Alain de Cadenet was certainly right... True Sportsmanship may be an outmoded concept, but these gentlemen certainly knew how to live it! It has been missed for too long a time.
Juan lived a long life, not many champions of that day did. He started racing F1 fairly late in life, compared to "normal". He will always be considered among the greatest drivers to ever race. Simply surviving that era of racing was an accomplishment in itself.
No roll cages, no flame retardant suits, helmets more like salad bowls than actual protection. Amazing any of these drivers made it to retirement alive! Had to have serious guts to race F1 back in the day!
@@davidobrien7610 Forget all that fancy stuff: NO SEATBELTS, on the belief that it was safer to be "thrown clear" of a crash than risk entrapment in a wrecked car and burning alive.
Breaking his own '56 lap record nine times in ten laps makes him, to my mind, not only the greatest of all time, but because of the conditions unique to his time, unmatchable.
Sadly true sportsmanship maybe an outmoded concept now but there's little denying the honor and gallantry of a less cynical era. What a brilliant way to describe the kind of Racers that Fangio and Stirling Moss were during their time. My all-time racing Heroes for a reason.
The famous race where Fangio was much closer to the limit as he actually want, "The best way to win a race was by going as slowly as possible". Now it's normal to go to the limit, but those days the risk was much higher.
Good to see the highly respected Alain de Cadenet presenting this! He was an excellent World Sports Car driver who won a couple of those races, and a great enthusiast and authority on pre-war Alfa Romeos!
I was there watching the race in 1957. It was a truly historic performance by Fangio. His driving was always very smooth and in total control of the car. I graduated from Frankfurt American High School in 1957 and left for the US slightly after this.
At 2:54 you can see...at the bottom of the screen and top of the screen....where the Sudschleife left the first turn...and then rejoined at the backside of the first turn. A very cool loop that made the whole Nurburgring a great track.
I saw Sir Stirling Moss in a filmed interview some years ago say that the Maserati 250F was his favorite F1 car to drive, because it was so easy to drive in all respects.
Un video espectacular para una carrera inolvidable. Tenía 10 años cuando esta carrera tuvo lugar y mis padres eran fanáticos de Fangio a quien vi correr en el autódromo de Buenos Aires. Un genio de este deporte y un caballero en la pista
Said by Jackie Steward. One of the greatest and craziest drivers off all time. He was also obsessed with driver safety. The sport would not have been the same wothout him. Despite that , himself was also scared of this place
With the speeds of that era that was still possible. Even a modern hot hatch is much faster than a 1957 F1 car. In slower classes like the VLN series they still do mixed races on the Ring. But for modern F1 the speed difference with other classes is just too big and too dangerous.
Yes, the greatest drive of all time due to to his repeated destruction of the lap records. I would place Nuvolari's 1935 drive second as he was in a wholly uncompetitive car and Stewart's 4 minute win in the rain 1968 with broken wrist third.
Driving a Porsche 356 Cabriolet road car on to the circuit @3.50 Whilst race driving for Maserati. Competing sports car manufactures of the day, Don't think that would happen today.
Both cool and utterly frightening to see the relaxed attitude of the drivers and the more or less total lack of safety equipment. Ok, the speed was not like today, but man, being so unprotected if something happens...!? Like people on motorcycles today when driving at blistering speeds in only t-shirts and jeans. Thanks for sharing the video - great to see such a classic race at a legendary track. 👍🏼😊
Tom Smith Hell of a guy, we drank with him at the Baja cantina at the historics one year. Have a photo of him wearing his lady’s bra on his head! Priceless
No surprise then that Ricardo Rodriguez used one of these 90-c/i Porsche RSKs to blow off all the big iron at Riverside in '57. Fangio did the seemingly impossible again and again and again as far and away the oldest driver on the circuit.
Well, in a way, it is still pretty much the Lancia-Ferrari, only heavily modified; still had the same V8 engine, Lancia gearbox, among other things. They removed the side pannier tanks and enlarged the rear fuel tank in its place, making the car handle much like a "typical" mid-50s F1 car (the original Lancia D50, thanks to all the novelties it had, had excellent traction, but very hard to control once the rear tires lose grip)
I remember a cartoon in Road & Track back in the '60's that had a mechanic pointing to a sign in the garage, the sign said: "Service Rates: If you call it a... Poorch = $15.00 hr Porsha = $45.00 hr " Alain is choosing the cheap version here.
Shorter laps give each fan more opportunity to see the race as they come by more times. Also, less track to maintain, especially now since there is so much more to a track than just a road (for better or worse). Unfortunately, we've lost so much of the character of the old circuits as they've been cut down.
And the old Nurburging track by the late 70s is very difficult to manage on race day, it is so large, the number of marshalls is pretty inadequate (look at Niki Lauda's accident)
In my opinion the only other post war driver in history to use the same brain-spiritual power to win a Grand Prix against all odds was Ayrton Senna. No wonder the Brazilian revered the Argentinian legend.
I think that it's impossible to say which were the greatest formula 1 drivers of all time. There have been so many changes to things, that drivers in one period had to perform in different ways from another period. What you can say, is how sportsmanship has changed, how the danger of driving has gradually been lessened with advances in technology. My feeling is that racing in the fifties, for example, relied more on the driver, compared to now, in the 2020's, where small changes to cars can result in a few hundredths of a second one way or the other. Now, all you see of the driver is the top of a crash helmet, and results are often decided by officials in an office, studying computer screens, and measuring how many inches a Tyre crossed a painted line. Oh, dear, how long until the drivers sit in simulators, operating remotely controlled radio cars ? Maybe Nuvolari, Fangio, Moss, and drivers from those times gave us a better show?
The delight on Mike Hawthorn's face was something to behold , what sportsmen these drivers were , then Mike patted ' the old boy ' on the head , in a show of genuine affection ! Alain de Cadenet was right to compare the soulless robots ( my words , not his ) that pass for drivers today .
I've never been fond of Hawthorn after the '55 Le Mans disaster: he never acknowledged any culpability for the worst accident ever in motorsport history, even though it was his sudden hard braking due to the Jaguar team manager's last-minute direction for Mike to make a pit stop that set events in motion. Macklin in the Healey 100M (the car in front of the 300SLR that Levaugh was about to pass) always felt hurt by Hawthorn's cold denial of any responsibility for Levaugh's crashing into the stands, killing some 88 spectators plus himself.
@@PaulZink Actually Hawthorn did say he was responsible, immediately after the race and the next day. He changed his mind shortly thereafter. I disagree with your interpretation of Hawthorns actions in the race, however. The course offered no deceleration lane. Hawthorne had no alternative to braking in order to make a pit. Macklin is the one who lost control and caused the crash.
@@KB4QAA Well, the apportioning of guilt has been argued back and forth for decades-and the race organizers never found Macklin at fault for causing the crash. I do think that the Jaguar team is partly responsible, for signaling an unscheduled pit stop at such abrupt notice. And Hawthorn, knowing perfectly well his tire condition and fuel level, was free to ignore it and come in (braking less dramatically) after one more lap in the interests of safety.
The Commentator refers to the "ligjhtweight" Maserati - is this correct? I thought that the ""lightweight"" 250F only came out in 1958 - the "picollo"" the shortened version?
I watched this race, Fangio, of course, was stunning. Sadly, I was just up from the corner where tragedy struck and watched Peter Collins go off the track and flip through the air to his demise.
@@ralphcraig5816 Wish he'd done so (quit from respect) in 1955 at Le Mans. But he kept going in the race, to win (an easy feat after the Mercedes team had withdrawn after the accident). One wonders what Hawthorn was thinking in all those subsequent laps when he had to drive by the viewing stand, with those 88 spectator bodies still smoldering, many of them headless…
@@PaulZink To be fair the main reason the race, and probably Hawthorne, continued in 1955 was to allow easier access for ambulances and other emergency vehicles. Had the race been cancelled the roads would have been clogged up with fans.
@@benitolonard4441 I've heard that theory, yes. However, the fact that Jaguar declined Mercedes-Benz' invitation to join them in withdrawing their cars out of respect argues that at least Jaguar's motive for continuing (and eventually winning largely by reason of the German's withdrawal) was not really out of concern for traffic issues: M-B only withdrew late at night, long after fire and ambulance vehicles had come and gone.
In Robert Daley's 1961 book Cars at Speed he claims that Collins could have won this race but he refused to overtake his teammate and friend Hawthorne. If so Enzo must have been livid. Daley's also claims the same occurred in the following year's German race where Collins again refused to overtake Hawthorne and was killed. Had he overtaken Hawthorne and ran his own race would he have been killed?
You need to re-read the chapter "The 'Ring" because you are talking about the '58 race, not that of '57. Bob points out that Collins wanted to be a famous race driver, not a champion; that was too heavy a load to bear. In '58 he did tell Hawthorne to win, but when Tony Brooks slipped past both, Collins stormed after him. Some say his overheated brakes failed. Phil Hill thought he just never used them going into that final curve.
+jockellis Cars at Speed by Robert Daley pg 225 last paragraph. ' Collins appeared to love the idea of being a famous racing driver, in the two seasons left to him. But he didn't want the responsibilities of being a great racing driver. In the 1957 German Grand Prix, after Fangio now racing for Maserati, had stopped for fuel, Collins drew alongside his teammate, Hawthorn, and signalled that Hawthorn was to win the race. He, Collins, would be satisfied with second. He then dropped back to follow Hawthorn around'.
How would Daley know any of this? Did Collins or Hawthorn say so in their one remaining year of life? Does he quote a source where either of them said it? It sounds like he made this up.
@@jdb47games Why wouldn't Daley know any of this? Daley's Cars at Speed was first published in 1961. Why are you doubting it? Seems plausible to me given that Collins sacrificed his own chances of winning the 1956 title at Monza
Only 12 years after the Holocaust. Must have seemed like yesterday. I remember 9/11 like it was yesterday. I was working at DFW airport that fateful day. Not an apples to apples comparison by an stretch of imagination.
There were 24 starters and 15 finishers. Of the three Porsches, one ( Umberto Maglioli, number 20) did not finish due to engine problems on lap 13. Of the other two Edgar Barth (21) finished 12th and Carel De Beaufort (27)was 14th. Of the 24 drivers 7 were eventually killed in crashes, 3 are still alive today ( February 2018) Stirling Moss ( 88 years old), Tony Brooks (85) and Hans Herrmann (89).The 7 who died in crashes were Mike Hawthorn ( road crash), Peter Collins, Luigi Musso, Jean Behra, Harry Schell, Carel De Beaufort and Stuart Lewis-Evans.
@@andyelliott8027 Thanks. First time this has been on my feed since then. My SCCA sponsor who raced a 904 appeared to be in shock after de Beaufort was killed because he never seemed to go really fast.
Cameras like this back then were very expensive (and still are today) so it's not like they could've put a camera at every corner around a 13 mile track
5 títulos mundiales en 4 marcas diferentes, casi un 50 % de efectividad en F1 (ganó una de cada dos carreras) subido a una salchicha con ruedas que iba a 300 km/h y donde lo único que sobresalía era la cabeza del piloto sólo agarrado del volante con un casquito de media cabeza y una antiparra en los ojos. Les pregunto a todos los que leen los comentarios: Donde está la cabra? Sin dudas J. M. Fangio es el mejor de todos los tiempos.
Pasan los años y el ARGENTINO JUAN FANGIO a quien vi muchas veces porque tenia la concesionaria cerca de casa sigue dando clases de manejo . sin dudas el MEJOR .
Fangio was the greatest! I bow low to his mastery of motorsport! BTW, It's Fahn-Joe, not Fan-gee-oh! Never, ever, depend on the British to pronounce foreign names correctly, because they basically don't care how foreigners pronounce things. (I'm American) - Now I'll admit I don't know how Fangio pronounced his name, but it looks like an Italian name, and in Italian the 'i' is (generally) there to modify the sound of the 'g'', not to be pronounced. It's like the difference between 'caca' and 'chacha' (or 'sit' and '$hit', if you prefer). If you look at the Wikipedia article on Fangio, they say it's pronounced [ˈfandʒo'] (but then, maybe they don't really know, either) For all I know, Fangio may have pronounced his name 'Fahn-gee-oh', but since he spoke Italian, I kind of doubt it.
Alain De Cadenet was always irritatingly affected in this series. I much preferred Duyvid 'Obbs, who seemed like he had a beer just out of the camera's view. Beautiful overhead shots of lines of cars doing four wheel drifts.
Considering the risks of dying were way higher (3 drivers per year) I wouldn't call the races boring. Also there was literally no aid from the car or whatsoever like today... So boring is not the right word mate.
Well you're not going to get away Hawthorne by letting someone else Pretender me chasing you that's right no Floyd Collins for you what about playing man a jet
