Just for the sake of accuracy in reporting, I saw my neighbor Lou from my bathroom window, ran down to my backyard while calling 911, told Lou I was going to get him help, and ran screaming through the neighborhood knocking on doors of residents that I know are year round. I just kept screaming HELP US until Frank & his employee, working on his new construction at the end of Key Largo Court came running asking me what's wrong. I told him the situation & that I has an extension ladder. Frank got the ladder and I grabbed our sledgehammer & axe. My neighbor John and the 2 other guys through up the ladder, smashed out the railing posts, and brought Lou to safety. Joan, his wife, came out through the front door. Lou never actually yelled or screamed. He was kind of moaning in distress. I heard & saw him trapped on that balcony. He must have been in shock. A wonderful group of human beings worked together through everything and saved our beloved neighbor.
Wow that’s an amazing story man !! God bless you guys !! I love stories like that , everyday guys just going about there day and then suddenly there risking there lives for a fellow neighbor!! It’s Truly beautiful to see men come together to save a life 🙏🏼🙏🏼 Ya know you never hear the media report on stories of the beauty in felllow mankind !! The media only report on the horrible and sick things done by people they never mention acts of courage and bravery done by everyday people !! God is great 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Amen to these heroes !!!
Hey Jeff if I contact the APP would you be interested in helping me get these guys together to do a story on there heroism ? Id be happy to contact my friend at the APP to do the story ! If so send me your contact
Big thank you to the workers nearby who heard the resident on the balcony and grabbed a ladder to get him down to safety! All family and friends are very grateful for you!
*Greetings colleague! Good video! I am a firefighter from Russia and I have a question, why does only one fighter extinguish? why are there no more additional barrels? why does extinguishing happen from the outside when the fire is inside? Why not go inside as a link and blacken it there?*
I've been seeing this same thing on all of the volunteer videos. They all just want to go right to "putting the wet stuff on the red stuff" instead of protecting exposures when the ofb is basically already a loss.
@@Caterpillar955 ok so knowing of the water supply issue, right away chief should put a tender task force order in and request mutual aid for man power and an engine. First on scene, engine or 4k gallon tanker/pumper as mine was (either of those two should be first in, nothing else). Tanker lays a line possible two if it's a tanker/pumper for exposure protection immediately. Ofb is a loss right from arrival assessment. Once the chauffeur charges the line/lines thefirst arriving engine lays another line for a back up or to initiate an exterior attack or if equipped fire up the deck cannon, then helps set up the pools and siphon. Then fills the pool and searches for a refill source. Next arrival (water supply) dumps the tank and makes contact either with command about the location of the fill site or directly with the previous tanker. From there on tanker round is in operation. Command should be made aware of how far from the scene the fill site is, about how many gpm of water is moving in fire ground operations (exposure protection and fire suppression, make a decision regarding the possible need for additional engines, the need for aerial operations then make adjustments needed to keep a constant flow of water. However, if there are hydrants, well no explanation needed. Chief in command immediately puts in for a second alarm and either the chief or first arrival makes an initial assessment. If first arrival is the chief, he/she establishes a central command post. First in engine and or truck drop a line or two if capable immediately on to exposures... NOT the ofb exposures first. Chauffeur charges the line or lines for immediate exposure protection, again ofb is a loss exposures first and if capable to operate handlines and a deck cannon fire the cannon up to the ofb...and full fire ground operations are started. Immediately after confirming all ground operations are working properly, the chauffeur immediately goes to the nearest hydrant if it wasn't tapped on the way in which is dependent on manpower and what other apparatus are responding which the first arriving chief should know because of a pre-planned alarm system and again make adjustments needed. Everything else goes the same obviously except for tanker operations. First arriving chief or could be an officer sets up command From here on everyone reports to the IC. If additional chiefs show up, as command send them one to each side of the dwelling so as they are able to report back to command progress and the who, what, where, when, and how. So with ALL of that said (too much explanation sorry) even without hydrants the exposures should come first and with proper tanker round operations thru a preplan and training a consistent water supply should be set up quickly. Either way initial operations should and could start quickly.
@@rjrestorationstation4402 not all departments run that was for instance my department depending on eta is second in we go attack first and second in pulls supply but as we see there is some serious training that needs to happen with this department and I hope they find the time/funds to do it so something like this doesn’t happen again
@@itiswhatitis1306 The paid department that I retired from, that was the SOP. First due, drop a five inch supply line. Second due may not make it there, (wreck, mechanical issues) Assure you’ve got water and begin attack.
Occasionally, you come across a fire video that immediately highlights an obvious lack of leadership in tactics and co-ordination. Not securing a supply line from the outset is unforgivable - it could cost lives. An aggressive attack from within, rather than having a single line from outside, would have rapidly extinguished the main part of the fire. Lots of room for training WITHIN that F.D.
I doubt there is a comment I could agree with more than this. Nailed it. As a long time firefighter myself, I was screaming from the moment the video started about getting inside. DO NOT wait for supply, but also do not get too far in that you cant back out if unable to secure a positive water source. They could have probably stopped all of what happens with less than a full tank of water...I will hush now.
Absolutely correct. This fire called for an offensive attack from within. That is where the main body of fire was. Way too much time was wasted by going defensive from the start, especially when the water supply was limited.
While I totally agree with you in NJ 2 in 2 out. They look like they didn’t have the manpower. Rough days to run a volunteer crew. Windy day. From my chair I’m grateful I didn’t have to run that job. Would have been 2 and 1 first due another 2 n 1 backing up and mopping up in minutes in a career town but not everyone gets that service.
@@Mark-em5zm So your dept you just go to the fire and watch it burn with your Tank drained PiZZing into the wind?? Our dept 1 st would pull hydrant On the way in!! I.ve even grabbed the main line as the truck rolled in, 1 man can do it!!!!!!!!!!! OMG Train train train!!!
@@danyoung5346 dude I was being sarcastic. You on A shift? Edit: I am at a very busy and aggressive station in my city. We pride ourselves in taking care of everything ourselves before the next due companies arrive. This video would have gotten us written up and a form 23 by our chief. And most likely night drills on holidays.
Wow, lots of interesting things to take away from this fire. I totally get the wind, and I totally get manpower (however, it seems to be reasonably available here). But the water supply issue… please. This is NOT an area without hydrants. There are two hydrants on the approach to this address (the house is located on a peninsula). A forward lay from either hydrant would’ve been possible on a single 1,200’ hose bed. Additionally, it’s a PENINSULA. And from google maps, I can see at least two places within about 400’ where a pumper could’ve easily accessed the bay and drafted. The water supply problem was inexcusable. Tactics… aside from failing to forward lay for a positive water supply to a known working fire, tactics seem lacking. The initial line failed to go interior. I know it’s a lightweight modern home, but the initial hose line team didn’t even have SCBA. The chiefs are simply walking back and forth pretending to listen to the radio. Two chiefs present and neither knows who’s next to arrive. Zero command presence. Deployment of large diameter water lines VERY late (arguably due to the failure of establishing a water supply. Defend it if you want. I’ve seen the jersey shore towns fight fire before, and SSH is notorious. Very poorly prepared, staffed, and equipped department for the amount of high value housing stock you protect. Take from cues from OCNJ and get yourselves together.
Not taking a hydrant is an excuse not to go in and set up your tower ladder. Just like not putting your Scott on and having to go back to the rig and get it it’s an excuse for not going into an interior fire. There are lots of ways that fakers avoid going in to do interior fire fighting. It should be pointed out and these people should be exposed
It also a wind fed fire. There is nothing wrong with transitional attacks. So tired of hearing interior shit. Knock fire down. The public only wants to see us put water in the fire. These are the fires that kill. We are our own worst enemy. There was a video from FDNY a little while ago. The whole ass end of the house was on fire through multiple levels and “aggressive” interior attacks didn’t do shit and spread to another house. There was also a VES in which he came bailing out smoking. We need Chief Dunn to write a book of the importance of putting water on the fire.
I’m inclined to agree with you. The chiefs not giving orders and the chiefs not knowing who is 2nd due is silly, and at least being ready to make the push would have set these guys up for success. The water supply issue is inexcusable.
Took a drive past this house today. Hydrant 400’ away, the bay 200’ away. Smoke showing (clearly) and the first engine didn’t drop a supply line. I mean one of the 20 chiefs could have charged the line. Even without hydrants they could have drafted from the bay a 1/2 block away. Sad for the homeowner.
I would have Definitely dropped a Supply line Wrapped the Hydrant told them to go made the Connection and had water flowing and would have Prevented that big Fire Ball.... The Chief and First due should have Known Better
I watched one like this about 4 years ago, they were tankering in water but kept running out, the fire spread to two adjacent properties, the guy filming got behind the properties eventually and would you believe it whilst they were tankering in water there was a lake about 40 feet from the back of the houses.
Agreed. The training staff and leadership at this department needs to be fired. This is one of the worst departments I’ve seen. Can’t believe the house next door didn’t burn down too. I would be embarrassed to show this video.
@@ronbradley5631 You wield a mighty BarcaLounger. The world patiently waited for your assessment, you struggled upright, ripped off a few farts and delivered!
One constant that i see in ALOT of these videos is water supply issues, whether it being the 1st in rig dumps it tank and then waits for a positive water source or just a long time to get water. Is that because of an initial manpower / staffing issues or are hydrants in these areas far and few between ? -
I agree, I read in another comment that it was around a quarter mile stretch from the hydrant, but that doesn’t mean nothing else can get done until the water supply was established. There were several people not doing much of anything and none of them had any sense of urgency. They could have been stretching dry lines so they were ready to go when the supply was finally secured. They could have been throwing ladders, caching tools, and wait for it…. packing up. I get that they are volunteers, but that doesn’t negate the need for a good training program. It is safe to assume that they were trying to “stretch” their tank water as far as they could so that’s why they deployed the small hand line, that or it’s what they always use so it was muscle memory, regardless even on tank water a 2 1/2 would have been more effective. Sure it’ll drain the tank faster but the BTU absorption would have bought time. There are several videos on RU-vid that illustrate this point. One single 2 1/2” line can put a lot of fire out in 45-60 seconds. Chief officers should have been able to recognize that much more could have been getting done during the early stages of this fire and made the appropriate tactical changes. Even if they have a policy to not go interior until a water supply is established, a 2 1/2” line on the outside would have been a better choice.
We don’t spend time filming, we focus our efforts on training and putting fires out. You can’t get upset if a video is posted and people critique it. There were some inadequacies in this video, if you could swallow some pride and listen to some of the feedback, then apply it, perhaps those inadequacies would be fewer next time. Every department has bad days, every department loses buildings. I’ve had a 25 year career captain deploy too small of a line on a fire and two houses were lost as a result. But, after every incident we have we do an AAR and we accept responsibility for our mess ups, we don’t deflect, then we train and we don’t do them again. We don’t need to post videos in efforts to look heroic then sit back and get told what we did wrong. We tell ourselves. That’s what makes a professional department. Just because you’re in a volunteer department doesn’t mean you can’t be a professional department. The community you serve deserves that whether there are served by volunteers or career firefighters. I get it, it’s hard to get quality training in a volunteer department, I started out as one myself. But the only way to get better is to make training a priority. I don’t believe my first post was hyper critical, I even tried to express the benefit of the doubt about making entry and line selection. But what I said about people not having urgency and not setting themselves up for success when a supply was established is irrevocably true. A 2 1/2” line would have also bought time… it wouldn’t have put the fire out, but it would have knocked a big chunk of it out.
@@davidrossman7925 - I'm not a fireman so there's no "pride" to worry about. Why not film some of your training and have someone film actual fires for training. If nothing else, you could at least stop being a dick.
@@jerseyshorefireresponse come on JSF you cannot sarcastically respond like this. You received an F for total failure. Watch a ICS fire service trained in tactics and strategy. No water supply, white helmets walking in circles, (no command post set up) one hose line on the fire. Where were the ladders to hit the 2nd floor? Glad you have the video to watch the joke. At least you can confirm how the fire grows and spreads when the fire is allow too.
@@jerseyshorefireresponse sorry didn’t know, hopefully some chiefs, training staff or whatever governmental jurisdictional board will read. I’m sorry for this homeowner, the citizens within this fire protection response area. They deserve a 21st Century professionally trained fire deportment. Their equipment is notable.
great video for future trainings... just an FYI, when you go to fires. please please make sure to check your area! the fire is pushing towards the 2 side exposure. the power lines are right there.. god forbid those came down, you are right in its path! protect yourself brotha! stay safe! keep your eyes open
This fire was in Toms River, the 2 first apparatus were mutuL aid from Seaside Heights(ladder and engine). They did not secure water on the way in and began defensive operations(no interior). 3rd piece was a ladder from Toms River East Dover company; which set up their stick before the wires so as to also be able to protect the left exposure if the house next to it caught. That truck crew went to work pulling the already stretched exterior lines and began interior operations. By the time the 3rd due ladder was up, water had still not been secured, it wasnt until the 4th, 5th, or 6th pieced in that water was secured. Multiple issues but you can from the video who is capable and who can the job. Hopefully this gets pinned because it should shed some light on the situation. *Edit: another issue is that the mutual aid company is on county dispatch and TR units are on their own dispatch. It is hard to establish command after things are already screwed up and certain companies/depts are less aggressive than others
Just love it when all the “White” helmets stand around looking important. All clean turnout gear. Never saw a training manual put out a fire. Had one guy on my crew tell the training officer that was over looking the scene, hey Dep. throw your training manual at it. Maybe it’ll go out!
This was pathetic. As most fire videos on RU-vid are. I’m shocked at the incompetence and it’s surprising that any fires are put out at all with teams like this
This is down right stupid out of all the firemen we got out here only one dude fighting the fire at that point let it burn we got these clowns out here on an stand vacation.
I've been watching alot of these videos and I have heard gun shells going off, but not one smoke detector, not one. To the Firefighter who dosed the house next door, Kudos to You Sir, it didn't go unnoticed, again Kudos.
Why water supply wasn’t a priority is beyond me , and you bring more aerials which need the most water where is the pumpers for in line pumping or tenders ???
Let's stop and hope everyone is doing ok the paramedics and firemen deserve a lot of credit your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks great job great catches as usual keep them safe out there you guys rock thanks ! Joe
Base pumper blitz attack with tank only and asking or next engine to bring water happened about 20% of the time when I was working. It’s ok to do if you have the manpower and hydrants
I’m having trouble understanding why the water ran out. How close was the nearest hydrant? This was a terrible loss and I give credit to the fire fighters on scene for the job they did and for keeping it from spreading to the neighboring house. Anyone know how it started? Thankfully looks like no one was hurt.
In the UK, 2 trucks = 3600 litres of water, put water from pump 2 into pump 1 which should mean that the driver and crews have enough time to ship a hydrant before the appliance water runs out and they go to soft suction.
What's the number one problem you see here? 5:40 See the waves in the roof? That's OSB failing. OSB doesn't like flames or water but's it's cheaper than plywood. One of a dozen reasons you don't climb on the roof of a burning building.
you can operate on the roof of light weight construction, just have less time. but I can tell they never had any intention of doing vertical ventilation here as they didn’t go interior on arrival. By the time they did, fire was self venting.
Such a horrible fire to go thru. So glad they got help with saving the people that live there. God Bless all Fire Fighters, Police and EMT personnel that all worked together to put this fire out.
My name is Essam, a safety official from Egypt. I tell you that proper extinguishing of closed buildings is through windows, otherwise it will cause all neighboring buildings to burn.
@@retireeslife4013 Very possible but definitely poor preplanning. Could just be the people in charge. Not every one is cut out to be Chief even if the majority think you're a nice guy. In my area the dispatch center will give you the closest hydrant in relation to the address but that is due to excellent preplanning. As a Chief, one of my main thoughts when dispatched for a fire is; where is the water. Judging by the amount of fire, the first piece of apparatus should have been instructed to hit a hydrant on the way in unless there was another one on his ass and if there wasn't any leadership on scene, someone in that ladder truck should have known.
@@bp4170 While I don't know anyone who was involved I can say after 35 yrs doing this job you hit that one square on the head. To many " think" they know how to lead and fail horribly. Stay safe , train your guys and gals right and you will retire some day with a good conscience.
This fire could've been put out much quicker than it was and less damage to the house could've been spared if they had enough water supply. Who runs out of water in a situation like that smh. There is no excuse for it. The fire department should be held responsible for everything they lost and made to pay for everything thing that need to be restored and fixed . This should never happen to one. GOD BLESS THIS FAMILY AND PRAYERS ARE GOING UP FOR THEM .
Just a few points of interest for all the nay sayers in the comments. Though from the look of the video, I'm not certain of the IC's tactics or thinking but: 1. it is on a barrier island, and remote from the Mutual Aid assigned. They did call for help, early, and quick. it is nearly a 20 minute drive for the second ladder to get there. The reflex time for additional resources out there is terrible, and there is no way to change it unfortunately. 2. Water supply is often an issue, because some of these spots, have hydrants that are spaced very far apart. There are hose lays in some areas in these areas 3000+ feet. Often a supply engine is used to draft from the Bay, or from the lagoons that these homes are situated on. 3. Wind sucks in any fire condition. I think we can all agree on that. 4. Because of the remoteness of these homes at times, and the geography of which they sit, an IC has to consider not charging supply lines, and or delaying it in order to get additions trucks or engines in. Once that line is charged, it is nearly impossible to get additional resources into these tight areas. 5. The entire area is covered by all volunteer fire companies. Any of the arm chair commanders that have no concerns about their company's response at different times of the day, or remain steadfast that they don't have ANYTHING that they can make better, often end up here, finding themselves in the crossfire. Things can always be done differently, and whole heartedly believe that someone in these departments will use this as a good example of what can we do better.
1. This is why it should be necessary to have at least one 24/7 professional company on the main Island. It is utterly negligent for this moderate to high population density to rely on Volunteers who have at least a 20 minute response time. 2. The spacing of fire hydrants has nothing to do with the water supply volume. Also, there is no where in NJ with this population density that hydrants are 3000 feet apart. 3. Wind does suck during any structure fire. It really hampers fire suppression. However, the wind in this incident is nothing out of the ordinary. 4. This statement is completely false. One of the IC’s main concern with any fire should be establishing a primary watery supply regardless of the arrival of the other resources. Life safety, Incident stabilization, and property preservation are the concerns at every fire. If you don’t secure that primary water supply, it isn’t safe for the firefighters to complete a primary search or do an interior attack. With that said an interior attack on booster tank water would be appropriate for this scenario to slow down the fast progression of the fire wile waiting the arrival of additional resources. The Supply Line being charged has nothing to do with road access as it is supposed to be dropped at the side of the road anyways. If not possible the apparatus can straddle it. 5. This is true, but its sad and drastically jeopardizes many lives. Paid professionals need to be utilized in areas as secluded and dense this.
@@ryansmith3511 lol nice try, not disgruntled, love my JOB. Only thing I'm disgruntled is the volunteers devaluing my profession by doing it for free. (pretending to do it).
I think there is a lot of difference in how fires are fought in Europe than the US. Thankfully we have always fought fires (unless structure dangerous) by comitting BA crews with hosereels or jets in the main. That certainly is not meant to detract from these crews who work by the SOP given
@@adogsupreme1739 223 to the nearest hydrant. 845’ to the next. And the house is essentially on a peninsula and sits within 150’ of the intracoastal bay and infinite amounts of water. It’s poor tactics. Plain and simple.
So sad to see someone loose they're home. And that was a beautiful house. But I do love seeing the FireDex patch on the gear of the fire fighters. I retired from FireDex after 17 1/2 years. They make great gear.
@@jurgenkuhlmann9194 chances are, these are not professionals. They are volunteers. Some volunteers and volunteer fire departments are good. This one is horrible
@@johnabert1112 OK - it seems you know better than I, as you are closer to the scene. I'm sitting at my computer thousands of miles away, which makes it harder to judge upon the professionalism of the firefighters shot by someone else's camera! But firefighting - be it volunteers or professionals - rests on two pillars: equipment + training. When one of the two is below standard, you have horrible firefighting!
Where the hell was the water supply? If their truck has pumping capabilities (thus being a Quint), then they should most definitely carry LDH on the apparatus. This Department should cut down on their white helmet budget and start putting money into more black helmets because clearly they seem to lack the manpower to establish a water supply when that is genuinely one of the first priorities when arriving on a fire ground. Absolutely disgusting operation.
I am confuse was there a water supply prob? Shouldnt the first guy sprayed the inside instead of the outside ? You cant even see the fire from outside.. As a civilian most firefighter looks very relax and slow moving when it comes to attacking the fire. Often you see 1 person spraying while 5-6 others seems to be running around, not sure doing what?
They should have had at least one of those towers charged and spraying water when the fire was at it’s peak. Instead they wait till the fire is totally under control and then they run not one but two towers on that house literally flooding it out!! 😂
why did they stop putting water on the fire? this is the third video i watched and they quite putting water on the fire in all i watched. no other department does this.
Why the first fire truck that got to the scene waiting to put the fire out until the 2nd group of firefighters arrived? Was already a total loss?? I don't understand why they waited so long
@@blessedmwsmom you see all that protective gear they're wearing. Well that's to protect them while they're inside putting the fire out..not standing outside squirting water..
Small town firefighting, wow. They all thought I was crazy for wanting to go on a big city fire department. This however, looks much more dangerous due to the ineptitude on display here. But they’re trying. Stay safe🇺🇸
@@Machia52612 the chief called before if no one is inside they can't really save it. i work in a house in belmar that the neighbor's house burn down to the ground that they couldn't save.
@@420dude1814 looks like they arrived on seen of fire showing on exterior of house on division 2. They went in without a supply line, knocked down exterior fire by time footage started. They then flowed a fog nozzle for 1:30 minutes wide open before they possible ran out of water. ( so they had plenty of water to go interior). That handline was still charged so I’m not even sure they ran out of water .There was no smoke on first floor, you can actually see a firefighter walk out of front door without a helmet or mask on. Knock down the exterior and go inside and extinguish. They essentially hydraulically ventilated into the structure with the use of that handline
@Reginald (Reggie) Smith lol some of the fire departments. drive hell a fast there take their time setting the hoses by the time they set up whatever it was is either burnt to ashes or now fully engulfed in flame. kind a like the movies when the police show up after everything is all done.
At 2:17 the firefighter holding the nozzle seems to still have a charged hose but has stopped fighting the flames and is just staring at them instead. Tell me what's the reason for stopping. Union break or just got informed that it he doesn't get the jab he is going to lose his job?
Let’s build a house of highly flammable sticks, wrap it in paper and cover that with toxic fume billowing plastic. Oh, and for good measure, let’s cover the roof with a tar based felt. What could possibly go wrong?! Only in America are houses built so badly, and dangerously. Never ceases to amaze me.
If only people could get it through their heads that this newer lightweight/engineered lumber needs to be taken more seriously with regards to the risks over other materials, EVEN conventional lumber. "But it will raise the costs?!?!" some will argue with regards to using better materials, more fire proofing, etc... Bullshit, it'll raise the costs because the developers won't make as much of a margin as they like, they can't pull the wool over our eyes, we're not morons.
@@DanknDerpyGamer coming from the uk where the majority of homes are brick built, and commercial buildings are brick, steel and glass, that construction terrifies me. We have problems here where cladding has been retrofitted to buildings and the tragedy of the Grenfell Tower a few years ago, where many died, there is a concerted effort to make other similar buildings safe.
Not much left except portions of the garage, and the car. A sad day for the residents of that house. High marks to the local department and mutual aid, for saving the downwind structure. What caused the fire?
I have to respectfully disagree with you. I’ve read some of your other comments on this post and you clearly have a hatred of volunteer firefighters, or at least portray to have one. Some of the most dedicated, hardworking, and highly trained firefighters I know are all volunteers. And some of the laziest firefighters I’ve ever met have been career firefighters, the ones that are only in it for the paycheck. Paychecks don’t equate to good firefighters, consistent training in both new information as well as constant review of past practices is what makes for good firefighters. There is a lot wrong at this particular incident however that does not mean that all volunteer departments operate in the same manner.
@@ritirons2726 Youre right, for the most part I detest all volunteer Emergency services. Its a disservice to the citizens' well being as the volunteer model fails at providing optimal service existentially. Are there hard working, high skilled volunteers, yes of course. furthermore, are there lazy ass paid guys, of course. However, paychecks do equate to good firefighters because it doesnt matter how dedicated you are if you cant get to a fire in under 20 minutes. Lastly, if youre not part of a paid fire dept. you have no right to comment on it or its members, since you have no idea what youre talking about.
