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1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 vs 1965 Pontiac GTO | STOCK DRAG RACE 

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1965 Pontiac GTO vs 1970 Chevy Camaro Z28. Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race. Factory Stock Drag Race.
The GTO has a 389 Tri-Power V8, and the Camaro has a 350 LT-1 V8. The LT-1 was rated 360 horsepower, and the 389 was also rated 360 horsepower. The GTO has a 4-speed manual, the Z28 a TH400 3-speed automatic. Rear gearing in both is 4.10. The Camaro weighs 3716 pounds with the driver, while the GTO is 3708 pounds.
Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race (PSMCDR). FAST Factory Appearing Stock Tire factory stock. Super Car Drag Race.
Remember, both cars participate in the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race series, so please check out their website: www.psmcdr.com
Also make sure you find them out on Facebook.
The rules for PSMCDR are listed below:
For 1955 to 1979 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Any convertible running faster than 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - compression ratio 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only.You are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
Disclaimer: The Cars And Zebras RU-vid channel is a news channel bringing results/news of drag racing with added history of automobiles. All footage/pictures used were either captured by the Cars And Zebras channel, or used for critique purposes under Fair Use.

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@CarsAndZebras
@CarsAndZebras 2 года назад
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@JamesRS-tk6ep
@JamesRS-tk6ep 2 года назад
That was the closest set of races that I've seen on here. Both cars looked great and were a pleasure to see on the strip.
@dioad1739
@dioad1739 2 года назад
I don’t know why this channel doesn’t have a million subs I could watch it all day two beautiful cars thanks to you and the drivers for bringing these classics out.
@ricktaylor3748
@ricktaylor3748 2 года назад
This was some of the closest racing I've seen on C & Z. I thought the Camaro would win by several car lengths, it was insanely close. The Goat was picking em up and putting em down !
@danmyers9372
@danmyers9372 2 года назад
Great matchup! Have to say I was surprised by the Goat. I picked the LT-1 Z28 all day long. Those things were real runners and surprised a lot of guys with big blocks back in the day. Never saw a 389 GTO run this quick. Hats off to the car owner/driver.
@christopherlyons8220
@christopherlyons8220 2 года назад
There are some royal bobcats running 12's on this channel
@danmyers9372
@danmyers9372 2 года назад
@@christopherlyons8220 - Yeah, a Royal Bobcat is a whole different animal (cat😉) than this car.
@gregallen9065
@gregallen9065 Год назад
@@danmyers9372 not really.......they had different packages. A recurved distributor, tweaked carbs, advanced timing aka a super tune and a few other things. They could also stuff a 421 in there for you if you wanted.....lol.
@chevyblue10
@chevyblue10 2 года назад
I could actually hear the GTO's shifter clicks at every gear change. That was some mighty smooth shifting there driver! Sounds like he's had some practice or something. Seems like the goat made it easy too.
@rconley40
@rconley40 2 года назад
When cars are this evenly match its all on the driver ...SUCH a pleasure to watch!!
@parkerwinkelman3007
@parkerwinkelman3007 2 года назад
This is by far the most even matchup I have seen on this channel and I loved every bit of it. I was rooting for the Camaro, but in the end, both of those cars are equally fantastic.
@richellen6855
@richellen6855 2 года назад
What a GREAT match up!! Shows why skill IS a part of drag racing.......
@charlesdalton985
@charlesdalton985 2 года назад
Great cars and great racing. Line them up 10 times, and they’d keep swapping wins. Thank you, as always.
@dukedavis8950
@dukedavis8950 2 года назад
GTO vs Z28 what a race so evenly matched both running mid 13s not only are they great looking but fast as well. Great race. I could watch this kind of racing all day.
@clevlandblock
@clevlandblock 2 года назад
My first ride ever in a musclecar was in a 65 GTO back in 1966. It had a powerglide. The car was violent, powerful, and the axle tramp was severe..
@kimmorrison9169
@kimmorrison9169 2 года назад
two even steven cars with same weights, power and rear gears. The Goat has the Royal Bobcat decals on the roof line. Whoever gets the holeshot wins! Nice close races and no redlights.
@buzzwaldron6195
@buzzwaldron6195 Месяц назад
That GTO driver must have weighed about 80 - 100 lbs... Camaro driver about 200...
@rogerodle8750
@rogerodle8750 2 года назад
Both great cars and both drivers were really good. I think the superior aerodynamics of the Camaro was just enough...
@ripvanrevs
@ripvanrevs 2 года назад
Camaro ran 13.58, 13.59, 13.60!!
@briandungan515
@briandungan515 2 года назад
This is where the driver plays a bigger role than the car with all things being equal. I for one was a little disappointed when they dropped the DZ for 1970 in favor of the LT1. The LT is a awesome engine it's just we associated the Z28 with the 302 and a 4 speed. Also gone was the optional dealer installed cross ram induction.
@Dayandcounting
@Dayandcounting 2 года назад
The LT1 gave the Z\28 guts by adding stroke. There were 3 302's MO, MP and DZ. The MO 67,68 2 bolt main small journal crank. The MP most 68's, 4 bolt main, larger main journals still has oil filler intake. The DZ 69 adds the sexy valve covers.
@ryanthompsonthompson820
@ryanthompsonthompson820 2 года назад
I would love to see some 1987 Grand Nationals on here.
@danh5631
@danh5631 2 года назад
One of the best races I’ve seen on here yet, thanks for bringing it to us, and thank you to the car owners
@JBASH2011
@JBASH2011 2 года назад
That was awesome. Closest races I think I've seen on the channel. Tale of the tape said it was gonna be close- really down to how well the GTO driver could shift. Loved it. i was pulling for the GTO. Thanks for posting!
@acts2211
@acts2211 2 года назад
Great race. Glad both cars have the same axle ratio really Level the playing field
@bw3506
@bw3506 2 года назад
That's a good running 350 to outrun that Pontiac especially since the Camaro was heavier. Neat cars and good matchup. Thanks for the vid. 👍
@irishpat64
@irishpat64 2 года назад
Nice..I had no idea The Camero in that yr was so heavy
@sporty196071
@sporty196071 2 года назад
Very good, very close!
@travishall67
@travishall67 2 года назад
Wow that was a well-matched set of cars to race. The only thing this video was missing was a couple of crude comments/jokes. :-)
@johnwagner4559
@johnwagner4559 2 года назад
Can hear the camaro's shift kit. Lol 👍
@chevyblue10
@chevyblue10 2 года назад
That's weird. I'm pretty sure I was hearing that 4 speed clicking.
@SweatyFatGuy
@SweatyFatGuy 2 года назад
Its fun daily driving a 1965 GTO all summer, but mine has a fuel injected 455 under the hood. Its interesting that a basic small hydraulic (200/207@.050) cam garden variety Pontiac engine with a tri power intake can run with a 250@.050 solid lifter, aluminum manifold, Holley carbed chevy engine. Pull the 067 cam out of the Pontiac, put a 744 or 041 in it and try again. Neither of those are even close to 250@.050, the 041 is only 231/240@.050 but still factory cams from before 1970. Ah the woulda coulda shoulda things.. Fun to think about.
@chevyblue10
@chevyblue10 2 года назад
A "garden variety" 11:23 to 1, tri-power, 1965 389 Pontiac engine. Yeah, those things were slow.
@SweatyFatGuy
@SweatyFatGuy 2 года назад
@@chevyblue10 Same engine as the Bonneville, all the 4 barrels had compression in the 10:1 range, it wasn't over 11:1. The 389 even had the small valves and 24 degree heads, not the 2.11 intakes, 1.77 exhaust and 14 degree inclination of the 67 and up heads. All of the D port engines are garden variety, not the round ports that are on high performance models. Those heads all flow about the same in the same inclination group, 66 and earlier, 67 and later. The 67 to 79 D port heads all flowed within 10cfm of each other, with the 350 heads from the 74 GTO flowing the most... through small valves even. Not much difference between the 421 head and the 389 head unless it was a 2 barrel 389, then it got the small valves. So the Bonneville/Catalina engine was the same as the GTO engine, provided it had a 4 barrel or Tri Power, because they all ran the same 067 cam and heads to match the induction, the big difference was chamber size which was how Pontiac adjusted compression ratios. Now if you want to consider Super Duty, HO, and RA II/IV engines, they are not the garden variety engines, they are kinda hard to come by. Sorta like how the LT-1 wasn't just plopped in everything else chevy made. The 389 was the equivalent of the 300hp 327 and 350. Far more of them built and installed than LT-1s. The Pontiacs were very mild engines, not oversized valves, 11:1, 250@.050 solid cams, and Holley carbs on aluminum intakes. Do all of that to a Pontiac and its gonna suck the headlights out of that poor little orange lump. The Qjet intakes flowed better than the Tri Power, and we only put the Tri power on for the looks, if we want to go fast we do it with a single 4. The limiting factor was the Carter AFB used before the QJet, they were tiny and didn't flow much, so the Tri Power was a decent upgrade from the AFB. Why do ya think the Max Wedge Mopars had two AFBs on them? Same reason the 421 SD had two. They were kinda small. The only small block that has ever impressed me is the 351C 4V. Those things are monsters. Which is why I own four of them and a bunch of parts. Of course the 389 doesn't need as much help as the chevy, since they did go 406mph in 1960. No chevys have gone over 400 yet, have they? Two Hemis did recently, Danny Thompson did it with Hemis, his dad, Mickey, did it with Pontiac. Where are all the oh so awesome chevys setting LSR records? Also the 389s were stock heads, blocks, and cranks. Garden variety stuff with some other stuff thrown in.
@johndeeregreen4592
@johndeeregreen4592 2 года назад
Love these even matches, where it comes down to the driver. I knew it would be close... just not this close.
@chrisbenthall9718
@chrisbenthall9718 2 года назад
That was a great set of races. Running neck and neck like that was super.
@68dart
@68dart 2 года назад
Awesome , Close Race , Thanks C&Z
@suregrip8853
@suregrip8853 2 года назад
That was some good racing, that camaro was really consistent both speed and time. Thank for the great video.
@todsimpkins8908
@todsimpkins8908 2 года назад
Because auto tranny
@johnhenry8424
@johnhenry8424 2 года назад
Now that's a race!
@bobo44donemilking51
@bobo44donemilking51 2 года назад
Boy that guy on the bike is always there
@chevyblue10
@chevyblue10 2 года назад
You notice that too lol
@gaetanodetorrice5555
@gaetanodetorrice5555 2 года назад
I love when you do the Star wars with the cars 😂😂😂
@Wilson-cp4gx
@Wilson-cp4gx 2 года назад
Another great race! Nice matchup…so close. Both great cars.
@twagn
@twagn 2 года назад
evenly matched....happy to see the Camaro come out on top
@KELLYNOC
@KELLYNOC 2 года назад
I purchased a brand new 1970 Z28 when I returned from Vietnam great car raced it a few times but I have to admit it wasn't a drag car and like others have said here a lot of this depends on the driver. Semper Fi
@theeducatedredneck4144
@theeducatedredneck4144 2 года назад
My cousin Clint bought a '70 Firebird Formula 400, when he got home from Vietnam. He's 20 years older than me, but, riding in that car and other cool cars he had over the years turned me into a car guy.
@gaetanodetorrice5555
@gaetanodetorrice5555 2 года назад
My favorite Camaros are 70 to 73 Z28 or RS I do love the split bumpers so I guess that would be an RS 👍👍👍
@brianmaynard7320
@brianmaynard7320 2 года назад
Great racing. Great drivers!! Thank you for bringing them to us?!
@lilredexptsc
@lilredexptsc 2 года назад
A really great matchup!
@futon02
@futon02 2 года назад
Didn't know the 70 Camaro was so heavy
@SweatyFatGuy
@SweatyFatGuy 2 года назад
I have a bunch of 2nd gen Firebirds, and they aren't exactly a small car. They have some heft to them, and it got worse as the years went by.
@SweatyFatGuy
@SweatyFatGuy 2 года назад
@Your Pappy thats about what my 79 Formula weighed, the 455 didn't mind though, it went 11.40s with a really mild build and 3.42 gears.
@63MacGuy
@63MacGuy 2 года назад
Thanks!
@daltonmann4916
@daltonmann4916 2 года назад
WOW! great race!
@gaetanodetorrice5555
@gaetanodetorrice5555 2 года назад
I love how you do your videos they're very funny informative and entertaining 👍👍👍👍👍 I know you do all the car racing I like the Chryslers when they drag race the best I never say Mopar I always say Chrysler's so I think of the corporation all the time I'm an old-timer 😂😂😂 I know you know a lot about the cars but do you know what Mopar originally stands for and still does but people don't use it like that it stands for motor parts if you didn't know continue the good work with the videos they're great 👍👍👍
@chevyblue10
@chevyblue10 2 года назад
I always wondered how Chrysler Corp. got the nickname Mopar. I tell folks it stands for More Power lol. I'm an old timer too, by the way.
@gaetanodetorrice5555
@gaetanodetorrice5555 2 года назад
@@chevyblue10 👍👍👍😊
@superinnovated
@superinnovated 2 года назад
I had the same 410 gear th400 in 70 Z28 the engine was 383 with 555 cam an jessel belt drive the car was fun .hugger too
@louiskats5116
@louiskats5116 2 года назад
Goodday C & Z, Hope this message finds you well considering the crazy times we are living through. It is Sunday morning, at my favorite cafe at South Melbourne Market having a ice latte & a Portuguese Tart enjoying the serenity before going down to Port Melbourne Beach for a swim, it is Labour Day Weekend here in Melbourne so no work on Monday. What a awesome 3 up race, plus my favorite body shaped Camaro. You forgot to mention that it was a RS optioned as well. Same horsepower, better torque in the Poncho, but disadvantage by the 4 speed so all up even Stevens. Love it when it is so close all 3 races. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
@chevyblue10
@chevyblue10 2 года назад
What's up in the Southern Hemisphere? Beautiful 70° Spring "fishin" weather here in the big city (jk) of Dublin, Georgia, USA. Just long-distance waving at ya. Have a great holiday!
@louiskats5116
@louiskats5116 2 года назад
@@chevyblue10 Happy Spring Fishing, beautiful weather all 3 days here, got to the beach on Sunday. (jk) ? Thank you for your greetings Small Change ☺👍
@bruceallen6016
@bruceallen6016 2 года назад
Good race! Thumb up for posting it.
@jl2481
@jl2481 2 года назад
Good race..
@scottsavinski9311
@scottsavinski9311 2 года назад
Wow pretty much a get off the line first & hit the shifts & you'll get to the finish line first..
@gregallen9065
@gregallen9065 Год назад
My dad had a 1964 GTO 389 tri power 4 speed which I was apparently conceived in the back seat of.....lol. So Pontiacs were in my blood for many years......until I discovered 1986/87 Turbo Buicks. Nothing like hearing a tri power set up roaring down the road......although setting them up could be a bit tricky.
@josephnewcomb5670
@josephnewcomb5670 2 года назад
Both cars ran very strong in stock form
@leedanner5071
@leedanner5071 2 года назад
Love it, thanks C&Z
@haroldstrickland8416
@haroldstrickland8416 6 месяцев назад
That was a drag race! 2 great looking & performing cars.
@showsomesignsoflife
@showsomesignsoflife 2 года назад
The Z28 is one of the sexiests cars i've seen
@Yatsunari
@Yatsunari Год назад
It's great to see muscle cars doing what they were meant for, Straight line dominantion
@wdfaws8124
@wdfaws8124 2 года назад
Great racing by both drivers. The Camaro by a you know what hair!
@maximumcoverage5591
@maximumcoverage5591 Год назад
The kids nowadays don't know what those are.
@andyworgess8998
@andyworgess8998 2 года назад
Thanks for great video always a pleasure
@chrishill1286
@chrishill1286 2 года назад
Believe it or not I was hired by a CEO family friend to drive 70 Z28 from Colorado Springs my home, to Seattle Washington. I picked up the car 1 week before I graduated High School , dark green, 4 speed. Needless to say when I arrived in Seattle the Goodyear Eagles were gone, front and rear. Our CEO friend had to buy his executive a new set of tires. Posi 4.11 rear end limited my top end to 125 as I recall. I had a great highway race across eastern Washington with a 911. Pretty sure the driver was too scared to pass, I kept waiting for the Porche to zip by but he never did.
@Chuck88vert
@Chuck88vert 2 года назад
Great race cars are very close .
@gordocarbo
@gordocarbo 6 месяцев назад
Nice runs, didnt think the goat was that heavy The comments of the LT1 75-8000 rpm forget it!! lol Not gonna happen
@matthewimi
@matthewimi 2 года назад
The best engine they didn't have in this GTO. The best engine would have been the 455 high output tri power. If it was that engine we wouldn't be having the "these races are close conversations."
@Sherman62
@Sherman62 2 месяца назад
Never heard of that as a factory engine. Are we just making stuff up now?
@tommycook9620
@tommycook9620 2 года назад
HELL Yea Camaro all the way
@rickwilson466
@rickwilson466 2 года назад
Great match up!
@josephmartinez8803
@josephmartinez8803 2 года назад
1970 1/2 Camaro
@raw720
@raw720 2 года назад
Why don't you guys race the same year models? It seems like you guys have it for Pontiac. How about you race the 1970 Z28 against the 1970 Trans am
@Spunky-iq8jm
@Spunky-iq8jm 2 года назад
Close races!
@1563smb
@1563smb 2 года назад
Reaction time won these races😁😁
@hitmanrunner6782
@hitmanrunner6782 2 года назад
I MISS THE FART SOUNDS😞😞
@geraldlafleur7776
@geraldlafleur7776 2 года назад
Oh ya, may the best driver win.
@johnslade9358
@johnslade9358 2 года назад
I love this channel
@Thedoug369
@Thedoug369 Год назад
Hey CZ, for some reason you forgot to mention that this particular GTO is a Royal Bobcat edition, or so it looks to me. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@reidmagnaghi606
@reidmagnaghi606 2 года назад
Any El Caminos?
@JP-dw1fp
@JP-dw1fp 7 месяцев назад
The Z28 would rev to 7200 RPM's. If you left it in 1st, it would automatically shift into 2nd and 3rd at 7200. I know because my brother had one and I'd do that all the time while street racing. I'd beat big block cars all the time including LS6 Chevelle's only because even with the 4.10 gears the tires would only spin for 5 ft or so while the big blocks couldn't get any traction.
@jimmywilkinson9190
@jimmywilkinson9190 2 года назад
even match .
@jamalsangster
@jamalsangster 2 года назад
I'm a tad bit confused, if the Camaro ran a 13.59 how did it lose to a 13.61?
@1972Ventura455ho
@1972Ventura455ho 2 года назад
The GTO had a better MPH and probably cut a better light at the starting line.
@frankammirati3385
@frankammirati3385 2 года назад
The best year gto ever in my opinion .
@maximumcoverage5591
@maximumcoverage5591 Год назад
I think the GTO would have been better off with 3.90 gears. Pontiacs are torque machines. A 410 gears don't really make them faster. It winds it up to fast, a higher gear will allow the torque to be used more. The LT1 has a usable recline of 7500-8000 rpm. Ponchos at 6500 rpm are done, they won't put down any hp higher than that. 3.90 gears and the GTO gets him. MHO
@gordocarbo
@gordocarbo 6 месяцев назад
Those Lt1s wont make it to 7500-8k on a bet.
@williepelzer384
@williepelzer384 10 месяцев назад
The Z seems allittel slow ,i lived those times and street raced all of the cars from that era
@gordocarbo
@gordocarbo 6 месяцев назад
13s is decent for a 70 Z
@ryan.c990
@ryan.c990 2 года назад
Where are the memes and farts man :(
@jimmeyer7632
@jimmeyer7632 2 года назад
TOILET HUMOR OR NOT ...... HAVING THE COMMENTARY JUST COMPLETES THESE VIDEOS .... NO COMMENTARY IS LIKE A MOVIE WITH NO SOUND !!!!
@michelprovencher3798
@michelprovencher3798 2 года назад
Hmmm.
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