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2006 Porsche 911 C4S Review - Worth it over my 997 C2? 

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Nowadays a clean 2006-2008 997.1 Carrera 4S will run you somewhere around $45-60K. That's roughly 10K more than an equivalent Carrera S, and almost 15K more than a base Carrera. What I'd like to know is - how does the AWD system affect the nine-eleven-y handling characteristic of the 997, and does the 3.8L really make that big a difference over the 3.6? Is the extra $15K really worth it?
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@qikqbn77
@qikqbn77 3 года назад
Glad you enjoyed the 4S. I purchased my 4S primarily for the wide body looks, bigger engine and better brakes. I was also very pleased and impressed with the additional handling in tight corners compared to my friends C2S which also had the power on understeer you mentioned coming out of corners in your car. As you said, you can not go wrong with either one. The brake feel you noticed in the 4S is because the 4S comes with the Turbo's brake controller system which pre-loads the brakes and brings the pads closer to the rotors the moment you release the gas pedal. So it makes for a much tighter bite and responsive brake feel. The Evoms intake, which is what I have also, makes for a really nice sound improvement from 5000-7000 rpm. there are a lot of flavors to chose from which makes it easier, for whatever phase of life you are in, to get the one that appeals to you most.
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 года назад
Good to know about the 4S brake system. I figured it was just down to larger rotors and beefier calipers. Debating if I want to upgrade my base model brakes to the Stoptech 355mm BBK
@qikqbn77
@qikqbn77 3 года назад
@@Zygrene When I would track my C4S, along with my friend who had a C2 base model, the C2 base model's brakes would over heat and boil the brake fluid. At minimum you need to use Motul 600 rbf brake fluid. New pads and bigger rotors will definitely make the brakes feel more responsive, but the big issue on track will be less overheating for sure with larger rotors. Brake pedal may not feel quite as responsive as C4S with Turbo brake controller, but larger rotors and pads will be a nice upgrade, especially for aggressive drivers who like to canyon run and track.
@robertjay1179
@robertjay1179 3 года назад
I have a 997.1 4S and you can hit the Phasm button and then turn off the left switch which will let you have the throaty sound without the extreme tightness. I recommend this car to anyone.
@shadowg11
@shadowg11 2 года назад
Which year?
@TrackMonkey327
@TrackMonkey327 3 года назад
I love your videos. I'm looking at picking up a 997 and find these videos very informative and inspiring. Keep up the great work!
@marcusoutdoors4999
@marcusoutdoors4999 Год назад
Thanks for a very useful review.
@PennywiseM3
@PennywiseM3 3 года назад
Another great review! You need to compare the 997.1 to the 997.2.
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 года назад
I may just have a 997.2 review in the works!
@jklok
@jklok 3 года назад
The pdk paddles had me confused for a second.
@Villajesse
@Villajesse 3 года назад
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one
@frederickcook87
@frederickcook87 3 года назад
Dude should have removed them prior to installing the new wheel
@lionking5687
@lionking5687 2 года назад
Love that bottom end grunt!
@skyy_charger
@skyy_charger 3 года назад
There are reasons turbo's have all wheel drive, improves handling with the higher power. Same with the 4S. It is not about snow and rain, it is about the handling. Although all wheel does come in handy during inclement weather. If you can, take both a rear wheel and a all wheel to the track. If you are new, do it on a HPDE day with instructor. Make your decision. And as mentioned, you can't go wrong with either. A Porsche is a lovely car.
@shadowg11
@shadowg11 2 года назад
What would u recommend for someone who never really had much experience in driving a rwd or awd?? One of my brothers is obsessed with rwd the way he talks about it makes me clearly know he never ever wanted anything other then rwd he complained a lot bout why he did like awd so much I kinda forget what the argument was he makes it sounds like rwd is super superior ultra fun and better in almost every way imaginable not for this specific car but in general he’s apparently a BMW M fanatic specifically rwd coupes … always made me feel like your not a real sport car person and or drive without a rwd coupe as ur daily 😆 But yes please chime in on which would make a better buy especially for someone looking to probably trade out of it sooner than later for a bigger better newer car and loan def looking to getting into 06-09 for now tho
@michaelbender1226
@michaelbender1226 Год назад
If you are right, Porsche forgot the AWD at the GT2 with 700 horsepower. You should wright a letter to Porsche as a reminder..
@jongib6096
@jongib6096 5 месяцев назад
997.2 Coupe Manuals going big 📈
@joe_seppi
@joe_seppi 3 года назад
Thanks for your excellent real world vids, Zygrene. I'm across the pong in the UK and looking to buy a 997 in the next few years and your vids are a fantastic prospective buyers tool for us all. Keep up the good work my friend. SUBSCRIBED!
@gravity45b
@gravity45b 3 года назад
Love seeing these videos. If you're back in SoCal sometime maybe you'd be interested in checking out my lightly modified ND since I noticed you haven't tried any non-stock ones yet
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 года назад
I'm coming down to socal 5/10-11 actually! Shoot me a DM on instagram or email at zygrene@gmail.com 🙂
@carl187
@carl187 3 года назад
Good video.
@lionking5687
@lionking5687 2 года назад
The hundred extra pounds is over the front axles and is a positive on terms of offsetting the rear engine weight
@patrickkim5667
@patrickkim5667 2 года назад
Where did you source your rear .2 conversion from? Fitment looks great!
@oscardriver
@oscardriver 3 года назад
Nice video, but yah. There’s no question the S version is worth the extra .. driving with the sport on is where is at 👌🏼✌🏼
@importraceramimportraceam1756
How does the 997.1 4S compare to an e9x M3 in terms of driving experience?
@jacksonzhong9298
@jacksonzhong9298 3 года назад
911: we use long wheelbase, rear-wheel steering, refined engine placement to overcome Congenital deficiency STI: EVO is for people who can't overcome understeer by themselves
@dezinetech1000
@dezinetech1000 3 года назад
I was in this same predicament. S vs 4s. I opt for the 2s simply because I didn’t want the extra weight and I love rear wheel drive configuration. The c4 felt felt a little heavy vs the c2 in the front end. This video is comparing a 3.6 vs 3.8 so it’s not exactly comparing apples to apples. Great video nonetheless 🙂
@hobear637
@hobear637 2 года назад
Same here, love your channel btw.
@pi11sburydoeboy
@pi11sburydoeboy 11 месяцев назад
Nice mods on the c4s except for the steering wheel. It'd drive me nuts having buttons and paddles that are completely useless
@carreralicious
@carreralicious 3 года назад
I have a stock 07 C2S in manual and I drove my friend’s stock 07 C4S manual, and I was very surprised in that the C4S’s steering was much heavier in slow speeds and felt less fun to toss into corners. I actually didn’t like it at all. I’m glad I didn’t go 4S now.
@gregspark9845
@gregspark9845 2 года назад
The weight of the driveshafts and torque to the front axles take their toll on steering feel, no question. The 2WD is the best driver's car, no question. But the AWD is still a damn fine drive!
@smilepermile8165
@smilepermile8165 3 года назад
Great video Fenton. Just wondering if you've seen superspeedersRob's latest video he did on the S2000? Its the worst S2000 review I've ever seen on RU-vid 😂
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 года назад
No I haven't. I tend to avoid his videos if I'm honest 😬
@smilepermile8165
@smilepermile8165 3 года назад
@@Zygrene I can't agree more. Keep up the great work!
@Fee.1
@Fee.1 3 года назад
Only thing is....what’s the point of a rear engine with “some of the cons negated”
@Akartavor
@Akartavor 2 года назад
Nice video. I currently have an '06 C2 with an 4.0 liter F6I that screams. I used to have an '02 C4 that was amazing around the corners and do believe they track better than the C2's but I think the C2's are a tad quicker. On a track I would have to agree that a C4s would beat a C2s
@shadowg11
@shadowg11 2 года назад
What’s a f6I?
@Akartavor
@Akartavor 2 года назад
@@shadowg11 Flat 6 Innovations. Company that rebuilds engines using better technologies than a standard rebuild.
@shadowg11
@shadowg11 2 года назад
What’s borescoring and ims
@5thcrx
@5thcrx 3 года назад
I test drove a 997.1 base and 997.1S when I was shopping for a 911. I ended up going with the 997.1S, the larger 3.8L engine with a few extra HP did make a difference.
@gregspark9845
@gregspark9845 2 года назад
If you drove them blind I doubt the 0.2sec difference to 100kph would be noticeable. Confirmation bias is strong when you know you're in the bigger engined car. The extra weight of the AWD hardware almost negates the power/torque advantage in the 4S.
@Blackked0ut
@Blackked0ut 2 года назад
What lip kit are you running? I cant find anything for the 997.1 C2S models.
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 2 года назад
I think the C4S had the Techart lip
@deep6thisdeep6this92
@deep6thisdeep6this92 3 года назад
not sure comparing engine sound when aftermarket exhausts are involved is worthwhile. just nit-picking really, the reviews all-in-all are excellent, IMO.
@Calwinn
@Calwinn 3 года назад
Hope you get to review an Accord 2.0T manual one day
@nikosleonardos191
@nikosleonardos191 3 года назад
Soon everyone will realize the GTS is where it’s at
@hellatightdude
@hellatightdude 3 года назад
People have known this. That’s why GTS prices are where they’re at and probably won’t be going much further down.
@Fee.1
@Fee.1 3 года назад
Is it yours more high pitched or is the exhaust mods on this just making it seem that way
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 года назад
Could be the exhaust, but the induction sound is different too
@Fee.1
@Fee.1 3 года назад
@@Zygrene interesting thanks.
@dakariusashby7968
@dakariusashby7968 3 года назад
That's what I drive. Except I didn't check for bore scoring. Oh well, 4L engine should be fun!
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 года назад
Does that mean what I think it does? 😬
@dakariusashby7968
@dakariusashby7968 3 года назад
@@Zygrene If you're thinking a 20k bill, you'd be right!
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 года назад
😧😧😧
@gregspark9845
@gregspark9845 2 года назад
The 997.2 suffers bore scoring too. Probably less frequently, but definite incidence. It's a Pflat6 thing....
@bigword3744
@bigword3744 2 года назад
i think your c2 exhaust got crossed eyed a bit xd
@alexparrott6558
@alexparrott6558 Год назад
Hard to believe it's only 100lbs more
@bigword3744
@bigword3744 2 года назад
Same steering wheel from cayman has no paddles and it would look cleaner
@mullner88
@mullner88 3 года назад
The 3.8 is very monotone all the way through the rev range. An exhaust only seems to amplify that but I’m sure with the right combination of headers/cats/x-pipe it’ can sound better and howl more like the 3.6 does
@Anthony-qh1xv
@Anthony-qh1xv 2 года назад
Yeah, I like the 3.6 more.
@lindamorgan7886
@lindamorgan7886 2 года назад
X51 option on C4S...
@Fee.1
@Fee.1 3 года назад
The 2 or 2s is where it’s at IMO
@nikosleonardos191
@nikosleonardos191 3 года назад
You should check out the GTS
@Fee.1
@Fee.1 3 года назад
@@nikosleonardos191 not even a thing in these generations
@nikosleonardos191
@nikosleonardos191 3 года назад
@@Fee.1 for the 997.2 it is
@Fee.1
@Fee.1 3 года назад
Zingy how? Same rpm right? Revs faster?
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 года назад
Less low/mid range torque. Rewards you more when winding it to redline
@Fee.1
@Fee.1 3 года назад
@@Zygrene Rewards you more or penalize you less for being at low revs...or same thing
@KosmicHRTRacingTeam
@KosmicHRTRacingTeam 2 года назад
Lol. How many times did you try and talk yourself into really believing that you prefer the 3.6 to the 3.8. The only 3.6 that would be preferred to the 3.8 in a 997 would be a GT3 997.1 vs the C2S
@SuperJammy1
@SuperJammy1 2 года назад
Really don't need the 4 wheel drive on a 4s.turbo maybe with the extra power but no need on the lower power versions. Keep with the 2s alot more fun to drive and lighter.
@Fee.1
@Fee.1 3 года назад
I don’t think the wide body’s look much different at all on the 996+
@mortenberg2897
@mortenberg2897 2 года назад
The C2 is by far the choice for me. A much more pure 911 with the right balance. I even prefer the 3,6 engine over the 3,8. Runs better and smoother …..
@Anthony-qh1xv
@Anthony-qh1xv 2 года назад
The 3.6 sounds better.
@madsupervilian.
@madsupervilian. 3 года назад
C2 is way more fun to drive than the C4S.
@Fee.1
@Fee.1 3 года назад
Nahhh
@StirlingMossDrives
@StirlingMossDrives 3 года назад
Honestly for this money, get into a Camaro SS 1le. Performance, feel, and reliability is leaps ahead of these.
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 года назад
One of the cars I really really want to drive. The ZL1 1LE I reviewed was too much for the street but the SS with magneride and less power sounds perfect
@wasimgotauzi9756
@wasimgotauzi9756 3 года назад
911 is in a different league
@StirlingMossDrives
@StirlingMossDrives 3 года назад
@@Zygrene Yea I commented this before hahah with the same response. You really have to try the ss 1le. Make that a mandatory car to review. Really want to know your thoughts on it.
@StirlingMossDrives
@StirlingMossDrives 3 года назад
Old 911s are not in a different league. I pass a bunch of these on track, given they arn’t the best drivers. The ss1le beats the old gen 1 gt4 on track. I was glued behind one this past weekend with an instructor driving. He was on cup 2s and I was on conti extreme contact sports. If I was on a better tire I would probably drive right through him. Watch some of my videos. Don’t be a loyalist and open your mind.
@wasimgotauzi9756
@wasimgotauzi9756 3 года назад
@@StirlingMossDrives 911 is way more special and not basic and cookie cutter..But if ur going for times 1le is a better choice
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