@@markpagtama7954 the Noctowl ash had and the red gyarados sparkle when coming out of their pokeball, those are shinies, shinies dont just have a different coloration than normal, they sparkle, i thought the word shiny came about because of the sparkle they have, most of the ones he named are just color variations like vivilon, not shinies
I think the Lapras mom being a pale colour was just to signify that she's old and weathered. There's really no easy ways to age a Pokémon, they seem ageless lolol
That and to make her stand out, as they all look indistinguishable. It would take away from the emotion, if you were distracted by not knowing, who the baby and who the mom is.
I actually just watched that very episode and the pokémon professors talk about the pokémon being , and I quote, “Regional Variations”. It’s not so out of the question to think that perhaps when coming up for ideas on their latest games they looked back at Season 2 of the anime and decided to expand upon the idea of regional variations. Further more, with Pinkan Island, At one point Ash’s pikachu eats a berry and it’s tail béguins to turn pink. Officer Jenny tells them that If the pokémon where to stop eating the berries, they would turn back into normal colors. I don’t think it is fair then to consider these Shiny Pokémon.
@@Fobia17 it was also before shiny pokemon even existed (gen 1) so that excuse doesn't work. They fall under the definition of a regional pokemon form better than shinies. Just because it was unintentional doesn't mean it would still count
@@ashleymoore2692 except the orange island season aired the same year the G/S released. And remember the big hook? The GS ball! I would say that shiny Pokémon were well established behind the scenes, at that point. I very specifically remember connecting them in my head, the first time I heard about shiny Pokémon
The Orange islands and Pinkun island is more of a regional variant style rather than shiny. Edit: The passimian is more of island variant rather than shiny. The snowmen Snorlax are indeed regional variants. Just because it wasn’t a thing back then doesn’t mean that wasn’t the original intention.
Jacob Strangman Technically they are. They’re not from any specific region and separate from the main regions which means they’ve become variants from the island they lived on and benign separate from the main regions
The pink butterfree that was introduced before shinies existed? Yeah, we can consider that a shiny. Different-looking pokémon from other regions before regional variants existed? Not regional variants.
@@legoworld246 That’s not how that works at all. If it’s from a different region and had differences in appearance that are vastly different than just color, like body alterations like the snowmen snorlax. Then it’s a regional variant. The butterfree May have been the shiny variant before the official was finalized or even a gender difference. Course the episode is older, and I grew up on it.
@@HerobrineSings The point I was making is that he considered the differently colored butterfree a shiny despite shinies not existing yet, while not considering the different versions of pokémon that existed on those islands as regional variants because those didn't exist yet.
My favorite part of Stadium was how all the Pokemon had slightly differnt tints so your Pikachu could be anything from bright yellow to deep orange. I really wish the main games had incorporated that. It really increased attachment to your specific mons.
*Everyone:* Bye Bye Butterfree is the saddest episode of the Pokémon anime! *That one episode where a Stoutland literally freaking dies:* _Am I a joke to you?_
My sister expected Pokémon being shiny as in sparkling throughout the whole battle But she got what she wanted AND alternate colors what she wasn’t happy about-
i dont think those magikarp are shinies they feel more like whatever vivillon's deal is. they arent just colour pallete swaps they have different patterns as well.
According to the Ruby dex entry, Kecleon can change its body colour except for the stripe on its belly, so it actually makes more sense that colour differences in Kecleon is shown on the stripe. As for the purple Kecleon, maybe it likes the colour and decides to be purple instead of green as its default?
@@mr.preston1632 Maybe it was partly that. But it seemed like it was there to show that her fire bending was especially powerful and burned with greater intensity. When her fire ignited other stuff or dissipates it turns orange and red like regular fire.
Yeah, I could agree they are more like regional or variant forms rather than false shinies. I don't think different colors are enough of a definition of shiny. I think that also has to do with rarity and the little sparkle. Many Pokémon have alternate forms that are alternate colorations, even beyond regional variants, though interestingly there are a lot of alternate colors inconsistent with the main series games, it's still crazy to think about.
5:46 "I am very confident that most of you have seen what is probably the saddest of the Pokemon anime of all of them, that being, Bye Bye Butterfree" Memories In The Mist from the SM anime would like to speak to you Michael
#001 Yeah I figured it would be a contender. One can argue it being the saddest episode considering what happens later in the series, which I won't spoil.
I don’t think the Magikarps count as wrong shinies. They seem more like color variants like with spinda or vivillon to me (and I would actually really love it if they were in the main series game), but I get where you’re coming from
I find it adorable that the Pikachu smash alternate skins are mostly Pikachu wearing the hat of the male protagonist from each region. Pikachu is super cute in hats and I like the references that were made.
I feel that a better title for this video would use “odd alternate color” over “wrong shiny”. (In fact, alternate color was the original official name for shiny until Gen IV or V)
Actually, the reason they didn't use the shiny colorations in Pokken Tournament is because they have a lore reason for the color change. That little striped sweatband is what causes the color change, and they even have an animation/light flash at the start of the match to show them switch colors.
As a kid I wanted business cards, my family member made them for me with Butterfree on them. His printer was running low on ink so the cards came back with pinkish Butterfree
Angel_of_Light2007 my theory is that the magilarp used in the game were likely bred to be the colors they are for so long that they’re just about as common as regular in that area now. Kind of like how koi are just regular carp bred to look prettier
Seth McMahon Some of these pokemon on the list shouldn’t be shinies in my opinion. Deoxys and Lapras don’t change enough to be the new shinies, and Toxapex has a better official shiny rn. This is all just my opinion of course.
Honestly, it feels wrong to call these "wrong" shinies. Perhaps "unusual shinies" would be a better way to word it, don't you think? Also, for the alternate colors in Pokken, I wouldn't even call those shinies because the Pokemon aren't even those colors. As can be seen when they're sent out, the 2nd player uses a normal version of that Pokemon, which then has alternate colors projection mapped onto their bodies using what must to some form of futuristic hologram technology. This is also something clearly made for the sake of the Pokken league, as all of them have a red, blue, and green stripe along their body to indicate that they're battling with Pokken colors
Lui Jesus the thing is, “Shiny” has a definition in the Pokèmon world, and while calling them “wrong” is not technically correct, they are, by definition, shiny.
@@M3G4T3RR4 Then wouldn't you consider regional variants to be shiny? Bc that's what many of these examples are in the video. Shiny is still understood to be a specific thing. This video has many examples that arent considered shiny due to the understanding of what a shiny is, no matter what the definition is. Definitions are not the defining factors of language. It is the understanding of the idea being communicated between person A and person B. Definitions can be helpful, but they can be flawed and not describe the meanings of words as they are understood.
The Orange Islands part of the anime ended before Pokemon Gold & Silver released. So the mother Lapras, Pinkun Island, and Valencia Island pokemon, were all featured in the anime before shiny Pokemon existed in the games, just like the Pink Butterfree. You can check and see the original air dates of the Anime episode in Japan, and compare that to the Japanese release date of Gold & Silver.
I usually don't cry when there's a sad episode but bye bye butterfree and the one episode where ash thinks Pikachu is happier with the other Pikachu so he trys to leave pikachu, are the saddest episodes I literally cried on both of them because I had a big liking for those two pokemon
See, I feel like many of the things you're counting as shiny are actually regional and area variants. Like, I understand they fit in the definition you're using, but many are obviously not meant to be considered shiny pokemon. Language isnt just decided by definitions. They can be helpful, but meanings of words are determined by the underlying understanding of the message being transferred from person A to person B. Many of these examples are not within what people consider to be shiny, bc shiny pokemon are a specific thing and not something as broad as the definition suggests. If anything, it just proves the definition is flawed and needs to be fixed.
This is actually ture as it is what Professor Ivy is actually researching in the Orange Island. If we were ever going to get a game based in the Orange island they would most likely be new Regional forma
Here: I just want to note that none of these are ‘wrong shinies’ because the majority of them aren’t shinies. Bulbapedia is a *fan made* website. It isn’t official. A shiny has a different coloration, but just because a pokemon is colored differently doesn’t make it a shiny.
Especially since the term shiny relates to the sparkle effect it has at the start of battle and the colour change Not relating to the term. Also Nintendo didnt use the term before gen 5 or 6
@@Cr1msonFoxx no you weren't, you gave no examples whatsoever. Secondly SO DOES BULBAPEDIA??? Almost everything on that site is sourced from official media, that's why it's so trustworthy as a source. Unlike random anons in RU-vid comments.
I wish they would add some of the Magikarp Jump variations to the game, as alternate variants of normal Magikarp (like how Floette has different colored flowers). Some of the designs are really cool.
The pinkan Island pokémon are understandable as it's possible in real life. Pink flamingos are born with white feathers but due to their diets of pink krill and other such things, their feathers change color as they age. The pinkan berries are doing the same thing with the pokémon.
Violet is between blue and purple on the colour spectrum. Though I doubt that they’re very specific about the ‘violet’ shade they use, it’s probably just a random purple shade. The same way as taking a random yellow shade and calling it ‘sunshine’.
@@AimzS94 Violet is between blue and ultraviolet on the spectrum. Purple is just a perceived color when you mix red and blue. Violet can actually be seen when you split light using a prism. And Violet has wavelengths therefore is an actual color on its own. Purple can only be made by mixing red and blue.
@@toxichulk1124 never in my life thought I would see COLOURS mansplained, but here we are. Some people need chill pills, how do you get through life wound so nitpicky
Fun fact: the pink Butterfree is actually referenced in silver and gold via a person’s dialogue that they saw a pink Butterfree once, makes shiny Butterfree not being pink much worse, Pokémon better give us a version of Butterfree that is pink in the future…
I believe that the Zygarde core's hexagons were meant to match up with the colours on 100% form's chest, so there would be five different cores; red, blue, orange, purple and white. But I guess they gave up on that...
Fun fact, in the anime, toxicroak (my favorite pokemon) is always depicted as having turquoise skin like it's in game shiny sprite, except that its poison sack and spikes stay red like it's normal sprite instead of pinkish purple like the official shiny sprite. It's interesting to me that every toxicroak in the anime is technically a wrong shiny because they never draw it with its standard dark blue skin.
trying to steal items from the shops that pop up in dungeons in PMD was one of the scariest mistakes younger me made. never looked at kecleon the same way since
Yeah you really have to be careful with kecleon if your going to try to steal from kecleon I would have a trawl orb or a pure seed but if your going to use a trawl orb make sure you use it near the stairs and make sure kecleon is not near you either when you use it
I remember the 1st time I saw a Keckleon shop in a dungeon I wasn't aware that saying No after taking an item would result in an army of them attacking you. It's not like Red & Blue Rescue teams bothered to tell you this stuff in the games themselves.
Speaking of Butterfree, TV Tropes informs that the anime kind of didn't mean to accidentally, unintentionally, unknowingly made Ash's Butterfree -homosexual,- due to the one he fell in love with not having the distinctive female patches on the wings. This was fixed in the first reboot movie.
When it comes to different patterns like on Butterfree's wings and Vileplume's petals, I like to think of them as regional forms. Especially since ALL the Butterfree in that area looked like that. As for all the others, I'd love to see them do a second shiny color in the future. Instead of two different types of sparkles (stars vs squares in Sword and Shield), I'd really love to see a second actual shiny, so you could for example find a regular Charizard, a black Charizard or a purple Charizard. Perhaps a regular Gengar, the barely noticeable shiny Gengar we know now, or a white Gengar, etc. They could be the real super rare "ultra shinies" that people have been calling their square shinies, lol.
So if the pokemon anime and pokemon games are different multiverses so that means those wrong shiny forms in the anime are actually the regular shiny forms in the anime
@@jedi_cat_l4976 reread what's your first reply was. Because it means you really dont understand the whole multiverse concept. We seen in the anime that other multiverses can interact with each other. (Mentioning XY anime) Also there are shinies that can change. (Like the video stated that Charizard Shiny changed.) So we cant say that there are correct and incorrect shinies. (Unless it's not from the pokemon company like Smash.)
@@jedi_cat_l4976 what he means is that every universe is different. He means that the anime universe shiny pokemon arent fixed to one shiny, you moron. Your reply made my brain fart. The whole point of the multiverse is that things are different per universe, bafoon.
Drinking game: take a tiiiiiny, tiny sip every time he says “therefore, _____ is a wrong shiny” UPDATE: Do not do, currently on the wait list for a liver transplant
TBH that different Butterfree in the Orange Islands seems more like a regional variant than a shiny form... especially since literally ALL the Butterfree were like that there.
The mother lapras's color being lighter like that might had just been a way to show how old that Lapras was because as human get older our skin tone tens to change as well
16:49 there is actually 2 deoxys it’s not a wrong shiny because it never was shiny this is because deoxys is from space and was never confirmed in any game or episode of Pokemon so there could be a yellow deoxys
Headcanon - Orange islands variants is our first introduction to regional variants Although my headcanon is also that we have regional variants from generations in subtle ways like gen 3-5 gengar having levitate - that can pass imo as a regional difference, doesn’t all have to be design changes
Wouldn't it be cool if instead of one standard shiny, Everytime you encountered a shiny in game the color would be randomly generated! That way everyone with a shiny would have a totally unique Pokemon
"the pink" butterfree was made pink to differ the GENDER for the audience. also i believed they made lapras 's mother a lighter shade of blue to allow the audience differ it from the other lapras. *Pokemon Genders from the show are often showed differently for a easier way to differ* so they might not be shinies but the show presenting the different genders.
The next Kanto remake should include the Orange Islands or the Orange Islands should get it's own game. Granted the Orange Islands probably inspired the Alola, but it's not exactly the same, I think it'd be cool for players to finally be able to catch a Crystal Onix.
Did I miss it- or was crystal Onix not on the list? Also it definitely seems like at least those Butterfree and Vileplume on the orange islands were regional variants, same with the Snorlax- but I think they were still a cool inclusion on the list. Great vid!