1545: Listeners Call In - Responses to Brad Wilcox’s Talk

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Listeners join John to share their thoughts and feelings about how Brad Wilcox’s Alpine Fireside reflects on Mormonism.
Show Notes:
"Alpine Utah Mormon Youth Rescue with Brad Wilcox" on Mormon Stories
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"Top 10 Problems with Mormonism that Brad Wilcox's Speech Unveiled" on Mormon Stories
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September 13, 2020, fireside with Brad Wilcox, in which he claims that members who leave the church "lose their countenance"
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Brad Wilcox on Facebook simulates Joseph Smith putting his head in a hat to translate the Book of Mormon
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"Additional videos surface of Brad Wilcox making controversial comments on race," by Daniel Woodruff, KUTV, February 9, 2022
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"LDS leader Brad Wilcox apologizes for remarks about black members and former priesthood ban," by Peggy Fletcher Stack, Salt Lake Tribune, February 8, 2022
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Transcripts and analysis of three recent Wilcox firesides
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1993 "Talk to the All-Church Coordinating Council," in which Boyd K. Packer said the biggest threats to the Church are "feminists, homosexuals, and intellectuals" [The original speech has been removed from the Church's website]
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Steven Hassan's BITE model
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"Journey to Become," a 2015 Church-produced video encouraging members to cut off inheritance to their apostate children [The Church removed the original video within a day, and has used copyright claims to remove most copies from the Internet]
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"Young Men counselor apologizes for recent comments about race," by Jon Ryan Jensen, Church News, February 8, 2022
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Church leaders cut mic when 12-year-old Savannah talks about being gay
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"Mormon Influencer Discovers the CES Letter," Haleigh Everts on Mormon Stories
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Dallin H. Oaks on "Trib Talk," saying the LDS Church "doesn't seek apologies and we don't give them"
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Mormonism Live with Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel
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LDS Discussions
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Thrive Beyond Religion Upcoming Events
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Timecodes:
00:00:00 Introduction and opening remarks
00:06:02 Mike: Brad Wilcox believes in an aggressive and exclusionary Mormonism; he tries to scare youth into staying in the faith
00:12:47 Kate: Wilcox's frequent use of insults like "stupid" is degrading and may backfire with today's youth, who are more sensitive to bullying
00:15:56 Mike: How can Wilcox say life outside the church is so bad, when he's never been outside the church?
00:24:04 Randall: Apologists tie themselves in knots to make reality fit
00:31:03 Bek: Wilcox used his daughter playing at blessing the sacrament as an example of other religions "playing church"---because, as a girl, his daughter can't hold the priesthood and actually bless the sacrament
00:38:41 Carrie: The Church just deletes embarrassing past statements, rather than repenting for them; e.g., the Church produced a video encouraging members to cut off inheritance to their apostate children, then removed the video within a day and have used copyright claims to wipe most existing copies off the Internet [See show notes above for one of the few remaining copies]
00:45:09 The benevolent misogyny of saying women can enter the temple without the priesthood because women are "more righteous"
00:45:57 Suicidal implications of saying "life isn't worth living" without the Church
00:47:31 Spencer: Institutional racism in the Church goes far beyond Brad Wilcox; Wilcox didn't say anything that isn't LDS doctrine
00:56:28 Lacy: "We're teaching our youth to stand up for truth and righteousness---unless that means standing up to a Church leader"
00:59:33 Matt: Where was the spiritual discernment in allowing Wilcox to say these things for years?
01:05:42 Rita: In a mixed-faith marriage, where her never-Mormon, Baptist husband went to sacrament meetings with the family, and was told he could never receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost
01:13:31 Mark: "Wilcox is just toeing the line, but we never stop and ask what that line is": Manipulative, coercive talks prevent members from thinking critically and giving informed consent
01:18:07 Lightning round audience comments
01:54:38 Closing remarks
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@letahamilton 2 года назад

I am in the Never Mormon crowd that watches/listens to this show “religiously.” It’s so interesting. Thank you Randall for calling in.

@thisidahomomreports 2 года назад

The thoughts here apply to all aspects of society, IMHO. I find myself applying a lot of what is talked about here to a lot of aspects of my life. Just today, I was thinking how this all applies in just about every work force I have been apart of

@sgee-vc1hz 2 года назад

Like most LDS Church leaders, Wilcox takes his anti-Bible, anti-Christian views very seriously......

@thisidahomomreports 2 года назад

@@sgee-vc1hz 😆VERY SERIOUSLY, INDEED! Lol

@cc-mk2hp 2 года назад

@@sgee-vc1hzHe takes HIS views too seriously, following the example of the othe Mormon leaders who do the same... to the exclusion of reason and truth. Feels like idolatry.😣

@randomname4726 9 месяцев назад

I have never been in a religion, but find this content really interesting. I found this channel because I was watching a lot of documentaries on cults and there was an excellent Teal Swan episode on here. Then I found Zelph on the Shelf and love those guys.

@jaybravo2199 2 года назад

This humanizes a group of people often mischaracterized as fallen, sinners, covenant forsakers, and apostates. I'd like to see more of these in the future.

@thisidahomomreports 2 года назад

Agree!

@cc-mk2hp 2 года назад

@@thisidahomomreports Agree.❤

@Jack-eo5fn 2 года назад

Huge Congrats from Rhode Island, another never-Mormon and proud supporter of those of us who have clawed our way out of high demand religions. 👍👍👍

@maryclifford5921 2 года назад

Thx for the support🥰🥰

@unclemaui 2 года назад

I appreciated this format today. I’ve always avoided Mormon Stories, good things are not said about the show at church. So I never listened until recently. But this was great discourse. Thank you.

@tiadavenport5465 2 года назад

Why would your church support the worl here? It's the truth. So many people have been hurt by this organization. This site helps do many find a new path.

@hbendzulla8213 2 года назад

Just keep on listening to Mormon Story Podcasts and will be happy at best.

@Pay-It_Forward 10 месяцев назад

Blessings to Maui

@Quinnyowell 2 года назад

This conversation was so great, I didn't want it to end! Thanks to everyone for contributing your voices!

@7988333 2 года назад

I'm loving the call-in format! It feels more impactful to see and hear the broad range and magnitude of response. It would be awesome to see more of these in response to big stories.

@GeoKnowLearning 2 года назад

This was a lot of fun to hear so many voices!

@nancyleejorgenson9523 2 года назад

This was a great experiment and I enjoyed the diverse views from all around the world. Nice group of listeners

@thisidahomomreports 2 года назад

It is a nice group!

@maxflippage9758 2 года назад

This is among my favorite MS episodes, y’all. My brain, which is where I do most of my thinking, kept thinking that no official church representative would ever participate in a candid public forum like this. Not one. To paraphrase RFM, Mormonism makes liars and cowards of us all

@littleanniek9092 2 года назад

I would really love to talk about the damaging neighborhood cycles that caused abuse of me and several others because of the purity and cover anything because of shame! I know that there was others that had the same neighborhood dynamic!!

@davidjohnson605 2 года назад

"Brad Wilcox week" has been one of the best week of episodes ever. Monday's was great, as was Tuesday's episode.... but this one was just awesome. It's powerful to hear the voices and see the faces of people and hear the stories of how the church affects lives as refracted through what was an unfortunately common "saying the quiet part out loud" talk by a mid-level church leader. Please do this type of live call in reaction again!

@thisidahomomreports 2 года назад

I really enjoyed this program as well. It's nice seeing so many come together to denounce something so awful. And it also serves as a powerful reminder that certain church leaders can't point the fingers of the "malcontents" at Mormon Stories. Sorry, can't pin it all on John and Kara this time, Church officials. We are ALL concerned and VERY offended!

@kirstensims138 2 года назад

Never Mormon, but grew up in Utah. I went to “Girls Camp” three times, “EFY” two times, and sacrament meeting countless times. I’ve read the Book of Mormon cover to cover. Never interested in converting, but grateful for my wonderful LDS friends, so I tagged along. Then, I went to the (early) “Young Women’s” session of GC, and I remember feeling really unnerved by what was being directed to my wonderfully diverse group of girl friends by older men (and some women). This felt similar eerie, but even more so. I love learning about theology (even went to a Jesuit university), even though I’m not particularly religious. Mormons have always seemed pretty adept at wielding a combination of genuine belief, strategically altered doctrine, and human psychology to permeate society and sometimes to devastating ends.

@thisidahomomreports 2 года назад

Well said! Great obsevation!

@hbendzulla8213 2 года назад

Nice I like it

@Mikha335 2 года назад

It’s strange that you love theology but aren’t religious. How does that happen? Did you study early Christian history?

@G274Me 2 года назад

I was a never Mo too. Grew up around it; lots of friends and family in it. I even married a Mormon girl. I could never get past the whole “disappearing gold plates” theory.

@budthebud9108 2 года назад

@@G274Me that fact validated my skeptism as an early teen. I asked my RM cousin where the plates are now-"the angel took them back". Devastating to a skeptic.

@Jsppydays 2 года назад

That was a fantastic podcast I hope to see more about this subject. I noticed not very many people are talking about the remark that Mrs Wilcox posted online to Gerardo about him crucifying Jesus Christ It was so more offensive to me, than even Brad's talk. It's like I believe one of the worst things you could say about somebody. I believe Jesus Christ lived and died for us. I cannot stomach what she said. She went right to the Savior and the most important thing that's ever happened to this world. Just my thoughts

@waterfall_brook 2 года назад

I, too, was thoroughly incensed by Debi Wilcox's attack on Gerardo. I personally believe that Jesus was just a man, but he had some wonderful ideas. I still can't figure out how she equated Gerardo's comments, which were in line with the Church's line on apologizing and making amends, with crucifying Christ. She actually sounded completely unhinged.

@letahamilton 2 года назад

💯💯💯

@chellbell2996 2 года назад

I mentioned during the chat that I felt that she undermined any apology (sincere or otherwise) that he made. I agree it looked a little unhinged and definitely not helpful to the mormon image that they may want to portray.

@yeshalloween 2 года назад

I really agree

@shmataboro8634 Год назад

Jeddyboe, relax honey. The crucifixion didn't kill Jesus, he was only hung for a few hours. He was rescued, recovered fully, and returned to India where he lived and taught until he died at the ripe old age of 80.

@shches8480 2 года назад

I really enjoyed this format and would love to see (some but not all) future episodes feature live call-ins.

@dianethulin1700 2 года назад

I was wondering why anyone who hears a broken printer story frequently would make a printer available for students to use. Total no-brainer!

@wvcarolina 2 года назад

This is the best. 😆 Seriously!! Also, it is a law of physics almost guaranteed that your printer will not work when you are facing a deadline

@christie8493 2 года назад

Love this format! Would love more of this style Edit: it’s cool to hear so many different perspectives

@thisidahomomreports 2 года назад

Congrats on 50,000!!

@MormonSoprano1 2 года назад

I really enjoyed this format! It's great to get to see so many cool humans that are watching and listening to MS, and very powerful to hear their voices and ideas. Echo many others to encourage an episode with never-mo's - and when doing so, please be sure to invite Randall and Holly J. back! [would also be very interesting to include some never-mo who had supported their TBM spouses but never joined, and give their perspectives.

@maxflippage9758 2 года назад

@jenniferflower9265 2 года назад

I'm part of the raised non religious raised and I'll add raised by my two lesbian moms and they gave me the same mentality growing up as well as being misogynistic and allowed sexual abuse to happen to me while denying it and accusing me of be a liar. They also told and taught me to hate my gender. This isn't mormon specific, it's human specific and a cultural phenomenon. I do enjoy watching the content, it's broader my horizon greatly to how big this is.

@Mikha335 2 года назад

So, coming from your background, how do you feel about Christianity?

@jenniferflower9265 2 года назад

@@Mikha335 I'm drawn to it for its symbolic truths and evolutionary compliment to our human development. I did go to church after I left home for a while. I left it because they treated my mother horrible. I still want to go back to one. I feel I could handle people like that better now then I could then.

@pechaa 2 года назад

I am sorry to hear of all the abuse and gaslighting that you suffered, Jennifer. You didn’t deserve any of it. I hope you have kind, loving people in your life now.

@jenniferflower9265 2 года назад

@@pechaa Thank you for the kind words. Yes, I do. When I turned 17 I left home and went to counseling. I had a child already. Then got married to a wonderful man that stick through the hard time of healing and we had 3 more children. I became chronically I'll from all the trauma and I'm currently at the end of healing all that went wrong health wise. From my constant effort of remaining in counseling and healing myself, I've been able to spill that healing onto my parents now and they have been working on healing and changing and learning. It been a beautiful yet hard journey. I wouldn't change it for the world because in the end, I am seeing healing from everyone around me and also spreading it to other young women in my life who have suffered hardships. Am also thrilled beyond belief that my persistent at healing is having a positive impact on my parents and love can still be found there. This is currently 26 years later.😊

@chelseyrawlings9567 2 года назад

Absolutely loved the call-ins. A lot of great voices and perspectives, and a really fun change to the usual (but still wonderful) single interview.

@FatTracksMusic 2 года назад

PLEASE do more shows like this! Like weekly! We can have a topic and all call in, what a great support group!

@saffronhammer7714 2 года назад

Brad’s Apology: "I’m sorry the general public caught me spewing a hateful shitty message the LDS absolutely approves of." Or: "The LDS church told me I have to say sorry because even though it's official doctrine, it's a bad look."

@dougsharp6961 2 года назад

People took dump in toilet got more done Alpine conference

@andrewmorke 2 года назад

Brad might like to think the LDS approve of his nonsense, but I suspect he will be fired for his out of line rantings by the president of his church.

@saffronhammer7714 2 года назад

If he’s fired, it will be for optics: it’s a bad look, not because they disapprove of his message which he’s been giving for years.

@BG-ig6fd Год назад

Exactly!

@markkrispin6944 6 месяцев назад

Brad's apology: "I am sorry that I am a racist, sexists and stupid jackass. Please forgive me."

@seanhaley3204 2 года назад

I was glad to catch some of this while commuting and wish I could have joined the throng. A great and novel approach for participants. Would love to see this format in the evening where accessibility for participants may be even greater.

@funkyfreshtx 2 года назад

Randall’s comments were great. Would love to hear his views on Mormonism much more.

@RuthBray 2 года назад

Totally agree.

@oliviaproctor3375 2 года назад

Yes please have him on!!!!

@jillannette7100 2 года назад

I’m a never Mormon from Virginia. Sometimes I feel creepy for keeping up with Mormon culture so much. I just find it so interesting and just wanted to thank you for making me feel welcome 🤗

@Pay-It_Forward 10 месяцев назад

They should mention that Jesus tried to return to America, but Mike Lee asked Trump to return him to Mexico!

@randomname4726 9 месяцев назад

Same here. I live all the way away in New Zealand and I don't think I've ever even met a mormon lol. I just find cults and religions fascinating. And now I really like these guys and Zelph on the Shelf.

@cc-mk2hp 2 года назад

Great job John.💐 l have a case of PTSD from the shunning and judgment which was based upon Mormon mischaracterization if what an exmormon is. I have difficulty with listening and not getting triggered. I appreciate your " don't shoot the messenger" approach. Having said that, Brad Wilcox's messages are very disturbing to this exmo.💔😭

@thisidahomomreports 2 года назад

@cc omgosh, I had never thought of any of this as SHUNNING- but that is exactly what it is!! Very well 👏 said!

@cc-mk2hp 2 года назад

@@thisidahomomreports ❤

@tquist61 2 года назад

I'm really enjoying this live call in format John! One thing about this presentation that stuck out to me is when he said "maybe you're asking the wrong question." This is reminiscent of a talk by Elder Bednar when he said something along the lines of "let me rephrase your question." When someone plays this game, it means in my mind that they either don't have a good answer to the original question, or they don't want to say the real answer to the original question out loud. Can you imagine the if the journalist from the UK that interviewed Elder Holland regarding the temple endowment putting up with one of these guys changing his question? When they change the question, it is a slick way to get out of answering a question they don't want to answer.

@thisidahomomreports 2 года назад

Just catching up on the beginning. Look forward to hearing from Mike F! His take on Manufactured Shame needs to be explored. This is great! As always, thank you for keeping it about systems, not people!

@mrsmegtaylor 2 года назад

I agree! He was my seminary teacher and I would really like to understand his views now vs what I was taught years ago being his student.

@thisidahomomreports 2 года назад

@@mrsmegtaylor so good to hear! Incidentally, my daughter is taking seminary. I have not participated in anything regarding the church since long before she was born. In her own, however she participates. I support her. I will say, BW's talk gave me pause for a moment. Her father is Bosnian Muslim. It's her heritage and I cannot in good faith allow her to attend ANY thing that would undermine her father or his heritage ( we are divorced. He is a good person. I digress.. Lol). Seeing Mike F on here was very reassuring to me. While I know there are a lot of bigots in church callings/ teaching Seminary, I also know there are many, many wonderful teachers. I HOPE HER SEMINARY TEACHER IS LIKE Jeff! I appreciate Jeff's integrity. I am going to trust my daughter and let her decide for herself. Good to know there are such great people here in Idaho ( didn't realize he taught here in Idaho until just now) Jeff, thanks for loving out kids! And yourself! And yes, it will be interesting to hear what he thinks now that he no longer teaches Seminary!

@wvcarolina 2 года назад

Never mo here and I listen all the time; really liked Randall’s take, also!

@laurag725 2 года назад

I loved this format!! Please do more of these!

@janetmarugg9424 2 года назад

Thank you, Bek. My PTSD raged on the little girl playing sacrament. My world broke as a little girl (probably 3yo) being told by my brother that I could not heal like Jesus because I was a girl that only boys have access to miracles. I'm now 57yo and still 3yo when it comes to that.

@BG-ig6fd Год назад

Yup. And they actually attempt to convince us that people are not harmed by the discrimination in the church (sexism, racism, anti-LGBTQ+). I just want to hug the 3-year old you.

@amygreen758 2 года назад

Wow Ally's comment nailed it. My family has totally ghosted me since I left Mormonism. They treat other family who is in prison, better than they treat me (all because I left). Everyone uplifted me who brought their perspective. Thanks!

@huffdaddy3845 2 года назад

I challenge Wilcox or any other of the church's senior mouthpieces to instruct the youth to read and study the Gospel Topics Essays, just like they tell them to read and study the BOM. Although they aren't perfect, these essays are about the closest the church has ever come to telling the truth publicly about the church's history, its doctrines, and Joseph Smith. I also challenge the church to instruct the missionaries to have their prospective converts read all of the essays before they can be baptized.

@cc-mk2hp 2 года назад

Yes Sam. Agreed. I would like to see them investigate the veracity of the Bible instead of just accepting the unsupported claims that it is not reliable.

@jrtodd-br4zc 2 года назад

Those essays don’t come close to telling the truth about Joseph. It’s more lies upon lies.

@cc-mk2hp 2 года назад

@@jrtodd-br4zc Well, it is true that those essays don't come close to telling the truth about Joseph. They are still whitewashing over the worst of the history. It appears you have some serious cognitive dissonance . l once believed in Joseph. We mustn't fear to read the real history. Truth is more important than being comfortable, or loyal to anything or anyone else but Jesus...the true Biblical Jesus, not the one that Joseph made up.

@mitsim 2 года назад

Mark Stoddard's comment about the manipulative speech directed toward these young people really spoke to me. After listening to Brad's speech I had a "Carah jaw drop" moment, as I thought, "Do these kids really believe this? Are they so gullible that this sounds OK to them? Or are they thinking it's a bunch of BS?" And the fact that he was answering the questions given to him with his own questions! Avoidance! Evidently this is a tactic when you can't or won't answer the question at hand. This was horrendous. Did they take this speech down as you thought they would? Thank you for this podcast. It spoke loads.

@Silver-zc1tb 2 года назад

Some absolutely do believe in this wholeheartedly. I grew up in utah surrounded by LDS families (96% of the city were Mormons) and this type of speech was given at least once a month, sometimes 5 days a week if you had seminary everyday. If you walk out or don’t pay attention they will absolutely call your parents and say you are falling from the church and may become an apostate. This happened to me and I’m sure many other kids. Brad Wilcox, however, is tame to many of the men preaching to kids about the LDS church. Some were masters of manipulation and were quiet and gentle in their speech and would actually bring themselves to tears, which made many others cry or feel the spirit as they put it.Those were the dangerous ones. When this type of manipulation is all you know, it’s tough for kids -and some adults- to see through the act.

@zacharyclark2010 2 года назад

This call-in style show was awesome. Do more!! I loved that there were so many different perspectives from all sorts of people. It’s almost like jam packing several episodes into one.

@gerrybenzi 2 года назад

Great format keep this kinda of energy coming, love the conversations 👏🏿

@othersheep5491 2 года назад

Wow! the bullies are hitting themselves in the face now. Their bigotry is showing. It’s really sad to see all the pain. Stay strong everyone, and stay kind. Y’all are awesome

@wendijade5188 2 года назад

Sphincterinktum: personality that causes increased sphincter clinching while listening😆

@pechaa 2 года назад

Congratulations on exceeding 50,000 subscribers!🎉👏

@goodstory5890 2 года назад

Kudos to you guys Jon Dehlin and Bill Reel for keeping your communication and comments open for discussion as I have noticed that many a Mormon church videos are closed off for ANY discussions. Aloha 🌺

@hopejeffcoat1819 Год назад

I'm a never mormon and currently deconstructing from the Catholic church. I love how validating John is with each caller and I loved hearing different people's stories & viewpoints.

@js20412 2 года назад

Woohoo, and congrats on 50000!! 🙌🎊📈- love from Australia 🇦🇺

@PrincessKryssiQT 2 года назад

Thank you for putting together another respectful discussion once again.

@notengopedoconvos 2 года назад

John, keep these open and very honest dialogues going. I think the data will support this recommendation. Great format!!! I was subscriber 777😂😂😂

@danite1742 2 года назад

Loved that you brought in others. That was great

@brianholly3555 2 года назад

Re: Haleigh’s comment. Mike Tomlin, the coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, once famously said that he preferred to have volunteers rather than hostages. Apparently the church is just fine with hostages. What sort of compelling message could they conceivably craft entirely without threats?

@eishunken 2 года назад

More of this, please!

@BryceThomas101 2 года назад

Love the new format!

@nataliehawks5382 2 года назад

Would love to see a episode with an adult and youth tbm, exmo, and nevermo together giving their thoughts on this talk in a round table style conversation.

@TJAnderson 2 года назад

As a previous stake presidency member who travelled a lot to speak to the youth in the stake, every 'repeat' talk/lesson we gave to the youth and every fireside talk was pre-approved. Maybe Brad had more leeway than this, but Im fairly certain someone in the 12 likely reviewed this a few years back before he started giving it

@hbendzulla8213 2 года назад

I really like Mike’s assessments, fair and honest.

@emmasorensen3788 2 года назад

This was amazing!! Please do more of these!

@purpleslurple5149 2 года назад

John, great job with an intimidating, on-the-spot format. It was incredibly moving to hear impact statements from so many. Well done. And OMG that moonwalk was amazing! 🤩 Just don't mention MJ again because everything that reminds me of him is literally ruined now. 😭

@CarahBurrell 2 года назад

Ah HEheHEhehe thank you

@budthebud9108 2 года назад

@@CarahBurrell thanks for the👆🤣🤣🤣

@hbendzulla8213 2 года назад

Kate made a very good point, the youth in this day and age are a lot more keen than we were 30 40, 50 years ago.

@cc-mk2hp 2 года назад

The youth of today are pretty tech savy, but a good old manipulator with some communication skills in a position of authority in Mormonism can still cause great deception.

@itsfine4487 2 года назад

Maybe the new game plan for The Church is to lean into what makes people leave - then divvy up all of the tithing money amongst the last men standing.

@kaydenpat 2 года назад

😂

@questort 2 года назад

Anyone else having trouble getting the discord link to work?

@wvcarolina 2 года назад

It did not work for me either.

@FieroGroos 2 года назад

Bravo 👏 great show! Thank you!

@monicaenriquez8643 2 года назад

It was awesome, John!

@impossibleeddie17 Год назад

Hi John. Been following Mormon Stories for only a few months and I really appreciate your work. I have been going back to older episodes, like this one, and trying to Cafeteria the podcast. I finally got around to watching the Brad Wilcox Alpine talk and then binging your "Brad Wilcox Week" 3 episode extravaganza and really enjoyed all the content. But I was surprised to see that there were no comments in regards to considering the audience. Where as in 2022 the % of white in the state of Utah was 87%, in Alpine it was slightly higher at 94%. But the real kicker is median household income; where as in 2022, for the state of Utah that median was around $70K, while in Alpine that Median was closer to $140K; I am NOT surprised that there were no reports of walkouts from that fireside. I believe that Bro. Wilcox was well aware of his audience and spoke to their immense privileged. Curious to hear your thought on the subject.

@mormonstories Год назад

Great points @Eddie Palomino !!! So glad you are joining us!!!

@monicaenriquez8643 2 года назад

Do you have a PO Box that someone can mail in a donation? I really like this call in show!

@mormonstories 2 года назад

Yes! PO Box 171085 Salt Lake City, UT 84117

@monicaenriquez8643 2 года назад

Oh Goody! Thank you for your PO BOX!

@brisingr4726 2 года назад

They are ALL narcissists. They could be clinically detained. They should be put on trial.

@aclownunpainted 2 года назад

Congratulations on 50'000 subscribers!

@katielynch9740 2 года назад

You said you’re gaining 2,000 subscribers a month. Well, In the last two weeks alone you’ve gained nearly 5000. As a never Mormon, keep up the great work!

@mathematicalmatt 2 года назад

I tried to join the discord. The link to the thread seems to only work for people already in the server, and the invite link on the channel About Page doesn't work for me. Hope to hop on soon. I bit the bullet and registered for Thrive St. George. I was going to attend Thrive Day 2021--even registered for it--but skipped it due to anxiety. I didn't see any other Utah based Thrive events on the calendar so I figured might as well go sooner than later.

@mindiwestley3 2 года назад

This was so great!

@JC-vq2cs 2 года назад

I loved this format. The callers were so thoughtful, engaging, and insightful. Dehlin and team are continuing to build a wonderful community around Mormon stories across the spectrum of belief and the wider world of us NeverMos. I encourage John D and the @Mormon Stories Podcast team to add this to the growing line-up of programming. Maybe once or twice a month? Following up on topics discussed by guests like John Larsen and Simon Southerton as well as this sort of breaking news topic? Thank you and keep up the great work. Proud to be a monthly donor. Please join me fellow listeners. This work takes a lot of time and resources.

@DirtmopAZ 2 года назад

Spizzerinctum hahaha. Vigor; vim; energy

@dannylarsen4290 2 года назад

That was a term I learned when I taught in the CES Program back in 1976-1980.

@StRandomEd 2 года назад

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spizzerinctum

@RenatoAguila 2 года назад

Technical note: I was trying to join the Discord server through the link on your About page, but I got an error saying that the invite link. Thanks!

@RenatoAguila 2 года назад

...the invite link has expired, sorry.

@mormonstories 2 года назад

So sorry Renato!

@RenatoAguila 2 года назад

That’s fine, I’ll check the link again.

@RenatoAguila 2 года назад

I think what happened was that Discord invite links are only valid for a limited time, so when the link was posted and I clicked on it, the link already expired. I checked this by copying the URL to my Discord. In any case, glad that you have a Discord server now! Thanks for replying.

@susanbernstein504 2 года назад

Let’s hear more from Randall. 👍

@rebeccab-b1175 2 года назад

Love Mr. Randall!!! This NeverMo thought the same thing!

@patriciahisoire5753 2 года назад

This man I relate too. Not a Mormon but fascinated by it. As well as JW and Scientology.

@waterfall_brook 2 года назад

So bummed that I missed this! :(

@lesadams55 2 года назад

This was amazing !!!

@kathrynclass2915 2 года назад

I want to hear Randall’s story 😊

@danielclingen34 Год назад

I’m also a nevermo and really enjoy your podcast. I was raised evangelical so experienced somewhat similar manipulation and oppression and I first learned of lds church on 6 yr mission in Nicaragua with my parents. Then I found an ex lds RU-vidr via his RU-vid collaborations with God is Grey, a former evangelical and saw the problems with lds church. And that led me to find your channel. Been watching dozens if not hundreds of your videos

@cg8012 2 года назад

I can't wait for the next huge mistake Mormons make. Keep them coming. This is fun!

@markkrispin6944 6 месяцев назад

Give them less than 24 hours and they will surely say something stupid

@bettycastillo9111 2 года назад

Can you imagine someone translating this to Spanish in a Spanish speaking ward!!! AKWARD!!! He’s so condescending, comes out kid of fake cause he exaggerates so much… sexist!!! I could go on .. 😬

@tamaralambert2853 2 года назад

Wow! I live in Tulsa, too! I always am amazed when I meet/hear of Mormons in Oklahoma. Mark Stoddard makes only #3!

@oliviaproctor3375 2 года назад

John, I’m a regular viewer/listener. I loved this format. I would love an episode of non-Mormons or former investigators calling in. Hearing their POV is fascinating. Shot out to Randall. I loved his thoughts and commentary. I’m a Catholic High School grad. So I have insight🙂 And John, it’s a hokie or a hoo in VA. Hokie- VA tech Hoos- UVA

@ariannarees6216 2 года назад

Ally's comments need an entire episode.

@DeathValleyDazed 2 года назад

Great format with a human touch bringing the inhuman dogma of Mormonism home.

@sushicakes666 2 года назад

can you guys post a discord link that doesnt expire ? :D

@BG-ig6fd Год назад

Thank you, Lacy from Texas, for your comment about people who don’t speak up are “complicit”. It is soooo hard to be a whistleblower. But that is exactly the kind of courage we need for society to evolve and to root out such harm and bigotry from powerful institutions. Hats off to anyone who is brave enough to speak up. None of the stuff in Brad’s hateful, ignorant and manipulative speech could continue beyond even one speech, let alone decades of these speeches, if people would stand up, walk out or speak out. Thanks for bringing up that very important point.

@brandtmunden4869 2 года назад

Randall a boss with his breakdown

@Moksha-Raver 2 года назад

I really want to hear more from Randall. Reminds me of that famous New York Times poster named Gemli. He runs intellectual rings around the LDS apologists at Sic et Non quite frequently.

@ariannarees6216 2 года назад

Guaranteed that people said something about this over the years, but it either fell on deaf ears, they were shamed for it, or got reprimanded for it. Guaranteed.

@StRandomEd 2 года назад

We certainly reached a time where the confluence of technology capability and meme-ifycation, and the viral method of information spread that this resulted in a perfect storm. Spizzerinctum is the word! www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spizzerinctum Which is now the official word: np.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/spedgk/spizzerinctum_is_the_word_the_word_is_the_bird/

@lindamartinez7006 2 года назад

Who is Gerardo? Someone on your show? What was said to Debbie Wilcox? What was the reason she said that back to him? How can we see this or find this ?

@ChristieStevensTV 2 года назад

Discord link didn't work for me

@bettye4003 2 года назад

Love it

@lg4954 2 года назад

Where can I find this video telling members not to give inheritance to apostates?

@TheRealCantaraBella 2 года назад

I heard it in person that it should be given to Church, or next available relative.

@clintclarkson1325 2 года назад

Keep doing these

@tenacioustadpole Год назад

Listening to this a year later. Did Mike f ever come on the podcast? Would love to hear more

@gordonzio 2 года назад

awesome! I liked Mike F's statement that everyone has thier own god, christ and version of mormonism. There is just enough vaguary in momonism to let you create your own reality...as long as you pay your tithing and go to the temple. lol looking forward to his episode on msp. My father also retired from ces after 20 years.

@stheno4783 2 года назад

I do not agree that someone should get props for SAYING THE WORD "sorry" or "apologies". That's nonsense. If his words didn't come through "as intended" What WAS intended? This is not an apology.

@Cali_Flowers 2 года назад

Your discord channel sounds so exciting. I am so glad you are expanding to the platforms where the youth are! I truly feel that the Mormon culture of false beliefs, perfectionism and coercion, is toxic to young people and general health. You may be the life raft for many who are struggling in Mormonism. Thank you for all you do!

@sushicakes666 2 года назад

just out of curiosity, does anyone know how many children were at this youth rescue ?

@janegriffith8021 2 года назад

I don’t know the numbers but I believe it was three stakes.

@sarahswanson8689 2 года назад

I am a nevermo but my Uncle converted in the early 70’s from Catholicism to Mormonism and he and my aunt had 14 children. My mom stayed Catholic and her sister became a Jehovah’s Witness. Needless to say, family get togethers were strange. Catholicism in my home was really only practiced in before meal prayer to the blessed virgin and church on Sundays. The religion of the JW and Mormon cousins seemed to envelop every aspect of their lives. When I was 17 in 1987 I spent a summer with the Mormon family and attended with them. It was strange to me and the separation of gender was even more pronounced than Catholicism. I actually wormed my way into a priesthood meeting. My uncle sent me home after that. I am a happy apathetic agnostic (I don’t know and I don’t care). I had close relationships with my Mormon cousins. We started debating over proposition 8 and their true colors came out. They managed to temporarily convert my sister’s college age daughter while she attended the university of Hawaii and living with one of our Mormon cousins. It was shocking to us how they managed to baptize her within just a few weeks of meeting with the missionaries. It seems like there should be a lot more information given before you dunk someone in a hot tub. This has made me avoid many of my practicing cousins even though we had been very close. In third grade my dad took us to tour the Bellevue, WA temple before it was sanctified or blessed or whatever. I remember them talking about a celestial room resembling heaven and my mom remarking that heaven was full of French Provincial furniture. I have a hard time with religions that envelop themselves into the political process. I have not watched the Wilcox talk yet but I will. I do enjoy your show.