1450bhp F1 BMW Turbo 

ohyeahhh..... there's one exeption, the 1991 le mans winner.

agreed

what car was that? 787b?

Bo Huggabee really? you're kidding me....

No, not really. The Group B cars are faster in a straight line. But today`s technology makes it much easier to hold speed while cornering. But if you were to take the Group B regulations in modern rally, who knows what monsters that would be bred. And that`s the point really, the regulations of the past let people go wild with tuning and invent completely new concepts. To think that a inovation from the 80s, would smoke 95% of the modern equivalent is basically just proof that open regulations is better from a innovative standpoint.

@Anal Creampie my point exactly

cs512tr the hallmark of a high performance individual.

He makes it all seem so easy to manage as he rattles away

It’s almost like the stuff he is talking about is labeled.

One ah was present

"Just leave me alone ... I know what I'm doing." Yep, definitely! :D

bwoah

He actually said he wished he would've been around F1 in the 70's and 80's

Steering wheel

Alongside rocket fuel, and turbochargers running at upto 5.5 bar of pressure, insanity!!

6 cylinders

@@lytee3720 According to Wiki, the BMW M12 and M13 was a 4 cylinder turbo engine. Other turbo engines of the era were 6 cylinder(like the Honda), the Alfa Romeos had a turbo V8.

@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat alright thanks, crazy engine 😱

2 Engines per race weekend per driver.

+SomeYoungGuy Johnson forgoten

BadTrip On the edge...like Gilles? :)

Thats how it is today, no traction control or other driver aids, they even race with more horsepower than back in the 80s. Remember they only had 1000+ hp in qualification. In race they were down to between 800-900 hp depending on which team and conditions.

Also it was 1350 hp as said in the video which was a calculated estimate, not 1450 hp.

Rottensteam ok I see, I thought this was a qualifying vid. My bad.

BlandNutz That Ford engine didn't make anywhere near 1000bhp. more like 750; Cosworth was more concerned with reliability so restricted boost pressure significantly. The BMWs, Renaults, and Hondas hit 1k+BHP at qualifying trim.

Sounds fun

BlandNutz I’m pretty sure it’s a sequential gearbox

nope, it was an old school H-pattern.

BlandNutz and remember they didn't have power steering in the early 90's.

I was there for that GP!! The most amazing thing about the turbos (aside from the staggering amount of noise) was the smell. The best way I can describe it was the smell of burning steel. The engines were basically disintegrating in real time.

@@farmerbrown84 I was in Adelaide for the '88 GP (my first F1 race) ... we were doing some shopping in Rundle Mall on the Thursday morning and there was this really, really loud and persistent whine/buzz everywhere we went... I thought that there must have been some construction work going on ... the sound went right through your head... it took a while before I realised it was the F1 cars a few kilometres away doing free practice... our seats were about 300m up from the start line... I have never, ever heard or felt anything that loud as that full grid ... the V10's must have been even louder.

+gold333 1984 tires actually. Huge fat slicks RULEZ!

+gold333 what about Brabham BT46 aero?

+gold333 0r 1982 Aero. Wingcars.

mmmm sound good

+gold333 2008 aero ;) and 2011 blown and double diffuser

Except for vettel

Top Gear proved that being under the influence of a mustache reduces your driving ability tho...

@@aydankhaliq2967 Look at the date of the comment though

Sebastian Vettel: hold my beer

Porridge boss, Vettel and Ricciardo

Phillip kim its not funny....its sad!!!

Very sad how F1 isnt fun any more!

Except maybe disposable components for qualifying. What do they add to the sport except expenses for all teams?

I've trust recently started to get interested in F1 (it was always fun to watch, but much like any other sport, it's a lot more fun if you know the rules); can you tell me what specifically and why it's illegal in F1?

Occams Razor the driver can't change turbo boost, stiffness, balance etc. You can't have two different engines for qualifications and race, both are made with one engine. Also qualifications tyres are baned too. You do qualifications in the same tyres compound as in the race.

Zach Haus The power of turbo charged engines ;)

of REAL Turbo Engines not the shit today

Zach Haus Hydrolic valves too, as well at stroke reduction and super high compression.

11k RPM is pretty low, isn't it?

Stubbari For F1 yes.... Honda made a engine during the 90's that could safely run to 26k but with restrictions all F1 engines had to run at 20k

I know I laughed pretty hard at that. It's insane to think how far man has pushed such a simple thing as an internal combustion engine in only a 100ish years

+Brett Eloff good observation, they don't need precision under 6k, but over... hehehe

Idle at 4k

+Brett Eloff My car's rev limiter is at 5500rpm ._.

the v10s, at least some of them had the idle at 9000 rpm.

Maybe mileage makes it better?

@@kerimca98 yes, because Engineblock tension in a used Block not exist.

Imagine running that thing without any restrictions to aero. Shit would prob keep up with the 2000 V10s, maybe even the F2004

​@@LukeTansiongco well yes. That is if it can last as long as those precious V10s.

​@@LukeTansiongcoImagine if it had modern tires Would keep up with the W11 at Monza

No we don't

@@Spyker8921 From a monetary perspective I totally agree. That would be a terrible waste and would make racing harder for the smaller teams. From a regulatory view, or lack thereof, I am all for it. Innovation is F1's heritage and there is very little of that going on right now.

These are two cars, two identical cars. Wrong again! The one on the left is from 2016, has no power, drives clinical as a train and has no sound at all while the car on the right is from 1986, has incredible power, spectacular wide rubber, sounds like a jet and is spitting flames.

kinetic static well done sir well done.

Charles Leax What do you mean no power?

The one on the left lasts 30 seconds for a one night pump and dump and the one on the right lasts 40 minutes for the right girl I aim to impress

lmao

keith murray Deadliest? Giles died in 82r. Elio died in practice in 86. Thats two deaths in turbo F1 cars. Most died last 60s and 70s in N/A cars. INfact the ford cosworth v8 DFV powered omething like 98% of all F1 and F3000 deaths.

triptechable I meant to say one of the deadliest era's in f1, not the worst. 60's-70's were definitely alot worst.

The deadliest era in f1 was in the 60s and early 70s. 1976 was the first full season without a driver fatality, then the slowly stopped becoming normality after 82 the wasn't a death in f1 for 12 years until imola, 1994.

keith murray It wasn't all that exciting to watch, I remember dreaming about the 70's when people would actually pass and the cars sounded like race cars.

crusherbmx I garauntee it was more exciting than today's racing just saying.

That’s for the BMW motor I belive

Yes more weight but way more durable with heat cycling.

That IS interesting 🤔

imagine fitting that engine into a 1996 toyota corolla

@@fargeeks Or an old GT86. Oh yeah, now we're talking :)

​@@fargeeks They would explode after few short kilometers at max setting.

It makes the sport a lot more interesting IMO.

Hypercar

@@antonman1234 A bit more...

@@WynnofThule more then double of a hypercar :D

x=1450(hp)*1000(kg)/555(kg)=2612hp per 1 metric tonne.

2610

they were called pilots back then

The 'swarm of bees' as it was often called...

Cause it is. The fuel used for qualifying, its chemistry is very rich in toluene. Its almost like napalm just a few ingredients away.

@@jannadrielcervo7753 What diesel and aluminium salts? Not sure that would run well.

Overfuelling Likely helps keep temps down whilst turbo is cramming in as much air that will fit in and out

Indeed

this f1 engine is based of m10 engine, which is fitted on bmw 1500, 1600, 2000, 2002, e12, e21, e28 and e30 series, i know about a formula car having this m10 engine inside, produces 750hp on n/a...n54 will not support this anyway, as we said, grandpa's ar the best!

Thats like saying "Dont worry everything will be... RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!"

Yea.....Pretty much :P

:D..........

Which are incredibly advanced and efficient and also have a enormous amount of power from such a minuscule capacity (650-700hp)... Not to mention the turbo and Energy Recovery System's in place to make up the complete power unit (additional 180-200hp). This is complete sarcasm of course!!! HAHA This is the future, like it or not... Unfortunately this is the way F1 is going... But the technology now is amazing, you have to admit... With F1 presently, it's always a win/lose situation :(

Nothing like these cars!

They look retarded as hell, just like 90% of open wheel cars.

​@@teresashinkansen9402Because they are indeed retarded. Unsafe, waste of money and time, and ungodly amounts of pollution.

A very very old-school fighter! Full 1950s Chuck Yeager stuff.

lawnmowers sounds far better than present F1 cars

That's an insult to lawnmowers😂

A slingshot?

@@air_ yep - in Australia we called them a Shanghai. I’ve no idea why. We just did.

@@air_ yep - they got called a slingshot as well - but also a Shanghai. No idea why.

​@@Revheadrev Were those slingshots yellow or made out of rice?

I agree, F1 is boring at the moment, I would rather watch the Wec races because at least their racing.

maverick buckley Why Maverick? Why is that whinging. Have you ever been to an F1 race or for that matter even seen the old turbo's? I have seen most versions of F1 live... the current one is terrible. Cheers

+maverick buckley lol

Who the hell even watch his new F1?

jeez, get with the times, everything is electric now. you dont wish u still have your old brick phone instead your iphone do you? we all love the pure mechanical cars, we all do. but you cant always live in the past.

Damn right my man. Bernie should have to drive in one of the old Ferrari F1's for ten laps... then we might just see a show again.

Considering all this isn't it good that F1 isn't controlled by Bernie anymore? Liberty Media, an American company, owns F1 today.

that isn't the reason they're losing fans......Nor is it that simple. Don't be dumb.

This is absolutely incorrect. Much of the regulation in F1 exists to encourage competition, and ensure that teams with less money can compete with teams with more money. If there were no limitations to what a team could do, the teams that spend a billion dollars a year would be in an entirely different league than teams spending closer to 100 million a year.

I read the comments and I hope you like only big 3 winning the races, no imagine 2 separate parts for qualy and race, only the big 3 would start a race, the cost is enormous this time with the regulations, there is no chance f1 would not work like that.

Now for the balls. Identical. Wrong! One hangs lower than the other, the left for qualifying, the other for the race.

One is for the right foot, and the other?.. for the LEFT foot...

One can walk for full race distance. The other can go only for four fast laps before it wears out

My right boot is normal, but the left? There's a snake in my boot!

Even Jackie would think that was funny!!

David Lyon there is not TC since 2008.

David Lyon traction control is already banned....

It wouldn't be reliable and tree huggers don't like how race cars aren't efficient enough. Soon racing will be neutered to people racing in prius'

David Lyon when F1 WAS F1.. Good old slicks, 40 degree celcius, high octane fuel, V12 WITH turbos, no abs, no traction, just pure skill

Eirik Mæhlum v12 turbos? never happened.

Track Days. Haha

Track Days. Hahaha, yeah, was wondering myself. They probably had the settings written down.

jackie probably fixed it, he is well known for being very involved in the setup of his cars. Also a 3 time wdc, vs only 1 for alan jones. PS chill i'm just trolling.

Haha I was thinking that too messing with those knobs like it’s no big deal

They know their settings, LOL! You don't play around to set them, it's a science.

Never got to see the race in Adelaide but Albert park is very hard to find a good spot to watch the action.

Where in Adelaide did you live?

Adelaide only lost the GP because of tobacco advertising regulations. So unbelievable to see this much power with no traction control and stupid flappy paddle gear changes. I used to watch tjese races when I was in high school.

Cameron Webster ...Adelaide lost the GP because of political ineptitude and indecision, not tobacco laws... They actually adjusted the law so it didn't effect the GP... Adelaide should have become the Monaco of the South keeping the race here forever and even becoming a night race...A tragedy I will NEVER forgive the S.A Government for.....

and the cars were very basic, requiring much more physical effort to wrangle and keep on the track. The steering is so incredibly smooth and precise on the modern cars, sort of like riding a bucking bronco vs. a cheetah haha.

That's just not true. The ERS is 160hp.

@@Spyker8921 Don’t blame me, I’m not an expert.

Well, that's only kind of true. The current V6 hybrids can output those kind of figures over a race distance. While these 80's turbo engines only made those over 1000hp figures in qualifying trim and would blow up if driven over 5 laps. They were tuned way down for races. Most of them in the range of 700-950 hp in race trim.

@@kekkonenprkl Yep you’re right max boost would not last that long.

That crazy bastard was one handing the wheel in a 1400+ horsepower car

i hope he was using HIS hand, not mine

Certainly in terms of B.B.C. commentary. How I miss Walker & Hunt !

i dunno, most motorcycle-motorsports have advanced a great deal since the 80's

True words

Except for superbike racing. Right now the Isle of Man TT is breaking the lap record almost every single year. The rate of development is ridiculous.

EXACTLY

Was that the same James Hunt who won a championship?

@@n0tepad yeah

Totally agree...I don’t even watch F1 these days. You can trace the decline in interest (for me anyway) to when MW packed it in.

Imagine a V10 turbo Extra undrivable

@James Tudor Jackie Stewart was the one, explaining the car

Not sure if you know that another reason for additional fuel is to help cool the combustion chamber, thus the black smoke during qualifying..

@@zetecryt some idiots would think that those f1 cars were rolling coal

Pffft its easy, you just need an accelerator with 3-4 foot of travel.

andrewesquivel gave me a chuckle

When F1 steering wheels actually looked like a steering wheel

dude thats a great idea for street cars, i bet if you cancel the egr system, weld a o2 sensor bung on the manifold, it happends to be the same exact size and treads than a spark plug, use an old ig coil to ignite the unburnt fuel, generally a/f is very rich before boost kicks in at wot, im sure its enough fuel to not need any injector

Why didn't they have a supercharger to take up the lag and one huge turbo? Was it a weight or space issue? Or both?

@@retrocompaq5212 Yep, I misremember. When the driver lifts his foot from the gas pedal, the ignition timing is altered with sometimes 40° or more of delay (retard) and the intake air and fuel supply mixture is made richer. The inlet butterfly is kept slightly open or an air injector, bypassing the inlet butterfly, is used to maintain air supply to the engine. This results in air/fuel mixture that keeps getting in the combustion chambers when the driver no longer accelerates. The ignition being severely delayed, the air/fuel mixture reaches the exhaust tubes mostly unburned. When the spark plug fires, the exhaust valve is starting to open due to the ignition delay mentioned above. Additionally, the exhaust temperature being extremely high, the unburned fuel explodes at the contact of the exhaust tubes. Luckily the turbo sits right there and the explosion keeps it turning (otherwise it would slow down since its intake, the exhaust gases, is cut-off)

@@JoshPhoenix11 Superchargers have massive parasitic loss, hence why no real performance vehicles use compound boosting. Its extremely inefficient and only good for looking cool.

Drag cars disagree.@@MVSTNGGT

Exactly. I love how so many tout the sounds of this era of engine and then mistakingly call them V10/12's. Or bring up "driver aids" making the cars of today easier to drive proving they almost certainly dont watch F1 since all aids have been banned for years now.

@Anal Creampie You might want to read the reply _right_ above yours

The Problem is its hard to drive and 1.6l highly boosted turbo engine with an 2 second turbolag^^ i like it but other dont.

Yup, the F1 cars of 2020 is much, much faster on the tracks. Cornering, G forces, brakes and handling. Today we see flat out +200mph cornering. Those old cars would spin off at 100mph,- and kill the driver.

@@jrnmadsen2710 None of the tracks are the same. Some of these cars are still being driven. With modern tire compounds the 80s Quattro absolutly demolished the modern quattro by more than a second. I wouldnt doubt some of these F1 monsters would give modern cars a good fight.

the teams also had to weld a steel plate under the seat to support their massive weight.

Sideways with 1400hp!

You can see the car kicking and wagging the whole time, they had steel nerves to control these beasts

Yeah and without those awful flappy paddle things and fancy aerodynamics, these guys had to actually drive the cars , this is when F1 had soul

😂 soul...

@@christineayres5339 the new cars look way better.

@@zokay1121 lmfao trolling me 😂😂😂