Two of the legendary voices in broadcasting called this game: Dick Enberg and Merlin Olsen. They were the second best tandem to call games behind Summerall and Madden. What a great game they called!!! And they are no longer with us.
@@orlandomenendez5533 perhaps other than Madden & Summerall, I say that Enberg & Olsen were the top tandem. Just right after that would be Criqui-Trumpy
Probably the reason Denver and Miami met only twice during that time, is because back then scheduling was based on where a team finished in their division of their conference the previous year to determined whom they would play the next season. There where 3 divisions in each conference 2 of them had five teams in the divisions and 2 divisions had 4 teams in the division. If a team finished first in the division they would be matched up with the other 1st and 4th place finishers in the other divisions of their conference. If a team was in a 4 team division they would play the 5th place team once from each division. And the 1st place finishers would play teams 1 thru 4 in the division of opposite conference. (example: teams 1 thru 4 of NFC East vs. Teams 1 thru 4 from the AFC East). Match-ups of AFC vs. NFC were done on a rotational basis every 3 years. If a team finished 2nd in the division of their conference, they'd be matched up with the 2nd and 3rd place finishers in the conference. As well as playing teams 1 thru 4 in the opposite conference. If a team finished 4th in the division they'd be matched up with 1st and 4th place finishers in the division of the conference and teams 1 thru 4 in the opposite conference. If a team finished fifth in the five team division of the conference they'd play the other 5th place finishers in the division of the conference twice and would play the teams in a 4 team division of the conference. The 5th place finishers would also play the other 5th place finishers in the opposite conference. That format has changed since expansion, realignment and going from 3 divisions to 4. Scheduling is now done on rotational basis. Meaning within the conference they rotate every 3 years. AFC vs. NFC they rotate every 4 years. With the exception of 2 games is based on where your team finished in the division.
And from 1970-77 the scheduling was really random and wonky by modern sports league standards. There were a couple of set patterns that were adhered to, but even they were convoluted. Divisions did NOT play each other, and for the first five post-merger seasons the Broncos played an extra interconference game against different NFL opponents each time for reasons I still have not figured out.
Glad they caught and commented on Strok talking to Marino during the timeout. As great as he was and as unbelievable as his release was, his best years were when he had a good, smart veteran backup. His best stats came with Strok and Kosar and Jaws.
This game on September 29, 1985 was the first time the Broncos and Dolphins met in a regular season game since 1975 and wouldn’t meet again until 1998.
conlanding Another game Broncos lost because Rich Karlis missed an extra point. It also happened on opening day against the Rams. Went 11-5 and missed the playoffs.
John LeValley at that time there were only 2 wild-card teams per conference and the division winner with the 3rd best record also had a first round bye and had to open the divisional playoffs on the road. It wasn’t until 1990 when the # 3 seed had to play in the wild card round. The Patriots edged out the Broncos for the AFC’s fifth and final playoff spot in 1985 based on common opponents, Patriots were 4-2 and Broncos were 3-3. The difference in the tiebreaker was that New England defeated Miami and Denver lost to Miami.
I remember watching this with my dad. That 85 team was very, very good but played a horrible AFC Championship game at home vs the Patriots. Would have been one of the great Super Bowls had they played the Bears again, after ending their perfect season in December.
Yeah, remember they had something like 6 turnovers. Was probably looking ahead the rematch with the Bears. I think the Bears probably would have handled the Fins in the Super Bowl.
Born in '73 and starting following the Fins in '82 so I remember Woodstrock and that Super Bowl season as well as the '83 draft and Marino's fall due to having a shockingly bad senior season after being possibly the nation's most hyped college QB after his junior year. I didn't remember any drug rumors at that time but then again I was 10 and had a sheltered childhood. I also remember the 3-3 start to '83 and being really worried, and then the 12-4 finish after Shula finally giving Marino the reins once and for all.
How is it that these two teams only met once during a 21-year span? Imagine all the shootouts between Marino and Elway we were all denied. Also, this game was played in Week 4 (September 29, 1985). Denver must have been hit by a freak September snowstorm.
Probably the reason Denver and Miami met only twice during that time, is because back then scheduling was based on where a team finished in the division of their conference the previous year to determined whom they would play the next season. There where 3 divisions in each conference 2 of them had five teams in the divisions and 2 divisions had 4 teams in the division. If a team finished first in the division they would be matched up with the other 1st and 4th place finishers in the other divisions of their conference And the 1st place finishers would play teams 1 thru 4 in the division of opposite conference. (example: teams 1 thru 4 of NFC East vs. Teams 1 thru 4 from the AFC East). Match-ups of AFC vs. NFC were done on a rotational basis every 3 years. If a team finished 2nd in the division of their conference, they'd be matched up with the 2nd and 3rd place finishers in the conference. As well as playing teams 1 thru 4 in the opposite conference. If a team finished 4th in the division they'd be matched up with 1st and 4th place finishers in the division of the conference and teams 1 thru 4 in the opposite conference. If a team finished fifth in the five team division of the conference they'd play the other 5th place finishers in the division of the conference twice and would play the teams in a 4 team division of the conference. The 5th place finishers would also play the other 5th place finishers in the opposite conference. That format has changed since expansion, realignment and going from 3 divisions to 4. Scheduling is now done on rotational basis. Meaning within the conference they rotate every 3 years. AFC vs. NFC they rotate every 4 years. With the exception of 2 games is based on where your team finished in the division.
It was even worse for teams from opposite conferences. The Fins and Giants went 18 years between their first and second meetings. If you were born the year they first played ('72) you would've graduated high school by the time they played again in '90. The Jets and Cards also went 18 years without playing each other, and the Eagles and Chiefs went a whopping 20 years between games 😲😲😲
@@acsmooth110 The current scheduling format is literally the only thing the NFL has gotten right in the last 20 years. So of course they're about to change to 17 and mabe 18 games (sighs).
To think, if Elway had stayed with Baltimore, he and Marino would have played twice every season. Add in Kelly when he finally signed with Buffalo, you would have had 6 meetings every season between future HOF Qbs.
I remember where I was when I watched this game. I am a native Floridian and was a long away from home in New Mexico when I watched this with my older brother. Watching this brings back a lot of memories. If Marino and Elway played in today's league with the QB friendly rules, they would throw for 6000 plus yards a season. Thanks for posting this.
Put Marino on the bills with that defense an Thurman thomas bills would have one probably 3 of those 4 super bowls they lost. Put Montana on the dolphins see how many superbowls he wins Marino on the niners see how many he wins. Montana is great but he can't hold a candle to Marino the niners were loaded all pros on offense and defense teams win super bowls. Dolphins never had a complete team to give Marino a chance go back an look at how many times the dolphins lost when Marino put up 30 points or more cause the defense would give up 40 or more.
Exactly right dude!!! Marino would put up 40 points on the Jets and the defense would give up 45. You can never have a championship team like that. Marino did his job. Had he had any kind of a decent defense, he could have had at least 3 Superbowl rings! It's really sad that a QB as good as Marino was, shattered all the records years in advance of anyone else, many records standing for a couple of decades before being broken, yet never got a ring and only made one SB appearance. But I totally agree, probably ths best QB to ever play the game. Nobody then, now, or ever will, have a release like Marino did!
🐨I don't doubt the greatness of Dan Marino, but let's not trash Joe "Cool Joe" Montana! Look at the defenses that Montana had to defeat just win there division, those NFC's elite defenses during his playoffs victories and Montana's "interception free" Super Bowl performances! You can play the "what if" game all you want, but NFL history has been established and recorded, Joe "Cool Joe" Montana is the "Goat" followed closely by Tom Brady.🏉😉👍🐨
I remember being at that game there still snow in the stands I was on the 5th level I threw a snow ball at Marino when he was on the sideline missing him by a foot man today they would have put me in jail
The Marino Dolphins were one of the most exciting teams however its shocking to see how unbalanced the offense is. Amazing how defenses just didn't tee off on him..Marino's is up there with Sanders and Eric Dickerson ..extreme offensive weapons who deserved better-balanced teams..aka like the 49ers of the 80's..one of the most balanced team ever. The only extreme team to win anything was the 85 bears, all Walter Payton and the most aggressive defence ever with the 46.
I been watching the Dolphins since the early 70s and I miss the Marino days, you always knew you had a chance to come back to win the game when he was in there. I just wish he had a better defense back in the 80s and 90s maybe he could have at least gotten one Super Bowl.
BTW I just have to point out that Marino had just one thousand-yard rushing season by a RB teammate his entire career, while Elway had four RB teammates do it before Terrell Davis was drafted. That is all.
The NFL in those days used a complicated formula based on where teams finished in the standings the prior year to determine who played whom the following season. Because of that it wasn't uncommon for teams, even ones from the same conference, to go many years without playing each other. Too bad because we never had even one meeting between Elway and Marino when they were both in their prime.
You are right. That is probably the reason Denver and Miami met only twice during that time, is because back then scheduling was based on where a team finished in their division of their conference the previous year to determined whom they would play the next season. There where 3 divisions in each conference 2 of them had five teams in the divisions and 2 divisions had 4 teams in the division. If a team finished first in the division they would be matched up with the other 1st and 4th place finishers in the other divisions of their conference. If a team was in a 4 team division they would play the 5th place team once from each division. And the 1st place finishers would play teams 1 thru 4 in the division of opposite conference. (example: teams 1 thru 4 of NFC East vs. Teams 1 thru 4 from the AFC East). Match-ups of AFC vs. NFC were done on a rotational basis every 3 years. If a team finished 2nd in the division of their conference, they'd be matched up with the 2nd and 3rd place finishers in the conference. As well as playing teams 1 thru 4 in the opposite conference. If a team finished 4th in the division they'd be matched up with 1st and 4th place finishers in the division of the conference and teams 1 thru 4 in the opposite conference. If a team finished fifth in the five team division of the conference they'd play the other 5th place finishers in the division of the conference twice and would play the teams in a 4 team division of the conference. The 5th place finishers would also play the other 5th place finishers in the opposite conference. That format has changed since expansion, realignment and going from 3 divisions to 4. Scheduling is now done on rotational basis. Meaning within the conference they rotate every 3 years. AFC vs. NFC they rotate every 4 years. With the exception of 2 games is based on where your team finished in the division.
Tony Nathan, one of the best all around running backs: running, blocking, receiving.Not a breakaway runner but smart, strong, efficient. He kept moving forwards, head down, but eyes up as much as possible. instead of making wasteful juke moves, he went towards the openings quickly, always going forwards.
+r.i.c 500 Imagine if Marino had had Mercury Morris and Larry Czonka and the No Name Defence. Like Bob Griese. Only undefeated team period. 72. 3 Super Bowls in a row. Almost a 4th.
Marino put up those numbers because he DIDN'T have a Barry Sanders. I don't think the 2 could co-exist. A decent D would have delivered a couple championships.
Wow, imagine never winning a SB and only just getting to one SB with a QB like Marino. IDK whether it's Don Shula's shortcomings as a HC or whoever happened to be the GM during this era but this clip brings to mind what an awesome talent Marino was and what a gargantuan waste it was to only muster up one SB appearance.
Marino was the greatest QB to ever play the position, no other QB played with the mediocrity that Dan did, the Dolphins organization let him down. Just picture the saints today with no running game, no defense, and a minimal WR core, Marino took an identical team to the Super Bowl.
Cassius71 yeah man. I honestly feel for Marino and his fans. As an Elway fan, I feared he was on the same path. Denver did for Elway what Miami couldn’t or wouldn’t do for Marino. To be fair, Davis made Shanahan look like a genius but he was drafted in the 6th round. They didn’t know what they had in Davis so it’s very much luck sometimes.
Cassius71 Shula was a senile old hag - more concerned about adding guys on defense, with the beginning of their last names with a ‘B’, and not enough attention to landing talent, changing schemes, and with that quick strike offense, took no time off the clock so the defense literally had no chance. There were several factors...mostly, Marino was almost too good for their own good.
Time out near the end of the 1st half ... Marino heads to the sidelines .. Talks to backup QB Don Strock with Shula listening ... Strock lectures / gestures for Marino do run some play next ... Where is the O Coordinator ? .... Marino runs the play ... TD to TE Joe Rose ... The value of having a backup QB like Strock on the sidelines can't be understated ... You can't find many backup QB's in the league today who are like having another coach on the sidelines the way Strock was for Miami ...
Strock was a legend as a backup. Would've been interesting what he could have done as a full time starter. Surprised he hasn't gone into coaching. As far as I know anyway. He had a great knowledge and the game
@@patwiggins6969 He was smart but not terribly talented. They tried him full time before Dan came along and it just didn't work out. That's why we had WoodStrock. He did start several games for the Browns later on in his career, but couldn't cut it as a full timer there either.
Many people have commented on how few times they faced each other. Because of the way the NFL used to do the scheduling, this was the only time the two teams played each other between 1976 and 1997. Once in 21 years. www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/miami-dolphins/teamvsteam?opp=10
Probably the reason Denver and Miami met only twice during that time, is because back then scheduling was based on where a team finished in their division of their conference the previous year to determined whom they would play the next season. There where 3 divisions in each conference 2 of them had five teams in the divisions and 2 divisions had 4 teams in the division. If a team finished first in the division they would be matched up with the other 1st and 4th place finishers in the other divisions of their conference. If a team was in a 4 team division they would play the 5th place team once from each division. And the 1st place finishers would play teams 1 thru 4 in the division of opposite conference. (example: teams 1 thru 4 of NFC East vs. Teams 1 thru 4 from the AFC East). Match-ups of AFC vs. NFC were done on a rotational basis every 3 years. If a team finished 2nd in the division of their conference, they'd be matched up with the 2nd and 3rd place finishers in the conference. As well as playing teams 1 thru 4 in the opposite conference. If a team finished 4th in the division they'd be matched up with 1st and 4th place finishers in the division of the conference and teams 1 thru 4 in the opposite conference. If a team finished fifth in the five team division of the conference they'd play the other 5th place finishers in the division of the conference twice and would play the teams in a 4 team division of the conference. The 5th place finishers would also play the other 5th place finishers in the opposite conference. That format has changed since expansion, realignment and going from 3 divisions to 4. Scheduling is now done on rotational basis. Meaning within the conference they rotate every 3 years. AFC vs. NFC they rotate every 4 years. With the exception of 2 games is based on where your team finished in the division.
Let's give credit where credit is due. Marino went against the 49ers who were an outstanding team with a great coaching staff, and the Bills had a four year run where they were damn good. Bruce Smith, Darrell Tally, etc. It's no shame losing to either of those teams. The timing just wasn't right.
If he had a better defense back in the 80s and 90s he definitely would have gotten a Super Bowl victory. Put him on the 49ers back then he would have been piling up the trophies. One of the greatest quarterbacks I've ever seen in my lifetime.
Very strange quirks in the schedule back before 2002. These teams are from the same conference but played only one time over a 23 year stretch (1975-1998.) This was that one game.
Yes. He probably wouldve won 3 in a row in those mid 80s when Marino was in his prime and otherworldly. I've never seen a better QB in my life, past or present
They did play again Monday night football 98 season. Dolphins won again 31-21. Then Denver in 99 in the playoffs vs a Dolphin team that sucked other than Marino. The greatest passer ever Marino vs possibly the most athletic QB in Elway. Too bad they didn't meet more often.
So refreshing to hear announcers concentrating on the actual game as opposed to yammering about literally anything except what's happening right in front of them.
Yes, but the Killer Bees were at the tail end when Marino came aboard and that's the only reason he made to one Super Bowl in 17 years. Again, he only had top flight defense his first couple years and never had a running game as a balanced attack.
Agreed....If he had the tools that a lot of these Super Bowl Teams have had in the past...No doubt about it, he'd have at least one ring. Wasn't meant to be and that sucks really bad.
Calvin Montague he was not a mediocre QB after '95. was he as good? no, but he still had a live arm with almost no weapons to throw to. he also was hancuffed by Jimmy Johnson strict audible restrictions. Despite this the dolphins still won a lot of games after 95 because of Marino
Not too mention FAR FAR Tougher and more Resilient than Dandy Dan as a kid growing up 20 minutes away from the old Mile High Stadium in Lakewood,Colorado John Elway was my childhood hero,no diss on Dan Marino though he was a great QB !!!
@@Ramblebar Marino started every (non-strike) Dolphins game for 9 years (1984 - 1992). 145 straight starts. In an era that did not protect the QB unlike today, that was a great record and better than all his peers. So Marino was pretty tough and played through injury. It smashed the previous continuous starts record but doesn't show in the record books as the stupid strike games in 1987 interrupted it.
22:50 imho bad penalty call, suspiciously late flag . Bronco DB D. Smith batted ball away with his hand from receiver first and then made incidental contact after. if it was anything prior it was just a touch on the back of wr Mark Clayton. watched it several times also in slo mo.
Im not sure marino and barry would have worked cuz even when there was a semblance of a running gm the min it started failing they went right back to the air and lets not forget marino had the green light to audible at the line,which he did a lot!!how many times did we see him pass the ball on 3rdand 1 or 2 ??dan had a little of that favre gun slinger in him,he loved to sling it all over the field,so im just not sure on the marino and barry thing??
Hey is this from VHS (obviously is most likely) My question is, how do you convert the games to RU-vid? I have some games I’d like to post like SB 13 and 14, and the 82 jets playoff game
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Tom Brady wouldn't last if he played in the NFL anytime from the mid 1970s to 1999. He wouldn't be able to take the punishment. Marino looks like a scrambler compared to Brady. Tommy was just a passing robot in the pocket, in the watered down, wussy rules NFL of the 2010s Brady is the most overrated qb of all time . Brady couldn't roll out run to left or right and pass. I've seen Marino do it many times, even running towards one sideline and throwing it diagonally across to other side of field on several occasions, and could complete passes with his feet off the ground. He had those little quick moves away from tacklers, release ball so quickly,powerful half throw downfield, 20 to 40 yds, get slammed to ground right after passing it but complete the pass . I've seen Marino throw running backwards and complete long passess.
Nope. they also faced off in '98 (Marino's final season). That game was all set up to have the Broncos coming into Miami on Monday night at 14-0 and be an '85 Bears situation all over again but Denver was upset the week before against the mediocre Giants.
Everyone talks about the rules today favoring the offense and assuming everything else remains the same, and the offense was at a disadvantage then. Today’s defense is heads and shoulders above any defense of theses classic days.. The coaching, the schemes, the players. In my opinion any top 10 defense today would match up with a top 3 defense then. I’m not suggesting Marino wouldn’t do well, he may have done better with a decent defense. But that doesn’t automatically give these guys the nod. Best to enjoy each generation for what they offer and forget trying to compare and assume those were the best of days and the good times are really over. All in my opinion, naturally.
The schemes have become more complicated out of necessity with the rules heavily favoring the offense. As for Marino, he would have done much better under the modern rules because he had the quickest release ever. The fact that receivers have more room to work with than ever and QBs are better protected under these rules, plays right into Maino's hands.
@@filthyswit I like Dan. But when you consider his stats against the quarterbacks/teams 'of HIS era' his record is pretty close to nada; .444% wins in the postseason, no championships and only one trip to the Super Bowl, leaves him pretty low on the totem pole. I don't know how that translates to him finishing with more wins in any other era.
@@chrisnnh Being much easier to throw the ball with modern rules would certainly give him more wins. As for more championships...that's up to the whole team. Same as it's ever been.
@@filthyswit The New Rules wouldn't make him a better quarterback, compared to all his peers who would also be affected by rules change. They'd still be .660% better than Dan. All things in context and equal. What would make him better would make everyone else better. And yes, it's still a TEAM sport - your argument would suggest that the rules that make it easier for the QB would make it easier for Dan and the Dolphins exclusively. Anyway, we'll never know for sure. Thanks for the feedback.
Im on my wifes youtube but ive allways sad if he would have had a good running back he colud have went all the way And if he could have played in this era he would kick all there ass,s lol good vedow
