2 Stroke Cylinder Honing Facts and How I do it

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2 Stroke Cylinder Honing Facts and How I do it
In this video...
- I explain what I've learned about 2 stroke honing
- Going over the tools needed to remove piston transfer
- Going over the different honing tools available
- Honing the cylinder
- Cleaning the cylinder
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@MichaelSabo 3 года назад

Thank you for watching my video; I hope this helps anyone that needs to hone their cylinder. Links are below! BRUSH RESEARCH MANUALS - info.brushresearch.com/downloa... Tools/Fluids Flex Hone (71-73mm) - amzn.to/2EiKFZe Brush Hone (63-76mm) - amzn.to/3ggYeWv Stone Hone (2-7inches) - amzn.to/3iQRNeq Bore Brush - amzn.to/2Yjo469 Muriatic Acid - amzn.to/34eaEvT Engine ICE - amzn.to/2FKUFvf Honing Oil - amzn.to/3hhTkK1 Red Scotch Brite Pads - amzn.to/2S5I4pD Milwaukee M12 Fuel Kit - amzn.to/3b9GXvL

@moose6536 3 года назад

Awesome video man, very educational. Keep up the great work.

@dawiebekker215 3 года назад

So glad to see she's running bro!!!!! Think you nailed the honing!!!!

@Bendover-ri5tx 3 года назад

Great to see it run again will we get another first ride soon ?

@MichaelSabo 3 года назад

@@Bendover-ri5tx yessir, it will be live at 6:15 PM ET Saturday!

@kurtnichols3720 3 года назад

Probably could of had a machine shop hone it for the cost it was for buying all the hones

@almightysanchez4565 3 года назад

I feel like people that take their time and research with an Open mind are a rare breed. Much love and respect 🖤💪🏿

@250rtrxjunkie 3 года назад

Indeed 🤙

@evanleonard1989 3 года назад

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@MichaelSabo 3 года назад

Thank you so much man 🤘

@Icallagitidur 3 года назад

@@250rtrxjunkie .q.q 1.ĺlĺĺĺ1

@talenrussell1395 3 года назад

He’s getting payed too

@betarider9392 3 года назад

Hey Michael! Great video. Thanks for the recognition. I must say I am impressed with the job you did removing the aluminum transfer from the cylinder wall. I'm even more impressed with the hone job. That cylinder looked great! You did exactly what you should have by rotating the hone in both directions. The brush hone that you tried was probably too large in diameter like you said, but you really don't need it. Trust me, that cylinder finish is great. If i had to nit pick anything, it would be to oscillate the drill a bit faster to get a little steeper angle on the crosshatch. It is still going to work great, I'm splitting hairs here. Sounded good when you ran it, just make sure you heat cycle the engine a few times to seat those new rings in that fresh bore. You have to find "too rich" and "too lean" with your carb jetting to know where "just right" is. This will take some time and effort. Shoot me a text or give me a call if i can assist in any way. Thanks again and God bless!

@FreedomInc 3 года назад

Thanks for giving him advise so he could relay it. I appreciate you

@just_in_time5518 3 года назад

Thanks Herb for spending all this time with Mike. You just didnt help him out you helped me out and prob a lot of others. Thank you very much sir! :)

@betarider9392 3 года назад

@@just_in_time5518 Glad to be able to help. You're welcome.

@betarider9392 3 года назад

@@FreedomInc Glad to help!

@ralphthedog1680 3 года назад

I too appreciate your expert advice that can be a help to many.

@breakwood8531 3 года назад

This was a blessing in disguise. Not only did you learn how to hone, doing a great job at it btw but giving us awesome content. Thanks brother.

@EuroTrashTV. 3 года назад

Michel sabo is such an inspiration! Just rebuilt my rm 85 top to bottom and she is a beast!

@GJGAMING5 3 года назад

I got abit upset thinking I wouldn’t hear it running in this video....them BAM like always mike stuck to his word and let us hear the heart beat once again😍

@MintyMotos 2 года назад

Just want to say I have rebuilt around 45 bikes in 2 years and have watched an outrageous amount of videos but this is by far the best one I've seen. I thought honing was way to much work and very "sketchy" but you just made me add this to my shop! Amazing video man!! Taking time and doing research and sharing with us. Appreciate it! Keep up the work!!

@kevindement7418 3 года назад

Nothing like the sound of a 2 stroke, big smile when it fired up. Waiting for the next video of cylinder reassembly. Great video Michael.

@baby-sharkgto4902 3 года назад

I've been building engines for 30 years and when I was a beginner and poor and didn't know any better I used the tripple stone hones. I would never use one now because everyone knows a ball hone is the real deal. I have never seen or heard of a brush hone until these last 2 videos. I really do enjoy your videos and especially your personality. Id rather hire a less experienced mechanic who's not too cool to ask questions than one who thinks he knows it all.

@cycletechperformance9581 2 года назад

@@jaysmokey Wrong!

@alessandromazzocchetti6060 Месяц назад

Use a ball hone only to deglaze the surface and to restore the cross hatch. Honing to size is a different thing and you gotta use the stones.

@arcticfragrances2454 2 месяца назад

Nice video. Thank you. Always a controversial topic. From my research I’ve read: With this product one is deglazing and cross hatching. Not officially “honing” …..not cutting down and increasing bore size. 1. How smooth or rough the cylinder wall required somewhat depends upon the material used in your piston ring. 2. Cast Iron piston rings (used years ago but can still be purchased) require a rough cylinder wall. Here you would use a rough grit (120) - Silicone Carbide (SC) Flex-Hone. This is considered rough grit. 3. Alloy Steel piston rings (this is today’s industry standard used in almost all top end kits) in a Cast Iron (sleeve) cylinder head recommends the use of (SC) Silicon Caribe Flex-Hone at 180 (Medium) Grit. 3. A Nikasil (Nickel Plated) Cylinder requires the use of an (AO) Aluminum Oxide Flex-Hone at 240 (Fine) Grit as recommended by BRM. From snowmobile experience, always a good idea to use higher end “forged” pistons. More expensive than cast pistons but worth it. 4. You can order specific piston rings from Hastings if desired. (Cast Iron, Alloy Steel, Stainless Steel) hastingspistonrings.com

@jeredalmeida1880 3 года назад

Your video production is looking very polished. Your content is thorough and educational. Nice work!

@thomasgronek6469 2 года назад

Thanks for the video For lack of anything else, I used a stone hone for master cyinders to deglaze a chainsaw cylinder, and used citronella oil for a lubricant, It took about 5 seconds, and resulted in a beautiful finish.

@hillonwheels8838 3 года назад

All I have ever used in my old 2t bikes was a ball hone. All I have ever heard about the stone hones is that they tend to leave groves in the cylinder where the ends of the stones contact the bore. Nice job and look forward to hearing the bike run again.

@andyb9994 3 года назад

Looks great fine job 👍. I've never used the muriatic acid and just ran the flex hone through the cylinder and used dawn dish soap then dried well and lubed and ran for years, never did blow up. But you always do great work. It's a sweet quad. I would enjoy working on, sounds awesome love that pipe.👍

@SNELLERIZED 3 года назад

I'm relieved to see that you took my advice and removed the transfer by hand before honing. The cylinder looks great. The only thing I would suggest is that you hone way less and then check your work. It generally does not take near that much honing to do the job. Looks great though!

@thebuck8758 3 года назад

I’ve watched this 3 different times and everytime I fall asleep and this is why I’m here for a 4th time goodnight boys

@just_in_time5518 3 года назад

Dude great video! Thanks for going into detail with these hones! Not alot of info out there video wise. I just used the ball hone ( flex hone) a month ago on my top end rebuild for my 1996 rm125. And it worked great! Sounds great again! Big thanks to Herb also for giving u all this info for us also! i learned a lot!

@DBC_Racing 3 года назад

The 9 dislikes must be the couple guys that were mad this process worked super well! LOL! Killer video again Mike. Cant wait to rip LS with you soon.

@andrewjackson6986 3 года назад

U never fail to keep me interested and waiting on the next episode keep up the good work brother cant wait to see u ripping this thing!!!!!

@madmechanix4962 2 года назад

Dude!! Exactly the video I needed I am tired of two-3 week waits from a machine shop.. I saved a couple cylinders just to test my theory

@jordanpanich 3 года назад

Nice work, Mike! I appreciate you sharing all of your research and knowledge!

@nastysoda9212 Год назад

Thank you! I have 2 YZ250's I'm redoing the top ends and was wondering if I should hone them or not. After watching your video I know exactly what to do, how and why. Perfect video!

@wortexinternational2598 11 месяцев назад

Followed the instructions and video to the dot and the result is a perfect cylinder wall, albeit with a huge scratch in it, so it will sold as core for sleeve. The rest however looks terrific with the cross hatch and no sign of piston aluminium. Thank you ! I feel that I learned a lot and more importantly have confidence now to tackle a job like this.

@Singh_1989 9 месяцев назад

Great information in this video! I am rebuilding a 1979 ts125 that I was going to use a stone hone on, and boy am I glad I decided to research before I jumped into it. Now I just need to find me some acid and a ball hone!

@supermairo1716 3 года назад

Awesome video great information I’ve honed out a cylinder of my own with a stone hone like yours and it worked great some people do say not to use it on a 2 stroke because of the ports and I agree with them I used my hone on a crf70 4 stroke because the cylinder was so worn out it made a noticeably big ridge in the cylinder so much you could feel it pretty good with your finger and all I did was buy a bigger piston and honed the cylinder out so the cylinder was even all the way around this was my first time ever trying something like this and the bike runs just fine no smoke and good compression i recommend just doing it on 4 strokes with this particular hone just to be safe and when doing 2 strokes do the same thing and get a ball hone you can use a ball on 4 strokes but they are more expensive just my own opinion

@LOGAN22 3 года назад

hell yeah!!! i cant wait to see riding videos with the 250r!!

@danielcastelow7523 3 года назад

Super glad you got that thing up and running bro great job on honing and cleaning the cylinder out bro I enjoyed watching love it 🤘🤘🖒🖒

@4thdimensiontravels855 Год назад

Man I LOVE it that you are using hot water and soap. The only way to truly removd the particles and debris within your cross hatch surface. Starting to love youf channel.

@woodcutter4481 3 года назад

I use the same ball Hone when repairing chainsaws. Your cylinder came out great. Maybe next time I will try the acid . I usually use sandpaper to remove the transfer. Nice video

@dyland6647 3 года назад

Hell yeah brother!! Man I love this 250 love the hole build cant wait to see it ripping again! Great job not rushing it

@gearedupkim9516 3 года назад

Great video!!👍 Thanks for all the step by step detailed info. I’ve been checking into the ball hone prior to this...after your video I feel very comfortable using this to hone my cylinders. Subbed to your channel because of this video.👍

@willbianco8931 3 года назад

Mike I love your videos some incredible builds and also mistakes but being so humble about it is very inspiring as always great video

@MichaelSabo 3 года назад

I appreciate the love and feedback bro!

@Junior-fd8ux 3 года назад

Great video, I really enjoyed seeing how far you take your homework on the projects that you're working on. Also respect that you don't have the i everything attitude when you know more than most people will ever know. If you have any horrible looking exhaust pipes that you have given up or plan on cleaning up some day give them a dip in that muriatic acid. It does quick work. PS thanks for the link on the hones for Nikasil cylinders. Iv been afraid to use the reg hone i use on my steel sleeves.. Great work

@josephparnell5020 5 месяцев назад

I've been getting ready to do my first engine rebuild. This video has been very helpful. Lots of good info thanks bro.

@Slane583 3 года назад

Nice job with the honing, she looks good as new. Getting to hear it run in the end was worth the days of waiting. As for me, I found out my truck has more problems than I thought. The mechanic I brought it to found some structural rot on the frame and wouldn't fix the fuel issue. It's just too unsafe to be on the road. It's a bummer, but the upside is I got a brand new truck coming to me. It had to be brought in from another dealer, so we'll be picking it up Monday. So it looks like the YZ will be napping for a while longer, getting to work is more important. I'm also quite excited, it may only be a lease, but this is my first new vehicle. Everything thing I've owned has been hand-me-downs that were on their last legs. :)

@PremixandPedals 2 года назад

I'm glad I stumbled upon your video! A lot of great information and presented very well! Thank you!

@haydene3802 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for this video! Currently rebuilding my first 2 stroke and this helped a lot

@joshuasmiley583 2 года назад

I've been trying to research myself for a little while, and you sir have a good video

@Dfour 3 года назад

Phenomenal job saving that cylinder 🤙🏼 this channel keeps getting better

@MichaelSabo 3 года назад

Thank you bro! 🤘

@eddiesheeran5791 3 года назад

That's a really great tech tip for cleaning aluminum out of cylinders, I hadn't heard of it before. The hissing noise is flammable hydrogen gas being released as the aluminum and hydrochloric acid react.

@joseamadomartinezjimenez7908 3 года назад

I really like your videos, I thank you for explaining what you are doing before hand especially because something very similar just happened to my polaris 400 2 stroke , thanks again and great job on 250r

@MichaelSabo 3 года назад

I appreciate the feedback man; thank you for watching my videos!

@jaimeheredia6738 3 года назад

Its nice to sit down after a long day of online homework and watch Michael work his magic.

@andeanrider6355 3 года назад

Great video. Learning , learning all the time. Thanks for sharing.

@ExticyOn2Wheels 3 года назад

Hell yeah! Glad shes back up and running

@alphapackoffroad 2 года назад

I Just got one for doing the rzr 800 build I'm currently doing on my channel. This helped me a lot.

@kevinproctor8743 11 месяцев назад

Hey a great video. I am familiar with honing 4 stoke large bore engines with flex hones. I wasn't aware that they could be used with 2 stroke inlet and exhaust ports. Clearly you can. Excellent information

@monster2269 3 года назад

Good job Michael. You have done some good research. Please mention Plateau Honing next time. Several good reference articles are available on the WEB. Thanks for covering this topic.

@allanjohnson2552 3 года назад

Thanks for doing research. I work mostly on large Diesel engines. I was quite amazed at the muriatic acid trick. I forsure thought-the cylinder was scrap.

@700rRaptorLife 3 года назад

im glad u got it back running man good job

@jimmadonna1436 3 года назад

Looking forward to seeing you riding it!

@ps.adv.9851 3 года назад

Very good info. Thanks Michael. The honing worked well. Cool 👌

@deucenine4life813 3 года назад

Can’t wait to see it up and running again

@miguelbarreiros1818 3 года назад

How can you have people disliking this videos.. Great job man...👍🍻

@gregorywilliams6219 Год назад

Thanks! I have been doing the research also. It has been very frustrating! Found your video, and now I know! Now I can finish my 1982 IT 250, but without the acid! lol

@JaySmith-kk6lh 3 года назад

Maybe someone already said this but a common practice I do is I use a stone hone but I wrap it with wet sanding paper and use WD-40 and that keeps the stones from walking into the ports works really good

@jamievalleau2242 7 месяцев назад

great video, thanks for sharing all of your hard work with us!

@270raptor 3 года назад

Awesome ! I have always used only a stone hone , but I will by a flex hone for my next build

@anthonymechling1434 3 года назад

Man!! That thing sounds so good. Nice work bro🤘...

@MrSimmoco Год назад

I know it's an old vid and there are way too many comments to check but the spiral hone from Wiseco is for 4 stroke cylinders 👍Great vid👍

@kenyonchugg7570 Год назад

This guy Probably shouldn't even be using a ball hone on a 2t. Interesting...

@Bidalotroxi 3 года назад

Been waiting for this video for a long time!!

@donniebaker5984 3 года назад

It doesn't hurt a thing to round out the edges of your ports ...if you don't keep a good chamfer on the ports ..the sharp edges will destroy a new set of piston rings in about a day ...there are specs for chamfering the ports in the Honda cr250r service manual . Also specs for the concave of the bridge port on the exhaust ....if it is too shallow ..it will burn the piston ring at that same spot

@braydenl1 3 года назад

He knows his stuff. Hell of a mechanic 🧰

@cycletechperformance9581 2 года назад

I use Flex hones almost daily in my shop and just for record the Flex hone used for Plated cylinders is a "Aluminum Oxide" compound instead of the usual "Silicon Carbide" compound used for cast iron and steel bores. Those Stone hones with the arms on it are trash and should be thrown in the trash where they belong. A real stone hone is a ridged hone and is whats used to final size a bore and keep it concentric and straight and is used in a machine(How its done in my shop and many other engine shops) and flooded with honing oil. Nice Video Mike and its good to educate and debonk some of the myths and misinformation that runs wild on the internet.

@ewa2929 3 года назад

Nice job.first time i did that was on a 85 ATC 250r.I was nervous as hell.

@braddurham145 3 года назад

Yeah thats how I honed mine thanks for sharing the motor sounds perfect great job

@chadriddle3517 3 года назад

First I wanna say badass shirt I just got mine a few weeks ago! I love it because I had the exact same quad that’s on the shirt ! 2nd killer video and thanks for all the great content man! Good job

@brandondixon4457 Год назад

@betarider still helping out with the solid info for the channel, used this video to rebuild my sons kx85 top end

@joev467 Месяц назад

Awesome!!!....extremely honest and informative video! Thank you

@TitaniummanGarage 3 года назад

Very informative video. I do a lot of honing on my polaris's. You confirmed some of the myths I have proven wrong too. I didn't know about the Muriatic acid. I will be giving that a try. Thanks.

@MichaelSabo 3 года назад

Thanks for the feedback! The Muriatic acid works amazingly well.

@chrisbilling 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing all this knowledge

@1970genes 3 года назад

Used the Flex hone on my YZ426 and older CR250...came out perfect.

@oceanschool 3 года назад

Did you happen to run a stock piston or did you need to measure for a new size after honing?

@robertreighard6102 3 года назад

I love watching your videos and with your flex gone we’ve used them on are cr500’s and I have my cylinder guy use them on my rm250’s and my kx500

@TheCumbiax 4 месяца назад

Amazing tools you have on USA, flex hone doesn’t exist in Argentina we gotta take our cylinder to the reboring shops everytime they scratch $$, this saves LIFES, keep it up!!

@rednecksdoitbetter491 3 года назад

Nice to see a video of the 250r getting worked on I’m thinking about putting a 250 motor on a racing lawnmower 😂 but anyways have a good one man

@robwinter3183 8 месяцев назад

Nice - thank you for sharing....I learned a lot.

@jacobfitzwater6957 3 года назад

Sounds killer dude. That 2 stroke pop could put me to sleep😂

@docsen9777 3 года назад

Great video... And awesome sound at the end 🤘🤘

@MichaelSabo 3 года назад

Thank you docsen9777!

@garygarnett6469 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing the Brush Search Company looks like an A one company I’ve been looking at company to buy from for awhile as I do quad Moto x and jet ski work 👍👍

@blessedinjax 2 года назад

Shout out to the goat herb! Mike I appreciate you doing your research and bringing us the facts I didn’t kno shit about honing a cylinder or why you would need to But not only do I know why but I also know how to Thx man really appreciate your videos and hope one day I’m in a position to work one some bikes Love your work bro

@jamesBGgarner 2 года назад

Awesome to see u get her running again

@cannedham3774 3 года назад

What a great video. Thanks and thanks Herb !!!!

@jefferybye2169 2 года назад

Another great educational video dude like always..🤘

@justinmather6165 5 месяцев назад

You can always count on this guy to give you solid information when your searching for some guidance

@christianmccollum1028 3 года назад

Thanks for the info. About to hone my 89 Honda-FL400R-Pilot's cylinder. Now I know which hone to buy.

@yogibear6432 2 года назад

A great video - wondering what grit flex hone you used? Seems about 320. Great result, exactly the job I need to do. Thanks.

@robertedwards6731 3 года назад

Nice work Mike!

@jasonbell1698 3 года назад

Cool to see you wearing one of Pete Hager’s shirts. top 2 atv youtuber’s 100%

@jerrybatianis9575 3 года назад

Very good informative content as always

@markrogers7044 3 года назад

Great Video!! Very informative. Kudos!!

@carlosonate4450 2 года назад

Very good video thanks for your patience

@jerrygaber6150 2 года назад

I was told to only run the flex hone clockwise, as it wants to come apart reversed. With ports, there is a need to go both directions. Knowing that it works in reverse and the acid trick makes me want to repair an old KX250 that's been sitting around 14 years. Thanks.

@leeroymccoy8303 Год назад

That's what I'm doing to my 2000 rm 250,she been sitting over 10yrs in the basement. Port value has anick above it,eat the last piston looks like a shark bite in the old piston. Watched another video think I can get away with just weld n copy exactly what he does in this video. Keeping my fingers crossed it works 💪, let's Ride! # Tha Real McCoy

@Jomama1993 3 года назад

I actually use some of that muriatic acid on my 1984 Yamaha YZ250 I was told by a servicing mechanic at action Motorsports that putting that muriatic acid in a spray bottle soaking down the cylinder let it sit for about 1 to 2 minutes and then use the red Scotch-Brite do it again and again until the aluminum is gone

@dennisbagatin4480 3 года назад

Nice job mike she sounds awesome cant wait for videos 👍🇨🇦

@codyweien4513 3 года назад

Dude awesome video, I've been doing the exact same reasearch for the last month on my sons kx80 swapped supermini cylinder, and ended up getting the exact same ball hone as you, wish youd made this video 4 days ago lol! Sub'd

@MichaelSabo 3 года назад

Ah man, well I'm glad it still worked out for you. Thank you for subscribing!