1984 (6/11) Movie CLIP - It Creeps Up on You (1984) HD 

Oh, absolutely. And it captured the texture of the book perfectly; the sights, sounds, and the heraldry of the Party, everything. But if someone only watched the movie, they might not be able to understand everything that is being talked about (explanation of terms like doublespeak, the nature of Winston's work at the Ministry of Truth, etc.)

The movie did a decent job in terms of adaptation but I've always thought of 1984 as a sort of an allegory, something that is not meant to be taken that literally, kind of like The Wasteland. I just don't think it works quite as efficiently on screen as it does on paper. When I read it, it does make sense that Winston can't even remember what happened 20 years ago because of the constant propaganda, here, it just doesn't seem just as plausible. Also, Parsons is a bit too fat for a member of a society kept at the very brink of starvation.

everyone but me gotta learn.

Not even that. Parsons' kids just reported that he had said it in his sleep. It's left ambiguous (and extremely doubtful) that he actually said it. The point was that even a baseless accusation meant you were fucked.

yarpen26 Parsons is fat in the book though.

"England prevails"

I hope they chose that casting on purpose

He got promoted.

Do you comment the same thing on all 1984 clips?

What if...they're from the same universe 🤔

The system eats away at itself though, it is too arrogant to look at the disease that's killing it, so it will fester. Until for reasons unknown, the entire thing collapses.

"Please not me, take him." And thus any organised resistance is demolished.

Divide and conquer, like the vaccination strategy

@@kastellan1324 Now wait a minute. Let's not get too far fetched.

@@trillgates2452 Sounds exactly like divide and conquer. Create two groups and pit them against each other.

i agree. Also, he is pretty much the only friendly character and even if he did something, he'd do it thinking he was helping you. he'd be, for a change, a pleasant person to spend time with and tbh he'd give me a good laugh in a world full of desperation.

Kind of. I hated his futile cheeriness when i read the book in 84. i was 16 and shoplifted it and Animal Farm. Read them at the back of my classes. Or some other book, i was always doing that. Yeah, the poor guy was doomed. Fisher was from near me in Renfrewshire. Good actor. He can play comedy and this stuff. He was the cigar guy in that advert.

Lol. Funny thing is i stole and read them April '84 when Winston's story starts. Creepy. You from East Germany? Dad took me to see Night Crossing in '82. John Hurt and Beau Bridges. What was life like under the Stasi?

Cheers. I got lucky that day. i liberated the book from the shop. Initially perceived you were from East Germany. Apologies. At least they were okay to give the West passes. You gave me a wee bit of an education there. All the best.

He swallowed up the parties lies with the stupidity of an animal

Gob smacked when I realised it was him.

See you boy

@@lewisdean22 Don't talk to me, boy! Don't talk to me!

@@garymac5571 brilliant

@@lewisdean22 The Baldy Man

Thats usually what happens when your own blood betrays you, you are either forced to see them differently, or see yourself differently to excuse the betrayal.

So like... 99% of current era society?

@g milne Thats something most companies will use to get you working; oh you're X has died? Damn, what about some work to keep your mind off it?

People owning people. The worst criminals locking up and torturing people. I say kill em all

Hahaha! What are you all worried about? 2020 is NOTHING like this! Oh wait...

Smokey 420 well done, you’ve read Animal Farm and you want people to know. You didn’t, however, offer any insight to the original comment.

Under Big Brother´s rule there´s no equality, because Big Brother controls who´s equal to X and who´s equal to Y. Moral of the story dont let the State enforce equality for you, for you´ll have no actual equality, under a big bully that will need to constantly enforce dominance over you

I'd say it's more the book's way of demonstrating the concept of "doublethink". The Party needs everyone to be willing to believe ANYTHING the Party says. Even "2+2=5", if necessary. The Party frequently tells the public falsehoods for political reasons. But a completely misinformed public would be completely incompetent. Science requires facts, and the Party requires science in order to function - even the torture table couldn't be constructed correctly if the builder didn't know that 2+2=4. So the Party encourages "doublethink": it wants you to subconsciously know that 2+2=4 even while consciously believing that 2+2=5. It wants you to operate on your subconscious knowledge when it gives you a task to perform that requires competence and accuracy. All the while, if anyone were to ask you what 2+2 equals, you'd say "5, of course" and believe it. At one point, O'Brien tells Winston "you've always known that you have a faulty memory, but you've never corrected it. A small act of will, of self-destruction, that you weren't prepared to make". The subtext is: "Winston, we ALL know that 2+2=4 on a subconscious level, but if you want to get along in the world then you need to do what the rest of us do and convince yourself otherwise". O'Brien is as much a victim of the Party as anyone else. Parsons saying "death to the Party!" in his sleep shows that even when, consciously, a person is utterly devoted to the Party... subconsciously, they are all still painfully aware of the hell they live in. They're all miserable, convincing themselves that they're happy.

This is more relevant now than ever.

@@DeVolksrepubliek The massive psy-op under the guise of protection. Social distancing, stay at home orders, and mandatory vaccines just to name a few of their protocols. I am not a doomer, I still have hope even as a realist.

Erik Hedberg and now look...I still have hope. They overplayed their hand.

@Analyzing Male Slavery Meds are for the sheeple. I promote naturopathy and homeopathy, not some allopathic remedy that only alleviates symptoms. Your better off taking a salt pill.

@DiscordChaos I can be skeptical of anything I want. You can have your sanity if it means always living in a box.

That is because they were robbed of their will.

And it’s happening now all over the world. Remember you’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy 🤬

Once you're robbed of the right to bear arms, you lose your free will. Without the means to fight, you're a husk.

@MrPorkchops Yeah, like the vast majority of countries who passed gun control laws (like Japan, Australia, Switzerland, Israel) who don’t have to live under the shadow of mass shootings everyday, and are laughing at the USA for continuously shooting ourselves in the foot (sometimes literally). 🙄

@@UGNAvalon have you paid any attention to life in australia in the past 2 months?

Thank you, that made me laugh out loud.

But why

Not a surprise. Our schools are indoctrination centers.

you literally turned into a different human being? I don't think that's how the word "literally" is used.

I don't feel too bad XD

Wait I just read the book. Did I miss that??

i remember there was a "toilet" in the room, not behind a wall or something.

It was in a lavatory pan but the flusher broke

dorpth Haha, gross.

OMG that's so sad T.T

@Jimmy to psychologically separate you from your loved ones by subjecting you to torture that you are so afraid of you wish it upon them instead

@Jimmy np

​@Jeffrey Z Parsons desperately struggles to find a way to stop his torment and lands on Winston. There's no reason to bring him back into this holding cell with Winston, they never bring him back there. That leads me to believe that they brought him to Winston so that he would break and try to deflect his torture onto him. This is, admittedly, not a very strong theory, especially in the book rather than the movie. It was more just a thought I had watching this scene.

@Jeffrey Z I don't think they have a choice, I'm pretty sure somewhere in the book it says that you're assigned at birth. I could be wrong, though. Goldstein probably is loosely based on Trotsky, Orwell quite admired him.

twitter lol

@Craig “he’s the imposter. Its him you want.” -Among Us

@@stargazer4683 facebook more like.

@@sebastianmcgavin3758 Twitter is worse, look at what happened to Gina Carano. A simple trending tag from a few thousand people, your career is over.

How ironic. Then the message of the book totally went over your head. "Ignorance is strength" indeed.

@Micah C I don't know if I'd go as high as 85 percent, but yes.

Sounds like most of the Qanon crowd in America.

@M C Describing almost ALL voter bases, unfortunately. And I count myself in that, I was as poorly educated as anyone and it took me a long time to realise it.

@@Section5_CdnIntelService More like blue anons. Qanons are at least aware the US is falling into tyranny!

@@jasonleigh5674 Q-nuts believe the US government is made up of baby-eating reptile people...and those are the brighter ones.

I think that was a joke in the movie Death of Stalin…

@@somemone4226 no - many who went to their deaths were convinced it was all a mistake and only if Stalin knew it would stop. They never found it was him who directed the terror.

Or the modern us conservative voters, worshiping cops, the military, and all forms of oppression

@Phillip Delgado Nobody said I was a victim dumbass

@@mikaelgaiason688 Cope.

What is room 101? I haven't read the book or seen the movie.

@@lindaglessner3400 It's a room where the thought criminals are forced to face the thing they fear the most (In Winston Smith's case, that's rats). The idea is for them to be so scared that they'll betray the people they care about and become totally loyal to Big Brother (the "face" of the Party). You should read the book, it's better explained there.

Yeah it's kinda funny how Winston was wrong about pretty much everyone he thought would or wouldn't be vaporized in that part of the book.

@@kaleidoscope5054 O'Brien will probably get disappeared eventually. He knows too much.

O'Brien was never harmed in the book.

@osyrys O’Brien was a loyal Inner Party member fully devoted to doublethink. He doesn’t “know too much” because he doesn’t know anything the Party doesn't want him to know. In fact, he probably doesn’t even know that he said “I’m a member of the Brotherhood” to -Winston- that totally-forgotten-unperson!

@@kaleidoscope5054 didn't syme get vaporised too?

He went against the Party son and the MSM --- you never come back from that, even in the movies.

He died?🤔

Yikes you fascists lack even basic critical thinking.

I liked the bit when they dragged Smith into room 101 and said "It's confession time" and he said "No! It's Morbin time"

Oh yeah, the prostitution scene is super family friendly wholesome content 😂

@@aFandoOfLandoteaching our future daughters one at a time 🥲

@@bulldozer3719 They need to learn sometime. And no, I'm not being sarcastic, ironic, or whatever you zoom-zooms call it nowadays.

Yes, it makes me want to weave daisy chains and sing to Big Brother, " Tiptoe Through the Tulips".

Unfortunately some just aren’t as strong as others

Smith was afraid of rats

He thinks that's what Big Brother wants. He's desperate and trying everything. It's what Big Brother wants of Winston, to betray Julia.

@Samuel Black This did not have to be an argument lmaooo

99% of people going to office jobs

He shouted "Death to the Party" in his sleep and his daughter reported him.

@@krashd The thing about this is that we never know if he actually said it OR his daughter made it up for inner party credits

@@bhuvanvenkatesh3181 Very true! But it does seem plausible, we often bark statements in our sleep that we may or may not mean - sleep is the subconscious being handed the reigns after all.

@@krashd : "He shouted 'Death to the Party' in his sleep and his daughter reported him." That's the story, the report. But did he really? How do you know that he didn't?

@@codeoptimizationware2803 I'm not sure I understand your question. I never suggested that he didn't, I just said that our subconscious is out of our control when we sleep.

Why do you think like that?

@@waldgeisthighlander759 Now I get it

Covid 1984 its here folks Good luck you are going to need it

@@PaulGreenwald that's idiotic...🙄

@@aliyah859 have fun.

He escaped and fled to Glasgow. And he realised that he would have to blend in to avoid anyone ratting him out. At first the violent drunk persona was just an act so that he could disguise himself as a local and avoid the Thought Police in case they had followed him. One day he decided he wasn't Parsons anymore. In his mind Parsons died in Room 101. And so he was reborn as Rab C Nesbitt

@@Nobody-471Err, Glasgow is in airstrip one?

@@samdaniels2 It is? I thought Airstrip 1 was just England

@@Nobody-471 I’m pretty sure it’s the name of Britain in the universe.

So under rated.

same to you Dom

gyrovague I will tell you this, boy. I will tell you this! See that bastard sitting next to me? He's the biggest toerag, thought criminal in the world, pal. Take him and no' me!

It's also very funny how people on all sides of the spectrum view those they oppose as the manifestation of this kind of totalitarianism.

Not to this extreme of course, but they are. East Asia is ISIS, Goldstein is populists, liberals, Communinsts. Also most modern countries have mass surveillance, CCTV everywhere and NSA can spy on anyone's smart phone and even television.

Demonizing your enemies like that is exactly what leads to this. You can't label every liberal a Communist nor should you label every conservative a Nazi. On top of that, you don't have to own a smart phone or a tv or a computer. You can choose to live without a lot of those things, basically you decide exactly how much government surveillance you want in your life.

Yes, but the fact is most people live with those devices, and even if they don't there is probably a dozen other ways to spy on them. For most people a mobile phone is essential, in some jobs its almost a must. Just like its becoming increasingly difficult to live without a bank account and a bank card, in many countries you can't make some payments without a card, especially if its a large sum of money.

The more advanced we become the more of our individuality and privacy is sacrificed in the name of progress. It's the pendulum swing however, we learn how much is too much over time. Right now, yes it's absolutely too easy for "free" democratic governments to spy on their people and get away with it, and the media shapes everyone's opinion so much it's nearly impossible to disseminate the truth. The internet changes everything with these factors though, the sum total of human knowledge is available at our finger tips, we DO have to the tools to find the truth. Again I agree that there is way too much control and exposure of the private individual's life, but the sacrifice may be worth it. Only time will tell. Besides it's either that, or reject society as a whole, which is almost never worth it...

You don't have to go that far, the UK is almost there right now.

Exactly. And their organs are harvested after the interrogation is done

They tried to take down a sitting President by asking what he was thinking! (At the time he fired the Director of the FBI, which was well within his rights). Scary stuff.

@@applecorp We aren't even remotely close to anything like this.

@@applecorp In what way?

Yes in country's like north korea or China

@@keschka8739 HAHAHAH, sure. Just there. Not in the West.

@@blairmulholland they literly kill people for having a different opinion I don't see that in europe or in the USA. The west is not perfekt especially the USA but you can't compare that to north korea.

@Dragon Dragon They probably haven't even read Nineteen Eighty-Four, let alone know anything about Orwell

I am an agent of whiteness. I have white privelage. I didn't know it myself.

Looking like Bidens America more and more.

The actor who played parsons is Gregor Fisher-great comedy actor who played Rab C Nesbit in the Scottish comedy show as well as being in the comedy series Naked Video in the 1980s.He’s also in Michael (1984) Radford’s White Mischief which also starts John Hurt.

Gregor Fisher. Much more famous in Britain for his comedy work. But as you can see here, a fine dramatic actor.

How?

@@odhrangallagher5738 in short there has been a lot of noise about ‘hate speech recently’. The longer answer is that the same legislation that covers targeted harassment has been extended to online spaces, in theory sending slurs or threats online is now considered harassment just as doing it in real life would be. This has lead to the uniformed to feel we are living in the reality of 1984. Despite the fact the legislation they are terrified of has existed for decades. It’s also not applied in online spaces in even slightly the same way as it is in real life, sustained campaigns of target harassment by large groups are not treated at all the same as they would be were they perpetuate in person. They have been a couple high profile cases in which the words of individuals online has seen them visited by the police, and even in one case someone being convicted of ‘gross offences’ in a quote obviously stupid case that should have been dismissed. However reconsidering that a decision in a single case is patently wrong isn’t quite the same as thinking we living in Orwell’s novel. And there is plenty evidence that we are headed the other way now, a judge recently ruled the exact opposite in a similar case for example. A case in which the police had visited a man (no charges brought against him) with regards to transphobic tweets he had made. The judge ruled that the action of the police or was unlawful and that guy won his case against them. His tweets weren’t directed at any one but at his audience, therefore he wasn’t harassing anyone and the police had no right to talk to him about it. It’s a complicated issue, how does harassment (which has always been illegal) translate in to online spaces and the context the comes with that. People with a single digit IQ quite like to reduce it down to “omg this is litteraly gergory Orwal 1973”, because they can’t hide behind a screen like they used to, and the consequences for their actions might now follow them even in to online spaces.

@@AlwaysAC "sending slurs or threats online is now considered harassment just as doing it in real life would be." What very intelligent and totally honest person completely forgets to mention is the fact that the definitions are incredibly loose & easily stretched and that the rules are not and never will be applied equally. I think he should go back to reddit where his level of intellectual honesty can do more good :)

Yeah but only one side is seeking to revise history and language to suit their political goals.

@@Rahab111222 , that sentence you said screams- "Ignorance is strength"

@@Rahab111222 Nah they both are there both just as bad as each other

@@josemengelez6947 "by taking away peoples right to vote we are liberating them!"-republicans

@@mazadancoseben4818 In what regard? Is there no such thing as observable reality anymore, or are you just projecting your own bias unto everyone else?

if 1984 was real you probably wouldn't be able to say that or read the book at all🥴

Not even close.

So people can’t criticise your opinion? Isn’t that free speech after all?

😂😂😂😂😂

Same here.

Probably for the fact he was a simple man, who seemingly believed in INGSOC and towed the party line. Inwardly though, he knew how wrong everything was. Only to be caught saying something that was anti Big Brother in his sleep, by his indoctrinated daughter.

I do too. He was loyal, kind and caring plus he was a good father to his kids but the system he loved betrayed and broke him for its own selfish reasons.

or Cancel Culture: The Movie

Imagine the Fascist Mods on some websites actually being in Control of Society!!

I'd like to see him as Winston with the guy who plays Johnson as the one who tortures him

💯💯💯same

I thought China was getting better? Compared to a few decades ago?

@@PlayNiceFolks Not anymore.

@@PlayNiceFolks No way, look up their social credit score system.

It's playing out everywhere.

@@PlayNiceFolks after Xi Jinping got into power it’s becoming much worse.

It already is.

@@desa415 evidence?

@@ALKOS3D There have 🐝 incidents in which ministers have been put in jail for preaching what the Bible says regarding homosexuality in their own churches or in public places. This has happened in Canada, Britain, and the Netherlands. One recent example is a church being burned down in El Monte, Ca. for teaching homosexuality is sinful.

@@desa415 so it’s 1984 when a small group of people burn down a church (allegations at the most) but not when terrorists storm the capitol in order to overturn a democratic vote and vandalise the place and threaten officials inside

@@ALKOS3D What's that got to do with Christianity? There certainly were a few Christians in that riot. But most Chistians didn't like what happend, and accepted the elections outcome. It is true however, that some Christians have been jailed for teaching what the Bible says about homosexuality; and I fear it could get worse. I don't think it's going to be like 1984 which is based on Stalinist Russia. The Constitution is still in charge. But it could be like the Mccarthyism of the 1950s, when people were jailed for their political beliefs, and their careers ruined. Now, the Left has added religious belief to the cancel culture. But in the past, religion has usually been left alone in the US, until now.

actually, what he precisely said, "This is the equivalent of being harrased by people before your twitter fninally shuts down."

@@jelinedelacruz1187 harassed For what exactly? :)

@Lucifer good one

@Lucifer shame we don't

@Lucifer we're definitely closer to that than 1984. If we were actually in 1984 no one would be allowed to make that comparison

they are usually driven to tears (of joy)

@Viking they said that 20 years ago, and yet we are more prosperous than ever despite STILL being in the middle of a pandemic.

@Viking just say what you think is going on, get right to it

@Viking that was nothing but incoherent nonsense

@Viking lol

@Viking you haven't even claimed anything ...

woW haha