(1815) What a Difference a Kitemark Makes! 

Oh sick, thanks for the explanation

I was just about to make that comment as well! Glad someone else saw it, I was really confused for a minute!

Man I really hope Bill noticed this before putting it back together

They appear to be identical so I’m guessing no big deal.

it doesn't matter, they are the same anyway

As he doesn't "need no stinkin' keys" he should be fine ;)

As others have said these locks are fitted with the bible down here in the UK. It would be interesting to see if orientation made any difference Bill.

@@spyderdryverlee4581 yes, it does ;) in USA, when they get the sheer line the key pin is free falling away from the sheer and can be felt. this allows few things like knowing if you overset or set the pin. here in Europe its not just like that ;) you can feel if the pin is springy, but there is now way to know if you set or overset or it's just binding ;) although 90% of the locks in Europe can be raked in no time ;)

TS007 3 Star (BS Kite Mark) that lock ain't www.dhfonline.org.uk/pg/ts-007/335.htm Have TS007 3 Star locks on all my doors!

Just checked and yes that's a 1* lock - www.yaledoorandwindowsolutions.co.uk/en/productsdb/cylinders/as-series-1-star-euro-profile-cylinder/

@@timballam3675 I wonder if the lock pre-dates the 1,2,3 Star classification. I have 3 Star locks everywhere too.

They're amazing quality tools. I have replaced all my tool truck pliers with Knipex. The pliers wrench and raptor are brilliant for working on suspension issues.

German quality tools 👍

Be careful who you buy them from - loads of Knipex Chinese knock-off out there.

And Bill was unhappy it took that long!

And he had the key in front of him for reference

Now I know how to get the lock game upgraded in America. Its a small price to pay XD

@@Dortchskii The issue is that in the UK the biggest group of buyers are individual homeowners, who have a vested interest in higher security. In the US the big buyers are landlords and contractors, and neither of them give a damn about security: price is all that matters.

Plumbing torch is how they get in now melt a big hole round the lock

@@stevenmullen8402 Only works for the plastic doors that already starred in the old incidents. Those snappable locks seems to be more trouble than they are worth in solid doors and locks that fully shroud the cylinder. In ASSA's home markets, the accessories for oval cylinders greatly protect against this (took a locksmith lots of time to drill away those protections when opening my door after I lost my key to a twin/garant).

It's getting increasingly the case where having a kitemarked lock can make more than the cost of the lock difference to your annual insurance premium!

Most of mine are slightly ment as well

100% all my picks have been bent at least once but I greatly prefer dainty picks.

Thats crazy with how concerned Australians tend to be about home security i would expect that drill protection would be standard.

@@metamorphicorder yes. I've read that when they gave up their firearms home invasions and robbery went up rapidly and the elderly are targeted disproportionately. Fence builders and window bar installers got very popular too.

@@BCM1959 That story seems to be propaganda or an urban myth. "There was little change in “unlawful entry with intent,” one of the few types of crime where one might make a case for a possible deterrent effect of having a gun in the home." - cdn1.sph.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/1264/2012/10/bulletins_australia_spring_2011.pdf See also: www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/13/facebook-posts/no-viral-post-isnt-correct-australias-gun-laws-vio/

@@BCM1959 yeah that's straight up BS mate.

@@tomo9224 are you all better off without guns? In this country they talk about banning guns but there is no plan to get the guns away from criminals, just from legal gun owners. Is it like that in Australia? Like Chicago?, shootings all the time by gang bangers while law abiding people don't have guns. Would be nice if the bad guys didn't have guns but no way to make that happen. I have talked to some Australians that said the wish they would have kept their guns and heard one give a speech saying it was a mistake to give them up and trust the government.

That was actually the 5th, since he took the pins out in order 1,2,3,4,6,5.

@@RobbieHatley that was driver pins, key pins were in order.

The remark was because the video was a cut, so we can’t know if he gutted the lock before and then removed a few pins before picking it or similar.

@@OscarC4C4 Which is a bit silly because we all know that Bill can pick that lock. The only question is how much time it takes.

Ice cream cone for me. I think it actually is supposed to be made of the letters "B" (British), "S" (Standard) and "V" (Verification), but it is officially called the "Kitemark".

@@MartinIbert ah ok, the 'b' s' 'v' thing makes sense

@@MartinIbert I think it's BSI: British Standards Institute.

@@qwertyTRiG That's not what BSI Group say. They say it was originally BSV.

@@MartinIbert I'd be interested to read that, if you have a link.

Indeed. See: www.bsigroup.com/en-GB/kitemark/product-testing/

Yes.. one of the Logos i studied at Art College... They wanted a design that didn't look like BS. I think they pulled it off. :)

@@JediBuddhist The trade mark was first used in 1903, so very much a design of the time. Glad they've not tried to update it since!

Yes, and in line with kitemarked locks being of a higher standard the corresponding burglars should be kitemarked since they seem to find a way through/around them anyway.

Aha. I thought that mark looked familiar, and not in a lock context.

It stops pins from fouling the key when it is rotated past 180°.

@@RWBHere its not in a non kite marked version of the same lock. and why a hole that lines up with a pin if its meant to stop that pin fouling

And I interpret it as a heart with a horizontal line and letter S.

Yes, this is a frequent comment, usually from viewers in Europe where the locks are mounted that way. However, the entire world is not Europe and many countries mount locks with the pins oriented at the top to keep water from pooling in the pin stacks and corroding them. The lock really does not know which way it is mounted, as the springs exert identical pressure on the pins no matter which way it is oriented. Insofar as ease of picking - it is equally easy (or difficult) in either direction. The only variable is what you are used to and which orientation you practice in.

Well Britain is close to truly throwing out the organization behind the CE mark. On your own heads be it.

@@johndododoe1411 : It can't come soon enough for us Brits! ;-)

The CE mark should have been contributed to by the UK as part of the membership - has anyone compared the BS existing standard to the present CE one. i suspect CE might relate to materials used rather than method of assembly - ie there is no present clear harmonised lock agreement for specified situations and local countries can determine their own requirements as needed . Problem with CE in general is that it is self-certified by vendors of products so the mark has been more important than the undelying quality

@@highpath4776 A few CE marks require certification. For locks, I just read a guide to BS certified locks that claimed that CE certification under a different standard were required for locks in fire proof doors. That other CE mark would be exclusively for fire resistant building materials such as the door itself.

@@plug4uk696 Speak for yourself. We're going up shit creek, no paddle because Boris forgot one, and a hole in the canoe because NOTHING is prepared in advance, We can't even find out where we need international driving licences for.

I'm no expert, but someone posted above that with the bible up, a picked keypin would be loose, which can be felt. Bible down, the keypin rests on the driver pin as normal so the picker has less information.

Yeah that's it. You sometimes see stars added to the kite mark with the top ones being 3 stars. That normally means things like pin in pin, magnetic elements, side pins (sometimes), anti drill pinning everywhere, anti snap, security pins, and so on.

IIRC, the only difference is in the level of snap protection. The 1-star (or just plain kitemark, if it was certified early enough) has the sort of passive anit-snap features we saw here (reinforced spine, sacrificial cuts; and the anti-drill features on both sides of the cut). IIRC, the 3-star ones have more of the same and also (at least in every one I've seen) some sort of active anti-snap protection as well (think permanently coupling the actuator to the safe-side chamber if a spine snap is detected). From an insurance / security standpoint, 3-star locks can be used on their own, provided they are properly fitted into any (generic) door hardware. 1-star locks can be used, but should only be used when properly fitted into hardened 2-star door furniture - typically handles with integrated cylinder guard (or standalone cylinder guards), with toughened steel cylinder guards / backplates, and with the outside plate fixed to the door by bolts passing through the core of the door and fastened on the safe-side.

No, a 4-pinner. No, more difficult because it'll be harder to tension. Very likely.

@@bosnianbill there are some locks which kill the outer core when snapped.

As these cylinders are usually used in upvc door applications they have a protruding ball bearing so they can only be inserted into the lock case when the handle set is removed, If you snapped the cylinder the broken piece would be difficult to remove as its profile is different to that of the handle best way to describe it would be trying to put a square peg in a round hole, and unless it was removed you would not be able to get at the last 4 pins to even attempt to pick them.

Ooh, that's cross-Atlantic fightin' talk! ;-)

How much

@@jamesnichols7583 I'm open to offers. It comes with two keys

The lock shown in this video is called Euro cylinder and Euro cylinder locks are designed to be installed in orientation where bible is under the keyway. Are you saying that some Euro cylinder locks have the branding upside down?

Many ways: Crowbar, sledgehammer, jackhammer, stick of dynamite....

The key will still work .

Where do you buy this lock?

I came here to say that too.

I assume you could still pick it, because part of the goal for the snapping feature is that you can still open it with the key after an attack. Locks like the Ultion (and probably others) will seal themselves shut if snapped a second time.