1992 Karate Matches AND 1981 Wing Chun Matches 

Those Wing Chun fights reminds me of those early American Kickboxing (well, full contact karate at first) matches in the 70's.

I saw the banner on the karate fight briefly pop up. Enshin Karate is based on Kyokushin and the Sabaki Challenge is Kyokushin with throws.

“At least this one allows punches to the face” Yes, you may have noticed the _gloves_

Wing Chin guy: I will maintain Centreline and immovable elbow so that I take the most direct approach with my punches which will reach my opponent before his looping punches reach me. Also wing Chun guy: screw it, I'm gonna spam wild haymakers

The Wing Chun footage looks like the inter system fights that took place at The Melbourne town hall (Australia) where a William Cheung and other schools used to get together for a punch up.

Interesting fights. Thanks for posting.

Thanks for the sharing these videos. Would like to see breakdowns of your personal sparring videos in future.

Love you channel man. So glad I found it early this year or so. I don’t know why but I don’t have video of any of my fights. It didn’t occur to me and so many were last minute. No face striking was ridiculous. Even competing at 16 or 17 I felt stupid for even having to do those at smaller events. Sanshou was the most common full contact we came across. (Now called Sanda or Sandou?) along with Shoot. I was mostly active late 90’s and into the early 2000’s. Did my share of point fighting though I was never into it. Did it for the studio when younger. Felt too Karate Kid… :) Trained from 8 to 24 or so 4-5 days a week and taught for years.broke my back and that was that. Snowboarding… I was born a few year too early before the real fun began. This really shows how good high definition video is now too. Lol. I love all the variety and vids you find. Thanks so much! - P

Rick Spain was full contact kung fu world champion in the early 80's (if that's even a thing). He has owned and run a wing chun school in Sydney since at least the 90's and it's still operating today. It's expanded to teaching/combining bjj and kickboxing as well.

I know you have to draw the line somewhere, but I feel like punches to the face is necessary to be able to fight well

You're not meant to stay at trapping range for entended periods of time. It's about learning to have more control in the transitions other arts seek to skip with risky timing. It's for getting the better grip or striking position while going in or out. It's even useful while fighting for grips or short strikes on the ground against or from the guard.

I quit caffeine for a month as a challenge. now I have a normal intake, only some days and only in the morning. It helped to take decaffeinated tea. You can do this. Unrelated note, I've quit tabacco, its been lmost two weeks and I think the worst has passed but the cravings... Thanks for the uploads. You got this!

The Red Pants Guy is definitely my favorite one 😄.

I've never seen any Wing Chun competition before watching this video. It really looks like kickboxing

My favourite thing about the sabaki challenge was that you can win by knocking out your opponent with an illegal blow because it only deducts you a certain ammount of points and if you cannot continue the guy with more points wins. Also you the tie breakers were the coolest thing ever, they should bring back brick breaking.

That shirtless guy was NOT doing Wing Chun. He was street brawling lol

LOVED the spinning backfists, heck yeah

Fully agree with you. Trapping range does not really exist. It's basically handfighting in the pocket. You can use it momentarily to set up strikes or your following grappling, but it's not like you are about to chi sao or tui shou the **ck out of someone. If you do that you open yourself up for countermeassures and that's what so many people that haven't properly sparred with their style don't get.

Thanks for sharing, Jerry! I may be incorrect, but the ref at the end looks like Barry Pang, a recognized wing Chun instructor in Australia. Fun fact, his son was the actor that played the groom in Crazy Rich Asians.

love sabaki style mixing kyokushin and throws

Rusty Gray, Sil Lum and WC instructor, out of Nashville was the Kuo Shu, bare knuckle Lei Tai champion from 1989-1992. Bare knuckle Kung fu fights. All strikes allowed, and throws. Brutal matches. Good stuff before the advent of MMA.

This is definitely a Kyokushin-ryu base with the addition of throws. This is the closest they can get to testing their skill in combat without the inevitable soft tissue damage from face punches.

Those were great spinning back fists that landed

Tu risa es lo mejor 😂

damn we had similar rules in full contact karate back when i was doing Kyokushin karate. No head punches, but you could knock people out with kicks. The thing with those Kyokushin tournaments, they often were "open tournaments" so as long as you respected the rules you could participate, like one year this kung fu school had students take part, and they didn't do very well, and later, years after i stopped doing it, i heard that there was a team from beijing who took part in one of the open tournaments and most of these guys were from sanda, and they did very well

That’s great

it would be nice of you to see a good match of Karate Combat, just because it is probably the newest embodiment of "pure martial art" tournament.

Martial Arts is a game that looks like a fight. You don’t have to beat up your opponent. You just have to wine the game.

7:28 Yes this was the best match. Always enjoy these old promotions and fight rules. Especially when these guys are going at it full force while trying to stay within the awkward rules

Just because a guy throws up a jong Sao and a wu sao doesn't mean he knows how to use it, he immediately left the structure and started throwing haymakers 😂

The hands and Stance of the guy in Blue corner reminds me of Ryo from King of Fighters.🤣

My sensei fought in that enshin tournament back in 92

The rules are changing in the sabaki challenge and therefore Enshin Karate. From Mike Ninomiya (son of the founder): “Full-contact hand strikes to the body and head while standing are permitted. Punches and knees to the head are prohibited. Grabbing (one side of the body) while standing for up to three seconds is allowed. Ground fighting is allowed after a fighter goes down as long as the takedown, throw or sweep is legal. No striking is permitted while on the ground. A fight is won by knockout, submission or points.” I hope this helps. :-)

Dude I had a bad headache this morning too lol, first thing I did after letting my dog out was get Tylenol at the store

sabaki challenge/enshin rules is similar to kyokushin (bare knuckle, no punches to the head) but with grabs allowed. idk the specifics of the scoring though

Is that Rick Spain in the black in the second Wing Chun fight? Says "R. Spain" but I'm not sure.

The first one was clearly Kiyokushin, but I don’t think that the second one was actually Wing-Tsun tournament; rather some general full contact Kung-fu championship.

Were you eating while recording? Or do you make irritating noises by default?

Is Red trousers the karate master?

Keep it up with no coffee it's worth it!

If you noticed that the Sabaki Challenge fighters were NOT wearing gloves. As in Bare knuckle. Mas Oyama Sosai, founder of Kyokushin (who would have destroyed Bruce Lee in a Fight) due to the amount of cuts and blood baths in fights decided to exclude face punches to the face in tournaments. It doesn't mean that we don't in the Dojo. Look a Semmy Schilt 4xK-1 champion for one. Notice that the Wing Chun fighters are wearing Gloves.......

When you see someone taking a swing to throw a punch ,that is not Wing Chun

If it like bare knuckle boxing,they will mainly avoid punching the face to reduce the risk of them breaking their own fingers and wrist

as they dont use gloves punching the head could cripple them as the bone there is hard. british boxing had been the same historically

U can see trapping in mma matches but only like maximum 2 direct motions like pull & punch/lock & punch seem to work.

Yeah the Sabaki challenge followed Kyokushin rules, but allowed for single arm throws

The problem with the wing chun fights is that the fighters are not using wing chun. They could have trained in a kickboxing gym and the result would be the same.

Wing Chun is not for tournaments of any kind, only for street.

Something to consider. If the Wing Chun fighters were bare handed, it would change how they fought.

Can we and how suggest videos ?

i think full contact means no glove or protection maybe? as on wingchun matches they did wear gloves tho

Red pants: All other moves are just the set-up of my swinging-back fist Ultimate. Then, they work.

Elbow not allowed ? What else is not allowed knees?

its quite common not to punch the face but allow kicks in traditional arts, its much easier to punch people in the face compared to kicking them, yes kicks are more powerful but most people could throw several punches before managing a kick

Imagine the damage to the head and face if punched by fists without gloves

I thought Wing Chun has throws, but I never see them in competitions.

No clue vs no chill , i won't stop laughing

I have to say it again: check some of the videos of Karate Bushido channel, you'll find some great vids about wing chun vs mma, spoiler the mma guy of the channel is a former Pride fighter

I think the lack of punching to the face in Kyokushin karate is due to the fact that it's bare knuckle fighting and punching to the face bare knuckle cause serious cuts and bleeding as well as resulting in broken fingers... I could be wrong though but for me that makes a lot of sense because it even exists in bare knuckle boxing, I think the difference is that they are allowed to, just that they don't do it much because of said broken finger problem

The second half was better but also I wonder if half of the fighters were kickboxers more than Wing Chun practitioners. "Sloppy" or more like flailing and wavey isn't necessarily a bad thing in a fight, it does't matter as much as some purists make it out to be or can even if a conscious choice in style be a source of hard to read confusion for the opponent. Telegraphing is detrimental of course but the two aren't necessarily linked. Applying pressure is also a cause of the waveyness and pressure is going to make things difficult for the opponent. I still think, despite all we've seen that Wing Chun done right does work, if trained right and combined with some other Arts. But you can't have a glass jaw, you have to be able to take a punch, or many to set up the situations where it works. In the video there is even a chain punch done, so it can be done under pressure. It doesn't result in a knockout but it does create pushback. This is true for Aikido or Judo as well that I trained (among other things) and is't a jab at Wing Chun that it needs to be combined with other arts. Every art does. The greatest trouble they, or basically all single discipline fighters get in is when they meet an MMA fighter who knows more than one, even parts of many.

kyokushin: no punch to the face for safety also kyokushin: Rolling thunder? hell yes!

Dude, Kyokushin and the other styles like Ashihara, Enshin and Yoshukai do not compare their rulesets to Kickboxing. The main reason punches to the face are not allowed in Kyokushin-like rulesets: They do not wear gloves. Bareknuckle and punching to the face means that you sooner or later mess up your face and your hands, only having a short career. But when fighters from Kyokushin-based styles train for Kickboxing, they are doing fine. Don't forget that the Kickboxing ruleset of "K1" which is used nowadays for most Kickboxing-Fights, was invented by a Kyokushin/Seidokaikan-Karateka, that also "Dutch Kicboxing" as a "style" was heavily based on Kyokushin.

Enshin is an off shoot of Kyokushin, so it makes some sense that the rules would be similar

How could you not call out that Ken landed the Tatsumaki Senpukyaku when Red Pants landed the spin kick?

Oyama didn't allow punches yo the face because they couldn't get the style sanctiined unless they wore gloves. So he decided not to allow punches to the face to keep it a barehand martial art.

You're wrong about trapping. It goes *with* elbows, grappling, and takedowns as well as boxing counters.

well, way back before UFC and MMA. when everyone skills levels was like those from streetbeefs. Wing chun had the chance to beat up someone and claim some bragging rights

People are so used to punches to the face from boxing. Nut watch real bareknuckle from the turn-of-the-century and you will see ungloved face strikes cause much damage to hands and face. Interestingly, the Sabaki Challenge you show here was won by Patrick Smith a contestant in UFC 2.

Wingchun stance SwingFu Technique 😂

Imagine having hand strikes to the head with no gloves on (too much face damage plus bare hand damage) which brings the question: have you ever "really" fought anyone yourself?

So you think full contact is only real contact if you allow punches to the face? Go and do a Kyokushin class. Please.

If WC clinches should not be broken up. They have fight inside. That is how trapping works. Otherwise is boxing.

Also please do more Enshin. There are way better fights with better takedowns. Check out Enshin Karate Shiga channel.

Red pants got kinda awful technique but bro got the rigth mindset 😂

But it's a nice sport a little bit fighting

Are these fighters watching what the other fighter is doing? They look like two robots fighting

The wing chun becomes dirty boxing

Also gloves does not help wing chun fighters since wing chun does use grappling and gloves does not allow grappling.

I dont see wing chun on this video...

4:55 trapping works if done correctly. You cant watch unskilled people then have an assumption about a martial art.

Hooks, uppercuts and round kicks…Wing Chun???😂

About the lack of punches to the head, they might be trying to save their hands, landing knuckle-on-bone with no wraps is extremely painful at best

Kyokushin, Enshin, and Ashihara, are all similar.

It's not Kyokushin it's Enshin.

wat wing chun

muay thai is so much advance during this era of striking

Trapping can help with clinch

Enshin rules.

Thank you guys for this funny video. These Wing Chun Fighters have no idea of Wing Chun at all..!! No proper stances, guards, punches...nothing what they do in the ring, resembles any kind of Wing Chun, horrible. These guys are bloody rookies and they don't know what they are doing, no fighting experience at all, there is not a shimmer of Wing Chun as an martial art, it's just another silly streetfight between two bloody teenagers imo. A good Boxer or Kickboxer with some experience would clubber their head off in 30 seconds man. The Kyokushin fights with their awesome throws are way more better then these Wing Chun fights....:). On the other hand, if these so called Wing Chun lads in this video had a fight with those Kyokushin Fighters, oh bro, K.O. in the first round for the Karate guys. They are way better than these young Kung Fu rookies. To see such kind of video, yeah, that would be amusing.....

How to win wing chun competitions: don’t use wing chun

I'm kinda disheartened when the people with sloppier technique wins... especially wing chun cuz that's what I practice.

In the Wing chun matches i see too much uppercuts , hooks and circular kicks. Seems more a kickboxing match

Are you kidding me? It's not Wing Chun. Really? Do you think those guys have any idea about Wing Chun?

The fun thing about kyokushin is theyre so proud of that rigorous hard body training they do and at the end of the day cant fight any better than someone that does point karate

"Wing Chun" looks a lot like two completely untrained guys in a street fight.

This is what Bruce Lee was saying , why does this not count ? In a real fight everything count.too many rules that don't make sense.

Authentic Wing Chun don't use head kicks....not even close, this is not WT or WC

Every real martial art fight I've seen that isn't MMA or boxing starts off like the movies but ends up looking like 2 little girls smacking each other with flailing arms that aren't causing any damage

It's ashihara vs kyokushin not wingchun

They have limited movements ....relying on referee for crises