Here's that thing I was on about. If you can decode it, then you're smarter than I am! www.simscale.com/forum/t/1990s-formula-car-high-and-low-noses-comparison/82704
This. Helmets used to matter. I saw a headline talking about Ricciardo's "iconic" helmet from this year's Australian GP. It was a typical auction special that will never be seen again. How is that "iconic?" By the same token, the last race I saw in 2014 was when Vettel was still running different helmets every race. For this particular race , his was almost identical to Ricciardo's. I could barely differentiate the two RBR drivers all weekend from the great seats I had. I never had any issue identifying anyone at races I'd attended in previous decades because everyone's helmets truly were "iconic." In fact, I remember it was a semi-big deal when Lauda changed his helmet to white in his comeback year and then switched back to red. Drivers just stuck with their designs because it was like their faces when in their cars.
Senna, Mansell, Hakkinen, Coulthard, Hill, Montoya, Villeneuve, Stewart, Massa, Schumacher (Both Michael & Ralf), Hunt, Button and Patrese are helmet designs that immediately spring to mind and helmets that I can picture immediately. A lot of the modern helmet deigns the current drivers use are not only too busy like you said but they don't even stand out all that much either. Helmet's are almost a part of a driver's identity, or at least they should be anyway.
"I'll probably do it once the play button arrives" As far as i'm aware the play buttons have to be applied for, this sort of loophole might attract the attention of the scrutineers! Sometimes when you say that air is a fluid, people think you've said that air is a liquid!
The rudimentary DRS system of 1992 and 1993 by using the active suspension, was nuts! Especially in AMS2 you can clearly see the suspension moving when activating/deactivating the system.
after Reiza added the HI-TECH's I went back and watched a bunch of onboards from 1993, you can see the drivers engaging the drs in some interesting places.
Loved the GPM reference. I loved breaking into team HQ's to steal tech, running illegal driver aids and fighting the FIA in court in GPM2. Don't think any F1 manager game has or will get close.
This channel should have many more subs. Didntt realize it was under 100k till you said something. Your channel is well worthy of a million and it will get there. This story videos are amazing.
the ferrari 126 c2 also experimented with a wingless front at the 1982 San Marino grand prix as well as the imola grand prix, driven by Gilles Villeneuve . They also had the double rear wing at long beach that year, crazy times
That Schumacher crash at Abu Dhabi was horrendous. Its one of those crashes that should get referenced more when people explain why the halo came to be.
To complement this video it would be interesting to see you do a similar one about the noses being used in CART during the same time period, with the whisker flaps and the lack of a true high post nose.
Thank you for explaining the reasoning behind raised noses. I’ve always wanted to know the benefit of the raised nose. Even though the Tryell 019 didn’t work, it still was a beautiful car.
Excellent, cheers 👍 You should check out the high nose McLaren tried testing in 1990... Looks absolutely gopping, but interesting none the less! I'm looking forward to the MP4/8 vid, one of my favourite cars 👍
In the early 80's, it wasn't so much that some teams wanted to run without a front wing, rather they were forced to run without it. The long ground effect tunnels, especially those of '81 and '82 had moved the CP (center of pressure or "center of downforce", if you wish) quite far forwards. As a result, when teams started to reduce the AoA (angle of attack) of the rear wing, in order to reduce drag, that moved the CP even further forwards to a point where if a front wing was run, the car would be unbalanced from an aero perspective. So, the only solution was to remove the front wing and adjust the aero balance with the rear wing instead. We should remember that the purpose of a front wing is not just downforce. The tip vortices, even then would've had an impact on tire squirt, so even though the removal of the front wing allows for more mass flow to the tunnels, it will also allow more of the front tyre wake to be swallowed up, thus reducing the tunnels' efficiency and predictability (different characteristics at high yaw angles and large steering inputs).
@@thethirdman225 So, with a front wing, right in the path of free stream flow, the same amount of flow (in units of mass) enters the tunnels every second, but only dirtier? That's not how it works. No, with a front wing in front of the tunnels, the "mass-flow" (mass of air particles per unit of time) will be lower, as the front wing will not only take energy out of the flow (slow its mass), but will also route a lot of it towards the sides and top of the sidepods.
Love the GPM2 references! What a game. And yes, the Forti scenario was plenty of poles and very little in the way of results. That game almost needs a vid in itself for nostalgia sake!
Right now there is an early access game on Steam called "Openwheel Manager 2" which is quite obviously designed to be a modern take on GPM2 and Grand Prix World. They even stuck to a 1996 season as the default. It's still in early beta, but it'll have full modding support and looks already very promising.
@@AidanMillward Quite an interesting game this, that still has an active modding scene to this very day. When I wrote a season editor for it back in the day, I hadn't quite expected that people would still use it over 25 years later 😆
Great video! Thanks for including the model visualisation for accessibility. Some folks like me have aphantasia so struggle with visualising things that are described.
My favourite cars were the early 90's, low nose cars. This is kind of ironic because I quit watching F1 from 1989 to 1995, although I would occasionally tune in just to see the tall airboxes, hear the nornamlly aspirated engines, and listen to Murray and James. Started watching F1 around 1981, by the way, the year Alonso was born.
For many years you're a normal guy thinking normal thoughts, knowledge is there. Congratulations for the 100k. Keep your feet on the ground. That's nowadays something special. So.....
You would do very well as a podcaster. You’ve got the right tone and accent. I (and many other Americans) actually prefer someone with a British accent talk about F1, rather than someone with my hokey Minnesotan accent. Great videos. I think there is a wider audience for this kind of stuff.
Tyrrell were the first team to go large with the raised noses, but if memory serves, didn't March play about with some 'slightly raised' noses just prior to this? Who was the designer for March back in the day?? Some kid called Adrian Newey? What ever happened to him...
Between F1 and Champcar, I'm having a hard time determining if the turn of the century was a golden age for single seater esthetics, or if I'm just turning into one of those nostalgic old men who think everything was better in their youth.
I love it. Great content again and again 😀😀 Can you do a video about McLaren from 1993 season in near future? I would be grateful. And yes those 90's cars look pretty amazing 🤞🤞
You forgot the original car with no front or rear wings and that was the Lotus 80. Colin Chapman took ground effects to the limit with the 80, and it never worked. Mario Andretti would defend his World Championship running the Lotus 79 from the year before. I saw the 79 being run at Long Beach, my first F1 race to attend, and the field outperformed it to no end. That right there was really the beginning of the downfall of Lotus, they never regained any kind of grandeur again.
*_"You forgot the original car with no front or rear wings and that was the Lotus 80. Colin Chapman took ground effects to the limit with the 80, and it never worked."_* This is not exactly accurate. The object of the Lotus 80 was to fully integrate the rear wing with the side pods, combined with nose profiled to work separately with small skirts. Part of the theory was that the upper deck of the car was as important as the under tray (it is but it rarely rates a mention). The rear wing was intended to work as a sort of trim tab. The car was way too sensitive, especially in pitch. *_"That right there was really the beginning of the downfall of Lotus, they never regained any kind of grandeur again."_* I agree, it was a step too far and Lotus never recovered. That kind of aeronautical technique wasn't really successful until the Jaguar XJR9 almost ten years later.
It mainly makes me think of the F1 cars in our Gran Turismo 3, the Polyphony 001, which you more or less showed and the 002, which you did show, both at 9:15! Even back when I first got into those cars, I could tell the 001, actually the Williams FW18 in that game, felt more than merely advanced, if you get my meaning, than the 002 which was the MP4/4 there! They were both phenominally fast, don't get me wrong and both made me reconsider how I was driving in the game (and both could destroy both the Nissan R390 and that damned Toyota GT-One (the Mazda 787B never seems to feature in any events), those being the next three cars after the F1 cars)! And then I learned the Japanese kept another four for their version... But then, Gran Turismo 4 came along and they made their OWN Formula Race Car, the Formula Gran Turismo, which is NOT an F1 car, cuz it doesn't fall under any F1 regulations and it's a beast! Now, of course, we have the Ferraris from the early 00s in 7 and the Super Formula cars, not to mention the Red Bull X series, which basically jus laugh at physics! Oh, yeah, there's also an old Honda F1 car on there as well! You drive all these cars, it really shows how Formula 1 has changed over the years, though, not as much as other games will, but you get an idea! There are more Le Mans Prototypes and Group C cars present, though!
As a WW2 nerd it drives me insane that no one looked at WW2 tech for F1 cars. Reclining the seat also has the benifit of making blood flow better to the head and not pool at the feet and vise versa. Not to mention all the aero stuff they still ignore. Fritz bomb for example would help someone im sure.
Ferrari and Brabham also ran no front wings, as did Renault, Ligier in 1980-1982 at various times. When they did, they were very rudimentary control wings for balance primarily. At certian rounds, one car might run them and one might not.
What do you mean you HAD fun with GPM? I still play it! Modders have added every season to it since. Admittedly it has some limitations.. Interesting video as always. Cheers. Enjoy the Suzuka weekend.
Air is fluid. It's not a liquid but it is fluid. A fluid is simply a substance that has no fixed shape and yields easily to external pressure; a gas or a liquid. The confusion comes from people constantly using the word fluid when they mean liquid.
I'm hoping all the old catchphrases make an appearance. The lovely catastrofuck is criminally underused. Add in some wrestling themes just slightly too loud at the start too.
That being run in to the ground almost immediately is the reason I ran away from it. Someone commented it on a Zansho social media post introducing the team members 😅
@@BvG_Venom which is also the same reason I’ve been putting off Moreno for so long. It was funny for a while but after that it became like the “I didn’t do it” episode from the Simpsons.
When you were talking about the dildo nose and the "other accident", I was trying to imagine who. Then you said "Maldonado". Nuff said. Great video, and an excellent companion to the Tyrrell video. There are a few names people always mention when it comes to design and innovation, and I think Ken gets left out. Sure, he employed designers, but he _needed_ to understand the concept before letting them spend a penny (literally, not metaphorically). I think he should be, again literally, on the same step (or at most one underneath) Chapman.
I often wonder of you handed 2024 Newey the rule book from the 80s - early 90s what would he design based on 20-30 years of experience and extra tools to explain and validate his 6th sense about air flow Also not seeing the link to the guy who tested the various nose designs. Based on my comment above just assume im the idiot and cant follow instructions properly
That's a shout, and is basically what most us diehards wish to see in modern F1, though ofc it'll never happen, just fantasy. I mean imagine what could be cooked up with today's engineering knowledge, but not having to worry about completing a GP on 1 tank of fuel, nor having to worry about overzealous safety regulations weighing the cars down, and being able to do whatever you want with regards to engine configuration knowing you basically have unlimited engines per season. I imagine engine wise it'd end up being some ridiculous 900cc 22,000RPM 3/4-cylinder turbo 'superbike engine on steroids' with a very small and light MGU-K putting out about 800hp. Then you can add double blown diffusers, f-ducts, 3rd pedal, the works. Would probably cause drivers to black-out when driven only 80% to the limit.
@@solitaryclusterofneurons598 Absolutely You could argue the 94 cars were peak F1 in terms of electronics, 08 peak aero, Maybe 1980s or 2004 peak Engine. A lot of the rules have often been in response to developments as they happen be it for safety or to reign in performance. With how simple front wings were back then to apply 20 years of knowledge to get a wing sculpting the air to a double diffuser....is that even possible lol.
The Webber crash was also the result of problem that afflicts racing cars to this day: aerodynamic divergence. This a major design flaw that should send shivers up the spine of any responsible aeronautical engineer. In the 55+ years of racing cars with wings, _there has never been any attempt to make racing cars aerodynamically stable._ This, despite several deaths that have resulted from these kinds of crashes.
The story as I heard it, goes ... that Ron Dennis just happened to turn up when Tyrrell was testing their first version of the nose. Apparently they just about needed a Jack to lift Rons jaw off the ground. He knew right then and there it was a game changer and knew it would take some time to get their own working version. Ahh Tyrrell, god I miss them. The plucky little team from the woodyard that could pull some amazing things out of their ass at times.
Slightly off topic but since you brought it up... There are 4 degrees of separation between me and Tom Cruise, but only 3 between me and Jamie Foxx. I had a friend one time who worked as a social worker in Ireland. She was born in Louisiana but lived a lot of her life in LA and earlier in her career she worked with people who have down syndrome, one of which was the sister of actor Jamie Foxx, who did a movie with Tom Cruise.
