175 - An Overseer Found Dead, Secret Memos, CSA Exposed, & A Brave Couple - Meet The 2x2s

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In this episode we meet Kyle and Kari, a brave couple that has been a support (along with others) to their community of religious disaffiliates as they have been awakened to the realities of their group in shocking ways. What group are we talking about? Meet the Two By Twos, at times referred to as "the no name church", a group that doesn't necessarily have a specific designated name from within, but which has been given names primarily by the secular community. Much like Jehovah's Witnesses, they often refer to their doctrine as The Truth, and they also use similar terminology, such as the friends, the meetings, elders, overseers, worldly, conventions, and more. Sadly, just like Jehovah's Witnesses but more recent, they too have been devastated by allegations of child sex abuse that have come out of the darkness and into the light. This is the story of Kyle and Kari, and the group commonly known today as the 2x2s, the Two By Twos, and The Truth.
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@gaidurakismate 4 месяца назад

I’m so grateful for this interview. Finding any information on 2x2s, especially current, is so hard. You do good work!

@eloisa3434 21 день назад

É só ir nas reuniões, ler a Biblia, meditar que todas as respostas serão respondidas, não há nada oculto, o Caminho é perfeito, é Jesus, se alguns membros se desviam ainda assim é a Verdade e não muda, agora os homens mudam a Verdade conforme seus interesses ,

@StefWokeUp 4 месяца назад

Great interview!! Thank you all so much for getting the word out there. 🙏🏼

@CowTipperVern-fk6su 4 месяца назад

@shunnedpodcast thanks for having us on! (This is Kyle) We had a great time and we love your podcast. The simulations between our old cultures are really amazing. You’re doing great things! All the best!

@shunnedpodcast 4 месяца назад

It was a pleasure to get to meet you both, and I have so much respect for what you've done and continue to do, even if at some point you just go live your own lives away from supporting others. Everyone should get a chance to live free from these groups, and I'm glad that you are. Best wishes moving forward, finding yourselves in new ways, and living in happiness, whatever that looks like for you. :)

@eloisa3434 21 день назад

Perseguindo a igreja de Cristo, que Deus tenha misericórdia de nós

@eloisa3434 21 день назад

Perseguindo a igreja de Cristo, que Deus tenha misericórdia de nós

@kellygraves3817 3 месяца назад

Thank you! Really appreciate this interview. So many similarities

@JeffreyMarston Месяц назад

This cult started in Ireland and grew rapidly in the 1900's. This secret sect had a great appeal to rural people due to their simplicity and reputation of living in poverty themselves, owning nothing. My mother's family had many members to include workers/overseers. At 12 I was allowed to discontinue attending meetings with the family as I declined to "Profess" and be baptized into the cult. I questioned the false doctrine and would not accept the answers give me, especially when they contradicted what I read in the Bible.

@eloisa3434 21 день назад

Na verdade começou nos céus com Jesus, na época de Jesus e depois discípulo Paulo também diziam seita, que Deus tenha misericórdia de nós.

@kellygraves3817 3 месяца назад

East coast Milford convention a brother worker snapped antennas off. I know people in CA who grew up with Christmas trees, wore their hair down. So many differences coast to coast

@marsharansom3254 2 месяца назад

They did in PA , too.

@StefWokeUp 4 месяца назад

The similarities are shocking.

@K-Fred 4 месяца назад

Thanks for the story. Hearing there are so many dealing with so much of being in high control groups. My heart goes out to individuals just trying to do the right thing. ❤

@lauriedefelice8132 2 месяца назад

ex 2x2 here (the truth, no name , the way). got out in late 70s when I was a teen. my parents were strict strict strict and my father abusive. so very cult and shunny for sure

@eloisa3434 21 день назад

Que triste que não conseguiu ver o Amor de Cristo, isso é pra poucos, não é pir esrar lá dentro que foi iluminado, tem que alcançar a Revelação e só Deus que pode dar.

@grapevinez6026 4 месяца назад

I remember a missionary at bethel dying because she "got stuck in a fold-up bed" and was found later by her husband. As an adult, I wonder what truly happened there.

@shunnedpodcast 4 месяца назад

Accidents certainly happen, but there are also really messed up things that happen in the cult just like there would be anywhere else, as they're just people. I've known of many sad situations, crimes really, that have occurred inside the organization.

@Gabby-er1sr 2 месяца назад

The brotherhood protects the brotherhood , even in the fog of war , heat of battle , these Devil's in the flesh are untouchable's

@lillywildflower Месяц назад

I’d be upset if I went to bethel and only got a fold up bed 😂 I bet it was a single bed too

@Gabby-er1sr Месяц назад

@@lillywildflowerand rusty

@gr8lydeceved663 4 месяца назад

Wow....what a story!!

@grapevinez6026 4 месяца назад

Great channel, keep up the good work.

@eloisa3434 21 день назад

Bom trabalho de satanás p perseguir a igreja de Cristo .

@robyndowney2233 Месяц назад

So glad you didn't go down the dark path completely, Kari and the host. Definitely better to have stepped away from the gaslighting and bad thoughts and insidiousness that is created to play on people's minds. Praise God and Christ that you are all out and free and enjoying God's ways, the way he intended. God bless all. 🙂🙏🙏🙏

@eloisa3434 21 день назад

Tá bem como satanás gosta

@KristyLaGringa Месяц назад

Shout out from Seattle area! 💙

@tilu3303 Месяц назад

Leaving a cult should be viewed as a reconstruction rather than a deconstruction. It's tough to see people leaving one cult and end up being in another one where they become their own god which leaves them no better off than when under the "god" they used to "serve".

@nelliemcclain8921 Месяц назад

That is exactly why I won't look for another worship group!!

@sarareimold3151 Месяц назад

That's so interesting..i might know a family who left this group. I kept asking them what religion they were in, but they said that it didn't have a name, which was so confusing to me!

@eloisa3434 21 день назад

Porque não é religião, Jesus não deixou placa, deixou umCaminho a seguir,

@ShoNuffSoulBro1 4 месяца назад

Sounds practically identical to JW culture and thinking.

@eloisa3434 21 день назад

Só na aparência, na Verdade não há leis de regras, nem igreja, templos, nem se pede dinheiro a ninguém, mesmo que alguns membros erram ainda é a Verdade e não muda.

@peofortheceo1830 4 месяца назад

Great story. It's incredible how much it sounds like JW'S 😮

@De5O54 4 месяца назад

Yes aye, really quite strange. It does sound like it, (minus the Watican HQ). The lingo, learned sensibilities and behavioural software is as near as makes no difference, interchangeable.

@lynetteturnwald6129 Месяц назад

Workers in south Australia would snap antennas off cars!! Luckily aerials dont exist anymore, but its actually property dammage & my gosh, I'd report them if they dared deface anything of mine

@deanodebo 2 месяца назад

Just an observation - but, super awkward watching a wife right in front of her husband on a worldwide platform talk about being bi as well as dating other men. His face! Sorry bro

@tilu3303 Месяц назад

Yes - this might've been what surprised me most. Then again - so much is hidden and suppressed by high control groups that a person doesn't even know what all might come to the surface once the chains come off.

@robertmanderfield9580 3 месяца назад

Never heard of that group. Thank you for being on and teaching us about this group. (cult)

@catmeow333 4 месяца назад

“Nice” does not always mean GOOD !

@De5O54 4 месяца назад

In Victorian times, the word ‘nice’ meant the exact opposite of what it means now. At this same time, baby clothes were pink for boys and blue for girls, this also got reversed.

@dabidiam 4 месяца назад

3rd gen Witness and in all my years of being a Witness, I never heard the term 2x2s. I get it, of course. They go door to doors by groups of 2. I learned something new today, thanks.

@nicolehataley3807 4 месяца назад

Not the same as Witnesses

@marsharansom3254 2 месяца назад

2x2 means the ministers go out in mission field in same sex pairs. It's similar to JWs but not the same.

@Linda-km2qm 2 месяца назад

I have traveled the world and easily found others to have fellowship. Since there are no rules and regulations it is different in different areas. It is preached to follow and worship God and not any man. My experience is different and I was encouraged to ask questions and bring anyone to a meeting. I never feel or felt restricted of anything to be accepted but encouraged to be modest and follow the commandments. It saddens me when I hear others who have been harmed in any way and wish only good things in their lives.

@lorijean4008 2 месяца назад

However, w/ all the CSA & SA coming out & Yes, the workers & friends Absolutely Know What's Going On bc I've heard from my family & friend's who Are Shocked but are Praying & Very Supportive of & for The Victims. A lot of people I've heard on "other videos or talking to in person from some people who also left that think it's still hidden & that people like my family & friends who still go Are Supposedly Not Supporting The Victims & my experience talking to many That is Not Any of their Reasons for Still Going/or Not Leaving ~All in all I have found many different views, thoughts, experiences both inside & outside the 2x2's

@eloisa3434 21 день назад

Satanás está trabalhando duramente contra a igreja de Cristo , membros erram , e a justiça dos homens que seja feita, mas oremos que deus conceda arrependimento e os salve, tanto a eles como todas as vítimas

@msbelinda1000 Месяц назад

I'm now 5 years in to being shunned from JW. Lonely but free!

@lorijean4008 2 месяца назад

From listening to different people who were in our 2x2 way in videos, I think a lot of our exact feelings abt what we believed were more based on who our family's were for parents or grandparents ~ or maybe it's based on reason leaving bc you were scared to death of going to hell (such as cutting bangs @ age 14) & after high school leaving home & never turning back, but then wanting to go back when older bc your life was a mess from drugs, alcohol etc but either seeing differently of how nice you were treated by the friends in your parents home mtgs. by going back to the fellowship ~but obviously I've heard so many others w/ completely opposite experiences that I have never heard of or seen before in all my childhood yrs or after I had gone back several times throughout adult yrs. I'm in NO WAY saying others are exaggerating things or making things up ~because like I said @ beginning I think it was everyone's different family's who "Gave them their thoughts & ideas" how we saw ourselves, what we were "taught" how we looked at outside world, having friends from school & just by time stamp 25min for this video & other's I've watched

@marsharansom3254 2 месяца назад

That's pretty true.

@delorisbriggs2639 2 месяца назад

Been there done that and can relate

@Annewelch435 2 месяца назад

There are members here in Barbados. I have members who grew up with me and my neighbour is a member. Growing up they could not watch TV. They dress in long sleeves, no jewellry. A school friend of mine became a worker. Religious deception is widespread. Thank God for Jesus🙏

@BEASTxMODE 4 месяца назад

Thanks for the interview! Sounds like a subdivision of JW org Spiritual = Imaginary. JW publications use it a lot as well. 17:46

@eloisa3434 21 день назад

Nada a ver, na Verdade não seguimos regras , mas Jesus, Ele é o Pastor, o Caminho, as medidas é Deus que dá.

@edeecampbell9278 4 месяца назад

Did an ex JW start this group?

@shunnedpodcast 4 месяца назад

ExJWs haven't started anything to do with the 2x2s. I could see where the similarities might lead one to wonder if it was someone formerly JW related that started it though.

@marsharansom3254 2 месяца назад

No, but they were founded in the same time period.

@ThatWomanJezebel 4 месяца назад

May the old gods, the new gods and the gods that haven’t been invented yet bless you in helping people out!!! This was awesome!!! Thanks for sharing.

@zelliehtrue Месяц назад

UK church history! I know this one! Weird christian religions started in the UK in the 1800s because the CofE was a state religion. CofE/Anglicanism could only build new churches if they had an Act of Parliement giving permission for them to build it. For each and every new church! Veerrrryyyy slow process. So the new towns and cities and new city suburbs had no churches for the new populations that moved there. So people started their own bible groups and lay preachers giving Sunday sermons meeting in rented rooms/meeting halls, and people's homes. So we got Methodists, Wesleyans, and a lot of others that way. It's also why they talk about workers and adult education a lot, because there was also movements for universal education, workers rights and unions, often involving the same people.

@CarolynMccoy-e7f 2 месяца назад

Sounds like a combination of JW and Mormonisn.

@zman42 2 месяца назад

Pretty much 😂

@Gabby-er1sr Месяц назад

Things got a bit fishy when they used a fish symbol

@anniemcdonald6616 Месяц назад

Sorry, but i can remember going door to door to drop off flyers

@BianchiRoadshow 4 месяца назад

Now soft-shunned is kind of like having a semi ... correct?

@sarahyoung6799 4 месяца назад

Is there a support group anywhere for ex jw's?

@shunnedpodcast 4 месяца назад

I used to run a Facebook group of 2000+ individuals, but today I offer one on one support and coaching through recovery. There are lots of groups on Facebook, one that has a pretty good vibe being The Liberati on there, and there is the very large exjw subreddit at r/exjw. At one point I would host weekly recovery groups online, but it was a lot of work and not always well supported. So you can find one on one support in a safe environment through someone like myself, and you can find lots of groups on Facebook and reddit. Just be aware that in these groups you're often getting support from other people that are hurting too in the same ways, which can be validating, but the advice isn't always the healthiest if people haven't gotten help and demonstrated real change, so take everything with a grain of salt.

@sarahyoung6799 4 месяца назад

@@shunnedpodcast how would I go about the one on one?

@shunnedpodcast 4 месяца назад

@@sarahyoung6799 Just go to this link, read the page if you like, fill out the form and submit it. Then I'll reach out when I have openings in my schedule and if one is a match for your schedule and you want it, we can get you set up. exjwhelp.com/professional-one-on-one-cult-recovery-coaching/

@De5O54 4 месяца назад

Not directly related to this discussion - i just found that the ‘Church of Scientology’ bought out the C.A.N (Cult Awareness Network) and run it as is after taking it over.

@msbelinda1000 Месяц назад

I'm in central Canada and never found another ex JW.

@marmieRH 4 месяца назад

In french they say: " les amis de la vérité " 😂😂😂

@pamelanowell1 3 месяца назад

It stops with you. God will deliver you from generational sins. God sees. God knows. God cares. ✝️

@lolatrevithick1273 3 месяца назад

I read history a while back that Jw’s came from the Wm Irvine group in 1914.

@RobertaWaller-w6x 2 месяца назад

Iola? I'm from Iola

@marsharansom3254 2 месяца назад

Not true

@lindarand-mills9015 4 месяца назад

Why do you keep "labeling" yourselves??? "Disfellowshipping" is not "shunned." It is defamation of Character, which folks need to SUE. There is no such "word" to GOD. JESUS came to SAVE, not "condemn folks!!!"