Hey Aluxers, what do you think Citroen can do to improve? Make sure to join: www.alux.com ASTON MARTIN: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iPUOISaVzuw.html
Hi Alux. You made a very effective pick for a narrator. If it's ok to ask, Who is your narrator? Perhaps you can make her a Twitter account, and official one. I'd. be really nice to see the face behind the voice. God bless, Proverbs 31
Do another DS which was supposed to be the C6... and don't EVER ditch the hydropneumatic suspension which is simply a miracle of engineering. Please make smaller models like the GS also using the hydropneumatic suspension. A great brand from a great country... Vive La France!
yes hydropneumatic is the very best. I drive a ds in Québec and a 2cv. I also have a C6 who is waiting in France 2 years again because of the stupid law before comming to Canada. C6 is complicated but......wow! Hoping Citroën comme back in Canada one day!
To answer the question, Citroën should keep developing the Hydroactive ™ suspension. Produce electric hydraulic pump powered vehicles with hydraulic motors in each wheel. Four wheel steering via hydraulic motors all computer controlled. This technology is most important for commercial vehicles as they carry sensitive equipment. It is also important counties like Australia where rough roads are common.
This will be awesome. An EV Vitroe with hydropheneumatic computerized suspension. I have a CX prestige and want to have it rebuilt and changed to EV. Just don't know who will do it perfectly and affordably.
Diesotto The one I've driven is the C3 (2013) but all of them are bad to drive. Unresponsive steering, horrible gear lever, smallest rear space, unreliable, uncomfortable. The list goes on
Hux cannot argue with you. but i guess it's not wright approach to evaluation of car brand only by one model. agree? cause i have c-elysee '2017 and it's damn good. in comparison with rivals within segment of course and worth buying definitely. an i'm pretty sure they have much more good models. peace✌
You forgot to mention to Citroen brought Heny Ford's production techniques to Europe. Citroen should win the contest if being the most innovative car company in the world.
We are still thinking back at our CX 2000 Pallas as our best performer in winter, the hydraulic suspension together with Michelin ZX tyres did get us out of any deep snow situations. When parked we dropped the car down as low as can be and when the car at night has been boxed in with compacted snow we lifted the car up to wheel change position and just drove out and off we went. With any other car, we always had to use a shovel to remove the snow so we could drive away. HWY driving was so smooth as, the car's self leveling suspension just adjusted itself to the speed driven and road conditions. Lean on the juice and dream to drive!
There is one thing missing in this video. And that is the slalom test or moose test, if that is the name. They test every car's ability to manoeuver away from obstacles, and how fast they can drive slalom between obstacles. The winner of that test, is the Citroën Xantia Activa. No other cars have managed to perform better that the Xantia Activa, which is a car model from 1994. None of today's cars can outperform it. The Xantia Activa had some very special anti-roll suspension. Here is a video of the Xantia Activa's suspension: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oMJbUsDZOzI.html
Citroën is THE best car manufacturer in the whole world! I have now my third Citroën car. If my car breaks down one day, which I don't think it will since it is the most reliable car I have had, I will buy another Citroën. But it has to be one with hydropneumatic suspension. Second hand Citroëns are cheap here in Norway, because everybody thinks it is low quality and will be very expensive to repair the hydropneumatic suspension. Well, I bought one that actually had low quality, the earliest model of Citroën XM. I got it almost for free. It had a lot of faults, but guess what, it did start every day and never broke down. My neighbours were angry, they had expensive cars that did not start and what not, while my old Citroën I paid nothing for, was up and running all the time. Early models of XM had quality issues, yes. And it was for the most the electronics that failed. But also some plastic things that fell off and stuff like that. But it is not like that anymore. The early XM had a good and reliable motor, and it did not rust. Citroëns don't rust at all. I have a C5 now. That is a high quality car. I have next to zero repair costs. And it will start and drive regardless of what. Even in -25 cold degrees celsius, without an engine heater. The suspension everybody is so afraid of. That is THE most reliable suspension ever. And the cheapest in terms of repair costs. I never ever have to replace any suspension parts, and never have to repair anything. The only thing I have to do is dump in a little hydraulic oil in the reservoir now and then. I have had 3 Citroëns with hydraulic suspension. The only cost I have had, even in my low quality early model of XM, is some hydraulic oil. The suspension is way cheaper and far more reliable than regular steel spring suspension. And of course ten times more comfortable and extremely useful in winter, when you just can raise the car and drive over piles of snow. Those who claim that Citroën has low quality and are unreliable cars, that is those who never have owned one. Us Citroën owners, we have experienced the high quality, high reliability, high comfort and the low cost of owning one. I will for sure never buy another brand. I had a Subaru once, that car did break down.
Lucky you. I owned a Citroën BX 19 TRS automatic. That was not a bad car, but it was expensive to maintain. Octopus in the hydrosuspension, 600 Euro. Resistor in dashboard fan, 500 Euro, wheel arms every three years 300 Euro, stranded with faulty thermostat twice, steering wheel fell in my lap once, oil rings around the engine valves, very, very expensive, stranded (in Norway!) with a broken generator, dashboard clock replaced twice and broke again 500 Euro in total, exhaust pipe full length, and still it rattled womewhere. I am not counting normal things like brake discs and the like. I owned it for six years. I now drive very cheap Japanese cars. This is not fun, but in six years I had ZERO defects. Not even a light bulb. So, I have good memories about the ride, of Citroën, but bad memories about the quality. But.... they did not rust. I have to give the BX that.
Since 1995 my wife and I have owned between us seven Citroën cars. (NZ new). Currently a 2013 C4 Exclusive purchased new and now at 30,000km. Plus a 2010 C5 Exclusive purchased with low kms and now at 64,000km. All cars have been very reliable, a pleasure to drive, especially the C5 with its superb luxury ride (Hydropnuematic) and multitude of features, some of which not found in many current vehicles. An added bonus is the extraordinary fuel economy of the C5 and yet adequate power, particularly hill climbing, and for what is a quite heavy (and solidly built) vehicle. Both cars still look and drive like new.
I just find it dumb that 6 headlights is too much for cars in my country, besides the last two headlights steer with the car, to help see the blind corners better.
Matthew Hull And it was beyond dumb not to allow variable-height bumpers, a Citroen hallmark along with the moving headlights. Nothing more than dumb protectionism. The US lawmakers' argument was "it's technology not invented here."
"Technology not invented here." That is the stupidest excuse I've heard from my country's politicians, I hope the descendants of those politicians have crappy lives for such racist crap.
matthew hull There is nothing particularly racist about it, but it IS very stupid and chauvinistic. In the US, we can't even switch to the metric system and be like the rest of the world. It's another example of resisting or prohibiting the "not invented here," except it's beyond stupid: the US system of measurements is British!
I bought my first Citroen last year. A 2005 C2. I must admit I am very impressed with this tiny little car and I enjoy driving it. I don't know about he rest of the world but it was just to expensive for the South African market to be as successful as it could have been.
citroen should keep hydropneumatic suspension and i think it is a good idea to put it to smaller cars like c4 or c4 cactus. also i think it should make a type of rebranding maybe or something cause the latest years has lost her benchmark through their rivals
Citroën cars are actually so underrated. Don’t know why, maybe cuz most people like to buy what other people buy and then there’s Citroën, a very unique car brand
For One they can bring forth the Citroën DS Shark Van one very unique and interesting design that no company would come close in manufacturing . A Winner For Sure
The difference was that the Traction Avant was the first MASS-PRODUCED front-wheel drive car, meaning that most anybody could afford one. The Cord, as fine of a car as it was, really wasn't designed for the everyman.
@@nateo2131 The L29 was still a very expensive car relative to most people's pockets. Not so with the Traction Avant, hence why it receives its title of first FWD mass-produced, affordable car.
citroen needs to advertise in australia through digital and radio and all platforms for about six mths and be aggressive if they want to incease sales in australia try that and it will sell more than 1500 units
Through time Citroen was the manufacturer of brilliant cars, amazing concepts always ahead of their time. Unfortunately, Citroen decided to go with the flow and waste its most valuable asset: the hydropneumatic suspension. I had so far a 75 GS, an 87 BX, a 95 Xantia, a 97 Xantia and now I have a 04 C5. All run excellently in that kind of suspension, combining a unique travel comfort and exceptional handling. I also had a 00 Saxo and a 10 Grand Picasso with normal suspension that had exceptional handling too, but not as comfortable as the hydro. I wish that Citroen would bring back that suspension. Then I would buy a newer model!!!
India have opened doors to almost all brands of the world. So far nobody dare bring Citroen to India. I had 2 Citroen CX at a time, in Dubai. One of them was built out of 2 damaged cars. I also had a Volvo 164E, very powerful and strong, where as Citroen was ultimate in luxury.
First they should bring back the hydractive suspension system or an improved system that will still offer ride quality, safety etc. Being a proud owner of 4 Citroens since 1974 - GS, D Special, BX and currently a C5 I wouldn't even consider another make of car. Unfortunately in today's economy it's all about the mighty dollar and the bottom line which makes it extremely difficult to build a "value for money" product at the consumer end. I feel the most important component in any modern vehicle (most are relatively safe, economical and overpriced) is reliability. From personal experience and what I've read Citroen would be one of the most reliable on the mass manufactured vehicle market - the problem that I've experienced is lack of available support/ service centre should something go wrong. It's great to get a 5-6 year warranty but if it's not backed up by the dealer network it's worthless, particularly in a vast country like Australia, USA, Canada etc. If you're in China - forget it. So how can Citroen improve? Easy! Build up a reliable service network throughout the country particularly in regional areas. Continue to build innovative, quality and reliable vehicles, as they have in the past, and create a marketing campaign around a satisfied customer/ dealer network - you can't beat word of mouth advertising. One other thing I can think of is honest and independent reviews by people from all walks of life not just paid for "professional reviewers" - how many of them own a Citroen? I hope this helps.
I am french. Thanks for this constructive comment. Most of what we can read about french cars are negative comments based on probably outdated recollections from an era when perhaps the vehicles were more cheaply constructed than nowadays. I personally praise the innovation spirit that you can find in this brand. Rather than copying the wannabe references, they dare proposing something different. i consider that this kind of brand deserves a lot of respect for this business approach, especially in today's world where the market analysis often ends up into 90% identical and boring cars. The conservative "good" and :trustworthy "brands, which purely go for the safe and riskless approach do not deserve any credit or reputation, they merely keep alive by vampirizing the ideas from innovators that test the reaction of the market. No glory here.
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A brick-and-mortar service network is very expensive to develop. I've thought up an alternative more affordable solution. Taking advantage of the technologies and connectivity, they could create an online assistance program. Your car would regularly send data to Citroën's assistance headquarters to detect failures even before they happened or could damage your car further. They would also provide specific information on how to periodically service your car and how to repair it, just like iFixit makes tutorials on how to replace different components of your laptop computer or smartphone. Finally, the spare parts and would be shipped using some reliable package delivery company or just selling them on Amazon. As an option, they could give you the blueprints of the damaged pieces to allow you to make yourself those pieces with a 3-D printer (mostly pieces made of some plastic material and not related to your car's safety features).
Er no because you Indian people can't even drive a car, people from your country in UK break about 14 times for nothing and drive at 10 kilometers so no
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@@jasonalder7025, that's because most of them are 1st-generation drivers, just like in China. Citroën could easily sell in India a car like the 2CV or the 2CV van redesigned to make its manufacture even cheaper using today's technologies, since no meaningful crash safety regulations are enforced in India.
To improve their business they should concentrate on their innovative suspension by simplifying and using electronic control for anti roll , self levelling and variable damping. They are the only manufacturer to have taken suspension design seriously..other car manufacturers efforts in this field are pathetic by comparison.
Again, Citroen must bring back the superior and original designs of their past such as the 2CV, DS, GS, CX and maybe even the Traction Avant to be offered in electric versions. Who wouldn’t like that?
Citroen is the car company that won the largest number of WRC rallyes with the ZX, C4 and even now. It was the first company to bring Henry Ford's mass production ideas to European car manufacturing. The Citroen CX has inspired most of the modern cars of today as its shape has been repeated over and over again up until the latest of the LJ Jaguars. The CX had a gradual steering system. The Citroen Xantia had the first active suspension in the world before Lotus or Mercedes. Needless to say that most mechatronics engineers wish to own a Citroen, packed with so much advances. It would be nice to drive a DS9 it is only sold in China.
Hi everyone ! As a french born and Citroen enthusiast I have enjoyed this video a lot. I remember when we could buy and own a DS in the US. I almost bought an ID model but did not because I felt it was underpowered ...(the DS was over my budget) but I have regretted this ever since I had a chance to drive and fall in love with the DS. But what I want to say is that the young woman does not really butcher the pronunciation of "Citroen: as much as some people say. On the other hand she and so many others could take a course on "Peugeot" pronunciation !... I have owned a 404 in the States and loved it ! I would also love to see both Peugeot and Citroen come back to the US. I saw the letters CITROEN on the Eiffel Tower and I think it was later than 1934, more like 1937 or so, I was a kid then on my first visit to Paris with my dad !
I fell in love with DS, but got my heart broken when I found there is an SM , one day with winning ticket of EuroJackpot, I will buy them all =) until then I can only dream =)
The pronunciation tho...from a brit who is a citroën fanatic here is some help. Peugeot (Per-j-oh) Citroën (Sit-Ron..or to be professional sit-row-en and its said quite fast) Picasso (pick-ass-so) Also the picasso is no more it's now called the spacetourer range as they claim that picasso is an unwanted name between medium and large cars. The C5 is discontinued apart from the new C5 aircross. PSA is planning to send some cars out to America meaning that Americans will finally be able to have good cars. Also some of the 'China' only cars arent China only. The suspension in many cars such as the DS through to the X7 C5 had hydropneumatic suspension which included small orbs connected to each wheel where if the wheel hit a ditch or a rock a small piston would compress some nitrogen creating a cushion effect. They unfortunately stopped this as it didnt work for their vehicles but have tried to bring back the title of best suspension with their progressive hydraulic cushions and their active scan suspension. The DS7 used to transport the president was called DS7 La Prémiere and the car is on sale under the name DS7 Crossback with a starting price of £28000 throigh £45000 at the time of me writing this. The top of the range ultra prestige model includes autonomy and can take the wheel on many roads like the Tesla but for a LOT less money. Citroën are also one of the few manufacturers who take some of their concept cars and make them real such as the DS5 which has now been discontinued but back in 2010 it was just a concept of a car designed around an aircraft cockpit but in 2012 the car was released publicly and I own one myself and it's beautiful. Citroën were also one of the first car manufacturers to put disc brakes on their cars and were well known for it as the only others cars at the time were American and didnt sell as they were overpriced and weren't very good in general so Citroën aas dub ed the first disc brake users. The traction avant was also dubbed first car with front wheel drive even though there were already some but like the disc brakes the other manufacturers failed and the cars didnt take off so Citroën took the title instead. Citroën also had one of the first autonomous cars as with the original DS the suspension was so smooth that it allowed an autonomous system to take over and drive up to 80mph. At the time no other car could do this as the rough suspension didnt allow that technology to perform correctly. This was only a concept and was not released. Also, DS has now split from Citroën while still trading under the Citroën name they are now DS automobiles which is the luxury side of PSA. And a final note is the Groupe PSA now own Citroën, Peugeot, DS Automobiles and Vauxhall.
my father use to drive a Citroen ds 23 for his boss all over France as his personal driver and I had the chance to see and drive with him at times, I love this car and as a mechanic my dream is to own a Citroen. I worked for Mercedes and other brands but until this day I have not see a more innovative car than the ds 21. So I laugh when I see people bragging about ford product or other brand cause I know what is the best car ever built.
Love them heaps. In Australia I have owned 17 over a period of 50 years come December 2021, including 3 x 2CV6s over 42 years travelling 550,000 kms powered by 2 cylinders. PS - 2CV was made 1948 to 1990 - 42 years, not 50 per your video. Vive La Diffence! Magnifique.
I have been planning to distribute Citroen China-made cars in the Philippines because it is the last formidable car model that has not been thought of before. I used to be the General Manager of China Dong Feng Philippines but when they rejected my plan to sell Citroen in our country, I decided to resign hoping for somebody to support me on the distributorship plan.
The woman who read the names read them terribly. She spells Charles like the English way although it should be spelled Sharl. She sleeps Citroën incorrectly as well
Citroen is THE most unique and "controversial" car in the entire car industry worldwide. It had a host of innovative tech features way ahead of its time, most notably its hydro-pneumatic suspension and directionally-controlled headlights. No other car from Europe or US or Japan comes close. The "DS" series in the 1960s was a classic example in point. An under-rated car brand that should try to revive its heydays.
It is probably still the best riding car in the world. Strange why others have not adopted the marvelous suspension system particularly in premier cars. It soaks up bumps like few others
Well those facts are connected.. After Citroen was banned in USA, they lost big part of export market and bankrupted. Second thing, about hydropneumatic suspension. It was reliable guys..but not in last generation. Last desing was pretty awfull and prone to fails. It was designed without fail safe return pipes.
Citroen can be more aggressive in their branding and position themselves as cars with innovative technology and driving sensation like no other.In fact, in comparison with its' other half i.e. Peugeot,the comfort and ride in a Citroen much better!
I would love something like a modern version of the DS, even an electric version. The problem is that European cars in general are not liked here in Australia by mechanics as they are often far more difficult to repair and service than Japanese cars. I believe that Citroen is one of the worst in the this regard. Another area where European cars need to improve for Australia is for the paintwork and interiors to be more durable in the Australian sun as are the Japanese cars.
+Crash Box In mid-1939 a pilot run of 250 cars were built. Hitlers invasion of France saw the cars and dies were dismantled and hidden, so the Nazis could not make use of their production.
Use the all new Peugeot 3008 as a baseline. Citroen makes cost-effective versions while DS makes the higher end models. SUV is key. Make smaller ones and make bigger ones.
Citroen already has the engineering for quality. As with most things French, they suffer from the bad French image. When people think European tech they think Germany. They forget the excellent companies like Alstom, Airbus, EADS and Thompson, all world leaders. Their general reputation in the US is of wine drinking coward farmers and hookers. Of course, all BS. What I think would be good is to make a head-on humor based advertising campaign with famous American spokespersons. Kind of like the old VW ads, attacking the unjust French image. Opening some production like in Michigan, or somewhere US would really help too! Renault bought 50.1% of Nissan to overcome the French image. It's time for a frontal attack!
Having inherited a Traction Avant from my father, I'm at a loss what to do with it. It's in pieces with the engine, front fenders bifolding hoods, grill and radiator in perfect condition. But the rest of the car sat outside 16 years before being placed inside. Most people haven't even heard of a Citroen in the States, witch was explained very well in the vid.
Citron should have built three sports cars a base model type everyday car for the masses $100,000 car and a 400 to $500,000 supercar with its prime beneficiary if suspension setupand it's technology of road surfaces and handling . While I'm dreaming an off-roader that's the Good everyday ride height and an off-road jacking up to about 2 feet for some serious off-road action a step ahead of everybody else
I like Citroens, but if you're going to make a hard headed decision, then there's usually a better alternative (Fords, VWs etc). They make a great second hand buy in the UK, because most people distrust them.
They should remain resolute and stand their grounds on their design philosophy...it is an unfair world but once English doesn't dominate again,other manufacturers will be out in their place...Citroen peugeot have the greatest vehicle designers of all time....they should concentrate their market in Asia Africa and Europe...forget about the rest...they will soon coming begging for Citroens...the French car designers are just too distinctive in their way of thoughts...Citroen ds5 feels like an aircraft!!!
Peugeot is their Sugar Daddy....and is expanding to previous Markets they once had....including North America. However,if the French don't make remarkable and consistent improvements in build quality,reliability, and durability with their questionable FWD Platforms...they will once fail again in the highly-competitive US car Market. We consumers here the USA have been spoiled and conditioned with Rock-Solid Accords,Civics,Camry, and Corolla Common-Rail Platform variants.....we expect all other vehicles to meet the Toyota-Honda Standard for reliability/durability.....they may lack character....but a Toyota/Honda will always get you there without draining ones' wallet....and that's for decades with just minor upkeep and maintenance.
We don't buy American Branded passenger cars....only the Government, Fleet buyers and Rental car companies buy American cars in sufficient quantity. It's why Toyota/Honda rule the roost in Retail sales of passenger cars in North America.
Creo que existe un sentimiento muy extendido en cuanto a la desaparición de la suspensión hidroactiva. Si hay(había) un factor totalmente diferencial y que suponía una asociación de ideas inmediata, esta era Citroën/hidroneumática. Paúl Magès, inventó algo totalmente mágico para la época. Citroën a mi entender pierde su esencia al matar y enterrar lo que en parte la hacía única. ¿Motivos económicos y de plataformas(no poder usarlas en otras marcas del Grupo Stellantis por tener que alvergar espacio para el sitema hidroneumático...esferas, bombas etc.) supongo que estarán detrás de esta decisión? Aunque Peugeot...quizá tiene algo que ver... Enterrar esta mínica suspensión es un varapalo para muchos aficionados a Citroën, que elegían los mismos en un porcentaje considerable porque eran únicos. Por lo menos sería deseable que esta gran suspensión pudiera ser montada en vehículos más presatacionales como pudira ser el DS9. Sus potenciales propietarios pagarían ese plus sabedores de que eligen un vehículo único. Aunque todo apunta a que ya no volverá a emocionar a tantos aficionados a la misma. Yo no compraría el último C5. Un saludo. P.d.: Habéis olvidado hacer referencia al , el Citroën C5 X7. El último en montar la mítica y diferencial suspensión hidroactiva 3+.
