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Hallo,Mr.Rose,I am 59 years and play a old westernaccustic Suzuki guitar worked in the early 1980is,my e-guitar is a 'John.Birch'from 1972,both guitars stay in front for refreching and I am from southgermany,when I was a amerikan I would send both guitars immidiatley to your hands,because you are a guitar artists yes,I am a big fan.greetings Rolf,now I hope that my health are soon better and I start this plan.
Thanks again for a great repair of this second guitar I have sent to you. I am sure your viewers remember the "Regal Wreck" (Video 161 and 162). I am honored to have TWO of my guitars immortalized in your great videos. As always, I learned much from your description of this repair. I have the Ovation back home and it is nothing but GREAT. Thanks again. Sorry to say I don't have any more challenging guitars to send you! LOL. Tom
Thank you for the video Jerry, I really live for your videos and none have ever been anticlimactic to me. As a matter of fact, I end up learning something just about every single time you post. I really enjoy so many of the guys out there now repairing guitars now on RU-vid. Thank you for your time.
You take a great deal of pride in your repair jobs. Superb work. I love old Ovation guitars, even though, they have many built in design faults that cause problems with time.
Jerry, it's a good thing you couldn't see my face when you mentioned that dreaded Gorilla glue. I've never used it on a repair, but don't know how many times someone used it on a "repair" before it came to me the fix their fix. LOL I always tell my customers if you're comfortable, then go ahead, but it not, then don't try it and bring it to me. It'll cost them much less if I can just do the repair. In all honesty, I despise that stuff. Now Gorilla wood glue and especially their CA glue, I use tons of. Love them both! Getting ready to do almost exactly the same repair. Looks to be about the same amount loose on the one in my shop as the one you did. Only difference is the burst finish on the one I have. Kinda thinking I'm probably gonna have to work out a way to clamp, as the binding looks as if it'll need pulled in to make contact with the end of the top. Why don't these companies address known problems? I guess as long as folks are buying then they'll keep spitting it out. Thanks for the videos!!
Hi Jerry, I keepp watching your videos and of course learning with you. Not that I'm going to try any major repair but, now I know how to do the smaller ones that, before, looked like miracles! Thanks a lot!
that thin ca sure does get into places water couldn't even run, very nice work. happy 4th of July weekend to you and yours I hope is a great one for you!
I have an older one and the fat saddle was weedled out bad, so I drimmled it out and put a hardwood insert with a standard saddle and pickup.It sounds good.
Cool you admitted the mildew remover didn't work, you showed us the oops with the glue AND you admitted you filed the nut slot too low. It's great, you are only human, and making mistakes (or at least things not going as expected) are all part of life!
I'm also glad you didn't use the gorilla glue. I've used it and although its strong it can leave a snotty residue similar to araldite (and snot :-) ). The renaissance polish is my preferred choice like yours. Leaves a good hard finish even though it can be expensive for a small tin. Another great video and like the way you always tell the truth.
Remember, Torres, the great classical guitar luthier (and a good player / composer too) once built a guitar with the back and sides made of paper mache just to prove to his fellow luthiers that you could make the back and sides out of just about anything and it would still sound good as long as you had a great top. It's all about the top. The only differences I've ever noticed is that using maple or cypress for the backs and sides will make the guitar a little brighter, but all other woods, including laminates, sound pretty much the same for the back and sides. Granted, I've never played a guitar with Brazilian Rosewood back and sides, but I think I can say without reserve that I've never once been able to tell Indian Rosewood from Mahogany, Sapele, Walnut or Ovangkol on backs and sides. As far as laminates go, I think the only thing that matters is what the inside layer is made from, and I think I can easily provide good evidence for this.
I’m not a luthier but a carpenter. I fixed one of these where the top was separating from the back and I used two part epoxy. It worked really good. I was gonna use ca glue but I thought the epoxy was going to be stronger. I’ve had epoxy fail on shit tho too so ca might be better.
I think there was an overlap of two pieces of tape and no matter what, there’ll be a small opening for that thin glue to sneak in. Especially with the capillary action of CA.
That stuff works good , I`ve learn`t over the years what a whiteout pen will do to hide a crack after it`s glued it`s tough enough to last few yrs or till the warrenty is gone LOL I use it to hide cracks on taxidermy skulls -But you can fill the back edge to make the gap closer it cleans up good on surfaces but fills gaps to hide them and it`s paintable . Sound great - My Bass is still in tune .
For what it's worth, at any decent hobby shop they have CA remover/debonder. It's actually kind of amazing because it turns the glue kind of slippery and immediately breaks it down so you could clean up the dry glue easily and quickly.
another great watch Gerry, I seem to remember Linda Manzer uses strips of rubber like a shredded (length ways) bicycle inner tube) wrapped around her guitars when glueing the top on her guitars, I know you didn`t need it, but I wondered if that may have been the answer to your clamping dilemma, one for the future maybe! thanks again.
Hey Mr. Rosa, I absolutely love the channel and have learned so much. Only one request, Since you have so many fine instruments come through your shop, Do you think you could give some of us guitar geeks more info on the instruments you work on ? Model, year, history. Especially us guitar players that aren't very familiar with Mandolins ect. Thanks so much for sharing your vast knowledge. Steve Mayers
great job and some good singing/picking. I heard you mention gorilla glue. I too would have considered it but looks as if you made the right choice. thanks
Jerry, very good repair and even better advice on what to do when something doesn't go quite as you expect. CA glue can be a real mess. Thanks for sharing your techniques and honesty about fixing things when something goes a little wrong. The sign of a true craftsman, knowing what to do when something goes a little wrong. You had two errors happen on this and corrected both of them gracefully. The top repair final results looks great on film. The string in the nut being lowered a bit too much, then replaced with a new deer antler (i.e. bone). The deer antler should transfer sound a little better. Did the top edge require any scraping or sanding?
Hi Jerry. Could you point me in which video do you use the custom saw you mention in 1:50? And many thanks for your videos, I'm learning tons with them. Regards
Glenn Campbell but them on the map, and they've been around a long time. Must be something good about them. I'd like to try one someday. Good job Sir...Regards, Solomon
So I realize there's not a lot of love for Ovations (particularly in country and bluegrass circles). I have a Celebrity (made in Korea) and it always sounded better amplified than it did acoustic. I always got the feeling that the Ovations were made more for performing than recording. People like Glenn and Roy Clark used them live and they were just solid, easy playing instruments.
That's exactly how I look at them Dean. They aren't particularly loud when played acoustically either. The back material sounds okay but is not something that's going to project well, and the shape is to cut down on standing waves. Everything about it says it's meant to be played plugged in.
I wish I was confident enough to use a little saw like that on the nut. I realized that I will probably have to deepen the slots in the nut on my archtop. I looked for files to do this job on Stew Mac and was dismayed to see how expensive they were.
Acetone cleans CA glue off pretty well. Thanks for the video. A friend of mine asked me how to fix the binding on his Ovation that belonged to his deceased Dad. I’m passing this video on to him…btw, love the song at the end of the video. Sounds great man, what’s the name of it?
Jerry, Nice job as always. Maybe it's just the camera angle, but the rear strap button looks suspiciously bent. perhaps a drop caused the separation . . . or the strap pulling tension on that plastic?
I want to tell you that in my experience too much moisture ruins your guitars fairly quickly. Too dry a room, on the other hand does the same too. Keep your guitars (and for what matters any instrument far away from temperature gaps and far away from moisture if you want them to stay stable. That is my experience talking and I have more than 50 string instruments dated from 1896 to 2010. I agree fully to your opinion: keep them more dry than damp, don´t let them freeze and don't let them cook.
I haven't tried it but I would suspect it would be too brittle and chip very easily. It would also be a harsh sound because it's probably a bit too hard.
Hey Jerry I don't remember if you said, is that top fan braced or X braced. Only ones I've had in my shop were fan braced and they came in for crack repair. Seems like a big problem with fan braced Ovations. But the top on that looks real flat. I thought that black binding line was gap when you were gluing it up. And I'm thinking, tape it closed Jerry, tape it closed. I hate seeing factory guitars come with shims under the saddle but that's their quick and dirty way of pumping out guitars. Also I could tell from the shavings coming off the nut it was one of those crappie soft plastic ones. I hate those things. Much better off with the nut you made. Good work as always my friend.
ovation is a nice guitar I just never could get use to the curved back always sliding guess standing with a strap would be better. If I'm not mistaken it was a country singer who introduced the ovation guitar and made it famous not sure who it was.
I'm suddenly having some buzzing on my low e string only. I think its the nut, where can I buy the right one? Or can I use a generic acoustic guitar nut off amazon.
That guitar looks like an ovation celebrity counterfeit, there is no neck binding, and the lower end of the fretboard is not correct, on the other hand, CA glue is a wonder
No way you could have known it was not mildew cause of the area it was located. There was a 99% chance it was mildew and a 1% chance it was something else. Not in any way should that tarnish your honesty or experience. I still trust you 101% for anything on a guitar of mine just which I lived closer to you.
Why am I seeing lots of ovation guitars being repaired on RU-vid? Are they all kind-of failing at the same time or is it something else like global warming causing them to crumble? Never saw the appeal or benefits of Ovations except that people started leaving armadillos alone.
