I had a Chrysler mini van years ago and I have a Sienna now. While the Chrysler was comfortable with excellent interior design, I started to have electrical and mechanical problems after the second year. But the very last thing that made me never touch a Chrysler again was a total breakdown of the transmission right before 40K miles and out of warranty. I bought a Sienna since. The only repair I had on Sienna was a hairline crack of radiator after 10 years of use. I don't care if Chrysler is faster, bigger, or cheaper. All these can't compensate the hassle and expenses of lack of reliability.
Jason Chen I own a 2010 volkswagen routan which is basically a rebadged town and country/dodge caravan. It even says mopar in the corner of the window and on many of the parts. It shared the same anemic chrysler 3.8L v6 as well (making a whopping 197hp) and although it is considered to be more upscale and the interior is far better, than its chrysler counterparts, its Chrysler cheapness still shines through every creaky and I'll fitting panel. It has always burned a quart of oil every 1,500 miles and has gone through its first transmission at only 100k miles. I later purchased a 2015 Honda odyssey EX and I find it to be a major upgrade. It has way more power, at 45,000 miles it doesn't burn or leak a drop of oil, and the engine feels as smooth as silk. It is superior to the old "chrysler" in every way and i will never buy another chrysler product ever again.
You compared a 2016 Sienna to a 2017 Pacifica. You said the Pacifica has more horsepower. The 2017 Sienna has more horsepower that the 2017 Pacifica. You guys are not qualified to evaluate vehicles if you can't understand the many other flaws in your comparison.
Google user these are the press vehicles they were given. They don’t have control if it’ll be a current or past year vehicle. You aren’t qualified to comment if you can’t understand that.
Nothing will ever compare to the Toyota Sienna, its AWD and the only van with it, here in Canada its highly needed, if you don't have AWD in Canada your bloody crazy. This is the ultimate family haller not just because its AWD but its very functional and family friendly. This summer i was looking at trading in my family SUV (2013 Ford Explorer) for something bigger because there was another baby on the way, with having two car seats and constantly needing the 3rd row the explorer became to small. We looked into vehicles like the GMC yukon, Buick Enclave, and a few more. Not wanting to spend money on another small SUV or a gas eater, i looked into the Sienna, that week we went and put and order on one, waited for it to come in, test drove it and instantly fell in love, We purchased our 2016 Sienna Limited AWD, in July and couldn't be happier. Now i know the thought of driving a minivan can be dreadful, but once your behind the wheel of the Sienna you forget that its a van. This is truly the ultimate family vehicle.
Could you make a series where you would showcase a car manufacturer every episode, telling things like patterns in styling, driving feel, the variety of cars they make,etc. I think it would be a really cool series! Love your videos and keep up the good work!
Toyota's reliability is legendary. On one of mine, a 12 years old vehicle, all I've done is oil changes, one brake job and one radiator hose replacement. Not because it was busted but as a prevention!
This is what I hate about these guys when they review cars. Absolutely zero people that are buying a minivan care how the steering feels - it's not a sports car. 95% of the people buying these vans are soccer moms who simply expect the car to turn when they spin the magical wheel one way or the other. Also, complaining about the body lean is silly. They're 6,000 pound highway cruisers, not a race car. If you're buying a minivan for handling, you need to just not buy a minivan. They're pigs, they will drive like pigs. If handling is an issue for you in these cars, you're not driving them how they're supposed to be driven. And in an emergency situation, you're not going to miss the hazard anyway. Again, it's a 6,000 pound car. And to finish my rant - you'd be insane to pick the Pacifica over the Sienna. Those nine speed transmissions are a ticking time bomb, especially since Fiat/Chrysler has consistently been one of the WORST companies for reliability every single year. The Sienna will far outlast the Chrysler.
last toyota i owned ended up having to have the whole engine reconstructed because it was badly designed it was the camry. Terrible car also cost too much for bad quality interior
so your saying a minivan shouldnt have good handling or good steering for the driver to enjoy not to mention it can be a safety issue if the car doesn't have good handling.
LOL I wasn't calling the reviewers pigs - the cars are. Also, if you buy a minivan to enjoy driving, you don't understand what the minivan is for. No minivan has good handling anyway (hint: they're not designed to be driver's cars). Also, the Camry is one of the most reliable cars on the market. Either you had a lemon, or you fucked something up driving it hard. There are millions of Camrys on the road with incredibly high mileage - I know because I own one myself.
SYM Films don't listen to anyone who tells you to buy a chrysler. My caravan was an oil burner from the factory, and had wiring issues up the wazoo. also those 9 speeds ARE absolute trash. Give me the Toyota anyday!
Not sure this Andre guy realizes that one car has huge moon roofs and the other doesn't. Cuts into headroom. Same day this video came out Toyota announced its 2017 Sienna will have more hp and torque than the Pacifica.
@@caleblastname6969 you can get the Pacifica in awd so even with it having less hp the get up and overall ride is a lot better also to is a lot higher and as far as a base model you can get a v6 in th Chrysler the Toyota you get a 2.5 cylinder...
@@caleblastname6969 Toyota does win in gpm but Chrysler snatching that title back up with more space with the Chrysler being 204.3” and the Toyota 203”
@@caleblastname6969 and you should be sad to know that no matter what trim and how much money you pay if you get a Toyota minivan your getting a 2.5L😂sucks
We had a white 1993 grand caravan, My parents bought it the same year I was born. 17 years later, me and my friends used to drive it around and smoke pot in it. Great van!
We had a 2002 Dodge Caravan... drove it everywhere, road trips and all, and basically drove it into the ground... sold it in 2013 for $3000 and the lady who has it now apparently drives it all over the place, takes it on a lot of road trips. It served us well and was extremely reliable! We stayed on top of oil changes and such and it was great. We now have a 2013 Dodge Caravan, and it's been pretty great so far besides a couple recalls, but my mom is an aggressive driver, takes corners super quickly and breaks at the last second, and accelerates very quickly all the time. So far the van has put up with it perfectly, haha.
In 10 years there will be no comparison at all when your Sienna worth $14k and still works like new while your Chrysler worth $5k and needs $5k for repairs to keep it barely running.
Out of a sample size of one, my dad's Chrysler Town & Country from 14 years ago with 150k mile, lots of miles filled with kids, and the only thing that has ever broken is the rear hatch motor switch. That doesn't seem all that bad for a car that everyone seems to think is the lowest quality you can possibly get.
Wonder why the value of the Toyota holds up much better than the Pacifica? Check the quality of the cheap materials in the Pacifica. Check service and breakdown records on both vehicles. Then make an educated decision. :)
I'm going to guess that none of the people that are commenting currently have any interest in minivans at all... if they did then they would realize the Chrysler is the most versatile with great fuel economy, and at a competitive price. it drives nicely it's quiet, and it is quick, which is important, regardless of whether or not it's a minivan. yes, the Sienna and odyssey are long in the tooth but it's a comparison of what's available now. Chrysler clearly deserves the first place here.
+abdulaziz alsager True true. This is their last chance to get a better name. Fuck this up their done. BUT it is the 1st gen. Remember how bad the 2007 GMC Acadia was?
I would go with the Pacifica. My folks bought a Caravan SE 2.4L back in 2001 and that van is still running like a champ with over 130k miles on the odometer. The only major thing my dad replaced was the ECU and the original radiator, which I replaced for him.
I’ve been owning a 2005 Sienna and it has been the most trouble free minivan out there, 298,144 miles without having to rebuild anything. Struts, shock absorbers, fuel pump, iced cold AC, engine, transmission, engine mounts, power steering pump, electric windows, upholstery, paint are all original and it’s never been towed.
@6:28 that particular pasifica model doesnt equipped with panoramic roof + sunroof at the 3rd row like the range-topping pasifica model hence you get much more headroom across 3 rows compared to the sienna that being tested here that equipped with dual sunroofs
Chrysler makes literally only 3 vehicles, has well below average reliability, high cost of repairs and below average resale value. Tell me again why I would want to buy the new Pacifica over the tried and true Sienna when I factor vans are one of the longest kept vehicles and the Toyota name has consistently demonstrated that they are always near the top in reliability. Toyotas reported Lemons: 1 in 11.6 million. Chrysler lemons 1 in 500k (per auto guide). You are 20 times more likely to get a Chrysler lemon than a Toyota. If you want flashy new tech, go with the Kia. At least they have the warranty to back it up
Sienna is safer and more reliable. Way better resale value vs a Chrysler... Sienna has been around for YEARS and has dominated the minivan market along with Honda. But still til this day I see more Sienna's on the road 10 years old or more on the road all the time . Runs forever
We just traded our junk GMC Acadia for a Chrysler Voyager and couldn't be happier. My mom has had a very well optioned Sienna for a couple years, and we still went with the Chrysler. The interior comfort, drive ability, and third row comfort was superior in the Voyager.
I've driven several Chrysler models with the 9 speed transmission. They've improved the programming recently so it's not so jerky, but you won't get anywhere near the EPA numbers. A recent 4-cyl 200 rental only managed 19.1 MPG in suburban driving, and it's rated for 23 in pure city driving.
Joshua R New skin on the old bones. They are still good bones, just not quite as good in comparison as they used to be. Toyota will not get in any hurry to redesign it because it will still sell well for a few more years. They are very well known for squeezing every last penny out of an investment - not that doing so is a bad thing.
I don't understand why everyone keep bashing Chrysler... I had a 99 LHS for about 12 years never had a problem other a few interior issue and now I have a 2011 dodge charger rt and don't have any problems... if you take care of your car then your car will be good to you stop hating
Pacifica is made in my home town, but I'd go with the Sienna because of Toyota reliability and Chrysler's lack thereof. You'll have the car working ten years from now, don't count on it with the Chrysler (and if you go to sell, you'll get a good price for it if you to Toyota). BTW, hope Chrysler didn't use at Zeppelin nine speed, they're crapping out in the Cherokee.
So you bash a vehicle without seeing any reliability report. 50% Canadian Minivan market is Dodge Minivan that is made in same factory with Pacifica. Get a clue ...
I owned a Doge Minivan, was an awful POS. The roads around here a lined with them with "$500 obo, AS IS". You want to point me to those great "reliability reports"?
...and to the guy who pmed me "And when the Chrysler plant in your home town shuts down, watch your home toen go down the tubes. Enjoy!" - I rent. When such happens, I'll be elsewhere. And lets hope this time the idiot Federal and provincial govts don't bail them out. If they want to change things they'd better start getting things right because they've alienated way too many people with shoddy products.
I guess I have a 'freakish' 2003 Grand Caravan with a 3.3L - Nearly 300K (in that time replaced - Transmission, Master Cylinder, Water pump and the air con bit the dust years ago.). The body is very decayed, but it still runs down the road. It has been the cheapest cost per mile vehicle to run that I have ever owned.
Toyota no doubt is number 1. Better than all the rest in every category. I had an old sienna for about 11 years the only problem it gave me was ac but only cuts we used it so damn much. We had a Toyota Camry for about 15 years and the thing ran like a pearl and we even sold with almost 300,000 mile and we still have our rav4 for and its a 1999 version so Toyota in my book is number one. I once bought a Chevy Impala, it was so horrible that I sold it after less than a year and than I bought a brand new 2015 Kia Sedona van and there was a so much wrong with it I turned it in and the buy back rate was so low I had to pay part of my down payment towards it. Now i am super happy as can be with my 2016 brand new sienna se.
Sat inside the, I assume base model, Pacifica at the state fair in Sacramento, ca a few weeks ago and that shit felt hella cheap The seats were hard as cement and quality interior felt uber cheap
000 0000 Considering GM and Ford don't make Mini vans anymore, no European manufacturers make them, and that the others available are Korean junk is it any surprise? Also I bet most of that remaining 20% is Chrysler
The biggest advantage of the Toyota will be the resale value. The reliability factor is there, but not as dramatic from my personal experience. Also, there are millions of Chrysler minivans on the road so parts and maintenance are plentiful and reasonably priced. I've had two Dodge minivans and found them to be mostly OK. The first one was a 1996 3.3L version which had to have the transmission replaced at 80k miles. Other than that it was fine but that did upset me to the point of eventually trading it in on a new 2003 Honda Odyssey. Unfortunately, the Honda didn't turn out to be the mythical Japanese super vehicle; it had multiple electrical and transmission problems requiring more shop time than I would have liked. The Honda mercifully died after being rear-ended the third time so I got out cheap with the insurance settlement. After taking a hiatus from mini-vans for about three years, I purchased a 2010 Dodge 3.3L minivan which I still have. I've been pleasantly surprised as it has been mostly reliable and extremely rugged given what I use it for. Overall, I rate the 2010 Dodge as the best of the three taking usability and reliability as the measure. Bottom line: If I really wanted the features of the Chrysler, I wouldn't let the historical reliability differences stop me. Reality is more important than perception and it's been my experience that the Chrysler vans are pretty good overall. Sure that's anecdotal, but if Chrysler minivans are so terrible, how have they managed to dominate the minivan market for the last forever? Maybe they're not as reliable as a Toyota in general, but it's not like they're complete lemons. Keep the maintenance schedules up to date and most vehicles perform well.
Hey guys! Greeetings from Moscow, Russia. You do a great job and I've been your huge fan for years. When you make reviews of such family vans as Sienna or Pacifica, please don't forget to mention its compatibility with child's car seats: number and positionning of Isofix anchors (including 3rd rows) and seats recline angles. Thanks!
One thing they forgot to mention is reliability. It's tough because they're new cars, but all you have to look at is track record, but my money is on the Toyota. I'd love to see how the Odyssey stacks up against the Pacifica as well.
I still hate that they discontinued the Caravan and T&C. Was the only minivan where people actually had a choice for a sportier or luxurious drive. Dumb move for killing off successful name plates.
I seriously doubt that my wife and I will ever buy a new AWD minivan but, until I watched this video, I didn't know any were currently available. Thanks for the info.
I love how Toyota people who claim this and take their expensive yotas to the dealer every 3k miles for expensive service vs typical Chrysler owners who never go to the dealer for service and beat the tar out of their vehicles.
One thing kept bugging me: Stop comparing head room in a car with a panoramic sunroof/moonroof/whateverucallit, and one without. I mean, that seems like it would be in the Auto Reviews 101 handbook. Another item of importance is vehicle capacity. Being they're cargo vehicles often tasked with the lives of many passengers, I think the cargo weight capabilities of each automobile reviewed should be covered. I do not believe, even given recent relative incidences, that people put enough importance into these stats. Thanks for all the effort. Keep up the good work.
Did all the commenters trashing Pacifica reliability ever take a logic course. It is ludicrous to make a judgement on reliability on a new from the ground up vehicle based on comparison to a vehicle with mostly different parts. I checked the safety logs and the poster who stated his neighbors burned was flat lying. Unless they insurance companies and every one else has stopped reporting possible safety defects. It may have lousy reliability or it may not, just to soon to tell. Same with resale value. Why not try to objecfully evaluate the vehicle as is and wait for the data for the rest. Oh that's right your egos require you declare failure now to show what great gurus you are.
You mean the same transmission that Honda uses? Oh yes it is. So Honda a company that prides itself on reliability uses the same transmission? That can't be. Well it is. Oh and its not the same exact transmission. Its been refined, retooled etc...
just look how well laid out the engine components are compared to the cluster mess of the pacifica, the battery and oil filter are buried deep inside the the engine bay and very hard to get to......thats why people love toyotas
The Fast Lane Car then if you know its going to be an unfair comparison why make a video over it? you cannot compare a brand new mini to one that was designed in 2011.
The sienna is one of the biggest pieces of crap on earth. There is so much plastic in it, from the first gen to the current gen sienna. My aunt worked for toyota and everybody ended up with siennas in family except for us. Its a truly dreadful car and now theyre looking for ways to get rid of them. And almost all minivans are this bad with the exception of the honda odyssey. The mercedes minivan is also bad and thats a mercedes for crying out loud
I do have one problem with the head room test. The Sienna had a sunroof installed while the Pacifica didn't. It's my understanding that sunroofs will lower the interior roof line by an inch or more, so the lack of headroom in the back seat could be due to the sunroof and not the slope of the roof itself. Just a though.
The Toyota was more equipped over that Chrysler. In those features it made the Chrysler seem cheaper. Still would rather take the Chrysler. There have been issues with the Toyotas from what I hear. All automakers have their issues don't get me wrong but the Chrysler is hands down the favorite.
I got to look at a Pacifica this weekend. The dealer said the Limited trim is selling as fast as they can unload them off the truck. He had only gotten one with the lower Touring trim in so far and it was the only one he had on the lot. Seems like a very well thought out van. Toyota and Honda will have their hands full competing with that one.
I'm sticking with Toyota because my neighbors 300 caught fire just running in his driveway.....(it was a 2015) I wouldn't want to put my children in a big FCA fire hazard.
I'm proud to own a Toyota. A great and reliable company. I owned a 2006 Toyota with over 150,000 miles on it, no problems at all. Recently upgraded to a 2016. It's true what they say about Chrysler, after owning one, nothing but problems.
We own from '69 Imperial to 2017 Pacifica. 1996 Grand Caravan 189,000 miles runs like new! 2004 Caravan 102,000 runs like new. Never issues but general maintenance. We use Amsoil synthetics
Guys, I really like your stuff, but you are comparing 2017 Pacifica and 2016 Sienna. 2017 Sienna is not much different from 2016 but there is a huge difference in engine and transmission. You probably should make a small note about this.
Nice to see Chrysler minivans coming back to hopefully rule the segment again. Grew up with a 1997 T&C LXI and 2 EX-L 2003 and 2006 Odyssey's and have to say I'll always prefer the T&C
I used to drive a sienna as a work horse. I did over 20k miles on it. Now I bought a Pacifica. My personal opinion is that the sienna has a bit better interior but overall the Pacifica is much better car to look at and drive. And the fully loaded Pacifica has a crazy amount of features inside where Sienna can't even compare. I guessed the reliability of the sienna might be better but let see what the future actually holds. The pacifica is yet to prove it's reliability as its a new model.
Really the pacifica? That thing will blow up in a little over a 100k and the sienna will go forever. Other than the Chrysler being hopelessly unreliable and the sienna being bulletproof the cars are very similar. How the hell is the Chrysler any better? It isn't even any more American.
Sienna wins because the Pacifica will end up in the scrap yard in 5 years with 50,000 miles on it. The Sienna will go 300,000 with regular maintenance.
Yes, the new Pacifica is very nice. But, the Sienna and Odyssey current generations came out in 2010 and 2011 so they are getting a little old. Let's see how the Pacifica compares to the new redesigns of the Sienna and Odyssey in the coming years.
There is a lot of 3row mini vans and SUVs now, and we're buying them because of our family size ... I'd really like to see you put a popular brand of car seat in the 2nd row to see if the 3rd remains actually usable. I see the MFG website boosts it will hold 8 people, but if there is 2 car seats in the second row I don't see how people even get into the 3rd row without removing them. Knowing this would be a HUGE help to making a choice for my growing family.
Ever hear of the fable of the boy who cried wolf? You guys were saying that in 1979, in the 90s with the terrible engines, transmissions, and recalls, when MB took over, and after the latests bankruptcy. Chrysler is JUNK!!
I do not agree at all with this review at all. The Sienna is the better van based on the sheer amounts of flavors Toyota gives you. Want a cheep one? There's the LE which still gives you bluetooth, back up camera, and other cool things. Want a sporty one? There's the SE which actually has different suspension tuning and different steering wheel tuning and a sportier look. Want luxury? There's the XLE. And most importantly, want AWD? Well Toyota is the only brand that offers it. The Sienna also looks better to me and has a substantially better interior with much more comfortable seats. Chrysler Stow and Go is cool. But spend 2 hours in any seat other than the front seats and you'll hate yourself. The rotary dial gear shifter is a no for me too. Just a cool toy to keep up with the Jones' but just like electronic parking brakes it's just another electronic part that can and will fail. Why make something complicated that didn't have to be?
Is sooooo true.Check KBB in 5 years after you paid that much for the pacifica,you will freak out.The Toyota wont loose much of any resale value in 5 years.
If you plan on keeping it till the wheels fall off then resell value means nothing. Cars are not investments and they all lose there value. If you buy a new car every 4-5 years then yes get the Toyota if not then whatever.
The 2017 Sienna has 295bhp and an 8 speed tranny.Check consumer reports and the gap in reliability on the Pacifica will be lucky to hit "Worse than average" while the Sienna will be "Better than average" at worst.The resale gap will be even more.And lets be completely honest. Does the minivan buyer purchase based on drag races and track driving or based on reliability, safety and resale value?
I wonder how much Chrysler paid them for this review. There is NO Chrysler product on the market that is remotely comparable to Toyota in terms of reliability and value. NONE. I remember they picked the Chrysler 200 AWD over the Subaru Legacy. The Chrysler 200 had so many problems they had to discontinue it. I'm really going to stop watching this channel #Payola
Oh, bull shit. You're just one of those poop heads that had an incredibly bad experience with an American car, and has banned then forever from your list of "reliable" cars. Check again, please.
the 2nd and 3rd row seats are not that comfortable compare to Sienna or Odyssey. they are not padded enough because they are stow and go. this is also the reason why other manufacturers did not follow. but it is very versatile especially if you need to load a large object
Pacifica better than Odyssey,Sienna,Sedona. Good job Chrysler, this new Pacifica is a true masterpiece. Mine is on order,2018 Hybrid Touring be here for me in 1 more day! So excited 😀
The Toyota Sienna can last 200,000 miles easy. After the 3rd engine and transmission and with absolutely nothing else really working or replaced the Chrysler Pacifica can reach 200,000 miles.
If you want quality and reliability. GO with the Toyota. The Chrysler has lower quality leather and overall has a cheap feel/look and real world usability. The Chrysler are good for car rental agencies. Toyota has dual sunroof, quality parts and attention to detail given to every aspect.
jmanyes right and if they Opted for the Limited, it has oth Powered Sto-n-Go and 3rd Row Seats... this Rarely Optioned AWD Sienna (AWD is only available on its Top Trim) doesnt have even powered 3rd row seats..... or a Vac lol
+Tomaz Hilton One thing i liked about chrysler was that they gave you choises. Get the Caravan for a "sportier" drive or the T&C for a smoother drive but after 2017 don't think they will do that anymore.
Awesome review guys.. Love watching it. Tell the boss that you two are to do more of these. 2018 Pacifica Limited vs Honda Odyssey Elite. Please, Please.. We just added a Touring L plus Pacifica to the Driveway. My wife loves it and my girls even more.
