20 Cylinders ROAR! Conrail SD45-2's, SD50 battle up-hill in the Allegheny's... 10/15/1989

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We are between Altoona and Horse Shoe curve on the Pennsy mainline in the Allegheny's on a beautiful fall day. A west bound with three ex-Erie Lackawanna SD45-2 can be heard before they are seen. The 20 cylinders have a very distint deep sound as the roar west toward the top of the hill at Cresson. Then we se a three unit set of nearly new SD50's with the wheels squeeling as it slips slight into the curve up-grade. The third clip is an east bound dropping down grade in dynamic braking. VHS video was taken 10/15/1989.
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@BillP-kg1yp 3 года назад

I love the anticipation when you can hear those surging EMD's around the curve, but you can't see them yet.

@Hickler90 12 лет назад

What an awesome look back to something that will NEVER be replicated again in railroading in the US. Jack, too cool. I caught 2 NS "SD45-2s" leading a mainline train back in 2009 which was amazing in itself. But they no longer had 20 cylinders.. downgraded to the 16-645E..still great none the less but not like this. Thanks for posting this great catch of pure horsepower.

@josenevarez9674 5 лет назад

Those 45's drown everything else out. love it

@1jackdk 5 лет назад

They sound fantastic Jose. They just have that distinct deep sound. You just gotta love it.

@redbarnz 5 лет назад

Three thumbs up!!!!! When EMD ruled the rails!

@Cessna-er4je 4 года назад

Boy, you can here those beasts roaring for miles on that grade.

@1jackdk 4 года назад

They do sound good Axel... Sure do miss that sound.

@SantaFe19484 7 лет назад

Awesome video! This was recorded when I was five years old. My father took me to Horseshoe Curve when I was very young, but I'm not exactly sure when.

@unionpacifictrain 12 лет назад

Your videos are so awesome!!! Thanks for taking the time to upload all of these onto RU-vid!!

@bobgallo3775 2 года назад

Thanks for posting, an oldy but goodie.

@choirboyfromhell1 11 лет назад

The problem we've had with our 645E3 (and E7 modifieds with "eco" injectors) V20's in marine service is the spider cracking on the flywheels. That component EMD just didn't make strong enough. So with good maintenance, they'll last forever! We love them, but they do suck fuel. We've run them at about 825-840 RPM, on a slightly lower fuel rack setting, and that means about 3400 HP.

@Tom-xe9iq Год назад

Doesn't get any better than this!!

@LeeDfined 3 года назад

Grew up between two double tracked mainlines. CSX to the left and Conrail a few miles back. Believe it or not, I could tell if it was a Conrail or CSX by thr sound of the engines. I love CSX. But Conrail has a special place in my heart and can NEVER be replaced.

@tracynation239 5 лет назад

The SD-45 is the newest locomotive in my fleet. Hello from the Tracy Mountain Railway in Colorado. Excellent video. ♡ T.E.N.

@ConrailJon 11 лет назад

The third unit on the second train is actually an SD60, but man what a video!

@NSNorfolk 7 лет назад

Great video! Those 20 cylinder SD-45's have their own, unique sound.

@1jackdk 7 лет назад

They sure did! They sounded great. Thanks for watching...

@jeffreymcfadden9403 7 лет назад

these SD45-2s were on helper duty, as they would regularly do at horseshoe for many years. I caught them in pusher/helper service there in 1991. i got a shot with about 7-8 of them sitting ready for work. Also, at some point, CR re-engine them with 16 cyl.

@FrehleyFan3988 6 лет назад

Now there's making Railroad history there! I saw a Burlington northern boxcar!

@brimac70 12 лет назад

Jack, you have some great videos, I wish I had a video camera when I was younger to capture scenes like these, keep em comin!

@pittsfordredfox 10 лет назад

2:14, the best kind of train to be blocked by.

@paulquick8806 5 лет назад

Thank You that's the rugged rumble sound I grew up with on Erie main line🚂

@jstoli996c4s 4 года назад

Same here, I grew up just down the road in Silver Creek, NY. Conrail (now CSX) and Norfolk Southern both have main lines running running through there, and lived less than a half mile from them. That EMD thrumming was spectacular, I really miss it.

@redbarnz 11 лет назад

High-stepping beasts at work pulling the loads uphill with seemingly little effort.

@sneadfootball 12 лет назад

yet again, an amazing video!!! the awesome part about these recent videos is that its of areas i actually see every day! Keep em comin!

@tommythomason6187 6 лет назад

Both the SD45 and the SD50 were trouble prone locomotives, with some engineers remarking on the poor riding of the SD50. They DID put out some awesome horsepower; 3600 for the SD45, and later production SD50's put out a whopping 3800.

@kawasakiz76 6 лет назад

Very Nice! CSX has two of those Ex EL 45-2's at Tilford Yard in Atlanta.

@raritania7581 4 года назад

Do you by any chance know the numbers of those two?

@stretchlimo7275 3 года назад

Very cool video Jack, would’ve loved to hear an SD45 in person, I don’t think there’s any railroad around the Mon Valley that still has one, unless Wheeling & Lake Erie has some. Great video, thanks for posting👍🏼😎

@BigAlFPV17 12 лет назад

Awesome video!!!! Love to hear them come up the hill full power

@1jackdk 11 лет назад

Hope you never get enough! Just keep comin back for more. Later brother...

@1940limited 9 лет назад

Too bad it's not 4 tracks anymore, but I'm glad for what we do have.

@bradstrains 11 лет назад

Thanks for the info. I love the sound they make.

@FireCaptE9 12 лет назад

EMD 645s! The thunder of the railgods!!

@haroldalexis4200 3 года назад

Love these engines have models of them as well HO SCALE, EMD ruled then when GM built them. Awesome views!

@ableone7855 3 года назад

Excellent video!

@RailfanJunction 12 лет назад

Loving those 45-2s. Great video!

@xero925 11 лет назад

The old days of railroading, I miss seeing the conrail gp40 duel bring intermodal in portsmouth CSX intermodal during summer 1995...

@clockbuilderhg 11 лет назад

0:30, That's 100 cylinders on one train!

@panzercam 12 лет назад

Great video! Love those EMD's

@Mogadad1 12 лет назад

Thanks again Jack

@EasternRailVideos 10 лет назад

Actually top the mtn is Gallitzin Tunnels. Horseshoe Curve is steep 1.8% grade... Sad you wont find these Blue engines around. NS has 1700-1705 ex Erie Lackawanna's while CSX only has one (8886) rest were scrapped. I love living along the Pbgh Line, the sound of them engines roaring is the best ever.

@KyleVideoDesigns 12 лет назад

Great clip! I love the ex-EL SD45s.

@LumityCanon4131 12 лет назад

Conrail Madness along the Allegheny sweet catches Jack. Michael Scott

@houstonrailfanTX 10 лет назад

In the 2nd clip those 3 untis are SD60's// And nice Dash 7 on the 3rd clip

@josherickson6862 3 года назад

Awesome, those 45s scream

@gm16v149 11 лет назад

You must have a pretty good mic on the camera, it sounded awesome coming through my speakers. I do like the sound of the 645s, the 16.710s BHP run on the iron ore roads where I live sound good, but the 16 and 20.645s sound better.

@scoobycarr5558 7 лет назад

Those sd45-2s got to be former Erie Lackawanna units

@1jackdk 7 лет назад

Yes they are Scooby Carr. I enjoyed see them on home rails before the Conrail takeover. Thanks for watching...

@mathewlambert1553 7 лет назад

Scooby Carr

@mathewlambert1553 7 лет назад

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@mathewlambert1553 7 лет назад

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@mathewlambert1553 7 лет назад

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@128789842 8 лет назад

Awesome roaring of diesel...

@2448toyman 12 лет назад

Great conrail video and Thank you for you comment on C630MS I would like to see the one you got on your layout?

@bluecomet390 12 лет назад

Another great video. You were ahead of your time!

@jijzer3284 6 лет назад

Cool thanks for sharing

@1jackdk 6 лет назад

Glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for watching .

@garylarson6386 Год назад

most railroaders dont realise what an amazing engine the emd 20 cyl was 645 cu per cyl 3600 hp I AM RETIRED FROM THE C&NW RR

@Ricmann3 7 лет назад

1989!!!!!

@fredstuckmann 12 лет назад

Great action, thanks.

@andrewschmitz5309 11 лет назад

beautiful sound

@bradstrains 11 лет назад

You're correct. Neither are as reliable as the SD40-2. Most RRs found that by either reducing the compression on the SD50 greatly improved reliability, but reduced it to 3000 HP. Some SD45s are refitted with the 645E3V16 that the SD40-2 has. The V20 in the SD45 has been known to tare it's crank shaft apart.

@jeffreymcfadden9403 6 лет назад

by this time, CR had replaced the 20 cyl. with 16 cyl. in the SD45-2.

@PauloHeaven 8 лет назад

100 cylinders total at the beginning, that makes a lot of cylinders. Would like to hear a 20-cylinder at higher RPMs, the sound would be very cool but those locomotives engines aren't made to rev.

@nn-zh5to 6 лет назад

I miss Conrail

@jeffreymcfadden9403 6 лет назад

conrail sucked. do not miss it at all. with all the rail line cr tore up. come to ohio and ind. and see first hand what CR did. hell, the ATSF wanted the EL west end , CR would rather tear it out than have the competition.

@railyardfilms6491 5 лет назад

Excellent

@1jackdk 5 лет назад

Thanks Railyard, and thanks for watching...

@ShawnyNorburn 4 года назад

Cool

@edwardansbro2624 11 лет назад

Those Jennies all have Friction Wheels, they are long gone.

@kevinkidd6009 3 года назад

Yo nice videos.

@zigman8550 3 года назад

Are you on the Rt.53 bridge?

@biker944 11 лет назад

wow i love trains

@Kareldekorte2 12 лет назад

@bluecomet390 I have to agree, too bad they didn't have 1080p hd cameras back in the day.

@dontstealmacosx 12 лет назад

12- and 20-cylinder engines are uneven-firing. 8- and 16-cylinder engines are even firing.

@mm-gl7sz 4 года назад

3 cylinders are also uneven firing like Mitsubishi mirage G4

@tahititoutou3802 10 лет назад

One thing I noticed is that RR companies often align many powerful locos, sometimes up to 6. This must create a tremendous tractive effort on the tie (or knuckle) between the last loco ans the first car! Somebody knows how much effort a knuckle can take?

@Jazzbass2664 10 лет назад

Probably around 300,000lbs I think, It might be higher though.

@larryhostetler3887 10 лет назад

10,000 tons

@tahititoutou3802 10 лет назад

Euh... I'd rather believe 300,000 pounds than 10,000 tons! That would be 20,000,000 (20 millions) pounds!!! A little bit high for something held on a swivel, isn't it? Would there be any reliable reference? Like a manufacturer specification, or a RR encyclopedia or something having some credibility?

@larryhostetler3887 10 лет назад

Tahititoutou your call.. when a train consist calls for a train in excess of 14,000 tons...

@irasthewarrior 10 лет назад

Grade E knuckles:650,000 pounds-force (2.9 MN) Grade E coupler bodies:900,000 pounds-force (4.0 MN)

@JMAC-rs6ey 3 года назад

I’m spooled up deep here tractive drive to dah rail bout 850,000, about 25,897 horsepower. Full inter axel wheel lock deployment and sand spreader at the ready. 660,000 pounds per car. Can I get a throttle up please. Notch seven puuuulllll

@stevencarrollscorpio 11 лет назад

big monsters.

@Retired88M Год назад

The best part? NO GRAFFITI !!!!

@Triplex5014 11 лет назад

EMD all the way!!! 20-645E3 wastes a lot of fuel to produce 3600HP but It's way better to me than the modern 710 engines. What about the SD50. As I've read, they have 16-645F engines that have a compresion ratio 18:1 so they produce 3500HP but the engine parts are under big stress so it leads to an early overhaul. Correct me if I'm not right.

@jeffreymcfadden9403 6 лет назад

by this time, CR had replaced the 20 cyl with the 16 cyl. in the SD45-2.

@ohboy3622 5 лет назад

The sd50 was shit also for awhile. They had a lot of problems with electrical issues and wiring. After a lot of money in fixing the problems they weren’t that bad but still the 40-2 was much preferred because of reliablity. They also had engine issues early because of the higher rpm it was designed to run at.

@1575murray 5 лет назад

A lot of SD50s have been rebuilt and downgraded to SD40-2 specs to keep them running reliably. Also many SD45s and SD45-2s have been rebuilt with 16-645E engines effectively making them SD40s with larger fuel tanks.

@mikeefc829 4 года назад

can anyone explain how each of those engines can pull with equal horsepower, for example each trains engines will have different engine efficiencies' and thus if 1 engine is only providing say 98% of it's power compared to the other engines which might be the same power, more or less, then the most efficient engine will have too haul the less efficient engines as well as the freight..hope i've been clear in what i'm trying to convey..

@1jackdk 4 года назад

All locomotives are putting out 100% of its horsepower no matter what they are and the make... They are all geared the same. So as an example, if you have a EMD SD45 as a lead unit of 3600 hp, and the second unit is a GE U28B which has 2800 hp, and then you place a older ALCO RS11 in the mix, which will add another 1800hp. Those three units amount to 8200 total horsepower. Now they figure in the tonnage of the train it has to pull, and the grades on the line. They know exactly how much total horsepower they need to move that train over the line. Hope this explains it and makes it a little clearer Mike... Thanks for watching...

@woltar9 11 лет назад

MMMMMMMMMMMMMM

@22fret 10 лет назад

Sounds great but you shouldn't have filmed it with a toaster...

@1jackdk 10 лет назад

At least its on film for everyone to hear and enjoy. Or this scene would have been lost forever. Thanks for watching...

@22fret 10 лет назад

You're welcome, but seriously, what did you film it with? Was it an older camera or did you just scale it down for YT?

@1jackdk 10 лет назад

22fret It was filmed on a VHS camera back in the late 1980's. It was transfered from a VHS tape recorder/player, through my ditital camera, to download on the computer HD...