2018 Turquoise Haro Lineage Master Unboxing & Session 

Me and a friend of mine grew up in Sarasota Florida and this was the very first bike we bought together in 1988. I'm gona get one:)

Just had my 2017 lineage sport, with my chrome 2018 lineage kneesavers assembled this week. Yea.... Got a lot of practice to do.

@@johnchernidc2016 I got some original '88 kneesavers from back in the day in black and chrome up in my parents loft (and sum regular 1990 chrome ones).I'm almost tempted to buy a master vintage frame just to get them little beauties back up and running. But I don't think I can justify it after recently spending well over £3000(bikes are double the price in the UK boo hoo) putting my 2 mid school projects together. And yet still the master is a bike I always dreamed of owning as a kid (I had to settle for a 1990 Haro Invert - a cut price master with a trimoly rear triangle). The Haro Master Vintage. It's not a bike. It's a work of art.

Well, maybe your gonna be the next Chase Goin or Kevin Jones! :-)

I dont know much about the wheel construction either but it has something to do with the process of making the rim. Even if that process is lame I wouldnt call this particular bike or the whole Haro company junk. Haro has been around from early on and will probably be one of the last bmx companies standing in the future. They survived the bmx slump in the 90's and are still here strong today. They also have had and still have the best riders of today on their team. Chad Kerley took gold in the Xgames Bmx Park competition and their flatland rider Mathias Dandois is the best Flatland rider out there today and wins almost all the comps he enters. Just look at who they had riding for them dating back to the 80's. Mat Hoffman, Bryan Blyther, Dave Nourie, Dave Mirra, Ryan Nyquist, Rick Moliternos. Seems like haro still holds the chips today just like they did in the 80's and 90's! Most of these bikes today are made the same way from company to company but just have a diferent name stamped on them

I have to be honest though. There was and is quality issues with the Lineage series bikes and parts. In 2016 the first wave of Flatland Masters frames had head tubes that were out of round, flaking chrome on the frames, and built in chain tensioners that werent correctly lined up. And most recently, the new Kneesaver handlebars were not square and evenly proportionate and the chrome flaked on the wheels. Many guys on the Museum were showing where John Boultgans was telling them to send the kneesaver bars back and he was sending a whole production run back to the company in Tawain. John has been doing what he can but its the manufacturers over seas that need to get it together.

No worries at all... I did a lot of research on this for hours today and most people seem to prefer what we have, Not welded rims/spokes... You can read all about it on the link I left above. Some kid was just trying to put down HARO and promote his FIT bike mostly since it is cheaper. It's a matter of preference and many, or most, actually prefer them to not be welded with no "give" in them... regardless, even IF a spoke became loose we can just tighten ours, they cannot, so... it's a very interesting read. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7LR4g3KCLlQ.html&lc=z23qt1v52uyyvnpbg04t1aokgj5xfw4rzvsgnmykvqy2rk0h00410.1536021304241511

I'm Totally happy with mine... no issues at all now once I simply switched to Ghost pads... and since it's a 2018 they hopefully worked-out all of the bugs... just like that issue with the chrome peeling and them switching to alloys...and even IF there's any new serious issue, I'll just use my warranty and/or contact John Boultgans, so I'm not worried about it... - It's STILL a FAR better bmx/freestyle bike than any of the many, many, new bike companies are coming out with today in 2018 for a little less money. To me almost all of these new bikes all look the same and they're very boring, from the style of the frames to their color choices which are usually too dark for my old-school neon brain.

It's also very worth noting that when some of these newer companies DO have a flaw, from what I've been hearing, the manufacturer is not at all always too interested in correcting the problem in the professional manner that John Boultgans of HARO is... and that alone shows great integrity and affords the consumer great security too. I forgot the exact companies, but a couple of people today claimed that their frames even ended up either slightly bent and one cracked in half entirely (!) and some rims were taco-oed within a few weeks, yet the customer was simply stuck with it and these were two popular brands of today. So it's also great to know that with HARO you truly get what you pay for and are even well taken care of. HARO has to take care of their loyal customers, after-all, they're a LEGEND.

thanks Steve! I wanted a master back then but my parents wouldn't get me one. wish they got me one and still had it. that bike must be one of your treasures. nice grab on the #216!! yep Bmx is still taking up residence here. I plan on working on some new tricks this summer too. ride on!!

Ha me too I started riding the late 80’s and just bought a brand new BMX bike

Its gone! Sold it for about that LOL! It was pretty shredded though.

Cool man.

Holy sh i T I had a set of Peregrine rims! I totally forgot until I read this, crazy?! I had a Zeronine number plate on that bike too!

Hey thanks! Stay Rad!

Thanks

Yep, those were probably the most popular. That or the Haro Envy green models!

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Thx my dad builds bikes he still has his chrome dyno he bought when he was 16 and has a picture of it the day he got it. He’s 49 now. He also built me a 1986,87 Gt performer in blue and white with blue and purple stickers on it

I’ve been riding a 2003 haro freestyle that’s blue red and green. My dad built that too

Cool man! Stay Rad

Cool man! I am getting used to the wide tires and extra weight. This bike is easy to ride though. I've already learned some new tricks on mine. Working on the Backside Walkover right now on it!

Nice. I've noticed you move backwards very well. I've always had difficulty riding backwards or rolling off a ramp jump back-end first... My last three bikes (about 30 years ago) were a Diamond Back Formula One (very light) then a P.K. Ripper, both I modified for freestyle, then a Skyway Streetbeat when they first came out, the frame & fork, then built it 100% custom. All three were stolen by so-called friends, who suddenly moved to another state just after I left my bikes at their house... bad luck. Then for many years I was at the national level in bodybuilding, so now I'm still the same height, just under 5'8, (lol) but I still weigh over 200 lbs. so this will take me a while to become reaccustomed to riding.

Dang, bodybuilding has been my passion for almost 30 years. I have always just been a lightweight though and always just done it natural. Bodybuilding is probably my first love. That and Bmx are really close. I can remember my obsession with muscles and Bmx as far back as I can remember. I was crazy about Incredible hulk back in the early 80's and the big kids riding up my street on Black and gold Bmx bikes. Ha ha. Also, my first real Bmx bike was a 1984 Diamondback Formula One. I still have it. Yeah thanks, rolling backwards is maybe my thing but i suck at forward rolling. That is my weakness. Ha

Yes, I've always been 100% Natural for Life re; bodybuilding and powerlifting, just good genes, but after many, many years, I've learned that genetics just wasn't enough to actually "make money." - Everyone is on juice or HGH. I was always into breakdancing-popping and bmx/freestyle. Now I'm a personal trainer and have been for decades, but YES, these types of so-called "extreme-sports" all really do seem to go together very well... I'm also into skydiving, ice-climbing and BASE jumping... so, I figured I'd get back into freestyling since it's a bit safer than the former... plus I could use the cardio, etc. Hopefully I'll drop some weight and be more capable of my old flatground tricks once I lose some of this unnecessary muscle mass. ***And YES, the Incredible HULK T.v. show was my biggest inspiration as a kid also. A Bike really DOES need to become like a Third arm to truly feel comfortable enough for trick riding. I LOVE High adrenalin sports... I played many team sports, but I was never really into them, since ONE person can lose the game for everyone, so these so-called extreme sports are all far more individualized and when you win, you get all of the credit - even if it's just for fun. *And now I see on Ebay that a 100% Original Diamondback Formula One is going for $1,700. --- I wish I still had mine, although I NEVER liked the NECK... it ALWAYS moved no matter how tight it was so the handle-bars were always moving around... :) Ha! HA!

Completely agree. Cool! Ride on!

Thank you. Whoa man! Cool!!

I agree and have been saying the same thing. They need to come out with an amazing line up of retros. If they did I would buy one so long as the top tube length came in different sizes to choose from. Hazard Yellow for me or maybe a Radburry, or no maybe that peachy pink one they made whatever it was. Gosh, I would probably have to buy one of each. Ha ha

Thanks! I appreciate the props! Not much here lately. Tryin to learn the Backside Walkover and flipping the bike around backwards and back with the Funky Chicken. Getting closer everday but been busy with home remodeling and family so progress can be slow. Videos will be coming soon. Stay tuned!

You gotta get one while you have a chance. Only a few left. One of the best bikes ever IMO!

Better in every way!

Try Flatlandfuel.com. Thats where ai buy all my stuff. Great customer service.

I'm not sure what it weighs but it rides and feels much lighter than what it is. Maybe the long 20.5" top tube makes it feel that way. I am a huge fan of light weight bikes that weigh under 25 Lbs but this bike feels really nice even though its atleast 28. So, I would say weight is NOT an issue with this bike. Grab you one, I dont think you'll be dissapointed!

@@generationofbmx even my 88 master is light. that 4130 is just nice and light

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Yeah, I have a 91 Performer and the geometry is amazing. In my opinion, at least for me, I think the Performer of the late 80’s had the best geometry. Just look what the best riders were riding. Chase Gouin and Kevin Jones were both riding one.

@@generationofbmx I had the pro freestyle tour. I remember that being a little bit different than the performer body, correct?

@@williamperri3437 yes. However, the early 90’s Performers look a lot like the Pro Freestyle Tours of the late 80’s but the geo is just a little bit different but still a very comfortable rider. It seems like when I get on that bike I pull my tricks with better frequency.

@@generationofbmx yeah, after the last comment I figured the early 90s performer was very much like the pro freestyle tour. So wow! I’m excited to hear you actually like riding the GT better than the Haro. Now I haven’t ridden since 96 but I really stopped riding when I was 14 in 1990. I don’t want to spend $1000 on a bike and I trash picked an old diamondback but then lost it somehow! Anyway, do you think the GT that I can buy at dicks today hold up well against the early 90s performer?

@@williamperri3437 It will hold up well as in strength but its a completely different geometry than the old 90’s bikes. It will feel way different. My best advice I can give to you is buy an early 90’s Gt Performer or a late 90’s midschool Flatland bike.

Thats good info. Thanks

Where did you purchase from? I bought mine from Flatlandfuel. Maybe they are the only ones promoting that.

They are Haro Kneesaver bars and they come on all the 2018 Turquoise Master complete bikes. The 2017 Master complete bikes have the other bars you speak of. In 87 the bars were those kind so they made them like that in 017. In 1988 the Kneesaver bars came out so they put them on the 018 Master. Its the 30 year retro remake thing.

For starters, Bob Haro is NOT with Haro Bikes any more. John Boultgans Has now run the show over there for many years. He is the guy that is doing all these retro bikes these days. Second, I dont think they are doing these in chrome finish anymore. Mine ARE the highly polished alloy that look just like chrome. The only problem I have with them is the brake pads DO NOT grip the polished rims well and you will need to get a different set of brake pads for front and back brakes. I purchased Odyssey Ghost Clear pads from Flatlandfuel.com and they grip and stop really well now. I would reccomend you get those. Actually I like these polished alloy wheels better than chrome because I wont have to ever worry about them peeling. Chrome wheels are just too risky to peel. Hope this info helps. Stay Rad!

*Thanks - Yeah, I heard Bob Haro didn't like the chrome and how it peeled, so they must have meant John Boultgans… **And I agree, the first ride I just took today downhill it seemed like the break-pads just weren't 100% "Tight", so thanks for the advice, I'll def. check out the Odyssey Ghost Clear pads... ***Other than that it's 100% SICK! No complaints (which is rare for me))).

Heck yeah man! I agree this bike is top notch. Its probably my fave bike that I've ever had.

And before I buy these, I wanted to ask you, since you have the same bike, was this an issue for you? *This is from their website, "Clear Rubber (Soft-not recommended for chrome rims. Too grippy. Pad could get stuck to rim and fail.)" ---- But, I WANT them to be Very "grippy", so... since these aren't actually chrome, but some satin-finished alloy, it's not an issue? Ready to buy them now before I begin any flatground or jumping... ***And at PlanetBMX - these are the ones, right? www.planetbmx.com/shop/odyssey-ghost-brake-pads.html - Thanks again, - R.A.D.

Yes, those are the ones. That warning is not for us because we dont have chrome rims. These wheels are highly polished alloy. No, these pads havent posed any problems for me except that they screech sometimes. Its kind of annoying but i will take it if it gives me better stopping. You could maybe try the black so to avoid the screeching noise but you may still get poor braking. I didnt wanna play around so i went with the soft sticky clear pads just to be sure i got good braking. Even now the bike doesnt stop on the dime but that can actually be a bad thing. If the bike stops too hard and quick it can mess up a trick. But, my bike stops much better now and the bad braking is no longer an issue. Ive heard of others complaining about the bad braking with this bike too because of the polished rims.

How much

I was wondering about how to tighten that top compression bolt on my headset too. I heard you can tighten them with a socket wrench attachment. Thats the straight piece on the socket wrench that you attach the diff size sockets to. I am not sure what the spacers are that you are referring to with the pegs.that might be axel adapters for if you ever want to drop down to 3/8 axels.

GenerationOfBmx Thanks homie... Did you use those spacers for the pegs... I'm actually out of town, so I'm doing research... Thanks for the reply

I cant remember. I do see washers with my pegs. That may be them.

Thanks. Bike rides nice. Glad I made this purchase

Look on the Bmxmuseum.com Its free to join and and make purchases. Most of my best purchases have come from there. You can also ask questions and join discussions on the Forums there. Its a great place to be.

Thanks bro, I realize Comp IV's aren't made anymore so I'll definitely check out the bmxmuseum site. --- My #1 fav tire of all time.

Go onto that site and check the Catch All section in the forums. Theres all kinds of discussions there on these new haro bikes. Its cool to see everyone posting pics of there bikes and talking about the new Haro products.

Heres a good one.....bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=757138

Thanks

I had a Diamondback Formula 1 when I was a kid. I always wanted a freestyle bike but never got one. 6 years ago at 37 years old I bought a 87 Master and tried to start learning tricks. Ive gotten a pretty decent trick list learned since. I got tired of old school bikes and decided to get new school bike a few years ago. Was stoked when Haro came out with these retros so i grabbed one. Still oearningbtricks and still riding now. Just put down a deposit on a 2019 Haro Master Bashguard which comes out in March. Cool

GenerationOfBmx thats great. I used to ride in the eighties, freestyle . i have just bought a 2018 master today , and will start riding again at 47. There such a great looking bike fantastic quality. Looking forward to riding again, it takes me back & feels great. Iam in the uk .

Sweet man. Stoked for you. May i make a suggestion? Youll need to grab some different brake pads because the ones that come with the brakes on the bike will NOT grab on your polished rims. I am assuming your Master will come with polished rims instead of chrome rims right? Mine and everyone else i talked to who have polished rims on their 2018 Master had to change out the brake pads. I would recommend a clear pad. I got Odyssey Ghost Clear pads and it solved my problem.

GenerationOfBmx ye mine are the polished rims same spec bikes as you guys have in America. Iwas aware of that read on a facebook page there not up to the job . will get some ordered. 😀

Thanks bro. I am humbled. But hey, its not too late. Go to Flatlandfuel, Albes, PlanetBmx, or AceBmx online stores. They still have these. You have to get one of these bikes. They are top notch. Or, you can also still get the 2017 Master Complete bike in Neon Yellow for a killer price now. Check it out!

Well, if it were me I think I would try Windex or some other kind of glass cleaner. I've always used that to clean/polish my bikes whether it was chrome, paint, or compact disc sprockets. Also used it to get grease off after I got it on my parts after packing headsets and bottom brackets. Never had any problem with it. If it doesnt work at first just give it some time. And, you can take some sand paper and grind your pads with it a little. Just for reference, I use vegetable oil on my chains. Btw, how are the Odyssey Ghost pads working for you?

Thanks, they def work far better than the original black pads which were already leaving black-steaks all over the rims, literally even after my first half mile cruise... and I don't want to screw-up these new Ghost pads already, so now my #1 goal is to remove the excess WD-40 that ended up getting on them... I sprayed a little too much on the chain and since the chain is so close to the back break pads it got all over them, so... now the back breaks don't even work at all... but I'll fix them up... I already tried tonight to clean-up the rims and pads with some diluted "DAWN" soap only since it really cuts through grease so well. It worked a little so far, so I'll try Windex tomorrow also. === Thanks again. - R.A.D.

Did you get the breaks cleared off? Hows the bike riding? Are you happy with it?

Yes - Thanks - the ghost pads are definitely more "grippy" which I want... *The #1 issue that I've noticed is that the chain is so close to the rear brakes pads (being lower) that ANY amount of lubricant on my chain inevitably ends up getting onto the rear break pad or rear rim, which naturally becomes an issue. What also makes me feel this way is that even the original front break pads seem to stop-on-a-dime, so far... for me it's only the rear brake and even the rear break levers can't seem to be tighten-up like the front one, maybe due to the more complex gyro of the rear break, the rear break lever is just a bit loose and wiggly even through I've tried to tighten it. Did you notice this at all? --- *And HOW can you tell if we have the original rims or the newer alloys (?), unless it peels if it's chrome? Otherwise they look like chrome and everything else is 100% Perfect.

My guess is that you have the polished alloy rims like me because if you had chrome you would have never had any issue with poor braking. Your original pads would have stuck really well against the chrome rims. My rear brake lever seems to be rather tight although getting my gyro set so that it spun nicely without it clicking was a challenge.

Thanks bro!

GenerationOfBmx thank you bro it's pretty rad watching u progress and having you bring back my childhood memories.