17” Water Cooled Laptops! Mech-17 GP & Neo 17 Review

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These 17” gaming laptops can be water cooled to boost performance, but is it worth it? Find out in this review of the Eluktronics Mech-17 GP / XMG Neo 17!
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XMG Neo 17 / Eluktronics Mech-17 GP (2022) Review Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:12 Laptop Specs
0:38 Build Quality & Design
1:52 Size & Weight
2:11 Camera & Microphones
2:23 RGB Lighting
3:09 Mechanical Keyboard
4:15 Touchpad
4:54 Ports
5:51 Type-C Charging & Thunderbolt
7:17 Getting Inside & Internals
7:56 Wi-Fi Speed
8:07 Binned CL34 Memory
8:31 SSD & SD Card Speed
8:58 Upgrade Options
9:25 Speakers & Latencymon
9:44 Battery Life
10:36 Thermals, Liquid Cooler & Software Modes
12:11 Temperatures / Clock Speed / TDP
13:59 Game Performance in Different Modes
14:15 Cinebench CPU Performance (On & Off Battery)
15:30 Keyboard Temperatures
16:10 Fan Noise
17:12 Screen (Response Time/Color/Brightness/Bleed)
19:18 3 Game Comparison - 1080p & 1440p
21:10 3DMark & Content Creation
22:10 BIOS
22:33 Linux Support & Tuning
23:01 Pricing & Availability
23:50 Conclusion - AMD or Intel CPU?
26:04 Don’t Buy RTX 3080 Ti, do this instead!
Disclosure: Purchases made through store links above may provide some compensation to Jarrod'sTech.

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@RhodesyYT Год назад

I want that one or that one

@gusdrado4390 Год назад

Same men

@beataoo Год назад

Intel is better

@RhodesyYT Год назад

@Ray Shadow nah i mean THAT one know what im saying?

@kriszhli Год назад

But that one is better than that one

@RhodesyYT Год назад

@@kriszhli nah u dont know which one i want i want that one but i also want that one

@habbyhouse Год назад

I wanted to thank Jarrod for some time so here it goes. I was looking for gaming laptop and I knew I could do it only once. So, like most uninformed I bought latest and greatest I could afford, MSI Raider GE76 12UHS-252. 4300 USD laptop. CPU Tem was hitting 100 C in 25 C room with Laptop cooling pad. It scared the **it out of me. GPU although great but turned out to be un-necessary (Thanks to Jarrod's test that I could not have possibly ran myself) I returned it and bought Raider GE77HX 12UHS-004 for 2600 USD. Same FPS in games without temp problems. All I am saying is listen to this guy before buying laptop it will save you time and money. Thankyou Jarrod. Have a great day everyone.

@Matt34677 Год назад

I'm looking at the GE77HX with the i7 12800hx and 3070ti. Are you still liking yours and did you ever have any issues with the screen quality?

@fireguy9931 Год назад

I've been vibing with all your shirts throughout your videos man, also share a love of the kind of metal music you like

@OY-hf6hu Год назад

This is just a phenomenal review, thank you for the incredibly detailed work!

@JarrodsTech Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@Spidapida006 Год назад

I think I'll give a higher repairability score to these laptops as you can easily replace the ports on either sides, if they have been damaged for some reason. Although that utilization of space...

@FU_SU_LU Год назад

I can't decide between the Eluktronics MECH-17 GP, the Lenovo Legion 7i Gen 7, or the ASUS ROG Strix SCAR 17 SE G733! Love the idea of water cooling for laptops, love how slick and well built the Legion is, love the power of the SCAR.

@raylopez99 Год назад

I learned two things from this video: (1) gaming a CPU/GPU intensive game on a modern laptop will give you about 100 minutes on battery, and (2) @15:11 vs a few minutes earlier, doing CPU/GPU intensive activities (like the Cinebench R23 test) will be about 15% faster on mains, plugged in, versus a battery. New information for me, as we just bought a new Lenovo non-gaming laptop.

@SnipeXandrej Год назад

About the Caps Lock and Linux.. The KDE Plasma desktop environment does actually have an indicator in the system icon tray showing if you have Caps Lock(and/or Num Lock, I think) on. I haven't looked but there is definitely something similar available for GNOME (the desktop used on Ubuntu) or other desktops

@JarrodsTech Год назад

Oh good to know!

@hogey74 Год назад

Love this concept. I imagined air coolers not water! Also, massively multi core CPUs and GPUs where you can recruit more depending on your access to external power and cooling, or choose to briefly go full power on battery.

@marcuscoster6529 Год назад

My guess as to why they have so much unused space inside is that they also use this motherboard in a 15" laptop. That's also why it has the strange feature of a low profile ethernet port in a full sized cutout.

@xmg_gg Год назад

Correct. Also, the empty space keeps the weight low. // Tom

@XxSniperFiendxX Год назад

Just when I was thinking about water cooled laptops this video pops up tech is amazing

@Maxiow Год назад

We also have a company here in Brazil called AVELL that introduced the first national ICE Mod solution ( water cooling hardware ), just wanted to share since I find it interesting ( it also works with laptops ) 😃

@fabiolucasdev Год назад

A Avell, assim como a XMG, tem as mesmas peças, uma vez que ambas são marcas whitelabel, de uma fabricante chinesa. A Avell é apenas a montadora. Por isso que a Avell também tem essa tecnologia de water cooling

@Maxiow Год назад

@@fabiolucasdev ah maneiro, obrigado pelo esclarecimento, fiquei na dúvida se a XMG seria uma boa marca nas terras do Biden e como tenho produto da AVELL entendo que sim, legal!

@Mysz0r Год назад

Neo 15 maxed out since May. Not looking for another upgrade anytime soon.

@PremaMod Год назад

12900H performing @ HX level. Mission accomplished!

@InhalingWeasel Год назад

Awesome job man. Would it be possible in future to review Intel Evo laptops. It would be interesting to see how they stack against 3060 machines with the same Intel CPU.

@JarrodsTech Год назад

You mean arc? Just depends if we see any gaming laptops with them any time soon!

@InhalingWeasel Год назад

@@JarrodsTech Apparently Intel Evo is the official brand for Intel CPU + Arc GPU based laptops. I didn't even know such naming existed.

@adrianlobono9592 Год назад

I love to hear the 🔊 maybe forgo the fan test? IMO, all gaming laptops sound like Dysons at max fans. i love the keyboard, at least on my alienware! I do zoom meetings and yeah, oh well. Thanks Jarrod!

@JarrodsTech Год назад

I test with copyright music because it's a song I've listened to over 2000 times and know well.

@recentart3755 Год назад

Hey jarrod what are your thoughts on the HP Omen 17 paired with the rtx 3080ti and core i7 12th gen hx?

@Rockport1911 Год назад

XMG really did a great leap forward against noisy high- powered laptops. But i hope they keep going and iron out some bugs: - what concerns me most is that the water- couple doesnt seal on the laptop- side. If you pull it off the water inside the heat- pipe will just flow out and possibly damage components inside. I guess waterdamage isnt included in a warranty. Its likely done like that to fight corrosion or pressure build- up when the water cooler isnt used but it could be better - second I think that the integrated waterpipe on top of the the existing heatpipes is great, but it could be bigger and longer to collect more heat, for having such a system the results could be better - the radiator and pump could be bigger and quieter I know its hard to manuafturer something that works for everybody. I did a DIY watercooler on my MSI GS67 HX that gets rid of the things I wrote above. Now never goes over 60C and the fans only come on under hardest load. In stock form that laptop idles at 50C and puts the annoying fans on with light loads. It works great but its not light or pretty, but its nice having a silent laptop an the desk and a watercooler humming away underneath.

@Okkebeltman Год назад

so I have the Neo 15 with the watercooler. Not sure if that imporves or lowers the quality of my response. 1 this is less of an issue than at first might appear. I usually just dump the little water that remains out (I use distilled water to cool). The main issue I have with this is that you need to refill the reservoir every now and then. I get like 20+ disconnections before having to refill, so for me disconnecting once every 2 days) that means about once every 6 weeks I need to refill the reservoir. Not that big of a deal. If you connect and isconnect like once or twice a day, then you would have to refill once a week, more of an issue. 2. The short loop. This is even less of an issue. I have the i7-12700 and the 3080ti, and when playing games maxed out the temps rarely go above 64 degrees. That is low enough to have no throttling, and to give the components a longer lifespan. Lowering the temps even more might be nice, but doesnt really add much. 3. Radiater and pump bigger. Sort of similar to the short loop, it works like this, with no throttling and no superhigh temps. Why change that even more? I do have some issues of my own. Personally id prefer a quieter fan and quieter pump. I would be willing to pay more for a version which is compeltely whisper quiet. I udnerstand the budgetlimits to keep something like this at the price they sell it for now, but id be willing to pay a premium for that, and hope they upgrade that in the future.

@jamesbrendan5170 Год назад

how *did* you even make a water cooler for a laptop??

@TipsyTaterTot Год назад

@@Okkebeltman How long is the "hose" for the water cooler? doesn't have to be exact.

@MrAlmoOndo Год назад

@@Okkebeltman I have the Neo 15 with i9-12900H and I agree with all three points. Bigger fan in watercooler could be a lot less noisy but I guess it grew on me and it is still very quiet.

@xmg_gg Год назад

@@TipsyTaterTot They are around 65 cm long. // Tom

@TheOriginalJackTChance Год назад

Thanks for this in-depth review, I'd love to see you do this again with the brand-new 2023 models using the 4000 Series graphics cards and 13th Gen Intel CPUs! Given how hard it is to get one's hands on laptops from the other competing brands, I may be going for an Eluktronics model this time around, as it's the only brand that's really readily available (unless I want to buy an Alienware, and I'm not sure they're worth the premium price.)

@cameronbosch1213 Год назад

Hey Jarrod, since the laptop has the panel power saver option in an easy to find place, you tested the laptop on battery at 60 hz, correct?

@JarrodsTech Год назад

Yes as the screen lowered by default.

@yogeshdhiman563 Год назад

Hello Jarrod, any ideas about when you'll benchmark Acer Helios Predator 300 2022 refresh? I heard it has the best thermals for a 3070ti laptop.

@JarrodsTech Год назад

We are working on it now.

@ramatrader5713 Год назад

Jarrod pls put comparison video for Legion 5i pro 12th gen and HP omen 12 gen . Much needed. Thanks.

@ubongakpabio7576 Год назад

Hey @Jarrod'sTech Great video. I was planning on getting an MSI gp66 rtx 3070 but I'm a bit pessimistic about because its an i7 11th generation. Is that something I should be concerned about?

@iikatinggangsengii2471 Год назад

@sauviknandi504 Год назад

Just gonna have a terrible battery life compared to AMD versions

@joegrande. Год назад

Hey could you review the IETS 500 cooling pad for laptops I have heard it’s really good and wanted to know your opinion.

@rubenschilling Год назад

I need a 2 in 1 for university and I'm looking to buy the Lenovo Ideapad Flex 5 in the next days, is it a good time to buy a 2 in 1 rn or are there any new ones coming out in the next time that I should wait for?

@deilusi Год назад

I feel like no usb-charging is no-go, as even my old one I am using right now had it, and It saved me once or twice already to charge it from phone charger, at pathetic speeds, but still 30W was enough so in ~3h had full battery and I could use it. Not something you use everyday, but if you fly with laptop, a single charger for both phone and laptop is very nice. It also makes spotless desks, when you can run single cable of the desk for everything, sort it all to monitors, power bricks, network etc. out of sight. I find that liquid cooler results a bit underwhelming. I saw thermal imaging, those pipes do something, but I would expect much more. IMHO that liquid cooler should focus on GPU, even if CPU would have all that air thermal mass & fans for itself, it should be enough to cool it.

@user-pq4by2rq9y Год назад

Jarrod, when can we expect ryzen 7000 series to hit the laptop market? Should we wait?

@Supcharged Год назад

In like 6 months maybe for any real availability

@greebj Год назад

The next gen "4nm" GPUs from nvidia should give a nice bump in graphics due to improved power efficiency, if you can wait even longer AMD might disrupt with their next gen multi die. I'm looking at around 1yr away for my next laptop purchase

@arcnemisis3189 Год назад

Hey jarrod ,my legion 5i gen 6 unit ha a lot of backlight bleed,host it just 2 days ago but Lenovo is continuously refusing to replace my laptop. What should i do now ???

@HikingWithCooper Год назад

I just got the Eluktronics. Coming from a 1070 8GB and an 8th gen i7 to a 3080ti and a 13th gen i9...this computer is crazy fast. I did some Resolve renders with fusion comps and this was just spitting them out. The water cooling looks pretty cool but the app is not working and tech support takes the weekends off (fair enough...they replied very fast last time I emailed.) It's not even getting warm with just the air cooling although larger renders will definitely benefit from the water. Not incredibly crazy about the quality of the water pump nor the lack of a 2nd usb-c (yes, in 2023). There are still just a couple of these on clearance on Amazon so if you're in the market and don't have to have a 40 series, you could do much worse. UPDATE: I just got a 2nd nvme to upgrade. Removing a “star” because Eluktronics torqued the screws so tight that I tore the heck out of the bottom cover and had to drill a screw out. Still can’t get the cover off…maybe a couple hidden screws? Why would they not hand tighten these?

@wajeehulhassan_vii Год назад

I bought 15" Infinity AMD 5900hx RTX 3070 laptop, it's not shipped yet but I'm confused whether I should have gone for Asus A15 or Asus Strix. Only recently learned about the fan noise and temperature issue in Tong Feng machines.

@iliebogean4931 Год назад

How you optimize LEGION 5 PRO for gaming?

@rockz6931 Год назад

What cooling pad do you use if it cools your CPU that much? I am very interested!

@JarrodsTech Год назад

Thermaltake Massive 20 RGB, it's linked in the description of every laptop review

@teddym2808 Год назад

Damn these CB scores are as good as the 16 core HX ones in the bigger laptops! Why oh why didn't they at least make it a HK model so multipliers could be controller? 12900hk? I do not understand that decision. Also I would like to see a 12800HX variant.

@Terreos Год назад

6:12 This is what killed my excitement for this laptop real quick. If I was to use this as a Desktop Replacement and I can't hook up my thunderbolt 4 dock to my two external monitors and use the internal Nvidia GPU then it's a no go. If this ever got changed in a future model I'd probably have no reason not to try this laptop out. I was told that this was a limitation on intels 12th gen cpu though so unfortunately it might have be a refresh before that happens. So close. . .

@xmg_gg Год назад

The chassis with AMD Ryzen 6000 has the USB-C directly connected to NVIDIA GPU. Only one single DisplayPort 1.4 stream over that port, but it can be split further for multiple monitors with a MST-capable dock. By the way, even if you take Intel 12th Gen with a Thunderbolt dock on iGPU, you can still *use* the NVIDIA GPU on your two monitors via MSHybrid. They would perform exactly like the internal screen with NVIDIA Optimus (not Advanced Optimus). One advantage of having external monitors on iGPU is much lower power consumption in idle and web/office use. The dGPU can sleep while not gaming. // Tom

@Terreos Год назад

@@xmg_gg Well I'm glad you took the time to explain that to me. Thank you. I could probably make it work with that cleared up. I could probably ditch one of my dual monitors and use the laptops screen since 17" would be enough for my use case while using the monitor for gaming. Though with the Nvidia 4000 series coming out soon I'll probably have to be a good boy and wait for the laptop release. . .

@kellyjr0918 Год назад

Pretty cool never understood the point of having to have the liquid cooling part separated might as well just get a desktop then with all the space it'll take up

@vmafarah9473 Год назад

Can Take laptop to office and house, hookup to water cooler when needed. You can't carry desktop . Situations Like video rendering made in 3d visualising softwares will take some times 6 hours to render and can harm laptop if it's working on full power for hours. Two of my friends laptop died due to heavy renderings.

@kellyjr0918 Год назад

@@vmafarah9473 I've never had any problems with rendering on my laptop honestly but all laptops aren't equal sadly so that makes sense

@greebj Год назад

I bolted my WC setup under my desk, just have the 2x 10mm tubes and a small loop temp display poking up through a cable hole When I started out in DTR laptops I was already addicted to power hungry performance by being impatient, and I had 2 workplaces so I'd just lug the thing around with me everywhere. And also the pub next door where I'd have the beer garden to myself for long "working" lunches, beat the heck out of an office

@niebuhr6197 Год назад

When I asked Bob in his channel, he told me some chips were missing in the Amd and lacked advanced optimus. But yours have it?

@xmg_gg Год назад

XMG NEO 17 (M22) with AMD Ryzen 6000 has NVIDIA Advanced Optimus and NVIDIA G-SYNC. // Tom

@kismetrina Год назад

I have a question. When laptops motherboards are upside down, does it affect airflow?

@JarrodsTech Год назад

Depends on the design I suppose.

@user-ks6qn4lh3n Год назад

can you show more detailed graphics settings in games? more precisely - screenshots! or under the video give links to screenshots, thanks

@tulang3906 Год назад

hi Jarrod, i want to ask your opinion. which one is better : 1. Lenovo Legion 5 Pro 2021 (Gen 6), GPU 3070 2. Lenovo Legion 5 Pro 2022 (Gen 7),GPU 3070TI The difference Price between two notebook almost 700 US Dollar. My Concern is Lenovo Legion 5 Pro 2021 (Gen 6) only support ssd m.2 nvme pcie 3.0 (maximun Speed Read and Write only 3.500 MB/s), which have limited Speed Read and Write. Lenovo Legion 5 Pro 2022 (Gen 7) support ssd m.2 nvme pcie 4.0 (maximun Speed Read and Write almost 7.000 MB/s). I think for long term use, Lenovo Legion 5 Pro 2022 (Gen 7), how about your opinion about this?

@hacunamattata679 Год назад

For long term use u must wait for 2023 version.

@ericmartinez5633 Год назад

i wanted to connect this to my laptop i soldered copper pipe on bottom with m6 4mm quick connect fittings. does this only run with software? only for eluktronics laptop? could i bypass that and still use it on my laptop.

@ian2714 Год назад

Just picked up a 3080 ti 32gb config for $2199, can get a 16gb config for $1999, really hard to beat.

@etienne3108 Год назад

They need to offer Radeon options as well.

@Pamani_ Год назад

Seems too late to happen this gen. Maybe with for the 7000 series (finger crossed)

@assaultedzlayer8393 Год назад

Hey jarrod will you be reviewing the all amd legion 7 2022? Feels like its more interesting than the intel nvidia one.

@cameronbosch1213 Год назад

I don't know if Jarrod is, but I actually am soon. I'm running game benchmarks now.

@jonathanr4160 Год назад

Nice laptop but really expensive, at least from eluktronics compared to other brands. Many cheaper options if you don't care about the liquid cooling. The i9 12900H 3070ti model starts at $2600, yet i've seen legion 5 pro's on sale here in the US recently with the i7 12700H, 3070ti 150W for $1600!

@noneB974 Год назад

yeah these have 3080ti, obviously it will be expensive. Why compare pricing of two different gpus lol

@spartendeath Год назад

But the Eluktronics comes with DDR5 Ram, which is why its more expensive.

@jonathanr4160 Год назад

@@noneB974 I was comparing the cheapest configuration eluktronics offers for this model, which is $2600, to other laptops with similar specs that's all. Not everyone buying this is going to automatically go for the $3500 3080ti configuration. Plus, I bet its significantly more $ compared to other brands 3080ti models. Eluktronics is just really expensive. CyberPowerPC sells the exact same tongfang laptops for hundreds less even in the US, and has the liquid cooling now as well.

@jonathanr4160 Год назад

@@spartendeath I mean so does Lenovo, Alienware, Asus, HP, and pretty much every other brand? My Alienware M15 R7 with a 3070ti came with DDR5 and so does the legion 5 pro on sale right now with the 3070ti, i7 12700H.

@z4uy352 Год назад

Hey can you compare Asus zephyrus G15 2022 vs Asus rog strix g15? Thanks👍

@Romash. Год назад

Jarrod! what is the TGP for legion 7 gen 7 rx 6700m?? configuration

@fugginrambo Год назад

How many shots of Vodka do they hold?

@bfish9700 Год назад

I feel like these are very much like Egpus: a solution for something that isn't really a problem. You'd get much better performance from a desktop for less money, probably for the cost of these you could get a desktop that would smoke them and a laptop for travel. Also, in 6 months, next gen 4070/7700m should be 3080ti level of performance or better (I don't expect more than a 1 tier improvement for next gen) probably for more money than 3070/6700m but not ridiculous pricing like 3080ti laptops currently.

@Rockport1911 Год назад

Of course a desktop with a large watercooling loop for CPU and GPU would smoke this, even tho laptops have been very capable lately. But people who choose a laptop travel alot and need a mobile machine. With newest hardware they get hot and noisy which is where this watercooler comes in.

@kuwa333 Год назад

@@Rockport1911 yeah I don't get why desktop people always brag about desktops, travelers like me need a good laptop.

@adenedhel3855 Год назад

id love a desktop. but when you have a job that requires you to travel constantly and you like to game this is why you get these. i dont think anyone would disagree with you that desktops can offer more for less price. Your paying for mobility in laptops

@nbelkhanchi891 Год назад

Right now you get a discount on the Neo 17 (M22). With a 3070ti , 16 gb RAM and 500 GB SSD it wil cost 1698,-€. What do you think Jarrod, is it the right time to make the deal?

@joelconolly5574 Год назад

I wonder why these devices don't have an Advantage Edition yet. Seems like they could do well with a full AMD laptops.

@TheMacco26 Год назад

XMG just said today in their discord forum that they have long term plans for AMD GPU laptops, but nothing to be discosled so early. So.. maybe next year I guess?

@JarrodsTech Год назад

AMD dGPU seemed to ship late, it's why we're only just seeing some models with it now

@Meezy_FX Год назад

1:33 that's what she said

@whiteflametitan9064 Год назад

Need comparison on top picks rtx 3070 laptop

@organikproductionz9347 6 месяцев назад

is the mech brand worth it? im in the market for a upgrade from my current gaming laptop. im seeing crazy deals on these, just found one that matched my every spec needed. I9 139000HX from an I7 17500h 17 inch 2650x1600 screen from a 15.6 inch 1920x1080 screen 1000gb base ssd from a 500gb base ssd RTX 4090 from a RTX 2060 32GB ram from 16GB ram better battery life, newer bluetooth and wifi connectivity and higher resolution camera.

@Freshone48 5 месяцев назад

I just got the Mech 17 with a 4090. First impressions are very good, fan noise is very quiet while gaming and build quality feels solid. My only complaint so far are the speakers (not very good)

@META313. Год назад

Hey, Im contemplating about buying either Katana GF76 with 17.3 inch display (i7-11800h/RTX 3060 70-85W) or Nitro 5 with same config but 90-95W 3060, both for around same price. Is the display of GF76 similar to the one in this video (im mostly interested in response time)? I know Nitro's display isnt good and response time is bad as well. And overall which one would be a better option?

@dolbywolby9100 Год назад

get the katana, acer is cancer

@amruzaky4939 Год назад

Both kinda similar to each other bro. But neither are known for good display, far cry from Titan, Legion, or other mid to high choice reviewed in this channel. E.g. neither have 100 srgb. (I think one of Katana's last year had it, but not the 17" one) But if you're on competitive side, MSi usually has that response time. Katana usually has that slow SSD; meanwhile Nitro has worse ram,rendering the tdp irrelevant. MSi has hinge problem; meanwhile Acer just..well they fell apart easily, even the Helios one. So yeah, can't say much for budget choice. I'd say Katana since I personally know my friends got MSi from years ago(2019).

@META313. Год назад

@@amruzaky4939 Im planning to replace the stock ram with my own sticks so thats not the problem for me in case of Acer but I just have a impression that both of them are kinda wack in 1 aspect or another. I just dont have the high budget. the MSI one i got in plan goes for $900 and Acer for $950, so basically same price and that price is good for that CPU/GPU combo but still, laptops themselves r kinda trash.

@amruzaky4939 Год назад

@@META313. well, go for Katana since you're after response time. But since you mentioned the price range, alternatively you could get 1660ti Legion already equipped with 16 GB ram. There are 2060 Legion around that price too (starting at 980 USD) but with only 512 GB ROM instead of 1.5 TB. But since the last year's GPU fiasco, I doubt they still have Legion in stock, not even the used ones. So, there is also HP Omen 15 with 2060 ones at that range, but HP service is kinda hit or miss post-2021. I don't know about ASUS, everyone used to talk about ROG back then, but I rarely heard about them these days. I don't recommend TUF since their intel machine overheats easily, but they did have good response time tho.

@META313. Год назад

@@amruzaky4939 I found a great deal for Nitro 5 and went for it - i7-11800h, RTX 3060 95w, 1TB M.2 SSD and 16 gigs of ram for $900 and guy also included brand new Razer Viper Ultimate and Razer Blackshark V2 headset, Laptop was a brand new too, everything was in their boxes. So basically I paid $650-700 for the laptop after we factor in the Razer peripherals cost in the total price, absolute steal tbh

@cameronbosch1213 Год назад

6:27 Given that several brands have overcome that, like Razer & Dell, I'd say that's pretty pathetic to have no displayport or USB-C display out directly to the dGPU. Tongfang should have either added another USB-C port without Thunderbolt or made it work like Dell or Razer. And the AMD model seems to be an afterthought, I mean, if Asus can do liquid metal on AMD Ryzen CPUs since 2021, then I don't think there's much of an excuse anymore. Not to mention no type-c charging for a premium laptop isn't a good look in 2022. This laptop sadly feels like a prototype, which is a shame because it could have been better if they had fixed those issues...

@lennart2644 Год назад

1:32 You need to buy it a drink first, Jarrod...

@me-hk4ic Год назад

i wanna know what the watercooled mech 17 with a iets gt500 laptop cooling pad would be like lol

@mohamedabusharuk1018 Год назад

Bro pls talk about the alienware 'M' series motherboard failure issue😵😵

@Romash. Год назад

when are you going to review legion slim 7i/7 2022

@JarrodsTech Год назад

First Slim 7 video goes up today!

@teddym2808 Год назад

Ok, screen response time also kills it. Sigh. This one was close. The Intel one is an almost perfect laptop. Need an extra USB C or two, a screen overdrive mode and unlocked processor option and I'd be all over it like a fly on poo.

@theonlydeadtroll Год назад

Me at the wifi coffee shop- "hold on let me set up my waterloop cooling for my laptop"

@xmg_gg Год назад

Water cooling is an optional add-on. Not required for high performance operation. // Tom

@theonlydeadtroll Год назад

@@xmg_gg I know that it was just a joke

@Nogardtist Год назад

laptop are at their golden age of power and portability but thermals are really worrying

@Supcharged Год назад

The water cooling seems like mostly a gimmick for how little difference it makes

@jacques-hendrikvanaswegen281 Год назад

you're not considering fan noise at all? also if the next gen is anything to go by we will see 200 watt gpus again, then it will matter a lot.

@Supcharged Год назад

@@jacques-hendrikvanaswegen281 the different between performance and overboost is small enough on its own. Lower fan speed isn’t going to make it much slower.

@ACE112ACE112 Год назад

It makes a big difference in temperatures.

@Supcharged Год назад

@@ACE112ACE112 it doesn't get hot enough to throttle in any meaningful manner in any case.

@vmafarah9473 Год назад

It may help in long hour renderings,two of my friends fried their laptop by prolonged rendering.

@woodybg Год назад

I feel like 2900 EUR for 3070 TI is way too much. Both companies cut corners with way too much things (not labeled ports, slow response time on panels, 400 nits and low contrast, high temperatures, not liquid metal on AMD machine, thermal throttling without the liquid cooler, hard to remove the water from the laptops and etc.) for these laptops to be appealing compared to brands like Asus, Lenovo and MSI.

@dog2667 Год назад

In China, the amd version of the xmg neo 17 is called the 机械革命蛟龙17pro. On the Pinduoduo e-commerce platform, the minimum price of the 16+1T specification is about 9100 yuan.机械革命蛟龙17pro dont have mechanical keyboard

@Romash. Год назад

legion 7 2022 amd advantage?

@assaultedzlayer8393 Год назад

You also can't get enough of legions can you? 😂😂, The all amd version of legion 7 feels more interesting than the intel nvidia one, so im really hoping jarrod reviews it.

@cameronbosch1213 Год назад

@@assaultedzlayer8393 I actually am soon. I'm running game benchmarks now.

@killeguy Год назад

Why are they the same laptop but very diffrent at the same type? Copyrights?

@cameronbosch1213 Год назад

Different OEMs sell the same Tongfang chassis depending where you are in the world; Eluktronics in the U.S., XMG in Europe and U.K.

@alexandrpopov1545 Год назад

What exactly are the "high" settings in rdr2? On my ge76 with i9 and 3080ti with all settings on ultra with dlss in quality, 3440*1440 and water physics on medium I have around 60 fps, sometimes 50, sometimes 80. But here I see 94 for gt77 although it is 3-5% faster and even when I checked the review of ge76 it showed 120 fps in full hd. But I don't have those numbers. So really want to understand what are the high settings

@ACE112ACE112 Год назад

I'm pretty sure he doesn't show 4k gaming redults in the video. Make sure you are playing in the same resolution.

@gibingeorge3352 Год назад

For laptop comparisons, Jarrod uses the 'high' preset (the preset right below 'ultra' preset) for RDR. He only shows how it performs in ultra settings in the individual review of the laptop.

@amruzaky4939 Год назад

That's just the average results of benchmarking (there's the benchmark menu in graphics settings) right at 1080 resolutions with high presets (make sure you have the same resolution selected for comparison).

@JarrodsTech Год назад

High is everything set to high, anisotropic filtering at x4 and TAA turned off.

@marcin_karwinski Год назад

So much internal space wasted... extra cooling with extra thermal mass would have paid off in kind... heck the space in front could have been used for better/larger speaker setup to even better utilise the under-the-wrist-rest area for something useful... or maybe go the workstationy route and put there NFC+smartcard/smartid reader...

@xmg_gg Год назад

The empty space is for buoyancy. ;-) XMG NEO 17 weighs only 2.8 kilogram, despite the gigantic 17" 16:10 display and the air cooling system that can disperse a total of 175W GPU Power without breaking a sweat. The chassis has two M.2 SSD slots, with only one of them occupied by default. // Tom

@Frencho9 Год назад

Well, love the concept of a 17.3 to 18.4 inch desktop replacement laptop with water cooling, but this chassis is downright horrible and misses the mark. The chassis lacks too many ports to be a desktop replacement, which is the target audience of 17.3 inch and up. You need 3 to 4 USB A, 2 USB-C, full size HDMI, ethernet. I plug 1 mouse, 1 keyboard, 1 DAC/AMP on USB-A ports, then on the two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, 1 or 2 external storage units, and use an USB-A to USB-C connector for my Xbox Controller. Then the HDMI port to connect to a 42 inch OLED TV and wired ethernet for FPS multiplayer gaming to warrant lowest latency and most stable connexion. And I have an SD Card reader there, that I rarely use. This new 17.3 inch chassis NEO/Mech 17 just does not cut it, the motherboard is comically small and leaves so much room unused for ports. And I plug all this on a CLEVO PB71RF-G chassis from 2019, it's been 3 years and I have not seen a laptop offer as many ports! 3 USB -A, 1 USB-C with display port, 1 Thunderbolt 3, separate audio in and mic in, ethernet port, Full size HDMI 2.0b, mini Display port 1.4 and an SD card reader! And I fill it all up as a desktop replacement, I have to choose between my controller or a second external storage unit!

@darrell9616 Год назад

This is yet another Tongfang machine that looks great on paper but comes up short in practice. In many ways, these machines remind me of MSI, though at least Tongfang implemented Advanced Optimus which MSI can't seem to figure out. Given the price point of these machines, I was left a bit underwhelmed. The lack of Type C ports and the terrible webcam leaves me scratching my head. I'm interested in seeing the next iteration of these machines. I'll pass on these for now.

@serdavosseaworth6115 Год назад

Wouldn’t spend the money on unreliable Chinese made components, they do come with a 2 year warranty though which is pretty good I guess,.

@darrell9616 Год назад

@@serdavosseaworth6115 Most components are made in China along with several whole machines, including from big-name companies. What matters is the level of engineering and testing invested in the product. It's obvious here that corners were cut to get this to market. As with many of these ODM rebrands, I expect this machine to be forgotten within 6 months, with no new BIOS or driver updates.

@cameronbosch1213 Год назад

@@darrell9616 To be fair, almost all computers are made in China or Taiwan. And most OEMs are either Chinese or Taiwanese (except for Dell & HP).

@darrell9616 Год назад

@@cameronbosch1213 No doubt. I was speaking more about general support, not the country of manufacture. I'm far more concerned about BIOS and software support than where a machine is made. My previous Tongfang experience wasn't a great one.

@cameronbosch1213 Год назад

@@darrell9616 Though Lenovo is very good in those regards.

@NoName-zf6nr Год назад

The noise samples must be too low compared to Jarrod's voice and other notebooks at same dB values. They give the false impression of a silent notebook but it sounds so silent that it cannot be the reality. --robert jasiek

@xmg_gg Год назад

dB values only tell half the story. Acoustic profile differs from system to system, with some models (such as NEO 17) "sounding" more quiter than what you read on the dB meter. I will highlight your comment to Jarrod to ask him if he keeps his microphone gain in sync between reviews. // Tom

@JarrodsTech Год назад

The problem is those are recorded with a camera that sits on the mic. The on camera talking has a mic positioned above me, while voice overs have yet another mic that I stand in front of, so it is difficult to get it all the same. The important thing to focus on is the db values and comparing those with other videos I think. Oh also I swapped to a new camera a few months ago which changed how the mic on top sounds.

@NoName-zf6nr Год назад

@@JarrodsTech For reference, let me first express that I very much like the overall quality of your reviews and usually your noise samples are also very helpful. dB values in themselves are meaningful to some extent but noise samples can greatly improve one's decision-making in principle if done right. This is so because different noises at the same dB can be less or more pleasant. How to get them right? I think it is necessary for a reviewer to verify his video draft subjectively as to whether the volume of his voice versus the volume of the noise samples are calibrated to reflect reality. In your other reviews, I have had the impression that you have done it right. Just in this video, I am not convinved at all about the relative volume of the noise samples. --robert jasiek

@NoName-zf6nr Год назад

@@xmg_gg dB values, subjective perception of acoustic profiles in noise samples and the variety of settings in fan modes all matter. If the significantly lower volume in these noise samples should not be too misleading, I would agree that the kind of Neo 17 noise seems to be more pleasant than of other notebooks at same dB values. It seems to be like smooth wind. This can be an acceptable kind of noise provided its volume does not become too large. Every fan with an acceptable kind of noise becomes unpleasant nevertheless if only the noise becomes loud enough. Thank you for trying to help the reviewer with synchronisation of noise volumes! --robert jasiek

@siyzerix Год назад

Oh man, if only there was some way to undervolt both these CPU's to lower temps and actually get greater access to clock speed control. Funny enough, ngreedia allows undervolting and not AMD and intel for thier laptop parts. So nvidia GPU's can be made to run cooler but not AMD GPU's on laptops. And intel used to allow undervolting so they could run cooler than AMD but now both run hot

@Nabucorf Год назад

Hello youtube people, I would like to ask you a question. If you had to choose between a Legion 5 Pro (6th gen R7 5800h RTX 3070 16GB DDR4 1TB SSD Pcle 3.0) for $2300 or the legion 5i Pro (7th gen i7 12700h RTX 3070ti 16GB DDR5 1TB SSD pcle 4.0) for $3200 which would you choose? Now, I know what many people think and I know that they would choose the first one, I would too, but I want to do graphic design courses, as well as study architecture and the programs that I am going to use require a more powerful CPU and not so much the GPU than the I will use more for casual gaming. I also know that the ram of the Legion 5 Pro(6th gen) is slower and reduces performance and I will have to buy another one separately. But do you think you should buy the 6th Gen or the 7th gen?

@jonathanr4160 Год назад

For almost $2000 more dollars, Intel isn't worth that much to me in any case. Why are the prices so vastly different? They are going to perform very similarly even if Intel does pull out ahead in CPU demanding stuff. Definitely would go with the first choice and save $1900...

@Nabucorf Год назад

@@jonathanr4160 Sorry, it's 3200, not 4200

@jonathanr4160 Год назад

@@Nabucorf so almost an extra $1000? That's still really high considering the $2300 laptop Ryzen 6000 CPU isn't trash by any means and still a powerful CPU. I'd pick Intel for a couple extra hundred but at that price difference I'd take the Ryzen model and wouldn't look back. Its still going to perform really well overall.

@Nabucorf Год назад

@@jonathanr4160 you're right It's not worth the $900 jump. I will just buy two ram 16gb 3200 x8 for 90$ and with that basically the performance goes up by 10% and it still saved me 800$

@the_golden_s5682 Год назад

Why did you turn on light mode for profile pic? What are you a traitor?

@bluupbrr286 Год назад

Amazing features. But it probably costs $10k so a pass for me.

@theisgood0 Год назад

Right laptops are so expensive

@cameronbosch1213 Год назад

@The European Bee Or the Legion 7 or 7i.

@theisgood0 Год назад

@The European Bee I really don’t know “modern” laptops really well so you guys clearly have the better advice. I have a GTX 1050 acer laptop. It’s been my rock. But man does it suffer when it comes to playing new games. So anything you recommend is probably better then my current laptop.

@abaj006 Год назад

I think the AMD is faster in games, because the CPU uses less power, therefore the GPU can use more power.

@tangotyke6870 Год назад

Some games are cpu intensive and some games are gpu intensive.

@chiquita683 Год назад

Sounds like an accident waiting to happen

@Evgw Год назад

Introducing the desktop with a battery

@unhingedv Год назад

Ayeee

@adamek9750 Год назад

wow $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

@ahmed_fk3086 Год назад

اتمنى ان تترجم الفيديوات الى اللغه العربيه ❤

@emmanuelamoman4277 Год назад

Second😊

@teddym2808 Год назад

Intel battery performance unacceptable. Deal killer.

@Gmoney30001 Год назад

Dumb question how does water cooled laptops work??

@Mastezz Год назад

Just watch the video

@alialbeloshi5425 Год назад

Still msi titan best

@fortnite_starxx5791 Год назад

bruv, your reviews have become long. I need 3 days to finish this video

@rodgermurphy5721 Год назад

Not worth it

@NachoManRandySandwich Год назад

I have the XMG APEX 17, it's a piece of shit. Constantly overheats and shuts down. They even shipped it with the wrong language keyboard and when I contacted support they thought I had bought the 15 inch version Completely incompetent company, stay away The sound card also stopped working on my now 2 month old laptop It was also advertised on their website that it has a TDP of 54 Watts when in actuality it is only 45 Watts which I found out after testing

@xmg_gg Год назад

This seems like a case for tech support. None of what you write is normal for XMG APEX 17 or any other XMG laptop. We have sold countless units of APEX 17 with AMD Ryzen 5000 and they all work fine. They can maintain *54W CPU Package Power* and they do not shut down. If you only see 45W TDP, you might want to change your Control Center profile from "Entertainment" to "Performance". If your system shuts down, your unit might have a cooling system issue. And why do you say support assumes you bought the 15-inch version? It would not matter, because the 15" and 17" have exactly the same keyboard. I am not aware of your customer or support ticket number so I cannot look deeper into your case. Please reply to our last e-mail and briefly list up your current issues. We will take it from there. // Tom

@NachoManRandySandwich Год назад

@@xmg_gg This is typical of my experience with XMG so far. Right off the bat you imply that I'm lying "None of what you write is normal for XMG APEX 17 or any other XMG laptop. We have sold countless units of APEX 17 with AMD Ryzen 5000 and they all work fine." The reason I say that support assumes I bought a 15" model is because that is what they said in the email that they replied to me. I had to make a point of saying that I bought a 17" model because if they shipped my laptop with the wrong language keyboard it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if I got sent a 15" replacement laptop. The only reason I haven't sent it back yet is because I need it for the next 2 weeks for work. I want a NEW replacement laptop when I do send it back and not this POS laptop repaired or a refurbished laptop either. I paid a lot of money for my laptop and I expect it to work. And I'm not posting my support ticket number in the comments section of a youtube video either

@xmg_gg Год назад

@@NachoManRandySandwich I did not ask you to post your support ticket number here on RU-vid. I asked you to reply to our last e-mail and briefly list up your current issues. We will take it from there. // Tom

@NachoManRandySandwich Год назад

@@xmg_gg What you left out of this reply speaks volumes

@greebj Год назад

Toxic customer alert. Do what the man says. All these components are made by the thousand in chinese factories. They're not all perfect and stuff goes bad. But this is what after sales service is for. The man is telling you the next step to do to get a solution. Do you want to get your issue fixed or just whine on YT comments? In my customer support experience the ones who don't follow the recommended steps and provide the requested information are the ones with something to hide.