I like fords and I'm a ford guy but really...im embarrassed by this comparison. I mean obviously the ford isn't that powerful compared to the ram 4500 because they had to compare it with a 3500. That's just sad...
Ram and GM simply upgrades their 3500's to handle more loads, instead of doing that Ford just makes a F450. These two trucks are matched for capability. Model numbers are only brand relative
murmaider2 He claims he is a Ford guy, but if he was really a truck guy he would get that. No one goes into a dealership expecting the same model designation to be true between Toyota, or Honda, or Ford, or GM, but for some strange reasons they think they should when it comes to trucks. F-150, F-250, F-350, F-450, they are model designations, not indicators of ability. If Ford decided tomorrow to call the F-150, an F-2000, that doesn't mean it will suddenly be the best and strongest truck they market, it will just mean that's it's new name.
will this how you line them for towing : 1- ram 3500 ( because it has the most towing 30,000 lbs ) 2- F-350 ( 26,000 lbs ) 3- chevy/gm 3500 ( 23,570 lbs ) but i think with ford new HP & TORQUE it will pass the ram .
mohammadkwt Ford engineers deemed that the 350 chassis is not safe for towing 30k lbs, Ram is toying with peoples safety giving a 30k rating on a 3500 chassis just to be "best in class". The only difference between the 350 and 450 is suspension. You can see that the Ram does not have the guts to haul that load in this review.
With all due respect for all makes of trucks, I didn't buy my 2005 Ram 2500 with the 610 cummins with the 6 speed manual to be the first one up the hills, I bought it to be the one up and down the hills reliably. I don't have engine and trans brake downs. I'm over 150,000 miles on the original clutch and brakes. My Ram was built for longevity and that's why I bought it. You can keep your $74,000,00 trucks that cost thousands to repair when you get a bad batch of fuel. No thanks. Trusty 5.9L just won't quit!
Cat? Expensive to buy, expensive to maintain, and ridiculously overpriced to repair and buy parts for, hence why no more cat truck engines. Overpriced themselves out of the segment. Thank god no more yellow road oilers!
We had a bunch of the acert cats and junk. 3408 was the only good engine they built. Could twist a Pete in half! Cummins N14 or ISX is the shit. Keep your litter box wonders. I think the chemo is kicking in cause I feel like shit and don't care!
I've been in a salvage business for over 10 years now for towing / hauling cummins is the most reliable and the easies engine to work on. 6.6 duramax is good too but cummins just goes and goes friend of mine has an 07 ram 3500 currently has 672 thousand miles on it bought it new and hauls 3 car trailer 3-5 days a week try to do that with a ford or chevy.
For all of you that are complaining about the F450. The badging is only brand relevant. GM and Ram have towing packages for their 3500's that make them 30k+ lbs towing capable, instead of doing that Ford just makes a truck labeled F450. Capability wise, these are matched.
SuperImmunologist no, it means that Ford engineers decided that the 350 chassis is not safe enough to tow these kinds of loads, the only difference between the 350 and 450 is suspension.
So the 3500 ram is equivalent to the 450 then, because you just stated that the 3500 ram is superior to the 350 due to the suspension configuration of the 350 and 450
murmaider2 the difference between the 350 & 450 is much more than suspension. They run different axles, axle ratios, brakes, wheels/tires, transmission and frame. Also the commercial trucks run a different tune on the engine and tranny than the smaller trucks
No there not,the F450 has deeper gearing,and 19.5" commercial tires,as a z450 should,they are not the same,if they are ford should just drop the f350 DRW since they aren't using it to compete with competitors 1 tons..
Luis Rizo the f450 is equivilant to the 3500s. Just because theres a 350 in each trucks model name doesn't mean that those trucks are equally matched. This test was done right, its not like chevy and doge have 4500s.... both trucks were as well equipt as you can get
When I get my dually I don't care how many Fords, Rams or Chevys blow by me. I'm not looking to race. Longevity is the goal. Good maintenance is key to that no matter what make. My preference is Cummins. It can be slower all day and I won't change my mind. That Cummins sound!
Slow. because they have to give it less power. Cause the transmission is made of goo and plastic. I'll keep my Duramax. it's faster and just as reliable and pulls awesome.
You are all idiots for believing the results from this as pure evidence. Both trucks are provided by ford, the load weight is provided by Ford, the location is also provided by Ford, and both drivers work for Ford. Now let me ask you this: Do you honestly think Ford would put themselves into a position where their truck would be outperformed? I am in no way a fan of Dodge, but if I'm buying a Diesel truck, my money is going behind a Cummins Diesel.
ckkile personally I think dodge's new trucks look nice, but I wouldn't own one of their gas trucks. Give me a cummins with the six-speed manual (something no one else offers anymore short of a stripped down work truck) and youve got a great truck.
mark shuler actually, you can't buy a manual transmission in ANY Ford Pickup sold in the US new today, in GM products, you have to get a mini-truck (their Colorado platform) you can't get it in a 1500 or up, and for Ram, you can only get it behind the Cummins diesel.. (but you can get it from the Tradesman to the Laramie editions, but not the Longhorn Laramie)
This is a FORD commercial. Sad that ford had to use a F450 vs a 3500. Next week ford will be "comparing" their new ford mustang with a super charger TO a 1984 YUGO.
As an independent auto transporter, having owned both, here's my take. The engine compartment in the ford is crammed making repair costs a bitch. Ford has a nasty death wobble, new set of tires every 2 months. It's not as capable of a truck as they make it out to be, the ram is a fantastic truck.
onebad cummins numbers on a badge don't mean anything, they're both capable of towing 30,000+ pounds, but I'd still pick ford because they've kinda proved themselves better than dodge's POS caterpill wannabe engine. The only problem ford ever had with their early emissions engines was the 6.0 EGR causing headgaskets to fail. Easy fix with a delete and ARP head studs
Stupid cummins people can't even spell. Ford didn't cheat it has been verified. Also if you knew anything about trucks you would know the ram4500 tows less than 3500 shithead.
Your channel has just lost a lot of credibility as far as I am concerned. On your truck site this is labeled as a 2015 Ford F450 vs a 2014 RAM 3500. Why not a Ford F350? I am no expert, but this does not seem like an equal comparison to me and I have a feeling that you know that it isn't a fair comparison either. So how much did Ford pay you for this commercial?
The ford is pulling more weight than the ram was. And they even had a second ford that was pulling even more wight than the first on and it still passed the ram.m
This entire video was put together by Ford. It was Ford who provided the trucks, the drivers, everything. And it was just shown on the TFLtruck channel. This entire video was nothing but a Ford commercial. I certainly do not dislike Ford, but this whole thing was just a joke. In my opinion, and I will admit that I may be wrong about this, but this is just my take on that particular video.
Yes it is very possible that ford did do something to make it unfair, but if anyone were to find out they would be in some serious shit. But you do have to remember,the ford does have the highest towing capacity
Thats funny at the end he said it was his job to let ford win and why is someone from ford driving the ram, AND WHY is the f450 vs 3500 should be 4500 ram and there's 3 people in the ram and he was looking in the mirror ever five seconds to slow down and let the struggling f450 catch up.
I love my 6.7 cummins 3500. It pulls my 3 car wedge all day along from Arizona-Washington. It's really a great truck for work and it takes the beating every day. 2014 3 months at 35,000 miles. Sometimes I pull 32k loaded and it doesn't even cry. Fords. Great truck too but to each his own. I know a guy with a f-550 Laramie and the first 800 miles from the dealer he threw a rod out the side of the block. Warranty replaced it obviously but what the hell?
I love a Ford till the day I die but I don't like this comparison. It should have been Ram 3500 to Ford F-350 max tow to max tow. I feel a little embarrassed that my Ford brethren would think this is cool. Come on guys, play nice.
Its not that much different. The 350/450 have the same engine and tranny. I'd take either the Ford or the Ram. I've been a Ford guy all my life. I bought a 97 1500 Dodge Ram last year. Its got 267,000 on original motor/tranny. I like it. Dana 60 fr/r axles. Shes a beast. Little hard on gas. It will never replace my 76 f-250 Highboy though. :)
Totally agree with you on it. But let's be honest the f350 would still win the motor and such is the same. Only difference between 350 and 450 is suspension capabilities
I had a 2011 f250. And now have a 2012 ram 3500. Both are great trucks and will do what u need them too. I'm just a fan of the cummins engine they're very reliable. Even ford uses the 6.7 cummins engine in their medium duty trucks f-650-750. So that definitely gives the nod to the cummins to me. m.ford.com/commercial-trucks/f650-f750/2015/highlightsdetails/?hid=2 Love the competition we all benefit from it. Glad each brand keeps the others on there toes.
Steven DeGroot Cummins may pull out of Dodge too. Ever since they went to their Fiat diesel in their 1500, Cummins didn't like that. That's why the new Titian is getting a 5.0 diesel from Cummins, It was going to be put into the 1500 Ram but they got that shitty 3.0 Ecodiesel (Fiat).
Hayden Smith They're new at making all their own stuff and suck at it in the moment as far as reliability is concerned. I'm sure they'll get better at it as time passes though.
The Ford Devils are so proud that they finally managed to build something that works properly that they decided to go up against a real truck. It wasn't actually a fair match, but it won't be fair for the customer either. Fix Or Repair Daily
+Cody Baker if you knew what I see what Ford is considered as a good frame you wouldn't buy one eather, I like all diesel engines. I know Ram's front suspension is crap and I know the automatic transmission sucks but i rather deal with that than a frame braking in half.
+automatic4wd Faculty well he'll I've own let's see.03 ,05, 08,14,in my frames all held up and are still holding up.so until one does brake in half I'm continue giving ford my business.but your right too I like all diesel engines I'm not the guy that hates on dodge or Chevy but ima ford man and that's just the bottom line.amd yeah the 6.0s were shit I know.but my 6.4 and 6.7 I have now take care of me so ima take care if them.
anybody who does any real towing knows it's not how fast you can go but how far you can go without breaking down.... hands down the Cummins builds the most reliable hd diesel... ford has always relied on marketing to fool people into thinking they're better... they may sell more trucks than the others but it doesn't mean they're the best...
hownaml No fleet owner is going to continue to buy an unreliable product, it doesn't make financial sense to buy something that is going to be broken down on the side of the road at any price. You can believe what you want but it's the fleets that work these trucks harder then the average consumer and if they aren't making them money they won't use them. simple as that.
Armand no, but we aren't talking hamburgers here now are we. We are talking about trucks that run upwards of $60,000 dollars and probably paid for over the course of 5 or more years. Now if you think that a hamburger is a favorable comparison for a sixty thousand dollar truck then I guess there isn't much else to say to you.
highjix Actually, my father's boss buys the cheapest junk he can find because he pays his "mechanics" next to nothing to keep them functioning "good enough" for his meth head drivers, and stacks the odds for the occasional manufacturer rebuild here & there. And the only time he rebuilds is when he doesn't have a wreck to have his grease monkeys yank the motor from. He has a tow rig for on the back of a standard fifth wheel and has the company do its own fetching. So no, not all companies buy the best of the best to NEVER break down. They sometimes buy what's cheap and "good enough."
dchawk81 I assume you have more proof then a second hand source that we can actually check. I am pretty sure everyone has a friends boss's cousin story that backs up their argument. right.
They may be close but from what I read on the website about each truck the F450 has 55 more horsepower and 10 more lbft of torque, which is enough to make somewhat of a difference between the two.
masoroo818 GM actually put most of the engineering work into the DMax, so it is effectively their design. It was developed for GM's trucks specifically, and is not used in other applications. Same goes for the 4.5 DMax they currently have shelved.
+?.Information .Retriever (G.I.R) No, actually it isn't... a Ram 1500 and an F-250 are different GVWR. The F-450 and the Ram 3500HD are the same GVWR, just different names/badging. You can call the F-450 an F-350HD if you want.
?.Information .Retriever The F-250 through F-550 have the same frame and engine though. Same part numbers. The difference is the springs and axles, and a higher rear lift block. The original F-450 pickup used to have a Dana 110 rear, but insurance companies would only cover it as a commercial vehicle so it was downgraded to a Dana 80. The cab-chassis F-450 and the pickup F-450 are not the same truck.
I like the ram more the Cummins is a lot easier to work on then the 6.7 power stroke the engine is cramped in the Ford being a V8 not a straight 6 that the ram has
Nice watch, thanx TFLT. The RAM did great against a bigger opponent, totally acceptable performance, it didnt get humiliated at any point. One only need to ask oneself how much steep grade towing does one do on a normal day, if the answer is "24/7" then get the F450, if not im all RAM.
Thanks for the kind words. We had a great time in West Virginia. What a wonderful and beautiful state. Too bad it just pissed down rain the entire time we were there. Oh well...next time.
The Fast Lane Truck Did you check out some of the great full nudity and full bar strip joints? Plenty in that town, just avoid the all the meth heads. lol
Yes, we were wondering about those ahhhh gentlemen's clubs. There are many billboards advertising them on the route. Sorry to say that Ford did not host a lunch at one of these Southern businesses ;-)
The Fast Lane Truck just wondering what your thoughts are on this article www.autonews.com/article/20140811/RETAIL03/308119960/pickup-payload-u-turn-gm-bases-rating-on-curb-weight
I think that they should have a performance data recorder to show all the temperatures, throttle position and the shift patterns to compare how each truck acts under the strain of the challenge
Can we all take a moment, push aside the fanboy fights, and appreciate the fact that we can now go out and spend ~$60K on a truck that can pull 30,000lbs? Both are impressive.
I bet you're not even using the big Dodge Engine, with the 6.7L , 910 ft.Lbs. Your comparing axle ratios on two different models, ie the ram 3500 is a 1 ton, with a 3.73 and 4.10 gears, but the ram 4500 has a 4.44 and 4.56. And It's not HorsePower pulling you up the hill, that would be Torque. If hp could do the job better, we would have 500hp 2.0L twin turbo 4 cylinder truck engines that would get 30 mpg. And i personally wouldnt brag that your engines are made, in house. And Dodge just uses Cummins diesels...The longest lasting, most power per cylinder diesel engines ever made.
i like cummins, but seriously, you think Dodge isnt going to send their best to a competition? get real. Ford just has the better truck (for now) but things could change next year, ya never know. but Ford does have the most HP and torque, best braking, better acceleration, better fuel economy, better ride and handling, and the very best of safety rating. and you have to hand it to Ford, for designing and building their own engines and performing this well. the newest ford is 440hp and like 9 hundred and something pounds of torque. they're just building better trucks these days. cummins is awesome but maybe they need to redesign their engi es so they can compete and keep up with the changing times. if they dont, they will continue to be left behind.
+Gary King this comparison is unrealistic. if dodge actually did participate in this they would have sent the 4500 model to be comparable to the F450. The two models they are comparing in the video would be just the same as if dodge put a 3500 up against a F250. Each truck has different towing capacities. Just fyi. the Towing capacity difference between the Ram 3500 and 4500 is about 7,000 pounds. Considering the F450 passed the 3500 at a minor speed difference the 4500 model would have out ran the F450. So in conclusion your comment about dodge sending their best is an invalid statement! Sounds like to me you're just another Ford fan. . .
Yeah this fast lane truck channel is nothing but a long Ford commercial. Please Fast lane stop making your biased videos people are not as stupid as you think.
This video is BS. I have pulled 20K lbs with both a F550 and a 5500 Ram, both 2014 models. The Ram will out pull the Ford hands down. It will also get just under 6 MPG avg vs the Fords just over 4.
+Micheal Yarbrough 2 totally different tuning packages. Equal weight the 450 and 3500 will pull circles around the 550 and 5500. Commercial vehicles are not the powerhouses the lower classes are. So before you call BS, compare apples to apples.
Wish they would have put a F350 with 4.10 gear ratio up against the Ram 3500 with same ratio and let the test show what the trucks can do. Ram by far the best exhaust brake of the three brands !!
I know a guy who hauled a 29000 pound load of lumber 150 miles with a 2003 3/4 dodge with a 5.7 l hemi magnum that had 165000 miles on it through very hilly terrain, he claimed it never had a problem going 65 up hills on the highway, so I think hemis are pretty damn good trucks for towing
Can any of you americans tell me, what your regular driving license includes? How much weight can the car have, and how much the trailer. For us in germany a drivinglicense allows us to drive vehicles up to 7,777lbs. This weight includes the trailer.
The "New River Gauntlet" is actually Sandstone Mountain. 7% is the average grade for the 5 mile stretch, near the top it actually is steeper, pushing 9% grade.
I want to see which one can last a week of doing this without blowing rods. My bet is on the Dodge lasting longer. FWI I am a ford guy but I know for fact the Ford is junk. Best Diesels they made was 7.3 Turbo. None of this new stuff can compare.
You're crazy as hell I have 2013 Powerstroke with a 7' BDS lift on 37's with 22x14 Specialty Forged Wheels with 223000 Clicks and I tow heavy like this on a daily basis. Stick with your subaru you clearly no nothing to be a "Ford Guy"
This is actually a fair comparison. from what I could find the Ram 3500 hd has the highest towing capacity offered. All of the ram 4500's are regular cab commericial vehicles and have a towing capacity of less then 30,000 lbs. where the Ram 3500 is rated for 30,060 lbs. This ford F-450 is rated for 31,200 lbs. that's a pretty fair battle if you ask me.
I have seen both trucks and here is something to think about. Both of these trucks can pull there spec'd weight however if you look under the hood you'll take the ram anyday if you have a belt snap and need to change it on the side of the road. Think I'm lying go and look for yourself.
Well tell Ram to release a 4500 non-commercial. Its the top of the line truck vs top of the line truck. If Ram doesn't offer one that is Ram's problem.
highjix If i remember Right weigh ATM doesn't matter, IF the truck and trailer are can do the weigh then CDL is needed reguardless if you have the weigh.
From my quick google search it looks like it varies from state to state as far as vehicle registration goes, for instance depending on configuration in New York a f350 could be registered as a commercial vehicle because of it's weight. But it also seems to be based on federal regulations like over the road trucks. Regardless, once your vehicle exceeds a certain weight you are required to possess a CDL to be legal.
It looks like the Ram fanboys are butthurt, just get over it!!! It was a ford sponsored event what do you expect?!? I'm pretty sure if the guys at TFLTruck get invited to a Ram event like this for the next gen Ram, the Ram is gonna kick the crap of whatever they order to compare with. Whoever is sponsoring the event is going to win the event, that's just what happens! If you go on the ram website they did compare a 4500 or a 5500 with either an F-450 or F-550, and guess what, Ram won! That's what I like about TFLTruck, they do what they can do to be impartial... If you go to the pickuptrucks.com RU-vid channel you'll see Mike Levine sing praises about ford (the 2011 F-450 unveiling) and when you come back here and see the video when Ford unveiled their new stuff at the State Fair of Texas, guess who was sitting there with a Ford shirt on!!! As far as I know, these guys at TFLTruck are the closest thing to impartial we've got! We shall see where all the dust settled when Roman Kent and Nathan take them up the Ike Gauntlet.
30,000 lbs I use do that with 75 chevy 1 ton with 454 , 4 speed and 3.73 gears. I got caught at the scales one time weighing 36,000 lbs. Now that was a big ticket !
Why do you feel that way? They claim to have pitted Ram's Strongest pickup against Ford's Strongest Pickup. Please show me where it is written that f350 is the equivalent of a Ram 3500. Ford could name the truck the F2000 and it would still fill the same gap in their lineup as the F450, it's just a designation, not an indicator of it's ability.
highjix Thank you. i couldn't think of a better way to say this. At the end of the day we are talking engines, not frames and suspensions. the 6.7l powerstroke out preforms the 6.7l cummins. End of argument.
Heavier I can understand, but have you even tried pricing them? Ram's website is kinda weird, I have trouble getting the dually for some reason, but even the single rear wheel one I built wasn't that far behind the f-450 I built, 67k vs 73k. if I could figure out how to make the Ram into a dually I am sure that would be good for several grand
I'm curious where the limit is for this type of truck. The numbers these trucks put up is insane, and they have been skyrocketing at an astounding pace. When will they hit the performance ceiling?
I'm die hard Ford but for argument sake they should of did a F-350 vs a 3500 to please people, even though motor setup is no different people will be complaining over this.
I agree 100 percent, If they did they would have had a matched 4.10,and 17" tires. I'm sure the fords tow rating would then be much lower than the Rams,which is why they use an F450, to get the lower 4.30 and higher tow rating..
He said the Aisin if a $7K option. I have an Aisin in my 3500. If I remember correctly, the option was like $2500. And for what it's worth... I love my Ram... and I love this F450. No fanboy antics from me.
We hot shot for a living and have no real bias other then, after hauling for 14 hours a day, you can still get of a superduty and have the desire to workout and get on the treadmill, where, if your in a chevy or dodge, that absolutely is not happening!! Not all about HP, longevity,,,etc... but comfort is a huge factor also.
The RAM is a great truck. I think they are having less issues with them than the others too. I have personally viewed new 2015 HD diesel GM's on the side of the highway during the bad storms we had in the north east.Hood up and stopped Dont know why other than it was most likely a DEF or exhaust issue. I love the GMC hd's I want one very bad but i think i will wait a few years for an improved version.
How about F450 vs Ram 4500 with closer rear gear ratios Ford's 4.30 vs Ram 4.44 and see how things turn out, think it would be a good comparison for people who tow heavy in the 30-35k area.
I'm sorry but this is as biased as it gets. Ford drives their truck, Dodge drives theirs. How can you even post something as a head to head with a Ford engineer driving another manufacturers product. I have watched a lot of your videos and I enjoyed them, but this is nonsense. I suppose you'll let anything go for a few bucks in your pocket. Ridiculous. I even watched your video with the big 3 and I agreed with it even though the Ram wasn't first. Truth is truth. But this video was a gimmick. We are not stupid so don't try to sell us shit because you think we are.
so im a ram salesman watching this to learn my other brands. but id like to point out that if the ram was to have the 4.10 rear end it would have to be a chassis cab. seeing the truck they tested is not a chassis cab they compared apples to oranges. ram 3500 with cummins has a 3.42 rear end. but seeing it only barley get passed im still very impressed.
just started watching (video on pause as I'm writing) and I have to say that Dodge is right about this being an unfair comparison. The natural competitor to the Ram 3500 is the F 350, not the F450. The engines may be the same, but the chassis are different, and when it comes to hauling, that's even more important than power alone. Anyway, gonna watch it now, but like Roland said, I have a suspicion the Ford will win. And even if it does, I'm probably not going to be impressed with it given that it's competing below its class.
TheBCSledder Ford didn't have to "pull out" anything. The number on the side of the truck means nothing. The F-450 and Ram 3500 are both 14,000 GVWR trucks, making them class 3 trucks.
agree with you beastb15. plus I would feel safer towing in a 450 or 3500... 3500 has weak ass suspension not made to tow a shit load and if your dumb enough well its ur fault if you turn ur load over... cant remember how many trucks I see towing 25000lbs rolling over on free way on a straight road.. smh
Roman I hope you guys go ahead and get your CDL. I watched the video and I'm feeling like there was some manipulation by Ford. Welcome to West Virginia by the way I travel this section of road on a weekly basis. I have a 2011 6.7 PSD and a Dodge. To me its more important that the tests be fair and factual than who wins. I know the GM powertrain has been the fastest several times even though its not rated as high. Im almost thinking the reason there was no GM trucks is its the fastest. We need to get these to Colorado ASAP.
You should be comparing the F350 to the Ram and Silverado 3500. The F450 competes with the Ram and Silverado 4500. Ram and Chevrolet only offer the 4500 trucks as Chassis Cabs.
Apples to apples test would have been better, 4500 vs. 450. Similar options(ie. final drive ratio, transmission, etc...), then see which one makes it up and down reliably. Monitor things such as exhaust temp, oil temp, engine coolant temp, transmission temp, fuel consumption, etc.. It doesn't matter who makes it to the top first if you cook it getting there. It is true that each engine do have their own unique set of issues, the Ford with injectors and injector pump problems and the Cummins with the EGR and VGT actuator issues, however when you look at overall reliability and longevity, Cummins holds the market. Other than the increase in displacement,high pressure injection pump, and addition of government mandated emission controls, the Cummins design remains overall unchanged since the change over to 24 valve in 1998. The Ford has changed engines 5 times since they introduced a diesel to their pick-ups. At the end of the day, it comes down to operating cost and reliability.
Owned 2 F550s purchased brand new. Just under 50k miles each truck had 5 Turbo replacement. 10k miles per turbo per each truck. For me any Ford truck after 7.3 Powerstroke is junk anymore. Got Dodge after Ford, running almost 170k miles, nothing went wrong and still going strong. Regular maintenance and lots of highway driving. Loved Fords but not anymore. Dodge rules the truck industry nowadays.
Technically there is one more option for the Cummins G56 manual transmission with 660lb/ft of torque. As of 2015 Ram is the only 3/4ton and 1ton trucks to have a manual transmission with a diesel.
All the new diesels are egr engines. If you live in a libertard state and don't delete it no matter what make it is it will fail sooner than the non egr engines. You can thank the libertards at the epa for all the bullshit on the new engines. Caterpillar quit making a big truck engine because they won't build a egr engine. There is no way to make them live.
I have a Cummins now but if I was buying a newer truck I would probably go with the Ford 6.7. To be honest though I don't like any of the new diesels, they have far too much emissions crap on them and it is impacting their reliability. I tow an 8000 pound travel trailer and am considering the F250 6.2 gas for the job. More than capable and without all the reliability issues associated with the current and prior generation diesels. The Cummins I have has a good reputation in the truck world, but while the drivetrain has done ok everything else on the truck has broken at least once.
I see guys arguing about the 5.9L engine. lol The 5.9L Cummins is very capable of pulling the same weight as the 6.7L but just needs to be strapped to the right Transmission.
