabyte z690 UD and MSI B660M Mortar costs same as MSI z690-A pro. Zero logic to go for higher end B boards no matter the cpu choice. You should look into ASRock B660 Pro RS which is widely available, costs $120-150 and can support 12700 without thermal throttling.
H610 is not as bad as you make out. At all. You get M.2 PCIE 3.0 x 4 (on most boards), which is the same as any budget M.2. You get 1 DIMM slot per channel, which is just fine - 2 x 8GB is sufficient for any user considering this level of board. You get a PCIE 4.0 x 16 slot for the GPU, which works with all GPUs in existence at full speed. And the USB ports are more than adequate. Ok, you will have to run your RAM at DDR4-3200, but that's more than fast.
i really didnt get the difference between 660 vs 610, is it only overclocking? i m trying to get build with i7 12700, rtx 3060, 8*2 ddr4 ram , 1tb ssd + 250gb ssd any advise?
this is perfect, as a long time user of Ryzen systems, ive pretty much let my knowledge of Intel chipsets escape my brain in favor of the competition, seems like the rivalry is heating up and its time to add some wrinkled to my brain and remember how the hell Intel chipsets are even divided by chipset class (with ryzen it was fairly straight forward: A series was entry level "i just want it to work on a shoestring budget" B series was "id like a little headroom without spending a lot/i want to overclock and want a few bells and whistles without going crazy for stuff ill rarely use" X series was "just give me everything even if i wont use it" (yes i know these are simplified assumptions, its ok to not be 100% accurate in a YT comment, embrace the jocularity)
I've even kind of dumped AM4 board information at this point. I forgot about the A series. B550 PCIE gen 4 only to the x16 slot. X570 has 4.0 chipset link so more 4.0 available. Probably some other stuff but that is all I can think of. No insane support mattix.
I'm glad Steve thinks this video will be understood by new or rusty PC builders. He clearly needs to get out more because most newbs would have been completely lost after his first sentence.
It isn't tough though. For 99.99% of applications, B550 is plenty. It's still an Unlocked platform, not that AMD's CPUs have that much manual OC head room.
It be nice if you and every other hardware reviewer could come up with a motherboard list of B660 boards that are capable of BCLK overclocking locked CPUs like the 12400f. Like der8auer showed how it's possible to OC a locked 12400 to like 5.2GHz on a B660 Strix. But I think most people would like to know if there are cheaper B660 boards out there with external clock gens, or have the BCLK feature enabled by some other way.
is b660asusTUF paired with 12900k good? not thinking about overclocking at all But the z690 prices in our country kinda trash as if in right now (supply demand)
Finally ! A chipset review in detail. Very few "reviews" have much to say about the subject. I might add that there are times when the K vs non K prices are within $10 of each other which means...buy the K because, sources say, it is about 10% faster out of the box than the same non K CPU. The Intel printed specs between them suggest they are the same however, there are sources suggesting that is not accurate. However, folks never talk about the K cost factor requiring a CPU cooler and that expense which will add a fair $50 to the K cost vs non K that comes with a cooler.
$170 Australian for a NH-D15 and core temps below 70oC for a 5Ghz 10600K everyday oc is not a major cost when you consider the big performance difference vs a stock 10600 non k, also a good cooler coupled with raised limits means you don't need to worry about thermal or power throttling so you ride max turbo boost on non K CPUs with a mobo that will override the limits like the asus mobos (strix z690 disables them 😀)
@@LuxTheSlav That is true however, Intel has improved them as of gen 10 I believe. They usually do just fine for the slower non k models but for those with upper non K models such as the xx500/xx600, the stock coolers are noisey. I have no experiences yet with the newer Intel coolers as we typically use K models.
I'm glad i found this breakdown, no one ever talks about the H610 chipset in any of the CPU reviews so i didn't understand the difference. H610 was $40-50 cheaper so i bought that. Fortunately despite all the huffing and puffing about it the H610 will actually still be fine for my gaming computer since i'm gonna put a gen3 nvme in it and can't imagine needing 20gbps USB when every USB device i own can't saturate 5gbps USB. I seriously think you overblow the difference between the B660 and H610 here with the 'not suitable for gaming PCs' talk.
It's always like that. I haven't used any form of RAID for my private computer in decades either. And tech reviewers treat it like most of their viewerbase has RAID5 on their grandma's media center. Like no, fam. The H610 itself is already priced from €90 upwards in comparison to older socket cheap MOBOs that I could find from €55+. I am not paying another €20 premium on top of the inflated €90.
I built an entry level gaming rig for a friend with an i3-12100F + H610M + RTX2060 (old card), it plays Elden Ring, Valheim whatever they throw at it without issue. So yeah, I think tech reviewers get caught up comparing all the current hardware, but the lowest end chips, mobo's, etc are often way better than what was top end a few years ago, and the software takes years to catch up.
Hey, could you please make a list of good B660 mobos which have good thermals, VRM etc so we can go for a budget build. Really looking forward to it! Love the channel! Thank you
The problem is that most of the B660 boards with good VRMs cost as much as cheapest Z690 boards but still dont have better VRMs than their counterparts.
@@benderbg Not really a problem. You don't need good VRMs on B660 because Alder Lake is much more efficient than Comet/Rocket Lake. You just need VRMs that aren't absolute trash. Anything with a VRM heatsink and at least 3 MOSFETs per phase should be fine for up to an i7-12700. If you're looking for a cheap B660 motherboard, the Gigabyte B660M DS3H, ASUS Prime B660M-A, and MSI Pro B660M-A all have VRMs that would easily be good enough for an i7-12700. (MSI, why did you change your naming scheme to be basically identical to ASUS?). Prices seem very variable between regions.
Still wishing for a budget B660 board with BCLK OC support, I wanna shove some celeron and i3 in and just cramp unholy amount of voltage in and overclock them to death in stock cooler.
Given that my 11400 thermal throttled with the boxed cooler, on "Asus default out of the box" settings, I suspect that wouldn't take very much at all. Just enable MCE and run AIDA for 30 seconds.
@@fermitupoupon1754 12th gen stock cooler is substantially better, it can actually handle a 6 core locked CPU at full turbo, I heard 8 core require some undervolt to maintain 100% turbo though.
No offense, but this paper specifications is not much helping unless you test it in real life. I was thinking that you will going to test to show how good is the power delivery and VRM section because that's the most thing matters. This thing you explained can easily be taken out from Google, but how well the performance difference can be seen only when it would be tested. Supposed, I was going to buy i5 12400f but got confused between h610 and b660, so a benchmark test would have clearly shown me the difference, also which brand because I have seen same board performs different depending brand to brand, even if both are H, B or high end Z series.
I struggle to find meaning in the lower tier boards.... The amount of money saved on tooling/production by NOT making H610's could easily subsidize the costs of the higher tier boards, resulting in cheaper higher end components. Plus less e-waste. I get that they want to hit that lower price bracket, but by not making it at all, the B660 could fill that gap with a lower price, and just better hardware for everybody.
I don't get the part at 5:15 : I have an Asus Prime H610M-A D4 and I'm indeed in Dual Memory (confirmed by Asus specs and CPU-Z) and I was able to activate XMP on my RAM (I just can't OC manually beyond even if the option to OC above 5000 Mhz is available on the Bios.). Some exceptions ?
I got an H610M S2H from gigabyte, and as far as I can tell the only drawbacks are the single m.2 slot (pcie 3.0) and there only are two memory channels. I was surprised to see the 4.0 pcie x16 slot honestly. It was really cheap too, and with two 8gb 3200 mhz ram sticks I don't think I will need more memory slots.
Thats what I was surprised about the gen4 x16, Is it that different than the others, did you notice if it caps the cpu? Cause I found an itx h610 for 80eur (asrock) and was thinking about upgrading from my z170, to a locked 13th gen i5 or i7... Cause I already got 32gb 3200 ram and 1tb nvme pcie 3, could save a bit.. was either this or b660, maybe b550
@@dragoljubzdravkovic1737 get a b660, a good one, most boards can handle the good cpus of this generation if you decide to upgrade later... which is the main point of these. right now.
@@TrikipumI've heard the same advice back when 10th gen was released, fast forward 3 years later when i need to upgrade, now people said there's no point upgrading withn 10th gen, go 12th gen instead, so this whole idea of getting better board so that we can upgrade to better cpu down the line become falls apart when i have to change motherboard as well upgrading to 12th gen, though for me i was aiming at best an i5, if one decided to get i7 then there's no point getting a budget board
SLI/Crossfire always been hyper confusing, 2022 and still we can't get full hyper-speed on each hyper-PCI-Express connector. So the extra PCI-E are mostly hyper cut on performance and the extra hyper lanes provided by the CPU are hyper limited.
When showing the spec table for H610, in the row for Mem channels/DPC you show h610 as having 2/1, which I'd read as 2 memory channels and 1 DPC I thought H610 had 1 memory channel and 2 dims for that channel? That's certainly what you said out loud earlier in the video
I bought a H670 pro asus gaming motherboard for 220 and a 12600kF, it runs my memory at 3600 CL16 perfect and the pc is for my brother so I don’t need or want to overclock the CPU ALSO wants the point of buying a low end Z690 gaming x from gigabyte but it doesn’t even utilize the full advantage of z690 capabilities cause it’s so cheap. My asus h670 tuf has more usb 3 than the gaming x
What doesn´t sit well with me, B-series boards only having 4 Sata ports like a cheap Hx10 board, not really much appealing about B660 over H610 for easily twice the price.
Exactly, and considering H610 have 3.1 (10Gb/s) USB-A, and 2xM.2 slots, and XMP support up to 3200MHz, H610 are a much better value for gaming than before. Intel significantly uplifted the H610 chipset > H510.
@@Dogzilla07 Yeah, and USB is so important, because something like cheap usb hubs don´t exist. When I look at the internal connectivity, I would rather take two more Sata ports as it used to be, adding a sata card with the pcie limitation pretty much equal to h610, adding usb-hub is way more logical. And regarding XMP, that´s even more of a srew over, my H110 was 60€ and supports XMP as well as OC (obviously limited) so yeah, I stand by what I said, it´s complete crap and therefor I´m not interested in Alder lake at all.
@@gedeuchnixan3830 People who need lots of USB, can't use cheap-hubs. Either due to latency issues, or bandwidth/signal issues due their niche devices (or in case of streamers, not niche xD)
@@Dogzilla07 the second M.2 on an H610 will be at 3.0 x2, typically. Quite slow. I mean, it's a cheap board, so ok, but it's 2 (*) M.2 slots. Most B660 boards have 2 4.0 x4 slots, which will be very good for many years. 3.0 x4 and 3.0 x2, not so good.
@@thelawnet 3.0 x2 is plenty for now, for like a mid tier NVMe (Kioxia Exceria) or storage SATA SSD (MX500). It's not like there's any difference in games xD As for later yeah, but who knows what we'll need for UE5 and Directstorage (what if it's PCIe 5,6 drives), might as well switch platforms then.
H610 is fine for basic office machines. I built 12100F rigs for both of my parents, and they work quite well. Paired with RX 460 2GB cards(the OEM ones that were $50 for a long time some years ago) 16GB in 8x2 configuration and 500GB Gen3 M.2 drives. They love them.
I would like to see you GM respond to over clocking no K CPUs. 😁 Even though I'm AM4 user and won't probably go intel 12th gen since AM5 will be better when it comes out, I was still surprised that they would allow such feature (for Intel) to slip by. Referencing the videos from der8aurer.
I feel so defeated as a budget PC builder. I just want my RDNA2 6600G at a non predatory price at this point. This hobby is now officially the domain of the top 5%.
Bruh. Even rn its one of the cheapest hobbies in existence. Not even a full year of the average persons savings gets you a near top end PC in the current market. $200 a month gets you $2400 after one year. Thats is very minimal savings and it gets you a 3070/3070ti 12700k no problem full scalper prices.
@@Wylie288 Looking at it from that perspective, it's not so terrible, granted. I guess I got used to being able to build full 1080/1440p machines in 4-5 months.
I know this is late in the year but thank you for breaking this down. I have been out of the building game for a few years since x299. Finding all these older videos makes my choices easier in knowing what to get.
5:10 that doesn't mean you don't have dual channel though? You can just use a max of 2 dimms versus 4 on the others, but you still get dual channel with these two dimms?
For second question, if you want the most out of your K cpu, it's better to pair it with the z mobos instead of the b660 since someone said that only like 2 strix b660's have the Blck Oc capability, but you need extensive knowledge on how to OC the cpus on those boards.
If it does not make sense to install a k-cpu on a non-z690 mobo and most k-cpus usually have a higher boost clock than their non-k-brothers. Does that mean a k-cpu on a non-z690 mobo runs with a lower boost clock than advertised? Or do I still get the benefit of the higher boost clock when I run a k-cpu on a say b660 mobo?
Question: the H670 loses the ability to overclock your CPU, but if you buy, let's say a 12900k or a 12700k, are those still UNLOCKED? (ie: all cores able to boost?). Or does the h670 lock it to a single core being able to boost?
Great content, I started watching your videos recently to select what components to buy on my PC (my last build was in 2016). Your channel provides a lot of good information directed to consumers and the advice given it's always amazing.
Sadly in Romania i paid 230 Euro for a i5 12600k (i5 12400 came later at 210 Euro and 12700 at 400 Euro). Is it bad that i brought (i am waiting it to arrive tomorrow) a MSI B6600 tomahawk WiFi at 240 Euro instead of the same MSI Z690 Tomahawk at 311 Euro cheapest here? I wanted to get a cheaper Z690 but they lack some features i cannot live without wich is WiFi and SPDIF. MSI has the cheapest good boards out there. I am sure that is better to pay 20 Euro more for a 12600k then a i5 12400 and save 70 Euros un MB if i do not need OC. IF i really need an upgrade i will buy an i7 12700 in 2-3 years or just o with the new tech. IF i am wrong i do not mind advices, altho i do not think i will send the mobo back as i want to sell my 2600x to someone for 1100 euros. I decided to upgrade because i have lately alot of VRM coil whine on my X470 Gigabyte Gaming 7 (no video output also) and i want to have an iGPU (because this GPU shortage made me think it is better to have) and AMD 5700G is 310 euros here. Thanks. PSȘ I wonder if i will lose performance on my 12600k stock because of B660 🤔
i have b660 MB, and you cant change System Agent voltage on locked CPU (non-k), so memory overclock is very limited. 3600Mhz gear 1 is not stable with stock SA voltage, so i have to run 3500Mhz Gear 1 Thanks Intel
Hi, it may sound like a noob question - but what does overclocking on a 12900k actually do? The stock all-core boost frequency is already at 5.1GHz. Can you really go higher with a 280mm aio? Also - does overclocking mean, that the cpu runs at a fixed clock? Because I’ve often seen people writing „I have a x cpu locked at y GHz on all cores”.
@@Garth2011 like 701 score in cpu z single core with 12400 and like 5 years old intel stock fun cooler. that was hard because 12400 is not support oc but you can push the vram, ram and the voltage but I needed to turn on the AC to keep the vram and the cpu cool. I am doing oc mostly for fun and for the challenge
For some reason, h670 is myth over here, so z690 / b660 / h610. And most of these b660 that beats cheapest z690 had wifi..is that actually cost so much?
And remember that Amazon usually never ships Mobos in boxes. The only way they'll use a box is if you combine it with other items & choose the the "get your order in fewer boxes" option (which is usually slower)
Wow Steve you just saved me so much headache! I have been trying to put together a new PC for weeks, after being stuck with apple for the last 6 years. I had totally forgotten K-series chips are wasted on non-Z boards. I was about to buy a B660 board for a 13600K.
