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16" MacBook Pro MINI LED Display - Ghosting and Blue/Green Tint ISSUE 

LordTechPro
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Super jarring in person, the screen is set to ProMotion (automatically selects refresh rates base don what is happening on screen). On a black background, any moving shape, text or image huge amounts of ghosting can be observed, and the white object leaves behind a Blue/Green glow or ghost image. Is this characteristic of MINI LED displays in general? Let me know in the comments below
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@LordTechPro
@LordTechPro 6 месяцев назад
To observe the issue better, I recommend you to play the video at 0.25x speed, or pause the video anytime the white sphere is in motion
@LordTechPro
@LordTechPro 6 месяцев назад
conducted this test using the built in Preview app, I opened an image file, then went to the markup toolbar and inserted a black rectangle to use as the background. Next using the same toolbar I selected a sphere, and set the colour to white. In the video I'm simply moving the sphere around and the panel is shifting the colour of the white sphere. I first noticed this green/blue tint on white objects issue when watching a Doug DeMuro video (when his white logo moves into the screen the entire screen flashes green/blue for a very brief moment). I edit my videos on Final Cut Pro, and whenever I use transitions which have a black/dark grey background, I routinely see the green/blue tint around animations. Also, when scrolling webpages with dark mode enabled, if one scrolls too fast the text on screen will change from its natural white colour to one of a blue/green shade. I have not observed this issue on any of my 3 older generation MacBook Pros (using a normal IPS LED screen)
@XxM1G3xX
@XxM1G3xX 6 месяцев назад
Same issue here with m1 pro, from what I've seen on the m3 pro they are still using the same panels with very slow pixel response times; so basically what you are seeing is the pixels take too much time to light up AND to turn off, leading to both that weird blue tint while it is lighting up and the ghosting while it is turning off. It is a shame they are using such cheap panels on this extremely expensive machine.
@LordTechPro
@LordTechPro 6 месяцев назад
Yes indeed, what makes matters even worse is that I used to have a Late 2016 15" MacBook Pro (Touch Bar gen) and I never experienced this even with its regular IPS panel. Funnily enough, I first noticed this green/blue tint on white objects issue when watching a Doug DeMuro video (the part where his white logo appears on a black background). Furthermore, when I use Titles or Transitions in Final Cut Pro, I frequently see the green/blue tint around animations. So I have no idea if the video will look the same on another screen/monitor (phone, tablet, computer, tv etc),which sucks because otherwise, it is a great monitor especially for HDR content as it gets super bright, and the thousands of zones for the Mini LEDs ensure blooming isn't much in daily usage.
@eckee
@eckee 6 месяцев назад
Yeah whenever I like an Apple product, there's always one deal breaker issue with it. And it's a shame it takes too long for them to fix them. They have been using the same panels for multiple generations, instead of addressing the issue and fixing it for the next generation.
@LordTechPro
@LordTechPro 6 месяцев назад
@@eckee I've owned 4 generations of MacBook Pros and all of them have impressed me because of their build quality. The performance and battery life of my M1 Max MacBook Pro has also been mind boggling, simply out of this world. have also never experienced this blue/green ghosting effect on any of the 3 MacBook Pros I've used in the past. This issue seems to be a problem with the Mini LED display technology itself. If you take any high end Mini LED TV panels from say Samsung, and do the same test (moving a white object very fast around a black background) it will produce a similar effect. I believe the reason this happens is because the colour of the Mini LEDs are not white (in Apple's own display breakdown image, they appear to be blue in colour), also because of zone dimming limits and the blooming suppression being applied, the overall brightness of bright white objects is reduced if they are moving across a screen. If one watches MiniLED vs OLED companions on channels like HDTVTest, you can see the differences This effect will in no way be seen in any of the older generation MacBooks which had regular IPS LED Backlight panels, which have no individually dimmable zones, suppression blooming, or the same colour of LEDs. Ghosting/pixel response times will always be low on LCDs however, and I don't think its fair to term all generations of Apple laptops as using the same panels, as the colour accuracy, brightness and contrast has always been better or equal to competitors' laptops with LCD displays.
@Valentino_Crespo
@Valentino_Crespo 6 месяцев назад
Its a mix of refresh rate and response time. RN I have a 2020 Macbook air M1 and I will get as a next laptop the Vivibook 15 with the core ultra 9 and a 4060. 3.2k OLED 15.6 inch.
@LordTechPro
@LordTechPro 6 месяцев назад
Interesting, I did not experience this on my old MacBook Pro (a 15" Late 2016 Touch Bar model), the display would just display white and off course since it was a regular IPS panel the background was light grey instead of black, but white objects would still be displayed as white and not change. Does the M1 Air (with a regular IPS backlight panel) exhibit the same tinting of white objects?
@Valentino_Crespo
@Valentino_Crespo 6 месяцев назад
@@LordTechPro I believe that it would work only with the mini LED due to the dimming zones of the MINI LED versus the LED panel which is always on. Even though only having 60Hz, it should not have that issue.
@poktangju
@poktangju 6 месяцев назад
Just purchased a 14” mbp m2 and coming from a 2015 mbp I noticed this right away. Will the MacBook Air m2 screen have this same problem? This is a real deal breaker for me.
@LordTechPro
@LordTechPro 6 месяцев назад
As far as I am aware, no it won’t. The MacBook Airs use a regular IPS LCD screen, similar to the ones the 2015 MacBook Pro (Retina) used, meaning they have regular LED backlight display, and only max out at 60Hz. I’m not sure I would call this a deal breaker, a few solutions to avoiding this problem would be to avoid using dark mode on the display, and in everyday usage it’s unlikely you will have a black background with bright moving objects moving across the screen. When watching videos, using productivity or creativity software, CAD apps (like AutoCAD) etc, which anyway don’t need 120Hz or have black backgrounds the upto 600 nits brightness of the display (and upto 1600 nits for HDR content) is amazing, and colours are incredibly accurate as well. However, if your use case involves a lot of gaming (if so, I don’t think Mac is the best platform for that lol), or professional level of video editing, I think an external OLED monitor would be the only solution to this issue. The problem is LCD based displays simply cannot match the pixel response times of OLED, but LCD displays also last 2-3 times as long as even the most modern OLED panels. The way I look at it, if you plan to use the MacBook Pro for more than 3 years, I would stick to Mini-LED despite some of its drawbacks, since even the highest end OLEDs on the market suffer with image retention, and since computer screens have a lot of static objects such as the window edges, the dock, the taskbar on top, etc, I would not buy any laptop with OLED, if I’m not ready to shell out $2500+ every 2 years.
@mogumogu2202
@mogumogu2202 6 месяцев назад
Sadly, latest Apple displays are known to have *terrible* pixel response times, you can't fix this sadly. If that bothers you, you're pretty much forced to use an external monitor
@LordTechPro
@LordTechPro 6 месяцев назад
Yes, LCD panels (whether regular IPS LED Backlit or Mini LED) will always have lower response times compared to OLED panels. However, in daily usage I prefer these Apple display panels, as they have been very reliable, no dead pixels, no issues of burn in (unlike with OLED) and this panel hits 1600 nits of peak brightness when viewing HDR content, and upto 600 nits in regular mode (which is much more than what comparable OLED laptop panels can do). I would say the issue is with the display technology being used (LCD with MINI LED), as this blue/green tint issue never occurred on my previous 3 generations of MacBook Pros. The only solution I believe would be to shift to OLED in the next generation (but I wouldn’t buy it as burn in/image ration and panel degradation over time is a huge problem even with modern OLEDs). Therefore the problem could only truly be fixed by eventually shifting to Micro LED panels.
@Jo21
@Jo21 6 месяцев назад
You are using it wrong😠
@LordTechPro
@LordTechPro 6 месяцев назад
How so? Read my pinned comment, whose first reply mentions that this same effect is seen (albeit at a smaller scale), when using dark mode and scrolling through web pages, watching or editing videos which have black backgrounds with bright fast paced objects in screen (stars, transitions, logos etc). I’ve also listed the steps which one can follow to replicate the issue seen in this video. I recommend that you to try it out for yourself on a 14” or 16” MacBook Pro with a MINI LED display.
@FamousWithoutBrad
@FamousWithoutBrad 6 месяцев назад
@@LordTechProI’m pretty sure he’s making a joke about Apple and how that was their response during “Antenna Gate”, which was essentially telling people that they were holding the phone wrong
@LordTechPro
@LordTechPro 6 месяцев назад
@@FamousWithoutBrad Lol, that makes sense now😂, thanks!
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