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20 Things You Didn't Know About Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979) Part 1 

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Deleted scenes, unused scripts, studio politics, and more tidbits about the first Star Trek movie.
Read the article here: whatculture.co...
Watch Part 2 here: • 20 Things You Didn't K...
Special Thanks to Captain Foley of Trekyards, for the cameo!
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@Trekyardswebseries
@Trekyardswebseries 4 года назад
😂 Oh man! How’d you get that footage of Captain Foley!?!?
@geoffharris724
@geoffharris724 4 года назад
I saw that too and did a double take, Lmao.
@ahsenkhan5386
@ahsenkhan5386 4 года назад
@@geoffharris724 where ?
@geoffharris724
@geoffharris724 4 года назад
1:10 - 1:18 in the video
@wilsonwood4492
@wilsonwood4492 4 года назад
It wasn't the Captain... It was a Changeling!!!!!!!
@ToddTalksTech
@ToddTalksTech 4 года назад
from a Foley artist of course! Ba Dum Shhht!
@RodStewartFaness
@RodStewartFaness 4 года назад
Fun fact: I was named after Ilia, thanks to my mum being a huge Trekkie
@KaiCrafted
@KaiCrafted 4 года назад
I met a woman named Jadzia once and asked if her parents were Trek fans, she sighed heavily and begrudgingly confirmed that they were
@Skelly5962
@Skelly5962 4 года назад
That is so cool.
@geraldburke5147
@geraldburke5147 4 года назад
That is awesome!!
@deviantaffinity1626
@deviantaffinity1626 4 года назад
I named my daughter Serenity. She loves her name!
@robferguson8696
@robferguson8696 4 года назад
It’s a beautiful name...
@georgeprice5625
@georgeprice5625 4 года назад
Men: Bald women are NOT hot! Persis Khambatta: Hold my hair.
@Slovflyer
@Slovflyer 4 года назад
Until I watched it this year for the third time, I never paid attention to the fact that she was from India. Hehe. (I was born there)
@ianfindly3257
@ianfindly3257 4 года назад
Well, ONLY PERFECTLY GOOD-LOOKING people are able to look good BALD. MOST people do look better with hair.
@emoryzheng3257
@emoryzheng3257 3 года назад
@@ianfindly3257 picard looks better when he's bold tho hahaha
@standepain
@standepain 4 года назад
0:41 Little did she know that she'd look absolutely amazing without her hair...and that's really an understatement. Gone way too soon.
@danielelfers
@danielelfers 4 года назад
I feel like The Motion Picture was trying way too hard to be 2001: A Space Odyssey.
@inuyashalost
@inuyashalost 4 года назад
I kinda feel it was trying to prove itself against Star Wars. Either way, while not one of my favorite movies, it was great to see the Enterprise for the first time in refit form.
@metamorphicorder
@metamorphicorder 4 года назад
I can see some influence there but the tone and atmosphere was much different.
@amoeba1533
@amoeba1533 4 года назад
Well, THAT kind of SET IT APART in an era in which MOST OTHER sci-fi flicks were being Star Wars wanna-be's instead.
@robzilla730
@robzilla730 3 года назад
More like Roddenberry was trying too hard to be Kubrick.
@silverfamily985
@silverfamily985 4 года назад
I could never understand the dislike of the first movie... it is the most "Star Trek" of the TOS film releases. No, it might not be like the other big summer action film hits, but it nor Star Trek ever was meant to be.
@koerthman71
@koerthman71 4 года назад
Agreed!
@ianfindly3257
@ianfindly3257 4 года назад
Well, I'm particularly surprised to hear an "assessment" like THAT from Harlan Elison. I mean, sure, I can understand such a review from your typical modern-day American moviegoer who's accustomed to more action-oriented type movies saying THAT about this movie and some professional critics too, .. . but ELLISON? . . an AUTHOR whose own work isn't exactly known for its racing "high-octane" action!
@PORRRIDGE_GUN
@PORRRIDGE_GUN 4 года назад
I think it was the most watchable of all of the films, and with the most intelligent story. The costumes were very good too. They only got worse in later films
@ianfindly3257
@ianfindly3257 4 года назад
Not "summer", Christmas film.
@pheonix5597
@pheonix5597 4 года назад
"Booring"? .. . depends WHAT you consider EXCITING in the first place. Now personally I happen to find ohhhh guns, stunts, car chases, crashes, and explosions pretty dull myself, so I don't miss THAT shit one bit when watching THIS film.
@coolnegative
@coolnegative 4 года назад
I've always thought the original movie (considering the level of technology when it was made) is lush and epic. I still enjoy watching it.
@countluke2334
@countluke2334 4 года назад
It came out 3 years after Star Wars and looks as though it came out 10 years before. So, I disagree.
@TheCastellan
@TheCastellan 4 года назад
I like it best, too.
@TheCastellan
@TheCastellan 4 года назад
@@countluke2334 Well, I find Star Wars rubbish, so I disagree with you. :)
@russellharrell2747
@russellharrell2747 4 года назад
I’d say TMP ranks up there as a better version of Black Hole.
@coolnegative
@coolnegative 4 года назад
@@russellharrell2747 I love that! Gonna have to use that one sometime.
@davidperfette1425
@davidperfette1425 4 года назад
I loved it! It's not dull, it's cerebral. It's both big and small, and it lets you ease into each moment. Whether it's a massive energy cloud, a rock in the ship's path, or the subtleties of various relationships, you get to immerse yourself in it all and connect with how one may experience the moment. It's contemplative and full of wonder.
@hoffmanshaven
@hoffmanshaven 4 года назад
I don’t give a shit how bad critics say it was I love the movie and watch it often.
@ianfindly3257
@ianfindly3257 4 года назад
Well, I'm surprised to hear an "assessment" like THAT from Harlan Elison. I mean, sure, I can understand such a review from your typical modern-day American moviegoer who's accustomed to more action-oriented type movies saying THAT about this movie and some professional critics too, .. . but ELLISON? . . an AUTHOR whose own work isn't exactly known for its racing "high-octane" action!
@deathstrike
@deathstrike 3 года назад
Harlan Ellison is know for his critiques. His harshest was the Canadian produced variant of his book "Phoenix without ashes" called The Starlost. He was so angry and disgusted with what he saw he resorted to using his pseudo name of Cordwainer Bird to prevent from being associated with it. He's harsh and IMHO he judged STTMP for its lack of cohesion, numerous mistakes and it's approach to transcendence.
@steverodgers8425
@steverodgers8425 4 года назад
Far and away my favorite Star Trek film. Much more cerebral than the action movies. Sure it's slow, much like 2001. And like 2001 a rare sci fi film that made a successful reach for the profound.
@Skelly5962
@Skelly5962 4 года назад
Um, the first pilot was not called "The Menagerie", it was called "The Cage".
@OrionBlitz256
@OrionBlitz256 4 года назад
Yep. The Managerie used footage from the pilot.
@leandar
@leandar 3 года назад
The title of the pilot originally was "The Cage," but during production, Roddenberry changed it to "The Menagerie." When the two part episode ended up with that title later, the pilot was reverted back to "The Cage."
@ELEKTROSKANSEN
@ELEKTROSKANSEN 3 года назад
I'm truly sorry for anyone who thinks TMP is boring. I love it! This one and Khan are my favorite two!
@specterkev
@specterkev 3 года назад
Love the motion picture I feel it is very underrated compared to the others I thought It had a great story. When I was a kid and a teenager I felt it was so boring but watching it now as an adult I can really appreciate it
@paulpolpiboon9535
@paulpolpiboon9535 4 года назад
It's an AWESOME Movie. You are too dull to recognize it.
@StuartFoleyCaptainFoley
@StuartFoleyCaptainFoley 4 года назад
Damn groupies are always bothering me! How’d you get that footage?
@adambrown3918
@adambrown3918 4 года назад
Hahahahahaha! You know you're loved. 😆
@thrashpondopons2776
@thrashpondopons2776 4 года назад
'Where Nomad Has Gone Before!' Ha Ha! Very Clever! I remember thinking at the time 'This is 'The Changeling' with a bigger budget!'!
@DIYDaveOK
@DIYDaveOK 4 года назад
I actually read a book that was really more a compilation of quotes and notes about the production of TMP that indicated at one point it was *recognized* that TMP was a rehash of "The Changeling," but by that point in the production, they really didn't care anymore. Sadder still is that "Changeling" was a much better realized treatment of the concept than the "disappear into nothingness" resolution offered up by TMP.
@paulheap1982
@paulheap1982 4 года назад
@@DIYDaveOK my understanding was vger went to another dimension.
@DIYDaveOK
@DIYDaveOK 4 года назад
@@paulheap1982 Yes, it did, but for the average viewer who didn't get that abstraction, it made the movie's finish decidedly unsatisfying.
@DenverStarkey
@DenverStarkey 4 года назад
@@DIYDaveOK you mean the average brain dead dumb ass that never picks up a book ? i found the movie's end just fine but i can see how general audiences wouldn't and the sad truth is; its because the shit went over their head. Star trek got the green light because 2001 and star wars were huge money draws, but when they sat down to write the script they went too cerebral with the material. and while 2001 was also a thinking "man's" movie. it was heavily toned down from the novel because they knew to get ass'es of the masses in the seats they needed something that didn't liquify an idiot's brain. Cerebral movies like 1984, and ST:TMP are often amazing materpieces , but at the same time they tend to put large crowds to sleep due to a lack of action (cept those 1984 love scenes .. damn lotta action in those :P ). jokes aside , the bottom line is that Roddenberry and crew , shot out the gate with a level 10 brain buster of a movie (by most people's standards) it's why the much less thought provoking ST II:TWoK beat it out in popularity and sales.
@minicle426
@minicle426 3 года назад
Much like how TWoK is a cross between Space Seed and Balance of Terror. :P
@pheonix5597
@pheonix5597 4 года назад
"Booring"? .. . depends WHAT you consider EXCITING in the first place. Now personally I happen to find ohhhh guns, stunts, car chases, crashes, and explosions pretty dull myself, so I don't miss THAT shit one bit when watching THIS film.
@KEVMAN7987
@KEVMAN7987 4 года назад
This movie is a masterpiece.
@jtreedy116
@jtreedy116 4 года назад
Sadly, few will agree. I love TMP (I could watch them fly around the refit Enterprise for an hour) and it is my wife's favorite TOS movie. I think folks miss out on the much more purely sci-fi nature of the story. Khan remains my favorite Trek movie (and Undiscovered Country is sooooo close, thanks Nick Meyer!), but those are much more action flicks set in space. TMP feels like a real mystery in space - and I don't think the pacing suffers personally. I mean, come on, 2001 is brilliant but it wasn't exactly moving a breakneck speed. And you know what? For those of us who love it, we love it :)
@marcoslaureano5562
@marcoslaureano5562 4 года назад
@@jtreedy116 I hear ya. I watched 2001 for the first time earlier this year and found it pretentious and dull as hell. Just my opinion. And I'm actually a Kubrick fan.
@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812
@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 Год назад
I enjoyed the hell out of this movie and I think people who find it "slow or boring" to be unimaginative and kinda low IQ.
@mishmashmedley
@mishmashmedley 4 года назад
I love it when a channel thinks it can out-nerd a star trek nerd. Yes, yes I did know about these things. Yes, I am a dork for knowing them. Move along, now, nothing to see here....
@tomepfi
@tomepfi 4 года назад
Motion Picture is actually one of my favourite Trek movies.
@marcgoecke9401
@marcgoecke9401 4 года назад
JJ Abrams also was a former TV director and I wouldn't consider him an A-List director. Spielberg is A-List.
@alexeimscruz2893
@alexeimscruz2893 4 года назад
Abrams did Ally McBeal now he's the ultimate geek director who has definitely killed Star Trek with his reboot and Star Wars with his sequel...
@andypage9
@andypage9 4 года назад
@@alexeimscruz2893 LMAO
@GregorBarclay
@GregorBarclay 4 года назад
Whether you like his work or not, he’s an A-list director now for sure, and pretty much already was when he was hired for the ‘09 Trek.
@thecianinator
@thecianinator 4 года назад
@@GregorBarclay I don't know he definitely had a lot of great TV under his belt at that point but the only film he had directed was Mission Impossible 3
@SixStringflyboy
@SixStringflyboy 4 года назад
I agree. He's definitely made a lot of popular movies, but not A-List by a long shot.
@qdllc
@qdllc 4 года назад
People don’t realize that it was Trek going to the big screen that ensured the success of Trek spinoffs. The glimpses we get of a new Star Trek TV series really were bad. The movies forced Paramount to bring their A Game for all future TV Trek productions.
@DIYDaveOK
@DIYDaveOK 4 года назад
Yeah, and then they let a hack like Kurtzman produce utter garbage like Discovery and Picard. Utter garbage.
@AnthonyGenualdi
@AnthonyGenualdi 4 года назад
I was 8 when this debuted in the theaters. Naturally I was blown away by the story and, later when it was on TV, when I was 12, I really appreciated Ilia.
@theelvenwtich
@theelvenwtich 4 года назад
I love this movie.
@keyalpha1
@keyalpha1 4 года назад
My oath of promiscuity is on record, captain.
@abbaszaidi8371
@abbaszaidi8371 4 года назад
Oh my......
@trainsurgeon
@trainsurgeon 4 года назад
Obviously you’re talking about Mirror Universe Ilia! She’d look good even with a goatee! 😂😅
@keyalpha1
@keyalpha1 4 года назад
@@trainsurgeon Ilia with a goatee... I'm .. confused so hard, it's breaking my Kohlinar.
@trainsurgeon
@trainsurgeon 4 года назад
Vulcan Alpha 😅
@TheWrongHands18
@TheWrongHands18 4 года назад
@@trainsurgeon Only the goatee wasn't on her face...
@timothyhanner8118
@timothyhanner8118 4 года назад
I’m not a Trekkie, but I liked this film. The existential angle was intriguing.
@appollosharris4350
@appollosharris4350 4 года назад
Interesting stuff. Never thought that James Doohan created the Klingon Language.
@alexmcintyre8229
@alexmcintyre8229 4 года назад
The original pilot was "The Cage." "The Menagerie" was the 11th & 12th episodes of the first season making it the only two parter of the original series. The events of "The Cage" were shown when Spock was put on trial for stealing the Enterprise and setting up the autopilot to take the Enterprise to Talos IV.
@psoma_brufd
@psoma_brufd 4 года назад
Apparently it was called the menagerie for a time, they often reuse names.
@thefurrybastard1964
@thefurrybastard1964 4 года назад
Damn, beat me to it!
@U-rok
@U-rok 4 года назад
Psoma_Brufd however, officially, it was called “The Cage”.
@psoma_brufd
@psoma_brufd 4 года назад
@@U-rok yes, but that was long after development, which he was talking about.
@U-rok
@U-rok 4 года назад
Psoma_Brufd interesting. Thanks for the info.
@amoeba1533
@amoeba1533 3 года назад
"Booring"? .. . depends WHAT you consider EXCITING in the first place. Now personally I happen to find ohhhh guns, stunts, car chases, crashes, and explosions pretty dull myself, so I don't miss THAT shit one bit when watching THIS film.
@Slovflyer
@Slovflyer 4 года назад
I watched for the 3rd time earlier this year with my 7 year old son. At 39 years old myself, I finally liked it. It was a pretty decent movie, even if a bit ...oldish in style vs the later movies. It has its great moments like the opening Klingon attack, which my 7 year old drew on paper, days after haha
@slptp
@slptp 4 года назад
If you are interested in learning more about the evolution of this movie from a filmmaking/acting perspective, "Chekov's Enterprise" by Walter Koenig is a collection of his experiences from pre-production through production. It's a great book filled with a lot of detail.
@leeshwan903
@leeshwan903 4 года назад
I am enjoying this list! Sean Ferrick is doing a terrific job with this material! I have a sense of joy in the presentation of these insightful nuggets of information.
@MichaelAarons1701
@MichaelAarons1701 4 года назад
I love _The Motion Picture_ and occasionally watch it whenever I want a good, classic sci-fi experience.
@startrekker6913
@startrekker6913 2 года назад
naaa to slow and not enough action
@MichaelAarons1701
@MichaelAarons1701 2 года назад
I could the say the same or worse about _2001: A Space Odyssey, Interstellar,_ or _Alien_ and yet those films are also good. Hell, 2 of those were outshined by their sequels like this one as well.
@startrekker6913
@startrekker6913 2 года назад
@@MichaelAarons1701 I could see that but its not the same Alien for example has action and is very good but The Motion Picture has no real action and just drags
@MichaelAarons1701
@MichaelAarons1701 2 года назад
I challenge that. _Alien_ has very little in the vein of “action”; it has suspense mostly. But the only real action comes when either Ash tries to kill Ripley or she’s desperately trying to get off the _Nostromo_ and later has the final scare of the Xenomorph having divined her plan and stowed away with her on the _Narcissus._ The whole film is essentially _Jaws_ in Space and _Jaws_ was more about the Human element dealing with a threatening creature so it’s more small encounters. Since you can’t see the shark for long stretches, it’s either implied presence or the occasional glimpse until the final moment when Hooper’s in the cage below, Quint is dead, and Brody (who’s been rather gutless seeing the size of the thing) has to take a stand. Most of the film is bureaucracy, the daily workings of a fishing boat, or male bonding. _The Motion Picture_ is a mystery so “real action” is murky unless you’re wanting to go _Predator_ where every so often the characters have to boisterously blast their guns here and there while trying to figure out the mystery of what’s stalking them. Everything else you said, pure opinion as *I* find _The Motion Picture_ “very good” and that it drags far less than some other things but it’s pace is not anything I’ve ever had any issue with.
@startrekker6913
@startrekker6913 2 года назад
@@MichaelAarons1701 I see your point but I still say ''The Motion Picture'' is too slow and needs more action and combat
@BirthquakeRecords
@BirthquakeRecords 4 года назад
Ohhhh baby nooooo, the first Trek pilot is "The Cage"! The Menagerie is the two-parter of TOS where they reuse footage from The Cage.
@CaptRobertApril
@CaptRobertApril 4 года назад
When submitted to NBC, the name the episode was, indeed, "The Menagerie". They got away with the name change because the title never appeared on screen.
@BirthquakeRecords
@BirthquakeRecords 4 года назад
Captain Robert April Whaaaaaaaaa???? No way. You've just blown my mind
@calaverx11
@calaverx11 4 года назад
@@CaptRobertApril Huh I've only ever heard it referred to as "The Cage" and "The Menagerie" was a separate episode.
@pathevermore3683
@pathevermore3683 4 года назад
@@calaverx11 Memory alpha confirms. though it started production as "The Cage". so that episode went from cage to menagerie to the cage again.
@killwalker
@killwalker 4 года назад
Menage au Troi first thing that came to mind
@jhonwask
@jhonwask 4 года назад
This movie is my favourite of all of them.
@nat20dm
@nat20dm 4 года назад
"The Menagerie" wasn't the pilot. The pilot was titled "The Cage." Bits of that episode were chopped up and later incorporated into "The Menagerie."
@Isaacisaperson4677
@Isaacisaperson4677 5 месяцев назад
The first title of the pilot was menagerie but they later changed it to the cage
@brianjlevine
@brianjlevine 4 года назад
Over time TMP has become my favorite Star Trek film. Sure, slow, but much sci-fi is as well. Great film primarily about relationships.
@DIYDaveOK
@DIYDaveOK 4 года назад
As a Trek fan from the days when TOS wasn't called TOS, and have followed virtually all Trek productions in the intervening 40 years, I have to say that this is a pretty fair treatment of the troubled history behind TMP. One tidbit (that, in fairness, might be addressed in Part II) not mentioned is that there was some discussion that new Trek adventures would be released as periodic "special feature" television events rather than a conventional weekly TV series or movie. Michael Eisner floated this concept at one point, I think. Also, the idea to change or rebuild the sets for the transition from Phase II to TMP was largely Robert Wise's decision. When he was brought in to helm the movie, he came into the sets - all built for a TV caliber production - the story is he said they'd all have to be scrapped because they weren't suitable for movie filming. The cost for the original sets, which was part of the Phase II production budget, was rolled into TMP's production cost - which hit close to $50 million; an astronomical figure for a 1970s film. One other tidbit: While I'm sure its entirely coincidental, the production values and set design in TMP bear a striking resemblance to another Robert Wise sci-fi adventure: "The Andromeda Strain." The latter movie is a sci-fi tale written by Michael Crichton (sp) about a supposedly top-secret germ warfare lab called "Wildfire" deep in the Nevada desert. But the interiors of "Wildfire" bore a *striking* resemblance to the interiors of the Enterprise; circular decks, flashing corridor lights, sliding doors, lots of blinky things in the walls, even the same somewhat somnambulent direction where people are caught staring into the camera in amazement at, well, *something*. Compare the two and you'll be struck by the similarities. I know I was. I look at all these retrospectives and always end up wondering..."What might have been..." What if "Wrath of Khan" had been the *first* movie produced? It would have been an even bigger blockbuster than it was, and the Trek movie franchise might have moved in an entirely different direction.
@joermnyc
@joermnyc 4 года назад
Also the Vulcan science officer Kirk wanted on the Enterprise, who got caught in the transporter accident, was basically a stand-in for “Xon” from Phase II. (Of course having the original actor for Xon being digitized by V’Ger basically was a way of killing “Xon” off twice.)
@UltraPokeZ
@UltraPokeZ 4 года назад
honestly and I'm sure I'm not the only one that has thought but isn't vger *voyager* technically called the beginnings of the borg? Before Star Trek brought the borg to life in TNG show?
@marcoslaureano5562
@marcoslaureano5562 4 года назад
I'm not a Trekkie by any means but I've always enjoyed the series and the movies. But there is something about the first motion picture that makes it my favorite(with Wrath of Khan a very close second), I've just never been able to put my finger on it. "Flawed masterpiece" is a PERFECT description of this movie. I absolutely love it.
@radaro.9682
@radaro.9682 23 дня назад
What defines a "Trekkie" if not one who has an appreciation for Star Trek episodes and movies?
@tonibingham2430
@tonibingham2430 4 года назад
Another fun fact; I was pregnant with my daughter when I watched this movie again and the initial name I was going to give her changed to Ilia. I changed the spelling to help people recognise it when they saw it but, my daughter owes her name to this movie
@ARMEN-wb7ve
@ARMEN-wb7ve 4 года назад
Liked the movie but hated the uniforms
@JOECANDELA22
@JOECANDELA22 4 года назад
Kirk looked like he was ready to perform root canal on Spock with that dentist outfit he was wearing.
@ianfindly3257
@ianfindly3257 4 года назад
The uniforms made them look like fitness trainers at a health spa
@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812
@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 4 месяца назад
They're very 70's.
@chrisdavis3055
@chrisdavis3055 Год назад
The vast majority of people under 60 years old did not experience Star Trek: The Motion Picture in theaters at its release. It was an event. Like many movies at the time, it was completely intended to be watched on a giant screen in a silent, dark theater with no distractions. Nowadays, movies are made with the expectation they will be viewed on a small screen in a living room where you have full access to your phone and kitchen, etc. STTMP is most definitely a theater movie, and watching it outside of that environment will certainly result in a more boring, less entertaining experience.
@JohnnyX50
@JohnnyX50 4 года назад
Well, I actually LIKED the film. So there! xx
@Willowphase2
@Willowphase2 4 года назад
I love TMP especially the Directors Cut but it’s more 2001 than the original series.
@jtreedy116
@jtreedy116 4 года назад
I so want the Director's Cut but with the alarm klaxons from the theatrical release.
@Willowphase2
@Willowphase2 4 года назад
JT Reedy It’s a small detail I totally agree with.
@Genos2600
@Genos2600 4 года назад
Not sure why you included the shot of the actress crying while getting her head shaved but good call. At first I laughed, then I felt sorry for her. Guilty that I laughed and finally found a new respect for the sacrifice people make in order to make films like this happen. Ran through more emotions than I did watching STTMP.
@layton3503
@layton3503 4 года назад
The Director's cut is the best version of the film, which is great. Definitely and securely in my top 4 list of ALL Trek Films
@KRAFTWERK2K6
@KRAFTWERK2K6 4 года назад
The Directors Edition DVD really is the BETTER movie overall in pasting and editing. And i say that as someone who grew up watching "Star Trep TMP" as a kid countless times and the Nostalgia should have blinded me completely. The only thing i don't like are the changed shots on Vulcan and the Federation headquarter scenes where Kirk arrives with his shuttle-bus. The Vulcan changes however make sense since now there's an actual Sun blinding Spock which is why he holds it up to cast a shade on his face. Something that didn't exist in the original move. BUT..... i still find the original planet view shot in the film so much nicer and moody with the 2 moons passing by at the sky. We never got another such an impressive landscape shot again in any other Star Trek film.
@andrewmichaelscollectibles
@andrewmichaelscollectibles 4 года назад
The costumes from 'The Cage' has very similar attributes to the new ones for TMP.
@chriswright6245
@chriswright6245 3 года назад
Funny thing is that the cage had a better look that tos.
@davidpumpkinsjr.5108
@davidpumpkinsjr.5108 4 года назад
I believe that all the men being attracted to Ilia was not scripted, just a natural reaction to the lovely, lovely Persis Khambata.
@jessicamerriman2336
@jessicamerriman2336 4 года назад
David Pumpkins Jr. women too. 😉❤️
@radstorm
@radstorm 3 года назад
I liked the motion picture.. to me it reminded me of many aspects of the tv series i/e relating to our current times .. probably many of those condemning it were just expecting a star wars type scenario..
@andrewdemetrius8090
@andrewdemetrius8090 4 года назад
The pilot was titled The Cage.......
@grahamturner1290
@grahamturner1290 4 года назад
Whatever you think of it, this movie did well commercially and paved the way for the continuation of the franchise.
@jenniferbeyer6412
@jenniferbeyer6412 3 года назад
I loved this movie. It was and is a great movie.
@TheCastellan
@TheCastellan 4 года назад
My favorite of the films.
@rikb728
@rikb728 4 года назад
My favourite Star Trek movie
@undeadknight01
@undeadknight01 3 года назад
2:00 The first Star Trek pilot was The Cage
@rolandbaldwin
@rolandbaldwin 4 года назад
The first Pilot is The Cage. Not The Menagerie.
@TrekCulture
@TrekCulture 4 года назад
Originally called ‘The Menagerie’.
@rolandbaldwin
@rolandbaldwin 4 года назад
@@TrekCulture Okay. Maybe you should have said later called The Cage when broadcast. Thanks for telling me. That was something even I didn't know and I read and watch everything. Great job and looking forward to part 2. This was fantastic. It makes me want to revisit the film. I could never make it more than an hour in in the past. Keep up the great work. LLAP
@patrickradcliffe3837
@patrickradcliffe3837 4 года назад
Wow no wonder the motion picture seems so scattered plot wise. So many story lines being crammed into one movie.
@stevejordan7275
@stevejordan7275 4 года назад
And *that,* you see, is one of the things that makes it more like real life. A story can be like real life, can even be based on it, but to fit it into the time available, you have to thin it down, you can't tell the *whole* story. Example: anyone who has read The Color Purple, and seen the film, knows how even a movie version of a written story leaves a lot out. But it's still worth the candle.
@patrickradcliffe3837
@patrickradcliffe3837 4 года назад
@@stevejordan7275 it's not that they left anything out but cramming so many different story concepts into one movie can ruin it. After seeing the video and then finding these other storylines that I knew had been pitched for phase two and other Star Trek movies hurt the final product. I'm amazed that makes any sense at all.
@jonathanmarois9009
@jonathanmarois9009 4 года назад
Comic Book Guy: Worst Star Trek Ever!
@johnarmenta2199
@johnarmenta2199 4 года назад
HAHAHAHA!!!
@SurvivorIce
@SurvivorIce 3 года назад
Mix the best of TMP with bezt of TWOK. You get recipe for making great Trek film.
@Jayk129
@Jayk129 4 года назад
I mean this in the nicest way possible, I genuinely love this movie, but I use this to sleep when I have insomnia. It’s just interesting enough to hold my attention so my brain stops racing with whatever was keeping me awake. At the same time it’s pacing, music, imagery, everything is just so beautiful and deliberate that it isn’t overly exciting & stimulating but instead deeply relaxing. In the end I usually drift off to a peaceful sleep somewhere around the big rec deck crew briefing scene.
@Ordizz
@Ordizz 4 года назад
Nearly every night!!! Presumed I was the only one lol
@Jayk129
@Jayk129 4 года назад
Ordizz - Dune and The Black Hole work good too for similar reasons.
@thecianinator
@thecianinator 4 года назад
That's also why this is the perfect movie to watch when you have a hangover
@jamesoblivion
@jamesoblivion 3 года назад
I absolutely hate the uniforms in this movie. Always have. Still do. Likely always will.
@timsmith2525
@timsmith2525 4 года назад
Worst costuming of any movie or television program ever made; however, if you gave this film to a good editor, you'd end up with a very good movie.
@Jamaicafunk
@Jamaicafunk 4 года назад
I always referred to it as, ‘Star Trek’s 2001’.
@kitfo18
@kitfo18 4 года назад
The only way that this and a lot of other movies will get the respect they are due is easy. You have to change the box office numbers from total earned to total tickets sold. Lets face it if we go by total earned then we are just as stupid as the Hollywood people we think are good as the dollar numbers ignore inflation for the reason of trying to justify the shitty actors and movies we have today. Look at ticket sales over inflated dollars and you will see what I mean.
@franklyanogre00000
@franklyanogre00000 4 года назад
Still have the problem of population growth. Good try though.
@johna9994
@johna9994 4 года назад
Frank Anthony Overton Jr. granted I was born in the 80’s but I believe science fiction movies are much better received from the 90s onwards then back in the day
@PozerAdultRacingTeam
@PozerAdultRacingTeam 4 года назад
I like Star Trek The Motion Picture.
@olligoround
@olligoround 4 года назад
Your videos are always so professional made and realy informative! I thank you so much!! Best wishes from Germany! :)
@CheOrwell
@CheOrwell 4 года назад
Thanks for the inclusion of a person of color... I'm not being facetious... it really did make me feel better represented. Live long and Prosper.
@cyanhb9689
@cyanhb9689 3 года назад
Or... It's a cerebral film and it certainly divides the fan base.
@thetowerstillstands
@thetowerstillstands 4 года назад
I want to know what the heck is happening in the Laurentian System? Everytime there is a problem, the whole FLEET is there!
@irishtexan899
@irishtexan899 4 года назад
War games...maybe
@thetowerstillstands
@thetowerstillstands 4 года назад
@@irishtexan899 You'd think they would be better at it, then.😁
@thirdpedalnirvana
@thirdpedalnirvana 4 года назад
I want to state for the record that the directors cut was a hundred thousand times better. Not just because the original cut dragged on and on and on, but because the original sound mix was HORRENDOUS. Terrible. Awful. The classic red alert sound was like a nuclear submarine sound instead and the ship automatically went to red alert every time anything happened! Anything! By itself, not from Kirk ordering it. I was luckily introduced to the directors cut first. I only saw the original cut many years later. If I had been in the theater, I’d probably have just gotten up and left halfway through.
@tohpingtiang4878
@tohpingtiang4878 4 года назад
I thought they just mean a ship big enough to handle whatever is coming?
@calaverx11
@calaverx11 4 года назад
Why's everyone gotta make themselves captain? Why doesn't anyone go for admiral? Or commander? Or even those cool field commission badges they used in Voyager?
@franklyanogre00000
@franklyanogre00000 4 года назад
Whatever happened to Commodore?
@johntabler349
@johntabler349 4 года назад
Kirk was cooler than an admiral
@timberwolf1575
@timberwolf1575 4 года назад
@@franklyanogre00000 Well, at least in the US, the rank of commodore is only really used during wartime. Promotion for naval captains goes direct to rear admiral (lower half). Commodore is basically a senior captain in charge of a task force promoted to commodore for the duration of the assignment to ensure clarity of command responsibilities.
@TheWrongHands18
@TheWrongHands18 4 года назад
You heard of Lt. Colonel... well...this is a Corporal Captain. M.A.S.H. Trying to get Radar into the Officers club.
@johnellizz
@johnellizz 4 года назад
14:22 That young Vulcan looks like Richard Hatch in spock ears.
@karenlee188
@karenlee188 4 года назад
I liked it. The ending was beautiful. Yah, sterilize, sterilize you know the thing.
@83Porsche982Sforsale
@83Porsche982Sforsale 4 года назад
It’s been a long time since I learned anything new about Star Trek. Thanks. Well done Shaun. The Motion Picture was a good stand alone film. Unfortunately we fans thought of the Changeling episode which I think detracted from its success as far as lacking originality after a 10 year hiatus. But the other stories worked on at the time are all great ideas. It makes sense why the movie is a little flat. Those are 4-5 movies crammed into TMP. No time to flesh anything out from all those stories including Spocks journey. Trying to take the best elements from each of the story lines floating around. That’s why felt clunky to me and all makes sense. Thanks! It always irked me! PS this could have been lengthened to a trilogy like Star Wars to develop all the side stories. Thank God it wasn’t! If I had gotten to third movie with a Changeling ending I would have been pissed lol! It really was a wonderful cinematic film with cutting edge tech at the time. Thought the set w Vger at the end very TV Trek like. Maybe a homage or probably just cost decision. Still enjoy watching it. Good vid. Subscribed
@TheWrongHands18
@TheWrongHands18 4 года назад
It's also a TV script stretched to 2+ hours, hence the spaceship porn.
@SixStringflyboy
@SixStringflyboy 4 года назад
Kirk's middle name originally started with R ("Where No Man Has Gone Before"), but it was never revealed. It was changed to Tiberius later in the first season.
@wpatrickw2012
@wpatrickw2012 4 года назад
At 13:35, the video misses one of Roddenberry's recycled names. The name Dylan Hunt was used in both 1973's "Genesis II" and its re-imagined 2nd pilot "Planet Earth." The same name was used for the protagonist in the TV series Andromeda.
@deadon4847
@deadon4847 4 года назад
Good thing it wasn't Mike Hunt.
@wpatrickw2012
@wpatrickw2012 4 года назад
@@deadon4847 Indeed :-D
@aqacefan
@aqacefan 4 года назад
It also misses that Denise Crosby and Marina Sirtis swapped roles before "Encounter At Farpoint" was shot. Denise was originally cast as Ship's Counselor Deanna Troi, and Marina was originally cast as Chief of Security, Macha Hernandez. Once they got that straightened out, and it became obvious that Denise could in no way be Latina/Hispanic, the names were changed.
@dynamicjaethought7788
@dynamicjaethought7788 3 года назад
I liked it, I didn't know what the hate it was getting was.
@peterfmodel
@peterfmodel 4 года назад
Personally I think it’s the best of all the star trek movies, but its not an action movie in the typical model of movie block busters and requires some proactive thinking. The closely equivalent is 2001 a space odyssey.
@shaggycan
@shaggycan 4 года назад
9:20 probably my biggest pet peeve of the entire franchise. 'We are in orbit of the capital world of the Federation but we're the only ship in range.' Ridiculous. Imagine a movie set at the White House and it gets attacked but there is only one secret service agent in range! Lol
@DIYDaveOK
@DIYDaveOK 4 года назад
I have always thought it might be fun to do a "Star Trek Sins" channel in an outrageous appropriation of Cinema Sins. You could sin every Trek cliche in every episode from every series. It would be epic :) You could sentence the worst offenders to Rura Penthe :)
@TheWrongHands18
@TheWrongHands18 4 года назад
@@DIYDaveOK Cross referencing contradictory information between series would be a huge undertaking...it's all yours...good luck!
@TheWrongHands18
@TheWrongHands18 4 года назад
You could also try to find the Nitpickers books from all the series (at least the series that were on) written in the 90's. They covered TOS and the films up to that point as well as almost all of TNG. They found a lot of "Sins". They also took submissions and I sent more in to them, by mail of course since the internet didn't exist then. One was all of times Data actually used contractions in TNG. I also Nitpicked the Nitpicker. In one episode of TOS, there's a fight in engineering and the stuntman gets dirt or dust from the floor on his black pants. The writer of the book said something like "why would the Federation flagship have such a dirty floor?" to which I replied, "It was never established that the Enterprise in TOS was the flagship. That was the Enterprise D in TNG that was the flagship." A good one is, Kirk grabs the Orion girl by the arms in Whom Gods Destroy, when they're in his bedroom on the bed. Then he let's go at some point and you can see the green paint on his hands. Also, characters enter or exit the turbolift and camera is above them. There is no separation in the floor between the floor outside the lift and the floor inside the lift. Just fun stuff like that....
@adambrown3918
@adambrown3918 4 года назад
I ABSOLUTELY love this film. I saw this in theatres in 1979 and was blown away! I will love it until the day I die. This movie is NOT science- action or snippets of humor mixed in like the Abrahms/Kurtzman garbage. It's PURE science-fiction. A lot of people complain about it's pacing. Whatever. There's a lot cinematic scenes to drink in along with the mystery of encountering a incomprehensible force from beyond that challenges the mind. It's not for everybody. For those that don't like it; oh well. They can watch flotsam and jetsam cartoons like Lower Decks while they eat a bowl of fruity pebbles holding the spoon improperly while sitting one foot away from the TV screen. Enjoy! By the way; thank you for posting. You have a new subscriber. 🤣
@Novarcharesk
@Novarcharesk 4 года назад
Your sneering at Lower Decks is made more pathetic how you actually think this film was engaging or fun. This is Gatekeeping writ large, and very laughably justified.
@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812
@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 4 месяца назад
This film is so much better than lower decks.
@jumpingman8160
@jumpingman8160 4 года назад
My favorite ST movie
@gsr4535
@gsr4535 4 года назад
TMP is my favorite Trek movie. 👍
@alternavent
@alternavent 4 года назад
I legitimately like this movie.
@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp
@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp 4 года назад
Great episode. There are indeed many little golden Nugget moments in Star Trek: The Motion Picture and it is worth revisiting if you have not seen it in years!
@TheCastellan
@TheCastellan 4 года назад
Also, in the 1995 Book, "The Art of Star Trek", the Design for the Enterprise became the USS Discovery, and the Klingons designs there become the Discovery Klingons. These were the rejected designs....
@dogwalker666
@dogwalker666 4 года назад
Indeed and that's how they should have stayed.
@filthycasual8187
@filthycasual8187 4 года назад
Wait, Klingons were supposed to look like that back in the day? WHAT THE FUCK...
@TheCastellan
@TheCastellan 4 года назад
@@filthycasual8187 Rejected designs from the late 70's.....same heads, even the same armor.
@filthycasual8187
@filthycasual8187 4 года назад
@@TheCastellan So how the hell does one explain this then? How can there be three (four if you count the JJVerse) different physical types of Klingons?
@indigoyarkindell968
@indigoyarkindell968 4 года назад
LoveTMP!
@ThaDoctah
@ThaDoctah 4 года назад
Wow, I had never seen some of those behind the scenes shots before and seeing Persis Khambatta looking like she was choking up when they're shaving her head kinda hurt.
@nottiification
@nottiification 4 года назад
TMP may be a boring mess, but it still 100X more watchable than that 2009 garbage.
@jolan_tru
@jolan_tru 4 года назад
I do love TMP. Even though it is my least-favourite of the movies.
@kd84afc
@kd84afc 4 года назад
Least favourite? Star Trek 5 is gotta be worst
@_Boobear_
@_Boobear_ 4 года назад
@@kd84afc what does god need with a starship?
@trainsurgeon
@trainsurgeon 4 года назад
KD84Afc™ I second that!
@kd84afc
@kd84afc 4 года назад
trainsurgeon the plot was crazy, awful visual effects but what 5 did give us was the best portrayal of friendship between Kirk Spock and McCoy
@trainsurgeon
@trainsurgeon 4 года назад
KD84Afc™ your lemonade from 5’s lemons is admirable - and spot on.
@timsmythfilmsandanimations
@timsmythfilmsandanimations 4 года назад
Star Trek was not that much of a hit, it out grossed Alien, and unknown film, by ew million, but cost more than double. Kramer vs Kramer was the highest grossing picture of the year, while Star trek came in at number 5. So I find it hard to believe that one of every 4 tickets went to Star trek. Jeffrey Hunter's wife got him caned from the second pilot, he did decide not to return. Too much misinformation to continue watching.
@KonElKent
@KonElKent 4 года назад
I like TMP for the most part, but I'm not blind to its flaws. The only really long effects shot I will defend to the end is the long, slow reveal of the Enterprise as Kirk and Scotty are moving along it in a shuttle. It's where Kirk really falls in love again with the ship, and it really does help to explain some of his dumber pissing contest moments with Decker later.
@whoshotdk
@whoshotdk 4 года назад
WAIT WAIT WAIT ... @3:17 .... The Vietnemese army used Sauron's emblem as their own?!
@philipocallaghan
@philipocallaghan 4 года назад
Wasn't there a character called Pavel somewhere too? Edit, Chekovs' first name was Pavel, coincidence?
@andrewmurray1550
@andrewmurray1550 3 года назад
The author referred to was named John Povill (not Pavel). 4:55 and 5:06
@H3liosphan
@H3liosphan 3 года назад
I'm approaching 50yo, so I grew up on the occasional watch of the original series on reruns, and some animated series, then got properly hooked on all things Trek since 1987 and the arrival of TNG. From there it had pretty much been everything Trek except for later series of Discovery. Picard series was perfection. What I found quite offensive about Lower Decks is how they've turned the entire TNG aesthetic into a teen-appealing bouncy hyperactive American-youngster thing, not fit for appearance on any channel other than Nickelodeon - I can't fathom how anybody who loved TNG back in the 80s & 90s would EVER be able to appreciate it, and yet they've used all the TNG designs and uniforms, etc. Just baffling.
@cheedevulan8547
@cheedevulan8547 2 года назад
I c nothing wrong with TMP whatsoever. Ofcourse though, most of the fandom can't help but whinge and whine, as they did with Generation's and Nemesis. The result of all this, we get lovely bullshit in the form of Discovery, Stupid New Crap and cartoons. Yay! Heh, u reap what u sow.
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