That Oldsmobile, hands down, is the Family Cruiser. I mean come on. LS3 supercharged, could seat a family or 5 and has a crap ton of room in the back for groceries and other things. The FF is just for speed and nothing more..
burnoutgaming burnoutdude56 The oldsmobile was created for fuel economy, it probably makes about 14 or more, so it would count as a gas guzzler where the Ferarri has like 11 MPG because it's a V12....So your Ferrari isn't very economical either and have you ever sat in Oldsmobile seats. Oh my god are they comfy. Especially if it's a restoration (which is what that one is).
burnoutgaming burnoutdude56 I'm sorry, and this isn't meant to be rude but your 1 mpg figure is a little inaccurate. I have a camaro ss that weighs about 3750lbs without me in the car. It also has a heavily modified ls3. It gets roughly 28-30mpg on the highway and 17-19mpg in the city if I stay off the throttle. Nowadays fuel injection really helps mileage, the vista cruiser weighs about 4000lbs from the factory, granted it now has air ride and that adds weight, same with the brakes. But it also has wheels that aren't stock and are lighter, and that ls3 is all aluminum, not cast iron like the old days, so i would guess it's roughly the same weight as it came from the factory, and I still see that getting 27mpg+.
Sorry. As a "family cruiser" the Ferrari can't, won't and will *NEVER* hold a candle to the Olds. Yes, it's faster, yes it's a Fezzer. Yes, it has 2 doors. And yes, it has back seats that won't hold a child large enough to not use a booster seat. Then, there's the "part time all-wheel drive" system. It's a weak kneed attempt, end story. Either you engineer AWD, or you half-ass RWD into FWD (as is the case of the FF). It's not a "family cruiser", it's a 2 seater that you can fit a baby in the back of. Plus it looks just as bad, if not *WORSE* than the Porsche Panamera (Elephant Car). The "styling" of the FF is an affront to the work of Pininfarina. The Olds, on the other hand, carries full back seats, timeless styling of the classic Cutlass (with the change to a "station wagon" layout), and it's a Cutlass wagon. Plus it offers smoother (if a bit unrefined) ride quality. It's a genuine laugh to drive when driven hard, perfectly comfortable and stable when driven safely. And it will likely get more looks from people when driven down the road. My vote is for the Vista Cruiser. It's just better from a daily driven standpoint.
For me, Vista Cruiser, hands down. My grandpa had a '73 Custom Cruiser when I was a kid. Loved to ride in that third seat facing the back. So many memories.
+Chalres Kirkland I agree american classics all the way. that ferrari is so damn ugly compared to the wagon. I hate when people say american classics are pieces of shit it makes no sense to me
Lol yep, I'd choose an American Classic Muscle over Lambo or Ferrari any day. The ferraris and lambos aren't even that cool to me, my favorite classic car is probably the '69 Cutlass. I also love big 4 door land yachts from the 70's and 80's.
"Hey guys let's compare a rocket and a bicycle! And the bicycle wins because of nostalgia and MURRICA FUCK YEAH!" But despite the victory itself, these comparisons are pretty stupid and pointless.
And biased typically I still can't get over the fact that the Regal GNX from 2 weeks ago lost to a Chevelle. I think it's peculiar that a show sponsored by Hagerty, a company that sells classic car insurance, always has the classic car win. I know it's voted on but it's not like the results are ever posted before next weeks episode. Seems like a way to boost the amount of classic cars on the road to me.
Ferrari FF is not family car, it’s not even a wagon (or a shooting brake). Its just a fast, V12 hatchback. And it is not very good looking, anyone older than 8 could not get in the back, you can’t get a dog in the boot and being a Ferrari it’s quite likely to burn down anytime soon. You should get probably the very best all round production car of them all -the AUDI RS6 Avant. Good looking, fast, with amazing interior quality and space inside for your mates, dog, shopping, wardrobe and half a ton of concrete.
NegativeNumbers427 i have to disagree with you only because i dont know how am i supposed to drop off chopped up child in a school without people looking at me like i was a maniac
NegativeNumbers427 Well, if you were to cut a child into small pieces, then they would fit nicely into a boot of Mazda MX-5 or even Ford GT (but you problably would need to use a mincer)
While it's obvious this video is for shits and giggles, the reality of owning a Ferrari is just not a realistic for 95% of people here in the U.S.. The insurance cost on such a car would match many home mortgages and besides that, 99% of other people on the road wouldn't have enough insurance coverage themselves should they ever total this Ferrari in a wreck. It's a beautiful car in it's own right, and I'm sure as capable as anything else on the road as far as performance numbers are concerned, but unless you are a seven figure bread winner, it's totally too much car for the majority of the population to enjoy it like it deserves to be enjoyed. The Vista Cruiser, while totally reworked to be enjoyed in a modern world, doesn't represent what most older 70s wagons really are. The cost of this Olds, as is, is probably north of $100,000 with ease and that's something is consider. Although the average Joe could probably screw together something similar in his garage for under $30K if they shop wisely and have talented hands. BTW, Matt obviously never went on a date to the Drive-In if this is the most fun he's ever had in a wagon LOL
There is something just wrong about a vintage Oldsmobile with anything other than an Olds engine. Factory stock could have been a 455 4 barrel - and there are upgrades for Olds engines and factory stock would have still been around 500 pound / feet of torque. The Vista cruiser is the winner here, but the best Vista Cruiser is the ultimate street sleeper - not this blinged out hack job.
Alan Maier amen to that, but I always thought that the LS took some of the good stuff from the Oldsmobile motors, being a Chevrolet motor itself, back in the day, Oldsmobile was the canvas for their more powerful car customization. I have an Oldsmobile from when they were stuffing motors that the 1987 Grand National used, the Buick 3800 V6. I heard that if turbocharged, this engine is a damn "six gun" when it comes to 0-60 times.
From what olds guys who've swapped to ls have told me, it's about the $$$ to power ratio when swapping to chevy. Not only that, but apparently olds blocks don't hold power to well.
I'd take the Buick because nothing says "fuck everyone" like a 1970's wide car that hogs up more parking space than what's alotted in most parking lots.
3Storms i have the buick version, the sport wagon. they are no wider than a modern midsize crossover. They are light for the size as well, nothing but steel and glass....about 4300lb
Motortrend is mostly a US dominated automotive journalism group, meaning they focus on cars where you can buy or build here in the states. That's why their reviews on new or classic cars are predominantly stuff you get here, hence no Australian or UK right-hand drive cars.
Motor trend is 85% USA cars. The other percentage is cars from European countries, china, Japan. The reason they don't show the other country's cars and history is due to you don't really find them here. Don't get me wrong, there are ppl that import them but it's rare.
BRANDON CALDWELL most brands have dealerships all over the world, why would you have to import unless it's something like a old nissan skyline or something like that?
G0ML3 sure most brands are but look at the chevy Colorado in the us via the on in the believe it's the Philippines, massively different. Same as ford they made rangers in the USA then when they created the new one they stopped producing it in the USA due to it being the size of the f150. The claim they didn't want it to compete with the sales of their #1 best selling truck so it will always be non USA now. Ford use to import f150s from China too but think they stopped due to the quality being poor. Then you get into the 1% ppl who want a Porsche, ferrari, Maserati, etc. They won't build a car anywhere else then from their 1 and only plant.
G0ML3 Most brands do have dealers in every country, but there are many cars they only sell in certain parts of the world. Some might also be very rare and hard to find, in the case of exotics.
I get more sick of this every episode. I am by NO MEANS a fan of Ferrari by ANY STANDARD, but how can they even compare? The biggest issue I face is, why have a "generation gap" if the older car is extensively modified with modern parts? It ruins the whole point of the car being so much older, so there's no point in bitching over what's better. That's like arguing that a Civic SI is better than a GTI. It doesn't even compare, but throw your checkbook at the civic and of course it would be better than a standard GTI. I really just don't see the point in this at all.
Now now you won't make me believe that an old station wagon on air bags performs as good as the Ferrari. In a straight line maybe but roads also have corners. Secondly the looks: Park this Ferrari near to the cruiser and the cruiser just disappears. Thirdly the passion: Again, if there had to be a car company that scream passion with every car they ever made it's Ferrari. I mean they've even refused to make turbo cars just because the sound of the engine wouldn't be as great how's that for passion.
Best Braai I watched it before explaining myself.The Ferrari has the 5 P's Presence, Panache, Prestige, Performance and Passion. Don't get me wrong I still like the Olds I would take it home any day but if I had to choose between the two the Olds would stay on the parking lot.
Imagine if you go on vacantion with your family in that ferrari, where do you put all the clothing for 2 adults and 2 kids? just saying that the wagon has more room, is better looking, has that great exhaust noise and it's cheaper!
If you build it yourself and exclude fuel efficiency. I bet the Ferrari is better on gas and the Buick is still probably over 100 grand to have it professionally built.
alexander vick the majorty of most ferrari's are also $100,000 as well, and to me, personally, I would rather build my own car than have someone professionally build it :) but then again I like tinkering around with things
That's why you don't have a ferrari. Ferrari owner drive their cars just because they want to drive then, even the 2+2 FF, still just a driving experience for them, it have two seat because they want to share these experience with friends and family. If you drive a ferrari for a road trip you must have other ways to get to the destination, but you choose to drive, and the only thing you need to bring is your Credit Card and Check book, you can but any clothing with that.
Modified car vs stock car? Good comparison.... especially since if you're looking for a family car and a vista cruiser is what you're looking at, I'm sure a Ferrari is on the same list of possible car to get. I honestly feel that this is the worse show on this channel. My rant is finished, that is all.
I had a 72 Vista Cruiser (pre-emission controls) with a 350. What a monster. I had it loaded to help someone move and when you hit the accelerator to get into traffic...it was like magic, no hesitation, ..and I didn’t even have the model with the four barrel carburetor!
i generaly disagree with most videos these guys do but this is just over the top. in a performance you judged ferrari equal to a 40+ year old station wagon? really? you are saying this old car looks as good as ferrari? really? passion? when it comes to passion no car can come close to ferrari but they split the points. maybe its just me living in europe and not appreciating american go straight, make noise and call it passion way of building cars
The ferrari never stood a chance from the beginning, on the space alone. this single episode was for "family" cruiser, and he went with a car that actually makes an 05-09 mustang look more like a family wagon
not even going to watch this one... again... producers, make real comparisons, last time I asked you to stop comparing 1-off rigs from lingenfelters personal stash to cars anyone can acquire... this is no different, now you are comparing old station wagons against damn near race cars... motor trend channel, you just lost a sub
I'm with this guy. The shows have turned to shit motor trend. Listen to the comments section for once and bring the shows we care about not some "roll em up" special. You have lost 2 subscribers in the same comment thread....
noel1553 roadkill and dirt everyday were my only reason for subscribing and now that it seems they have removed those shows from their budget list.... I'm removing them untill they add new episodes. I can only watch the RK charger drift in dirt so many times lol
I only stick around for Roadkill and to wait 6 months for the Nissan 240sx build. Every time I see "Generation Gap" I have to check to see whether the producers have listened to their subs or if they've made another episode which makes me face palm.
***** and for a couple of us, this show has stopped being entertaining or "fun" as you put it, so stop putting 2 pennies where they were never wanted nor asked for
I'm just under 6'4" and I've sat in the back seats of the FF, they actually work, the seat is comfortable, you have just enough leg and headroom, I was a hard F12 fan until I went to the dealership and sat in the back, I was impressed
Vista Cruiser This comparison is bunk. How can a 2 door with barely any legroom be considered a "family car" and compared against a 4 door wagon??? A better comparison would be a stock Vista Cruiser VS a Dodge Magnum. Even if the modified Vista Cruiser was used, a modified Hemi Magnum would even the odds.
How is it old vs new when the old car has new tech all over it? I guess if it was actual old vs new old would always lose so this is a way to even the playing field?
People are funny about there votes. They want a car that does things for them, tells them what to do like get oil change or right tire low pressure. So the answer to your question is yes it was to "even" the playing field.
The Ferrari by a long shot, I remember when the FF was announced, I thought the front was too long and the back was too tall but it's really grown on me in a big way and I really want one now.
Ed, uh... this is not the car I ordered. I distinctly ordered the Antarctic Blue Super Sports Wagon with the C.B. and optional rally fun pack. You didn't order the Metallic Pea?
in what world is a $300K Ferrari a family car? yeah its a great car and seats 4 but come on. a magnum or Mercedes wagon would have been better comparison.
Agreed the Ferrari would be so far ahead on braking and handling. Also I suspect the FF would have the Oldsmobile by a long margin in a straight line too, at least from a dig - with 4wd and launch control I suspect it'd make the Oldie look like it was standing still over the first couple of hundred feet... I somewhat doubt that the wagon is a similar weight to the Ferrari also, since it's got all those airbag suspension components in it - that stuff is heavy - but maybe the extra low down torque from the supercharger would offset that. Also top speed, the Ferrari is good for a genuine 200mph, the wagon probably isn't going to top 150 and would feel pretty sketchy past 120 I'd bet. Affordability is nonsense too - the wagon would have cost a fortune to build, I don't think the price gap would be as much as they suggest. They didn't take safety into account either, which for me with a family would be important the Ferrari has all the modern safety features, the Olds has none at all. I think this comparison was very biased by one car being a US one and the other being from Italy.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Oldsmobile - it's super cool, but it's not vaguely in the same league as the FF - the only thing it has over the FF is space. The scores should have been reversed.
Performance, split the points!? That thing against the FF cannot post the same lap times! NO! Performance 5 points Ferrari. Collectibility, no one in the world would want that thing, except in some backwoods parts of America, in 30 years you can sell the Ferrari no matter what part of the world. Collectibility another 5 points Ferrari!...is collectibility a word?...yeah okay ease of ownership I give 4 points to the Olds. Looks! yeah 100 POINTS FERRARI FF!!! 110 vs 4 points, Ferrari wins!!!
Joe Barbaro Ferraris are over priced crappy cars that need v12s to get speed, the Vista is a superchargered v8 that gets similar hp and I'm not even going to get into how much torque the Vista has.
fungamer2817 Do you pay for the name, yes, do they need a V12, no, and if we start looking at performance numbers then the FF will beat the Cruiser in a performance numbers game, and I'm not talking about just HP and TQ. But all of that is irrelevant because this are being compared as family hauler/cruisers not performance vehicles. I personally would still take the Cruiser even if you knocked the HP down to 300hp. Performance is irrelevant as long as it has enough to do the vehicles intended job.
If I was "rich", I'd rather pay American boys & girls to restomod an American classic. as it stand, I buy the most cost effective... American Trucks & Japanese cars.
WTF is this show?! Lets take a PIECE OF SHIT and compare it to Ferrari and make a video out of it... "Oh look, piece of shit has nice texture and shape, but a little smelly. Overall I'll give it one point for style". FIRE THE PRODUCER OF THIS SHOW FOR CHRIST SAKE
The F12!!.....that's why I always though a Corvette Wagon was a beautiful car the C7 version looks just like this Ferrari, STUNNING ! Pics: thedetroitbureau.com/2013/03/a-corvette-wagon/ The 442 Vista would be perfect for roadtrips wit all that space, 650hp is just gravy......BTW shoot the guy in the Camaro @ 7:04 for that shit spoiler !
***** Ohh OK, LOL ! You can be absolutely right, I appreciate cars like that a lot but not always know everything about them though. Thanks for the correction man :)
***** True....it would be almost impossible to compare the two, they are so different. It comes down to: I like the Vista or I like the F12....personal choice.
Olds, extremely difficult choice. The reason the Olds wins is because I owned a 64 Dynamic 88 and loved it. But this is one of my favorite Ferrari's ever, A HATCHBACK!! WHAT??? Love it.
The only reason to pick the Ferrari is to sell it, buy the Olds for yourself, a nice CTS-4 for the wife and still have enough to put your 2 kids (who you would NEVER let into the $300,000.00 Ferrari anyway) though collage.
Why do I get the feeling that the car selection is based off of what cars were available at the time of shooting as oppose to what cars you'd actually choose.
I like my Old's cruiser. A '68 Ninety-Eight convertible with a rocket 455 V8. And that Vista Cruiser is so modernized you can't really call it a classic.
Bizarre comparisons aside, the Oldsmobile gets my vote for one reason: the involuntary grin that spreads across my face every time they revved up that engine. The Ferrari's exhaust note *is* beautiful, but I can't deny the automatic smile!
Definitely the wagon. As for dependability, a well maintained Olds will outlive the skateboard FF by a long margin. Another point to consider is maintenance cost. As the Ferrari will cost in the neighborhood of $6 THOUSAND dollars for a standard tune up, including valve adjustment, the Olds, with the Lingenfelter engine will be a little more then the average modern Chevrolet. Not to mention, you can fit eight passengers in it as well!
John Anderson Well actually not anymore with the FF starting in 2012 you get 7 years of maintenance free for the Ferrari of trouble free ownership. All you pay for is tires, brakes and windscreen wipers. The FF at 0-62 in 3.7 with a top speed of over 208 MPH and no mention of performance numbers for the Cruiser I gotta give the performance to the FF. I like the Cruiser it's a cool ride but it's not what Olds made when it came out, that plus all wheel drive and handling capabilities of the FF totally trump the Wagon. Now the loud pedal and the uniqueness of the Cruiser could give me a toss up on the looks category I still have to say that the FF comes out on top when you think about the fact that you don't pay for anything but gas and wearables on a new car, verses having to wrench on the Cruiser and wait for parts to arrive. Which in some cases is part of the fun but still at the end of the day one is a new car with warranty and is a Ferrari and the other is an old car from a dead manufacturer.🤷🏾♂️
Settle down Russ. Let me handle this. Ed, this is not the car I ordered. I distinctly ordered the Antartic Blue Super Sports Wagon with the C.B. and optional rally fun pack.
I learned to drive in a 1959 Mercury Station Wagon and I've always liked the Olds Vista Cruiser. Back in the day, I think it was Hot Rod Magazine, did a build up of an Olds VC with the 455 engine and one of the things that blew them away was how fast it would corner. They freaked out about it being able to do 4 wheel drifts. Personally I'd vote for the Vista Cruiser mostly for that reason. But! I'd put a Duramax Diesel in it with compound turbos and an Allison 6 speed automatic. I do believe that set up would stomp the crap out of that Ferrari in the quarter mile and with proper suspension tuning would give it a run for it's money in a road coarse race, especially one with decent straightaways. And still cost less than a fifth the cost of the Ferrari. The Ford VS Ferrari LeMans issues of the late 60's cemented my antipathy towards Ferrari pretty solidly so I have to admit being biased.
I rarely respond to these but the Vista is a no brainer winner. Cool and definitely much more dependable, usefull, easier to maintain and customize, and just flat out wicked looking.
If only that Cruiser had the Olds 455 Rocket W-30 Big Block in it. Would love it even more.
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People saying that the this Vista is no match for the ferrari and they just think it's better because they're american... I'm French (so no nostalgia), I don't especially like american car , but for a " Family Cruiser" , I would choose that Vista over any Ferrari.
wow,my dad had one and i did the same thing to it .I put a w30 442 motor tranny &rear with 411s and latter bars and craigers all way around including trans am buckets and consoul. the car was so cool every one usto stop and look at it.I had it forawile before i recked it. thanks for listening./mike elcamino
I'd have to say the Oldsmobile. As much as the Ferrari is a modern,new, and a sophisticated car...The Olds to me is more of a real well rounded genuine car. It can't get any better than this....the passion, gutsy and rumble of the high output V8 under the hood makes me really excited cruising down with this car. It was meant how a car should be made.
OMG! My buddy works for a Dodge dealer in L.A. and he told me that there are droves and droves of people trading in their GT Mustangs and SS Camaros for the new 2015 Challenger RT Scat Packs. Sooooo freakin funny. Total fair weather fans! Well if you want a cheap used mustang or Camaro head to L.A. ;o)
