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2009 Aston Martin V8 Vantage vs 2011 BMW E90 M3 - Head to Head Review! 

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A 2009-2016 4.7L Aston Martin V8 Vantage commands around $25K more than a BMW E9x M3 in comparable condition. Both have a naturally aspirated V8 producing over 400hp, a 6 speed manual option, hydraulic steering, an upscale interior, and a curb weight near 3600 lbs. So is the British hand-built GT really worth the extra money?
2009 Aston Martin V8 Vantage mod list:
Velocity AP Twin Plate Clutch
Velocity AP Stage 2 Tune
Velocity AP Secondary Cat Delete
Apex VS5-RS (19x10,19x11), 265/305 Conti ECS 02
Clear Taillights, V12 side skirts
2011 BMW E90 M3 Competition mod list:
Ohlins R&T coilovers
Front monoballs
Solid rear subframe bushings
Poly diff bushings
Front camber plates (-2.5 degrees)
Yokohama V601 tires
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Комментарии : 96   
@jacksonrapaich2179
@jacksonrapaich2179 3 месяца назад
Owner of the Vantage here, Fenton was once again spot on with this awesome head to head. I sold an e92 for this Vantage and have zero regrets.
@TheJamesicle
@TheJamesicle 3 месяца назад
Fellow Vantage owner here (2012 V8 S); regarding heel-toe, there is an aftermarket pedal designed for better heel-toe available. Search 'V8 Vantage heel toe pedal' and it'll come up. Relatively cheap and easy way to fix it.
@jacksonrapaich2179
@jacksonrapaich2179 3 месяца назад
@@TheJamesicle Thanks! Actually already ordered one a couple weeks back. Other point on brakes is true, my pads are old and pretty worn, hoping new ones will help firm up initial bite
@mariuszzurawski498
@mariuszzurawski498 2 месяца назад
Thinking of going the same route
@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess
@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess Месяц назад
Good for you. Doesn't mean sh*t. Certainly doesn't make it objectively better than the BMW
@willwang9936
@willwang9936 3 месяца назад
lovely comparison video! being a 15’ vantage owner, i have to agree with lots of the point out here. the heel toe doesn’t work. the car is not about being a precision engineered laptop but it does retain a lot of soul and character even if it doesn’t do things the best. it’s the attitude the car has is what makes me accept the flaws and imperfections.
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 месяца назад
Perfectly summarized.
@clu4u
@clu4u 3 месяца назад
In other words you have a British POS 🎉😂❤
@griffinhb
@griffinhb 3 месяца назад
Yes! Great comparison. I literally just thought about these two cars and googled how they compared and here is a video that’s just a few hours old. The internet is working! Lol. Thanks for making this. You delivered the details very well.
@amill1563
@amill1563 3 месяца назад
Love the details in your description in order to paint a real life picture of driving and impressions.
@colin91m3
@colin91m3 3 месяца назад
Great video! I was able to drive the Aston for a bit and my thoughts were exactly the same. I am happy with my M3 but holy guacamole is the Aston a great car.
@benenglert3401
@benenglert3401 3 месяца назад
Exact review I needed. The Aston lust is strong lately.
@sdlausen1
@sdlausen1 3 месяца назад
Next - install some cameras on the exterior of the car. Also, maybe some 3rd person shots of the car taking corners would be great! Love the content!
@PeterC-c2c
@PeterC-c2c 3 месяца назад
Well done. Spot on review. I have a V8 Vantage and a B7 RS4, rather than a Bimmer, although I've driven an E92 (which I found a bit too tail happy in the wet to inspire confidence). I could say almost the same things comparing my two cars. The Audi has a beautiful gearshift (the Aston not), but the Aston's steering is in a different league. All in all, the Aston is more difficult to place/drive, but is also more fun at 9/10ths because of the inherent balance (though I still can't believe how balletic the RS4 is despite that lump of iron hanging out front). In the winter, the Aston stays home. The RS4 is so reassuring to drive fast in all conditions.
@rnlbluernlblue1380
@rnlbluernlblue1380 2 месяца назад
Great review! I have a v12 Vantage manual and the sound and driving dynamics are great! Heal toe is difficult!! I also have a 458 and GT4RS and I have challenges picking a favorite. The Aston is an event every time I get in!
@justaddafan
@justaddafan 3 месяца назад
I'm glad you got to take a Vantage out to the canyons. Steering feel was one of the most pleasant surprises for me when I first drove mine. One thing you didn't mention is the chassis balance. The car is just slightly rear weight biased at 49/51 and it's very controllable and playful. Such a special car.
@SicSemperBeats
@SicSemperBeats 3 месяца назад
I already knew what the verdict was going to be before watching, especially when he mentioned camber plates up front. -2 ish front camber on an e9x transforms corner entry
@alphonsemonthei8878
@alphonsemonthei8878 3 месяца назад
Good comparison! Hard to argue with the value proposition of the M3.
@derickpnw
@derickpnw 3 месяца назад
I was literally just making this comparison in my head and this popped up!
@IAmTheHound
@IAmTheHound 3 месяца назад
Cool video and an interesting comparison. I own a similar Aston V8 Vantage - also a manual 2009 - although mine is a roadster. The M3 is a great proposition: it looks handsome (especially compared to today's monstrosities by the brand), is obviously way more practical than the Aston, with proper back seats, a decent boot, etc. And it's cheaper. For a daily car it's going to be the better choice for most, especially if you have a family. However, for a fun, weekend car (as mine is), the Aston is a no-brainer. The roar of its V8 (even better with the roof down), the beautiful interior... the LOOKS; while the Beemer is good looking the V8 Vantage of this generation has all-time-great looks. The exotic badge. The way it makes you feel is very special indeed, from getting in, to firing up the engine, driving it on twisty roads, to parking it and the inevitable glance back after you've locked it. Absolutely stunning all-round experience.
@houseking9211
@houseking9211 Месяц назад
I think when it comes to your primary gripes with the Vantage, you can solve at least 2 of them fairly cheaply. The brakes would be made a lot better with some more aggressive (or just new) pads. There's a heel and toe kit for the vantage that brings the throttle away from the transmission tunnel and makes it easier. The expensive fix would be the suspension. Ohlins, at least according to most endurance racing teams, make the best dampers for getting the most out of a car on track. They don't have a road and track option for the vantage, but K&W would probably improve the handling by a decent ammount.
@TheBucketOfTruth
@TheBucketOfTruth 3 месяца назад
"Gearing is really long... 2nd gear seems to go to 70mph" Me over here crying in 718 GT4 manual topping out at like 83.
@RudyP18
@RudyP18 3 месяца назад
I had a 2011 E92 M3 coupe for many years and have had a 2010 V8V since about the same time. Enjoyed both but sold the M3 and kept the Vantage and plan to keep it forever. Both great cars but the Vantage is more special which is why I still have it. That said, I wouldn’t mind getting another E90 or E92 M3 at some point but when I wanted something practical for the kids I actually went older and got an E34 M5.
@szymonstamonsta
@szymonstamonsta 3 месяца назад
nice review! I think you referred to the Aston as a 2+2 at the start of the video- it's a 2 seater only though, right? I wonder if the pedal placement is an issue on the RHD version? You mentioned the Aston's inferior brake feel but I think that comes down to stock pads/fluid, with decent pads and fluid the Aston's brakes should be superior to the BMW. As used car propositions, the other thing to consider is the Aston's V8 is dry-sump whereas the S55 is not - is the Aston better suited to withstand high G track use?
@1855Media
@1855Media 3 месяца назад
The V8 Vantage is a “2 + 2” coupe? I don’t recall any model of the V8 Vantage having rear seats
@VantageOwner
@VantageOwner 3 месяца назад
It's a 2 seater
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 месяца назад
I misspoke! Thanks for the correction.
@dylanriley2707
@dylanriley2707 3 месяца назад
It is funny, I never thought about comparing these cars, but I owned a 2008 E92 M3 and loved it but sold it to 'move up the ladder'. I considered replacing my base E92 M3 with a top spec E92 M3 competition package, a 2015 V8V GT (but I was not thinking about a direct comparison or head to head w. my old E92 M3), an R8 V8 (I was thinking about as a direct comparison to my E92 M3), and a 996 Turbo. Ultimately, I could not bring myself to spend R8 money and 'only' have an engine that was too similar to my old M3's, plus the interior of an R8 V8 does not feel that special; I almost bought a V8V GT, but it got scooped up right before I was ready to place money on it; and I knew if I got another E92, even in dark blue and competition package with OEM+ upgrades I would always wonder what those 'higher end' sports cars would be like. I came across an X50 package 996 in Zanzibar Red with factory aero kit, all kinds of paint to match goodies on the side and fell in love. It was more expensive than the Aston and top spec E92, but a touch cheaper than the R8 V8. I bought it, just waiting for some repairs to be done on the other side of the country before I get it shipped to me. Cannot wait for the first mountain road drive in it :) Love the channel Fenton! Would love to see some Porsche 718 6-cyl caymans and 997 GTS vs Ferrari 348/355/430/360/599 content. I think the F430 is ultimately where I want to go (Silverstone grey, challenge wheels, black Daytona seats, Capristo exhaust, and manual convert it (who can afford a factory manual lol). But I certainly do NOT think I would want to give up my one of a kind factory 996 Turbo for it. Lastly, Fenton, you need to come up to interior BC, we have incredible driving roads up here, world class wineries, and your dollar can buy a ton relative to ours. Have you ever been to Area 27? Absolutely stunning track! Hope to hand you the keys if you come up here.
@drewmorg.
@drewmorg. 3 месяца назад
Can we get some C5's in the canyon??
@tommyfreckmann6857
@tommyfreckmann6857 3 месяца назад
Having tracked my Vantage a fair amount... the heel-toe is not only limited by the pedal, but, in my opinion due to lack of pedal response, it would be significantly remedied by a lightweight flywheel. The pedal, with driving shoes, can be done pretty well, but, you must really jab at the throttle due to unresponsiveness.
@jacksonrapaich2179
@jacksonrapaich2179 3 месяца назад
Tune and twin plate clutch significantly help as well
@itspronouncedjello
@itspronouncedjello 3 месяца назад
Ah yes, the classic Bond chased by a black BMW scenario. Both of these sound glorious!
@VantageOwner
@VantageOwner 3 месяца назад
I just picked up a 4.3, I think in terms of price, it's a better comparison with the E9x than the 4.7
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 месяца назад
Yeah that's definitely a closer comparison
@manar_belaid_007
@manar_belaid_007 3 месяца назад
incredible how they're both almost equally gorgeous and beautiful with the price differences
@mogulme6190
@mogulme6190 3 месяца назад
Nahhh the Aston is next level beautiful
@mfujiii
@mfujiii 3 месяца назад
my e90 m3 w the dct tune almost feels like pdk its that crisp. interesting comparison! but it makes sense
@RichardJohnson-rr9gh
@RichardJohnson-rr9gh 2 месяца назад
Ohlins coilovers - $3500; Camber plates- $500; spherical bushings $1000 (est f&r) poly bushings plus at least $5000 in labor and alignment will improve your turn-in, but also leave you with a noisy, harsh, and ultimately unpleasant car to drive on the street. Great for track days, not so great any and everywhere else. Ask me how I know.
@BboySlashGNR
@BboySlashGNR 3 месяца назад
Great comparison between the two indeed. I came from an E93 M3 and moved to a 4.3 roadster. Granted the power and torque difference isnt as profound as your comparison, the way the Vantage handles is simply sublime, almost telepathic. Not forgetting the fact that my E93 was a really heavy girl compared to the Aston, but man, there’s so much more feel to the Roadster. Also, what you said at 13:05 summed this up perfectly. The Aston feels so much more premium compared to my E93.
@TYAC_TPE_SF-Bay
@TYAC_TPE_SF-Bay 3 месяца назад
The transaxle is already a win for me.
@richsimpson450
@richsimpson450 3 месяца назад
All those mods to the M3 and the owner hasn’t done the OEM exhaust mod? I’m an SF Bay Area guy and had an E90 for 7 years. It is THE best bang for the buck mod. A couple hundred bucks and a trip to Minute Muffler in Dublin will convert that baby to how it should have sounded form the factory - it sings at high RPM and is nasty at cold start with no drone at low RPM.
@ultimatist
@ultimatist 3 месяца назад
Are the Dublin guys messing with the cat? Or what's the mod you're referring to?
@richsimpson450
@richsimpson450 3 месяца назад
No mods to cat. They just drop the oem muffler, cut it open, replace the perforated pipes inside with solid pipes, weld them back together, weld the top back on the muffler, and put it back up and in. Should be vids on RU-vid of the process. Excellent mod. Cost me $250 back in 2017. I’m sure it’s more now but way less than the very expensive aftermarket options. Search RU-vid and you can hear sound clips.
@ultimatist
@ultimatist 3 месяца назад
@@richsimpson450 interesting, thanks. Did you feel any HP/TQ difference, or is it only sound and vibration improvements?
@colin91m3
@colin91m3 3 месяца назад
It definitely needs some louder pipes! I was considering the mod, but heard it can corrode around the welds and start to rattle after a few years. I am waiting for a good deal on a M Performance or Akra muffler to pop up. Although, OEM mufflers are relatively cheap so maybe it's worth the risk? How is yours holding up?
@richsimpson450
@richsimpson450 3 месяца назад
⁠​⁠​⁠@@ultimatistjust the sound, but as you know, it’s great! @colin91m3 I’d say go for it. It’s a cheap mod. I had it for 4 or 5 years before I sold the car in ‘21. No issues with rust or rattling. Minute Muffler is a very well known and regarded shop, so you don’t have to worry about it being an amateurish hack job.
@maximus9401
@maximus9401 3 месяца назад
I really am starting to get into these NA V8 gt sports cars. Great comparison with E9x M3 and V8 Vantage. I'd like to throw the Mustang into this too. After your Dark Horse track review, it really put those cars on the radar for me. I'm really considering a Mach 1 in the future depending on their price. Correct me if I'm wrong but you haven't driven just a regular Z51 C7 Corvette with manual yet right? I'd love to see that car along with other V8 manual coupes as a comparison and see if there's value in the market for those cars. I'd consider it if cross-shopping
@jonasbaine3538
@jonasbaine3538 3 месяца назад
shame ford never brought the ford falcon sedans to usa.
@TheBb6prelude
@TheBb6prelude 3 месяца назад
The mustang BOSS 302 would be the closest comparison to these cars. It has a road runner engine.
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 месяца назад
Correct - the only C7 I've driven is the ZR1. I've heard great things about the Z51 and especially Grand Sport.
@TassieLorenzo
@TassieLorenzo 2 месяца назад
@@jonasbaine3538 I don't think you want to drive a Ford Falcon this hard! The rear tyres were never particularly wide and it doesn't have much rear grip. Just check out an Australian track test of the Holden Commodore SS-V (Chevrolet SS) against the Falcon XR8. Let's just say the Falcon is not good (sideways everywhere, lol).
@TassieLorenzo
@TassieLorenzo 2 месяца назад
@@jonasbaine3538 The track test video is called "Ingall and Skaife ... Final Showdown". They are both professional racing drivers, so I don't think it's a driver issue.
@raomotorsports
@raomotorsports Месяц назад
Quite a quirky comparison indeed! One of the first times an E9X M3 came out as inferior 😢
@enzo9230
@enzo9230 3 месяца назад
Thanks for this interesting comparison! Does anyone else think the 2008-2012 V8 Vantage is the best model in the lineup, with its 4.7L engine and improved dynamics while preserving its stunning design? In my opinion, the rear diffuser and front splitter introduced in 2012 disrupt the overall coherence of the V8 Vantage's design, losing the original near-perfect proportions of the car.
@kylebelle246
@kylebelle246 2 месяца назад
Literally 100% agree. Especially about the post 2012 front splitter and rear diffuser, i love that the exhaust goes through holes the rear bumper rather than the bumper having a cutout around the whole space. Basically my dream car is like a 2008 - 2010 4.7 v8 vantage only because of the new key fab and slightly updated center console. other than those 2 things i would even take a 2007 4.3L
@jeffg4008
@jeffg4008 3 месяца назад
Love the Aston but for that money my money would pointed at a TypeF Jag, or a C6 Z06 Centennial or Carbon Edition
@FurkanCemTurfanda
@FurkanCemTurfanda 3 месяца назад
I'm literally torn between these two right now and this video gets posted. It's almost fate lol.
@andrewrossnagel9433
@andrewrossnagel9433 3 месяца назад
If you're buying and leaving stock then go with Aston. If you're looking to mod it then there is no comparison. Plus e9x community is extremely vast
@johnadcock6852
@johnadcock6852 3 месяца назад
A comparison I'm forced to make every time I go out to the garage. 😅 With the exception my M3 is a DTC E92. The M3 is a better driver. better built, and sounds better. The V8V is GORGEOUS, sounds great, and attracts attention everywhere you go. Sooner or later I'll probably need to make a choice. For now, they're different cars for different purposes.
@shazmaster
@shazmaster 3 месяца назад
audi r8 v8 manual vs a new v8 vantage s? I think that would be a great review too even tho they serve different purposes ( mr vs fr and awd vs rwd)
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 месяца назад
Even R8 V8 vs this older generation of V8 Vantage would be interesting
@shazmaster
@shazmaster 3 месяца назад
@@Zygrene Yup, I was thinking the 2012 model sorry, that was when the S was introduced - however same engine and the mods equipped to the one you reviewed makes up and more for the disparity in power
@jonasbaine3538
@jonasbaine3538 3 месяца назад
E90 with DCT is sublime.
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 месяца назад
It really is, but 3 pedals for me please
@terrydu1572
@terrydu1572 3 месяца назад
Put the Ferrari California v8 or cali t in these comparison list. We love to see
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 месяца назад
Need to find some generous owners!
@carreralicious
@carreralicious 3 месяца назад
I’m considering selling my 997 for the Aston. Have driven a couple of them and the sound from the V8 is glorious. The only thing that annoys me is that since I have a long torso, my head is up by the top of the windshield so my view out is not the greatest.
@SicSemperBeats
@SicSemperBeats 3 месяца назад
Really? I feel like the 997 is the new speculators' car. Seems like it will be worth much more in a year or two
@carreralicious
@carreralicious 3 месяца назад
@@SicSemperBeatsI don’t really care about the future value of the car though. I care about what I will enjoy driving. Life’s too short to worry about out resale value. 😂
@augustortiz
@augustortiz 3 месяца назад
I love e9X M3’s to death but c’mon.. no comparison here.
@BobbyAngmalaysia
@BobbyAngmalaysia 18 дней назад
Astons are very reliable.
@Unicornpirate
@Unicornpirate 3 месяца назад
V12 Vantage with a 6 speed manual when?
@Zygrene
@Zygrene 3 месяца назад
When I can find a willing owner!
@RolanTHUNDER
@RolanTHUNDER 3 месяца назад
I'd definitely take Vantage over that M3. Sucks about the awkward heel/toe pedal setup though.
@TheEightSixEight
@TheEightSixEight 3 месяца назад
Vantage is certainly not a “2+2” coupe.
@RudyP18
@RudyP18 3 месяца назад
Both 2+2 coupes?
@willwang9936
@willwang9936 3 месяца назад
vantage is a pure 2 seater.
@RudyP18
@RudyP18 3 месяца назад
@@willwang9936 Sorry - that was sarcasm, I have a Vantage.
@27Ctrojans
@27Ctrojans 3 месяца назад
The e90 m3 is such a good daily of you can afford all that gas guzzling
@faizelphilander6938
@faizelphilander6938 3 месяца назад
Not a like for like comparison,but I like the BMW more. Nice video though.
@DjNikGnashers
@DjNikGnashers 3 месяца назад
Comparing a 2 seater sports car, costing 30 grand more, to a 4 door family saloon with large rear seats ? It doesn't really make any sense. If I wanted a fast family saloon, I'd buy the M3, but if I wanted a fast 2 seater sports car I'd buy a Porsche.
@patrickbateman7122
@patrickbateman7122 3 месяца назад
Sorry can't take this seriously, you're scared of the bends...
@sebastiankaiser5165
@sebastiankaiser5165 3 месяца назад
What is it with SoCal car youtubers and heel and toeing? Dude, I know literal race car drivers that do not see it as a necessity in race driving. Your skills are so far removed of heel and toe making a difference. Also, if you feel the need to heel and toe to not unsettle the car during braking you’re waaaay over the limit for a public road anyhow.
@jsonli
@jsonli 3 месяца назад
it's not purely a performance thing - there are a lot of practical situations where you want to heel toe - any time you want to slow down and be in the correct gear once you're down slowing down. for example you unexpectedly need to slow down because someone pulls out in front of you, change lanes, then accelerate. you can't always downshift before. it's also fun.
@RobertRedford77
@RobertRedford77 3 месяца назад
Aston all the way
@RobertRedford77
@RobertRedford77 3 месяца назад
Why are you fixated on heel/toe?
@masterkendro
@masterkendro 3 месяца назад
Driver input feel is important to most enthusiasts, really any feel is. I get why you may be irritated by it, but honestly, I've shopped cars in the past that I've completely passed on because the 6 speed transmission felt way too cheap (loose and rubberized).
@iiijwsss
@iiijwsss 3 месяца назад
Because he's trying to drive the car well and it's not great for heel and toe. He's frustrated. It's not a huge deal once you get used to it but it is unnerving when you first jump into the car. Plus, everything else about the Vantage is so nice, the little flaws really stand out.
@craigyirush3492
@craigyirush3492 3 месяца назад
Because if you’re driving fast and you don’t rev match on downshifts you upset the car. The only way to brake and downshift at the same time is to heel and toe.
@sebastiankaiser5165
@sebastiankaiser5165 3 месяца назад
@@craigyirush3492if you go so fast as to upset the car without H‘n‘T you‘re waaaay over street speed anyhow and nobody takes the Aston on track, so…
@craigyirush3492
@craigyirush3492 3 месяца назад
@@sebastiankaiser5165 thanks, Dad.
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