1988 olympic TKD welter semi Jay Warwick (USA) vs Chung Kook-Hyun (KOR) 

Some dance looks even more powerful. 😂

Why not just fight for knockout and points be damned? Win by knockout is allowed

I fully agree with you!!

no then people would win because other people think they scored rather than actual scoring!!!!! what we need is harder type fighters not these pussys

@@mykulpierce If you knew a thing or 2 about the mechanics of fighting you would know that fighting for KO in TKD is impossible. It's like going for the home run in Baseball.

I've been watching TKD in the past few olympics and been so disappointed. I have to come back to these old clips to see how it used to be. I got my black belt in 1999, and TKD in the olympics today is unrecognizable.

yeah i think hyun had won 3-4 world championships before this. i started off in TKD (ITF style) in my early teens but moved on to boxing and a little judo. i recorded this video when it was on live. i have cousins who taught english in seoul and i wish i could visit there, someday. i will probably visit tokyo in a couple of years. hopefully the olympics in feb will go smoothly and they won't have any problems with their neighbor.

Yup. He dominated the 80's and won the WC's all in a row. No offense, but you needed WTF style. That's what people get confused with here in the states. The true, accepted style was WTF and it got muddled when it broke off into factions such as ITF and ATA. You could be ranked No.1 in ITF or ATA with a perfect fight record and yet, you'd never get even a invitation to try out for the Olympics. Definitely visit Seoul and the Kukkiwon if you have a chance. The heart and center of TKD is there.

yeah, i'm sure the politics hasn't gotten any friendlier, but the term TKD itself came from general choi hong hi in 1955, who later published the first TKD syllabus in english in '65 and founded the ITF in '66. the itf did not break off from the wtf. the itf existed long before the wtf and the ITF founder goes back to the early implementation of TKD in the korean military in the mid 1950's. here's just one example from that ITF line tkd-boston.com/about-grand-master-kim.html. i recorded this video when it was broadcast live at the seoul olympics, so before then there was no olympic TKD. i'm no TKD aficionado and am not pretending to be, but i was at least acquaintances with itf guys who fought in 1987 pan am games and tried out for '88 olympic team. i also had relatives in hapkido. in my humble opinion, they all had different things to offer and talented people in them. what turned me away was the retail aspect of TKD that was way more focused on corraling people into big classes of people punching from the saddle stance and paying fees for tests and crazy prices for gi's without much return on the investment for most students. again, there were some talented people and all styles have something to offer, but too many without any real ability to use any of those techniques even in the very limited sparring scenarios. from what i saw, the wtf sparring rules were even more constricting. yes, the emphasis was on great balance and kicking, and i can appreciate that to this day, but i quickly switched to boxing and judo and thai boxing because i enjoyed the less restricted full contact. i felt i could have spent years and thousands of dollars in TKD and never even known what techniques i could use in real free sparring scenarios against different styles. even mentioning boxing or grappling was like blasphemy to those people. mma wasn't around until the 90's and even then it was just a gracie system informercial. since then, it has evolved far beyond the gracies into a real combat sport of its own combining grappling and striking where you can quickly discover what works and what doesn't. of course every sport and art will have rules and limitations and what it offers the spirit and character is most important. i'm curious how everything will evolve in another 25 years from now and wonder if the holistic "do" structure of asian martial arts will survive. seasons greetings and keep kicking!

Exactly the same feelling. I loved the sport back then and have watched every one of the matches from the 88 Olympics over and over again. stopping at certain points to watch in slow motion and amazed of how smooth the entire Korean Team were. Hands down the best Team by far. The way the sport turned out now is such shame. Its hard to believe that they allowed it to be this way.Too Bad!!!

I am sorry, but your knowledge in this matter is inaccurate. As a former Vice President of the USTU (NGB at that time under the USOC), I would like to set the record straight: By U.S. Law [Amateur Sports Act of 1978], any American athlete can make their way to the Olympics in their sport. In TKD, "try-out invitations" did not exist for anyone, WTF or otherwise. In 1988, this was, and (basically) still is the four-step procedure for becoming an Olympian in Taekwondo in theUSA: 1. Any citizen was welcome to register as an athlete with the USTU. The requirements were filling our a short application and mailing it with $25 (at that time). 2. Once registered, they could then compete in their State's USTU sanctioned championship. Those who finished 1, 2 or 3 in their division, were eligible to enter the USTU's National Championship for that year. 3. At the annual National Championship, all who placed 3rd or better, plus two others who were "seeded" by another route (such as having made the team the previous year), were eligible to register for the annual US National TKD Team Trials. 4. Team Trials, typically held at the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, is a two-day, round-robin competition in which the best 6 in each weight and gender category compete head to head in Olympic (WTF) Style competition. The Winner of each division become the US TKD team member for that year. If it is an Olympic Games year, those winners become the US Olympic Taekwondo Team. For the record, some of our best TKD athletes had backgrounds in ATA, ITF, "Point Karate," Gung Fu and other martial arts. Naturally, training under WTF rules and among WTF-styled fighters was obviously advantageous, thus many of these fighters coming from other "styles" trained with WTF instructors and adapted to the system and rules. But the fact remains that no US Citizen was ever denied a shot at making the team each year since the USTU was formed in 1974. FYI, what was the USTU is now called USA Taekwondo or USAT, with their HQ at the USOTC. In making any given official US Team, everything depended on the individual's skill, ambition and the brains to find out how to become a USTU Member. For example, even a Shotokan Karate player could mail an application and (at the time) $25 bucks to USTU at the USOC HQ in Colorado, enabling them to take a shot at being an Olympic or World Champion. I hope you found this information useful.

I heard that! I thought he was done then. Best no hands fight i have ever seen.

No wonder quality has decreased so much if that was seen as a legend. Standard ROK soldiers in their eighties fight more intensely than that.

I’m here once again.

Bellevue Fine Art Repro you were lucky to train with someone like warwick. I’sure how one looks during sparring is really relative to how good the opponent is. I remember one of my instructors who taught our sparring class was really good. His kicks were really powerful, fast and knew many techniques. But when i saw him sparring in some competition, i was surprised to see him doing pretty much only some simple round house kicks and did lots of holdings. He looked like some very scared blue belt or something sparring against 2nd or 3 rd degree black belt. So, i’m sure, even though warwick looked pretty bad against CKH in this fight, in real life, he was very fast, strong and many others were afraid of sparring against him. He seemed pretty fast considering he is like 6 or 6’1” since it says CKH is 5’9”.

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Perfectly true! Greetings from Russia

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@@kevinbolt2780 No matter how much "fear" you try to instill to ur opponent it easily gets blocked by an emotionless "cut" kick on ur body...I am a licensed referee and I have officiated countless matches where sheer force simply doesnt work anymore. The more aggressive u kick the more u expose ur body to ur opponent. ...not unless if "you" are a blackbelt who spars with a white belt then i'd totally understand wat u mean by fear.

@Weghweh Hwewehwhe "touchkwondo" that term fits perfectly to the electronic tkd nowadays hehe

there was an international tournament called the US open that JR won twice around this time, and i think he was "grand champion" (best of all the divisions) of one of them. he was world class at this, then did some kickboxing in rhode island, and got BB's in no-gi grappling from eddie bravo and gi grappling from jj machado. JR is not just a talker. all must respect the legendary tien-li tornado kick of death, though. shtay alert!

@coelho sports & rec 😁Well said, Christo-Capone!!! I'm always impressed with your wealth of historical knowledge, including about JR. You actually knew this already, but I'll say it again: JR was in my home room daily; bench pressing 210 pounds, while he only weighed 120 pounds (in the NS wrestling team) Not to mention JR's other talents..

he still medaled and picked up an impressive career medal collection. faced the best and just wasn't his day this time out.

Also by the rules and no full contact sparring. That explains why the group of TKD guys failed to fight against smaller group of gym employees in Jiangsu mall earlier this month

I agree this is what ruined tkd giving it a bad reputation

when I was training TKD in 80s under one of the TKD founder, it's probably the glorious era. we should have our hands up with pride...sad to see it get ruined since Olympics.……，to date, I still keep my hands up with lots more striking techniques, it's Muaythai! No regret to switch to beautiful Thai combat art. it's lot more solid!

@@willianchanrockin3952 lol, that is equivalent to abandoning tkd and embraced muay thai

@@jayjay53313 not at all ! Muaythai rules!

Tae-Kwon-Do is not a combat sport. UFC and Green Berets alike say we are trained to kill. fake-kwon-do like in this video is severely limited.

@@coopersheldon394 Back in those days (I have no clue these days), they would teach Tang-Su-Do to the elite forces. TKD, in its true form, is a combat sport, just like any other martial art. With that said, today's "foot fencing" in terms of the ring rules is some BS (In this vid, the TKO kick was not a point because the guy lost his balance and fell down; today that kick results in points). But to meet any of these "foot fencing" black belts in a real fight....you better be UFC, Green Beret, Navy Seal, etc., or packin heat.

mismo por boxeo y muay thai y mma, pero en esto evento, habilidad de chung supero cualquier desventaja fisica para division welter

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@@CoelhoSports Nunca EN BOXEO IMPORTA LA POTENCIA DE LA GOMPEADA ASI QUE SI ERES MÁS LARGO PERO MÁS DELGADO, POCO IMPORTA CUANDO EL OTRO ES MÁS FUERTE QUE TU. En MMA lo largo es lo de menos cuando todo es en tierra y el más bajo tiene MÁS MASA MUSCULAR en TKD. La potencia no importa es un tablero electrónico donde miden impacto preciso Aqui tener piernas largas importa DEBERIAN UNIFICAR ESTATURAS Y YA

That kick is very easy to counter even when one is too tired too see it starting. I did it with pnemonia because I was angry at the time figuring that if work expects me back while I am still coughing blood from my lungs, I might as well train after work on the first day back too, so I caught it on video.

And the last time someone knew where we trained, they threw a brick at the window when the police officer was not currently watching our place. There is a reason one of my former instructors had to sneak out of underground mma tournaments after he won because people who were with the Brazilian-Jiu Jitsu, etc. fighters were illegally carrying assault rifles and shotguns to try and kill him on the way out after their best guys lost to him. But my other instructor knows plenty of ways to remain alive after his experiences in the rat holes of Vietnam. A lot of them were concealed carry over in the States which quickly dropped the argument of "what if someone has a gun"? But they said it is most definitely best as well as common sense to avoid non-military firearms fights at all costs, the same with street fights. Most are clueless over how much paperwork can be involved with those even if one is clearly defending themself. Avoid street fights as much as you possilbly can at _all_ times: "to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men." When people ask then why we train in hand-to-hand, it is also written: "A Psalm of David. Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:" So fighting for showbusiness or spectacle: a sin. Fighting for actual Military Training and Discipline: good in the sight of the LORD. _That_ is the difference.

rip?!?! i thought he was still a WTF chair...

this version of tkd has been an olympic sport for over 3 decades now. itf version used to, and may still, have punches to the head and different chest guards, which of course necessitated keeping the elbows in and hands up. blocking and avoiding only high kicks is a completely different game, though. if you've paid attention to this version of the sport at all, you would have noticed the trade-off they are going for. this isn't thai boxing and people interested in this are seeking something different: lots of fast high kicks and freakish balance.

?? the fight is over at the end of the video. the korean who landed the wheel kick to the head won.

Hi

Yo shi kya ji da tae kwon do neun Did I romanize that correctly my korean friend? Hehe Im learning Hangul right now and i find ur language very interesting. Daebak!

people who fight in real life get arrested, stabbed, clubbed, shot, kicked in head when on the ground by several guys at once, thumbed, head butted, never wear a gi, never step on a scale to make sure they're in the same weight division, and there is never a referee, so no. this is an olympic sport and not real criminal activity. hope that helps.

@@CoelhoSports mma isn't a criminal activity

@@diegovasquez7610 mma is not real life. it's a sport.

@@CoelhoSports An sport that is way more realistic than taekwondo if you compare it to a "real fight". If you fight in a "real fight" like in the video you're dead, even if there's not weapons or more people. If you use mma or other style like wrestling, boxing, bjj, muay thai, amomg others, you have more posibilities to win

​@@diegovasquez7610 your thoughts on what is real fighting and how to "win" it don't matter and your replies serve no purpose here. no sport is real fighting. i'm not even talking about light infantry or artillery or airstrikes. if you think mma is real fighting or close to it, you are vulnerable to putting yourself in positions where none of the things you think matter are going to help you. your train of thought is dangerous in the adult world, even against drunken untrained barfighters. the thing that will keep you out of the ER and court and jail, more than anything, is social and situational awareness and judgement. there are many other things that will help you avoid harm long before unarmed striking and grappling skills have any chance of helping you. your fate will probably be decided before that, and there are many examples all over youtube of people overconfident in mma competition experience, or simple mma training, thinking it is "real", getting badly hurt and killed when the real world gets ugly. spend a little time working in an ER and you will rethink everything. lets be honest, this talk of "real fighting" is self flattery at the expense of others and it doesn't belong here. the internet is big and you can lecture on what you know of real world fighting elsewhere. both of these guys have been very successful outside of their sport as adult men in civil society (the highest priority) and deserve respect. the way they live their lives is the best example of how adults should approach life and fighting.

зачем смотреть видео, которые вы знаете, что это не понравится? это как сказать что мне не нравится гавлушки, а потом есть больше.

@Your Name Here any top 15 flyweight would destroy this guy in mma or kickboxing

Exactly. I'm not a Taekwondo practitioner, but I was invovled with MA for many decades and I remember how TKD was in the late 80s and 1990s. This line "old school taekwondo was better" is pure bullshit and I remember it well.

@@Ricardo-mr3bg really because the gold medal olympic match sucked

@@oyo1violin The problem with TKD is inherent to the art, not with a specific period of time.