I was referring to a specific point where you find the radius in a bend tightening up on you where some gentle rear brake can be very useful, as opposed to habitually applying the brakes in a turn which I would never advocate. Rather than get bogged down with semantics, smooth transitions, standard throttle and braking is surely the key to good road riding. Have to agree with you on modern tyres. We certainly are lucky to have the suspension and tyres that we have these days.
Can you imagine the millions Honda invested in this wonderfully innovative sophisticated long needed safety system? Can you imagine the research and development involved? The experts inside and outside the company who trialled and refined this gorgeous mechanical solution to make bikes so much more accessible and safer? The worst mods that amateurs can do are those which affect braking and handling. You should put a disclaimer on your videos stating clearly that you have ZERO expertise in motorcycle braking technology, and ZERO expertise as a professional rider. You don't even explain why you take this rash decision to fart about with a motorcycle braking system that was the pinnacle of motorcycle engineering when it was manufactured. And don't keep deleting comments that aren't patting you on the back, maybe some other died in the wool pseudo rossis's will chip in and berate me
the linked brakes in the vfr are the only downfall of the bike, when riding a motorbike the front and rear brakes do drastically different things, so for safety, they should not be linked together
Dunno if you've tried the linked brakes in corners before removing them, but the argument about braking mid corner is mostly bogus. You really need to step on the back hard to make the front do any kind of meaningful work. Remember the back only actuates 1 out of 6 front pistons, on only one disc. So if you "trail the back brake just a little bit" it's perfectly fine. Honda does bikes for a living, they designed it pretty well for cases like this. My CBF 600 has the same configuration and I've never had any problems with mid corner rear brake application. That said I'm not stomping on it, but from what you're saying, you're not either. Not hating or anything, I think you did a good job in the circumstances - the system is a mess of brake lines and sorting an old one is both costly and time consuming. Just pointing out some of the reasoning might not be 100% correct. Also dunno about your VFR, but my CBF does actually have a fair share of hard brake lines and braided hoses from factory, so the system holds up pretty well over time. There isn't much conventional rubber hose in there that can wear out or perish.
Thanks for taking the time to make a full reply. And I suppose we can debate the linked system til the sun goes down. I'm not rubbishing the system at all, far from it, and for pillion carrying it's superb. A specific set of circumstances is where my point is aimed, this being deep in a turn, closed throttle and needing to drag some rear to make it round. Any front brake is the very last thing you need in that circumstance. I have to say though, that if you are habitually braking mid or during the turn you are headed for a spill for sure.
Hi, replied to another video and then noticed you did other ones too. My 2p's worth is that if you're deep in a turn with a closed throttle, never mind braking you're in the wrong gear whatever speed you're doing- my throttle is always at something other than closed when turning, in fact pretty much anytime apart from when I'm braking in a straight line, then my throttle is closed.
@@markschultze wrong gear? The world isn't a closed race track. You may encounter a sudden obstacle or poor road surface and close the throttle. For example a steep down hill with loose gravel while turning, the last thing I would want is any front brake even if it is one piston and one rotor. The linked system is a great idea but without abs I believe it can be dangerous in certain situations. Also if you are a real pro at the track (not me so could be 100% wrong) I do not see it working out too well when you back it in.
Id be doing the same as you getting shot of that cbs. Congrats on going against the grain. Also the rear can come round on you brakinghard on the front into a turn, eg on a track!
Here bc my '98 is exhibiting the 'rear brake drags due to center piston after bleeding' and it's 2022 and parts no longer reasonably found :| Please Do reply if there's a thing I should try before I delink! ~I read manual says 'don't disassemble the SMC!' - but. that's where internet says my problem surely is... willing t give something a go before I start. Cheers! 98 VFR800in Hawaii
Hello Hawaii! Couple of things first… SMC? I am being lazy and not looking at my manuals. ‘internet says’ be careful who you listen to. Have you bled the system properly, including the sequence and lifting the front left caliper. Don’t shy away from removing the rear caliper, stripping it and looking at replacing seals.
Did you change the voltage regulator cause I'm looking at purchasing one and can't decide between a $50 and a $200 voltage regulator. Did you spend a lot on the one you used to replace the standard one?
Mark, a closed throttle entering a turn is not necessarily indicative of being in the wrong gear. The transition from off the brakes, restoring front to rear balance, stand rolling into the turn is on a closed throttle. Then crack the throttle, giving a rearward bias, and keep rolling on.. I can't recommend Twist of the Wrist highly enough and that technique is standard Kieth Code. It works on road and track...unless you are skilled enough to trail brake deep into the turn...maintains front to rear balance.
You wrote 'closed throttle deep in a turn' below, that's a lot different to entering a turn with the throttle closed and then accelerating out, classic slow in/fast out etc which is essentially what you're describing above. Btw, trail braking is as much about the size of your bollocks as it is the skill level required, applying the brakes in turn makes you tense up and make you and the bike want to sit up and go straight and it's overcoming that natural reflex that is almost part of our fight or flight response that is part of it. Once you've done it a few times it becomes easier and easier, modern tyres can cope with it compared to older tyres.
I won't trash you for drinking brakes, on the contrary I commend you!!! My opinion it this if you ride then it is you that should be riding not some electronic safety system. These" systems" not only take skills and responsibilities from the rider they prohibit said rider from excelling over time and going from a rider to a true motorcyclist. Abs, traction, and power settings should have never been put on bikes as they give a false sense of security and hamper development of a skill set that only comes over time. And still they crash WITH rider aids you need go no further than these newbies and their crash o rams videos on you tube.. Well keep the rubber down and never sell the VFR.
Garbage comment. This is an analogue mechanical solution. The last best engineered solution before microprocessors took over. You really have no idea with all due respect....
Tragic mod to this all time classic bike. Why why oh why oh why? This was Honda at it's finest before the accountants and EU Nazis made all bikes the same. I note my previous comments on this sacrilege were deleted, and If this comment goes the same way, hey Ho. But please please please explain YOUR rationale for messing about with the most fundamental safety feature on this masterpiece of a bike. And don't quote other traditionalists, tell us why YOU did this butchery and how you found the end result. Hopefully I don't get deleted again.
I didn’t delete your comments and of course you’re perfectly entitled to make them, pious and pompous though they are to me when using words such as butchery., tragic and sacrilege. Everything I did was carefully considered and executed to achieve a conventional and stock Honda looking bike. Many people have looked at it and not even realised the difference. Good yes, finest I think not. Reg/recs are a real Achilles heel as is the suspension and sheer weight of the thing. The finest to me are RC30, RC45, RC51, NC30 and the old racing sixes. I achieved a conventional braking system with more feel, comparable power and way easier to bleed and maintain. Less cluttered also. I’ve ridden and worked on bikes for 40 years. I’ve built my own race and track bikes and work in a friends Ducati dealership so I think I’ve earned the right to say I know what I’m about. I did something and shared it in the spirit of RU-vid. If you have an issue with that it’s your issue and not mine and quite frankly I don’t know why you’re getting yours knickers in a twist about a mass produced middle weight sports tourer.
