Football violence in the 80s became more sinister, you literally put your own life in your hands going to the match, every young lad wanted to be a football hooligan it was that cool, and the adrenaline was awesome
True, I joined the forces in the 80's to instill some discipline and get me away from football violence. It worked, as my involvement saw a massive decrease...I was only able to take part when I was on leave 🤣
Being a Youth growing up in 70s & 80s, knowing we were only 4 mins away from Nuclear Armageddon is it a surprise we wanted to get drunk and fight likeminded people? Made a change from Politics and Poverty and War films on a Weekend afternoon TV followed by Antiques Roadshow & Songs of Praise
The 1st recorded instances of football hooliganism in the modern game occurred in the 1880s in England, In 1885, after Preston North End beat Aston Villa 5-0 in a friendly match, both teams were pelted with stones, attacked with sticks, punched, kicked and spat at. One Preston player was beaten so severely that he lost consciousness and press reports at the time described the fans as "howling roughs"
I was live at Chorlton, Manchester in 1970’s which is middle between Maine Road and Old Trafford, seen many hooligans being chased & fights every Saturday. Scary that.
First generation to not experience war, but we were brought up to believe that aggression, courage and the ability to fight were admirable qualities. We were potential soldiers without a war. Not too difficult to understand.
My first game was in 1976 when I was 11. I'm ashamed to say I was swept along with it all until I realised just how foolish it was at the age of 21, haven't been to a football match since. Being young and impressionable I looked up to these people. Must say that the police didn't help, they inflamed it. I, myself, was beaten up by police at the age of 13. Saw them hitting people indiscriminately with their truncheons. One of my mates was held down on the floor whilst a policeman on horseback got the horse to back over his legs. I still have so many images in my head of the violence on all sides. The people that like to glorify those dark days are so sad. What team I supported is not important. Everyone was as bad as everyone else. Still have so much guilt for the things I did.
hey, at least you grew up! "how foolish it was at the age of 21" the truly ridiculous/foolish ones are thosewho are still doing it in their thirties and beyond
You are human. ..I did the same thing...forgive yourself...politicians stood by and laughed...and now broken britain...and not your fault...boris...whit.
Considering the amount of print and video on the subject, that's the first time I heard the theory this presenter espouses. Before you laugh, it's fairly valid when you think about it. I completely forgot, despite the terracing that made grounds have larger capacities than they do today, that attendance had fallen. That vacuum of less dads and granddads is at least a unique take on it all.
@ 1.29 theres a scene what looks like man u fans running across the street at tudor rd, cardiff, is this the famous off from 74? is there anymore footage anywhere?
The 1970s were very violent in general, TV news was Vietnam, Ireland, Baader-Meinhof Gang, none stop industrial action, mass picketing, cops totally out of control and no CCTV anywhere, if you ran away you got away with it, and football was part of the violence, back then you could get caught fighting in a ground and get thrown out then pay at another turnstile to get back in, I once argued with a gate Stewart that I got thrown out for no reason and he let me back in free. shoppers would clear the streets ready for when the game was about to end at 4-45, football grounds become a stage for young men to prove their self's, are grounds better now, I hope so, it was dark, damp, smelly, cold, brutal, and being treated like cattle is not fun, I blame the owners and cops, Hillsborough proved that, Hillsborough happened every weekend but no one usually died,
@@jondarke5601 It wasn't murder that is a lie spread by the thatcher loving press. It was also Juventus fans and a wall that caused the deaths. They crushed their own fans getbthe fact straight.
@@ThePAULOPABLO Those Juve fans killed by the Liverpool fans weren't fans who travelled from Turin for the game but were in most part Italians living in Belgium. I love the way Thatcher always gets the blame for their own scummy behaviour
My old man played against him when they were 12 he said you couldn't miss him with his red hair but also despite his size the best player on the pitch.
First Millwall away game outside London v Portsmouth 30th November, 1968 . Exactly 51 years ago tomorrow. I was wondering would The Lions turn up. Parked the car 1/2 mile from Fratton Park and I could hear them inside the ground from the car ! lol Got in the old end and there were Millwall occupying both the up and down sections of the 2-tier home stand singing " Knees Up Mother Brown"....:) As always away we lost , 3/0 on this occasion.....
Was a kinda fashion,tribal,your town/city versus another,taking their main end......made going to football really exciting,gave it that edge......great days
First Millwall away game outside London v Portsmouth 30th November, 1968 . Exactly 51 years ago tomorrow. I was wondering would The Lions turn up. Parked the car 1/2 mile from Fratton Park and I could hear them inside the ground from the car ! lol Got in the old end and there were Millwall occupying both the up and down sections of the 2-tier home stand singing " Knees Up Mother Brown"....:) As always away we lost , 3/0 on this occasion.....
07:50, Interesting observation. I can recall in 1975 being in the 'Scratching Sheds' at Bloomfield Rd (Blackpool). We were in our mid teens and were being slowly and casually surrounded by a bunch of very aggressive Sunderland 'supposed' supporters. Then these men in their mid 30's to mid 40's all dressed in workman's clothes (in those days I guess they were builders straight from work via the chip shop) kind of started to group around us, telling us just to not react and be sensible. Seeing these men in their donkey jackets etc the Sunderland 'yobs' sidled away looking very shifty. I have never forgotten this.
As a Walsall supporter (streetender) that was the dress code, donkey jacket, jeans, dock Martin boots, & a Walsall silk scarf on your wrists, or tucked away so you could get in the home end at away matches.
Millwall's F troop (named after a row of the terrace where they stood at the old den in the 70's) were chanting, " Stab stab stab the bastard stab stab stab the bastard" on the mini bus.
Yes the stewards even show you to your seat now how woke the fun has gone forever you can't even stand up with out some jobsworth shouting you will be throw out
" If some dirty northern ponce spits on me I will put a pint glass in his face ! " Bobby.. MILLWALL circa 1970's as was that coach avec Harry Le Chien.... I followed Millwall all over the Country then from Plymouth to Carlisle and 78 grounds in between. First game Sept.1962 and never once involved..though I DID have to think quickly on my feet on many occasions ! lol
Yes m8 @ 1'10 on the coach. Also @ 1'47 the "Pint glass over the northerners head" was Bobby of Millwall and the song at the very end about "When I was just a little boy,who should it be" came from the 2nd famous Pamorama Documentary on Millwall in the 1980's.The forgotten first one was M,illwall on their way to Villa in 1968 FA Cup 3rd Round/
No words can adequately express my remorse regarding my inexcusable error. I am mortified that I got to make such a Schoolboy error and I only try to crave your forgiveness for my brief moment of total complete and utter insanity in making this mistake. I have no excuses and I can only apologise ,profusely, for my stupidity, once again. You are a good man for pointing this out to me. I'm inconsolable at the moment.....:(
@@Isleofskye Good memory ios mate, ive heard this a few times ref to the Panorama being the second one made, do you know if it was ever aired ? or know someone who had a copy or have one ? shame with Harry Rip and Billy and few othersetc, A few wall lads have mentioned this other Panorama Doc, you saying villa is another bit of info "Give me a M" M Wubbleyou ha A different time a
The appalling state of British stadia was a major factor in the breakdown in the 1970s. Many people would not attend them as the facilities were so bad. They were still largely Victorian.
Yes, I remember these terrible times back in the 70's, every week there was hooligans spoiling the real fans day out & in some cases there were clubs who just let it happen. Nearly turned me away from the great game back then, thank God it's a safer place to gather these days ....
@@MacStoker Went to Man Utd at Newcastle in the 80s. Mirandinha was playing for you then, you were also improving the ground. Amazed by the noise and I stayed at the Swallowfield Hotel. Went out to the city centre that night and had a great time. Loved the Newcastle people since as your a friendly bunch. I was 19 at the time haha
Expensive though if you liked Groups. To see 3 of the best Bands in the World then: Led Zeppelin : Wembley Arena 1974. Pink Floyd @ Earls Court 1973 and Deep Purple at The Royal Albert Hall around that time cost a COMBINED......................£2...............£1 TO see Pink Floyd debut Dark Side Of The Moon. 75 PENCE to watch Zeppelin and 25 PENCE to watch Deep Purple............lol
garden centres can be extremely dangerous at weekend,,,,,,,its tribal,,,,,some of us go to be part of the crowd, accepted by are neighbours and workmates,,,,,others are in to the potted plants, whilst a rival group may prefer the outdoor plants and wooden benches. It tends to kick off in the tea room around 4pm.
@rque 2 Ok Fads instead of HomeBase, then, but I stand by B&Q, as they had multiple stores by the end of the 70s. And now I will try and extricate myself from the Wikipedia spiral that you, yes you, sent me into, before the whole afternoon is lost to researching the origins of large chain UK retailers.
The late 70s were the heyday of mass uncontrolled violence. The 80s saw it become far more organised and direct. For me the 70s were the most dangerous, at times it was out of control madness.
I assume you were NOT around. Football violence occured at my Club: Milwall from The Mid 1960's though the ground had been closed a few times b4 which was unheard of then.Other Clubs then followed suit. Thatcher came to power in 1979. Stop being brainwashed .Thatcher believed in BRITAIN and gave the working class the chance to buy their own home while Labour wanted to control the people by keeping them indebted to them by giving them social housing...@ @@carbobritton
@@Isleofskye The right to buy is why we are in such a bad housing situation now. Councils are still forced to sell off your property at very low rates. Not only that, they only get a small fraction of that money to reinvest into social housing. Property prices have gone through the roof and so have rents. Homelessness is at an all time high. In Bristol, where I live now, normal working people are resorting to buying camper vans. That's people with jobs. Or moving to Newport, where the rents are still just about manageable. Thatchers Britain was built on greed and unsustainable.
I would suggest it was built on self-determination and aspiration. To try, as a working class Boy from ther rough and tough Old Kent Road near Millwall Football Club to study hard and achieve and , thus, be free and independent to buy your own property and NOT be reliant on The Nanny State but yourselves. So that I would be responsible for my actions and not blame anyone else and reap any rewards that accompany that lifestyle. So I DID study and attended an excellent working class Inner London Grammar School which "Good Old Labour-"Friends" of The Working Class" abolished so Working Class kids thereafter ,went to standard,very average secondary schools and stayed in Social housing (where still available ) and like sheep continued to be "controlled" either by working in Nationalised Industries or the local Council , with no competition or reduced to rely on Society or the local council for their housing needs . Some of us broke free and escaped their evil clutches.@@papatruss
Then we later got Fila to make our kit. The size of club in 1000's we lead the way even more now when it matters, Hammers away take more than anyone. All it was and is, is recreational relief from nagging bird and work.
But I watched a Pathe news reel of a 1952 match. So many older men. And they had the body language of MEN, restrained, controlled....they clapped and cheered, waved flags, that's all...and the younger men copied them. Compare to the 80s. It's all young brickies, plasterers, estate agents..but the older men are gone. And the young men are acting like boys....little boys, I mean, jumping, shouting, fighting, making childish two~finger gestures, singing silly songs...not clever chants , just silly....little boys but unfortunately with height and muscle. The old men arent in garden centres. They are ON THE DOLE. It's the men over 45 who cant find other jobs when ther factories closed. They can't afford to go to the football any more. Not even a terrace ticket.
When I saw the Sex Pistols and the Ramones in Hollywood in I believe it was 1977 as a sophomore highschooler who was tired of the establishment led zeppelin, journey, rock genre and Donna Summer disco direction I was playing soccer instead of traditional American football and had lots of street vices and I WISHED WE over across the pond had Hooliganism!!! Fanaticism is pure emotion.. Football fans will save the world! Go Ajax... Reds v Barca ..
Pretty good assessment remember 70's and 80's very well...united had numbers if you ran at em they would leg it; there were some serious firms about. Millwall, West Ham, Leeds, Stoke, Boro, Bristol City & Rovers, Cambridge had a field day against us (Went for scarfers though) to name but a few
@@cliveboulton2408 OK Clive respect your opinion but it is wrong, we always up turned not just at OT everywhere we went. We have been up the stretford we have been in the scouse kop and stayed for the duration of the game. We have run you countless times, numbers count for nothing when they are in the main silly little scarfer cunts. The only team with an untaken end partial or full to my knowledge is the gwladys street end. I have never seen you lot up the shed, you normally had enough to deal with from our north stand boys. Thought I would share this with you, it is not the 70's but the 80's, point is we turned up with thousands for a night game......we could not find you before or after the game ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ma0U7NtKPAI.html
i love the 'weapons' they always show in these documentaries i know knifes were used by some firms. I guess an axe was used by some nutter in the 70s on the vast majority of times nobody had /used weapons
@@jimgavin1726 I'm not a bigot mate, my grandad was an Irish catholic, all my cousins are catholic, nothing whatsoever to do with bigotry, so if someone wants to do me and I want to do them, why should I be embarrassed?
Millwall brick / Pompey cosh - one and the same thing: a newspaper folded tightly again and again until you have a hard, angular wedge in your hand. This was also taught to army squaddies.
I can scrap but I try to run away from a man with a knife. Have never been cut up before but need a breeze block or a weapon to deal with nasty characters.
That sounds like it should be a timeless proverb. "Son, I dont have much to pass on to you, but I can tell you this, pay attention, son: NEVER.... bring a hairbrush to an axe fight"
@@DB-us6ke people who don't come from here....hence the word 'invasion'. That's specifically why I used the word invasion. The word invasion is the clearest and most concise way of explaining what has gone on.
@@DB-us6ke The Third World, mon ami......The Silent Invasion....My friend walked down Whitechapel in East London 2 weeks ago after an interview and passed endless people in the streets in n hour........and did not hear a single word of English spoken....
@@RoCK3rAD you idiot Marxist piece of filth. If we hadn't have 'invaded' the other countries they would still be shitting in holes in the ground and burning their widows. Genetically we are the best. We will without doubt weather this storm. The likes of your kind willing the demise of the uk based on some invader history fallacy can fuck right off.
Modern Football IS Rubbish .... they've tried and still are trying to price the working man out of the game and into a pub to watch it on fuckin Sky tv or sat at home.
1965 man u ran down green STREET, west ham, smashed all shops windows etc on way to ground. That kicked it off big style. Next time west ham were waiting for them. Then Arsenal spurs etc. Fan segregation did not exist then. Up until late 80s you could go anywhere in a ground. Seating killed it. But man u started the whole thing off and were quickly followed by all clubs fans.
@@jameshatfield8410 your ignorance is stunning. I lived in east London then. Fans shared space in grounds. Man U started the trouble. End of. You wernt even born was you. Nor your parents. And what the ruck makes you think I was a man u can. . Learn to read in context of the words and their meaning. CLUE..criticism of man u......get it.
But people did not die over hooliganism if you are refering to Hillsborough . Ok. The fences were there for that reason I agree but we all know the truth by now.
Chelsea fans that ran through innocent groups of people ( elderly folk, women and children) punching and kicking but not stopping! The bravado of a running mob of cowards!
Today you have solicitors estate agents every walk of life I aint justifying violence its wrong but the reasons run deep its in our blood its the warrior gene where ever there are brits they will fight They like to fight you will never change it yes its wrong but you ask anyone of them theyll tell you they enjoy a battle Its no good slagging them off without looking into the reason they do it Throughout history all weve done is fight im 55 we as kids all has action men then everybody had a .22 air rifle we hunted small game and tin cans and bottles no one can tell me fighting is not in our blood We are a warrior nation history made is such We must look into why people fight but we can not stop it Think this are crews better fighting each other or beating up old ladies in the.street Again it is an outlet for agression Its no good saying join up or get gloves on it wont happen Fighting at football will never stop all you can do is look to why it happen I for one do not condone violence at football but i understand why it happens
Thankfully I was a kid in the 70s and 80s otherwise I probably wouldn't have gone to some games. I saw some trouble but kids weren't a target thankfully
Beware the hairbrush, it was used by Aunty Agnes, she would capture hooligans, brush their hair good and HARD whilst telling them off........THEN what every man fears - out comes the hanky for a public spit-wash!!!!! Hard as nails our Aunty Agnes - She never lost a fight! ...... Legend!
I remember when man utd would row the cockney reds..back in the day.. R.I.P Denton the bear... Arsenal R.I.P Millwall... TINY R.I.P Big Bird... Birmingham city R.I.P one eye Baz Birmingham city... 🇯🇲🇬🇧💯❤️
Sean Murray they r proberly the biggest bunch of cowards. Around clowns. Ostracised wankers. Asslicking. Retarded. Dim. Shits. Work it out brain a Britain
@@bluescousenilsatis absolute bullshit, everton always got battered at old trafford, but they were a good firm at goodison ill give em that, much better than there stinking red scouse neighbours LOL.
People always ask why did clubs allow them in the ground. At the time attendance at most clubs was so low they needed the money from the gate to stay alive.
I seriously never got the idea of carrying a weopon..you didn't do this in my day. One bloke carried a tool one time well a Stanley knife. let the young really mash it up. can't see them doing any bette
I'm trying my best to bring it back and upload vids to get the English youth into football hooliganism and to become nationalidlsts to protect their country.
I have love Man Utd all my life, the last time I went to a match was 1970, Man Utd v Bloody dirty Leeds. The team were dirty, the fans were so indescribable I'll not bother.
I went to see Leeds Utd in 1975 as I was a fan, my first football game, and I could not believe it, I nearly got hit by a glass bottle from one of the fans in the Cop of Leeds Utd, and it hit a lad in front of me, cutting his head open. This is not "the beautiful game". I never went to a football match again.
spot on from a Salford red. remember Newcastle smashing the gates out from the away end under K stand, then trying to get back in after they had seen what waiting for them across the forecourt after the match.
Newcastle came out the ground took the first right and ended up around the back of the dog and partridge' and took man u by surprise....stood your ground but our numbers did you in the end..
@@paulwhilton7197 Rangers did, around 73/74, run across the pitch and scattered the Stretford End, don't deny it, I was there. Rangers did the same to Villa, scattered the Holte End.