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1974: Are YOU at your level of INCOMPETENCE? | The Peter Principle | BBC Archive 

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The Peter Principle states "In a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence". The mind behind the Peter Principle, Dr Laurence J Peter explains some of the observations that informed his theory, and has some advice for those of you who wish to avoid reaching your own level of incompetence.
Originally broadcast 20 March, 1974
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Комментарии : 74   
@david1731048
@david1731048 2 года назад
50 years later and employers still haven't caught on to this paradox?
@theantiqueactionfigure
@theantiqueactionfigure Месяц назад
Especially government employees!
@davidtexmex1616
@davidtexmex1616 2 года назад
From 1974 and how accurate this still is!
@bladder1010
@bladder1010 8 месяцев назад
More accurate than ever, it would seem!
@davedogge2280
@davedogge2280 2 года назад
The Peter Principle is the only entrance exam required at Westminster Parliament.
@bradford_shaun_murray
@bradford_shaun_murray Год назад
4:55
@Veni_Vidi_Vortice
@Veni_Vidi_Vortice 2 года назад
I meet such people every day where I work, quite often several times a day.
@MadBiker-vj5qj
@MadBiker-vj5qj 2 года назад
Yeah, this happens all too often in the Civil Service. I was pretty good at my job, and after a few years they made me the deputy manager of this particular department. I went for it as it meant more money, but after a couple of months I had a nervous breakdown with the stress of having to manage *people*, rather than just doing the job. I asked to be demoted back to my old position and all went well after that. I saw this happen many times over.
@scaredyfish
@scaredyfish 2 года назад
It’s sad that being good at your job isn’t reason enough to give you more money. You have to do management, which is an entirely different job.
@philipsmith4321
@philipsmith4321 2 года назад
Yes I was in the Civil Service for all my working life. The only way to get more money was to get promoted. Unfortunately, this lead to a lot of people in jobs that they were totally unsuitable for.
@bradford_shaun_murray
@bradford_shaun_murray Год назад
4:55
@martinburkinshaw8799
@martinburkinshaw8799 8 месяцев назад
Very brave asking to be demoted. His extended theory, that people are employed until they leave that job through retirement, redundancy or being fired. We have had a couple of people who decided to revert to their previous grade. Mentioned with a sort of stigma - probably envied by some in the same position.
@scaredyfish
@scaredyfish 2 года назад
This is why I don’t want to be a manager. Unfortunately, management is the only way to get decent pay.
@BOZ_11
@BOZ_11 2 года назад
@DnB and Psy Production yes but the ratio is 100:1
@mourtejin
@mourtejin Год назад
In our current system, managers are paid too much, simply by being managers. Skilled workers should be paid well, according to their merit. Same for skilled managers. Skilled managers should be paid more than their unskilled workers. And skilled workers should be paid more than their unskilled managers. To see this played out would actually discourage bad managers from seeking management positions, as their compensation would be lower than that of the people they manage, depriving them of at least one power they currently hold over the skilled worker, which is higher pay. The management 'skill tree' should run 2D parallel to the worker 'skill tree', not 3D over it.
@hunterluxton5976
@hunterluxton5976 8 месяцев назад
Totally agree. I was a teacher for 17 years. Topnotch the pay scale, the managers were crap at thrir job, they were all teachers who had no training. I refused to be s manager as I knew nothing about managing...
@Soufside_Slim
@Soufside_Slim Месяц назад
​@@mourtejin how would the low skilled workers who'd make great managers get promoted?
@artistonamotorbike
@artistonamotorbike 21 день назад
Be a manager but be the best manager. Doing this makes life so much better for employees that suffer under poor management. When you become a manager study, learn and be conscientious. The fact you are here says you can be.
@bpfromowc
@bpfromowc 2 года назад
This guy is great. I love listening to him. He’s funny without trying to be funny. 😄 He also makes some great points. 🙂
@emilian7052
@emilian7052 2 года назад
Dr Laurence J. Peter 1919-1990🙏
@Beardodoomus
@Beardodoomus 2 года назад
I'd recommend to everyone reading the Peter Principal book. If you wonder where society and those in expertise's default state of mediocrity has come from these days, it's all explained in the book. Nearly 50 years later and it's even more applicable today.
@TinLeadHammer
@TinLeadHammer 2 года назад
princiPLE. It was even written on the interstitials.
@Andreas-gh6is
@Andreas-gh6is 2 года назад
Be careful with things that sound true and explain everything. I'd question the assumption that there wasn't "mediocrity" before.
@vjosullivan
@vjosullivan 2 года назад
Does it need a whole book to explain a principle that can be explained in a couple of sentences.
@ilanraeayalabaciu2957
@ilanraeayalabaciu2957 Год назад
@@vjosullivan you can also explain how to do jaw surgery in a couple of sentences
@2davivadiva
@2davivadiva Год назад
Lol people getting so triggered
@barrypiggott7704
@barrypiggott7704 2 года назад
some great Paddy Kingsland music in that. One piece sounds like it's a variation on his "Earthmen" track.
@JiminyCricket8899
@JiminyCricket8899 2 года назад
This is like a Peter Serafinowicz Sketch,especially the music. Great stuff.
@davedogge2280
@davedogge2280 2 года назад
lol
@Beardodoomus
@Beardodoomus 2 года назад
Goes to show how well realised the satire of Serafinowicz and Time Trumpet etc actually was.
@themadplotter
@themadplotter 2 года назад
Almost if all his shows contained parody’s.
@Seal0626
@Seal0626 2 года назад
The graphics are amazing.
@bradford_shaun_murray
@bradford_shaun_murray Год назад
not really, they were crap when I remember them in the 70s and still crap now
@VJFranzK
@VJFranzK 2 года назад
thoughtful! we discovered the maximum incompetence in USA and UK recently! but you solved it better. (like the vintage synth music + vfx!)
@VJFranzK
@VJFranzK 2 года назад
@@jimb12312 Yes, I think that is exactly what makes it vintage. 😉 what definition do you have for that word?
@LuiWallentinGttler
@LuiWallentinGttler 2 года назад
Uh somebody got a new machine for making titles for this little video. Apart from that this sounds like a valid principle and some great observations the good doctor made here. Why oh why is this not better known.
@pholloway
@pholloway 2 года назад
Adore the music and animations in this 🥰
@chrisblum8358
@chrisblum8358 2 года назад
Those animators and syth wizards need a promotion!
@WythenshawePhil
@WythenshawePhil Год назад
I find them silly and annoying. Too loud as well. However, they look dated in a nostalgic way, so that's a plus.
@thesatisfiedcustomer4869
@thesatisfiedcustomer4869 2 года назад
The Peter principle definitely has a place in workplace theories
@MilkShake
@MilkShake 2 года назад
Everything in this is abaolutely Brillient!
@stuartmcalpine9468
@stuartmcalpine9468 3 месяца назад
In the book one example is a man that takes the promotion to impress other people like family and wife and does not like the job but can’t ever leave without destroying his “life.”
@Pikestnt
@Pikestnt 2 года назад
Lovely to see the man himself. Another great book is Parkinson’s Law. The main law is quite well known but the book is satirically written and draws numerous conclusions upon the causes of poor management. And once again, it was written 60+ years ago
@EricRedbear
@EricRedbear Год назад
Had to look it up: Parkinson’s Law - Originally published: 1942 ... 80 years old! and just as the US joined the war. Even more impressive...
@gladiammgtow4092
@gladiammgtow4092 Год назад
Always has and will be this way.
@BrayTube
@BrayTube 2 года назад
Still happening with frightening regularity.
@zeethreepio
@zeethreepio 2 года назад
Every Single Office in the UK
@user-nx5ll9xx9b
@user-nx5ll9xx9b 10 месяцев назад
The 70's electronic music is great 😀
@KarmasAbutch
@KarmasAbutch 9 месяцев назад
Yeah I kinda wanna know where the person “doing digital” in 1974 ended up 😂
@lybri5490
@lybri5490 Год назад
I agree that they seldom put people in managerial positions with proper training and preparation
@nikolaizaicev9297
@nikolaizaicev9297 4 месяца назад
They seldom even teach managers at universities. I have a bachelor and master degrees in management and business administration. These 2 are actually uselles pieces of paper, since 90% of the stuff that is taught at university is plainly wrong and incomplete. Now wonder that the average lifespan of a firm is so low, most of them are managed by incompetent people.
@caof2005
@caof2005 10 месяцев назад
It would be interesting to know how does a person got his/her mastery ? Probably self determination, tenacity and focus would have been important ingredients ? But it is also important to know if other external elements participated like teachers, trainers, coaches and mentors. Probably a way to overcome that situation is to acquire new skills and try, experiment, monitor and adjust in a calculated conscious way.
@pellis47
@pellis47 Год назад
The mechanic example he used is a good way on how to overcome the problem. Said mechanic would have been incompetent when he first started, but over several years would have mastered his craft. The same process applies as a foreman. He has to learn and be taught how to be a foreman. That takes time. So the boss now has to help his new foreman settle into the role over several months, or by giving him the responsibility gradually. The incompetence is with the boss, not the mechanic/foreman.
@JonesNate
@JonesNate Год назад
What if the boss is also at his own level of incompetence?
@BenRudolph
@BenRudolph 7 месяцев назад
if there are regulations on businesses which require or incentivize HR to increase salaries each year then there is pressure to promote people to positions commensurate with salaries
@galahadxyc5337
@galahadxyc5337 Год назад
I've only question my education during my college years, . I drop out most of my subjects 😓
@112chapters3
@112chapters3 2 года назад
Yeah man gimme a badge
@giuseppeLizzi-rj3er
@giuseppeLizzi-rj3er Месяц назад
He looks like my neighbor my dad made him an omelette I don’t think he was a bad guy but he was a prison officer I think 🤔
@giuseppeLizzi-rj3er
@giuseppeLizzi-rj3er 6 месяцев назад
I’m having questions in my mind to about everything
@theantiqueactionfigure
@theantiqueactionfigure Месяц назад
The Peter Principle quit working when DEI showed up!
@giuseppeLizzi-rj3er
@giuseppeLizzi-rj3er 6 месяцев назад
Very strange life
@skullandbones1832
@skullandbones1832 Год назад
❤️
@dus10dnd
@dus10dnd 2 года назад
There is a flaw with this logic. It is a survivorship bias. It isn't that they put you into a role for which you're incompetent... it is that you get promoted no further because of the incompetence in that present level.
@stuartmcalpine9468
@stuartmcalpine9468 3 месяца назад
That is exactly his point. The way he says it is humorous way…ha..ha.
@timthelamb
@timthelamb 2 месяца назад
Pity the poor sparrows who are dumped on by the crows. Laurence fails to mention the numerous examples of persons being promoted due to favouritism, nepotism and cronyism, and those who are promoted as a precautionary measure to minimise harm to an organisation. Perhaps we could call this precautionary promotion.
@comic4relief
@comic4relief 3 месяца назад
Applies to politics as well, yeah?
@petergivenbless900
@petergivenbless900 2 года назад
Computer says... bald man sad.
@KRALTAIR47
@KRALTAIR47 Год назад
This explains biden and kamala
@quadb6574
@quadb6574 11 месяцев назад
Trump also!
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