2019 Mazda ND2 Miata (Modified) vs 2024 Mazda ND3 Miata - Head to Head Review!

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With a budget of $30-35K, are you better off buying a used ND2 with plenty of room for mods, or just going for the new ND3?
2019 ND2 Club Mod List:
Koni Adj Sport Shocks
Flyin Miata Lowering Springs
Good-Win-Racing Progress Tech Front and Rear Anti-Sway Bars
SuperPro Front Adjustable sway bar End Links
Flyin Miata Rear Adjustable sway bar End Links
Cobalt 3-Point front Shock Tower Brace
MazdaSpeed Lower Front Chassis Bar
Custom Alignment: approx. -1.1 deg camber front / -1.8 deg camber rear
StopTech Sport Front Slotted/Vented Rotors
StopTech Sport Rear Slotted Solid Rotors
Good-Win-Racing Techna-Fit Stainless Steel Brake Lines
Porterfield R4-S Brake Pads
AP Racing Super 600 Brake Fluid
Factory Engine Sound Enhancer eliminator kit
K&N air filter
Roar Pedal Bluetooth Throttle Response Controller
Flyin Miata Hush-O-Matic Exhaust with High Flow Mid-Pipe
Advan Racing TC-4 16x8 (vs. factory BBS 17x7)
General G-Max RS 225/50ZR16
ZunSport Front Grill
CravenSpeed Door Bushings
SunTek Front PPF
Guardian Designs Custom Nappa Leather Flat Bottom Steering Wheel
Guardian Designs upgraded Nappa Leather Shifter Boot and ebrake Boot
Zymexx custom leather center console with raised arm rest
CravenSpeed Red Edition Billet Tachometer Dial
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@lynnlittle8671 Месяц назад

I ordered a 2024 RF Club a few months ago, changed my mind a day later, bought the brand new 2023 RF Club with Brembo/Recaro package I test drove the day before. I have zero regrets buying the ND2 over the ND3. My only regret, not buying a Miata sooner… I love this little car!

@axelfiraxa Месяц назад

I ordered an ND3 this year in February after hearing that it is the end of the line for the 2L engine in Europe. It got made in March and arrived at the dealer in June. I have been driving it everywhere over the last 3 weeks and am very pleased with it. I FEEL like doing the BBR super 220 upgrade but it doesnt NEED it

@Kraize92 Месяц назад

ND3 doesn't support ecu flashes yet or the bbr upgrades.

@redcarrot1148 Месяц назад

I currently own an ND2 that happens to be the 30th AE. I think you are correct that there aren't enough meaningful upgrades to immediately replace an ND2 with an ND3. The smart money is to be patient and wait for the swan song edition when that time comes. That way one can have the freshest last ICE Miata to ride off to the sunset. If one does not have a Miata already, get the ND3 without question.

@jlo-504 Месяц назад

30th AE still continues to be the best Miata ever made IMO, best color ever, most features (GT + club), alcantara bits, etc. More special than any regular ND3. Let’s see what they’ll do with the 35th AE.

@Accost2u Месяц назад

Only version I’d replace mine with is if they come out with the Spirit Racing concept.

@redcarrot1148 Месяц назад

@Zygrene If you haven't driven an ND with Xida coilover, you have to find one and give it a swirl. That setup just might check the most boxes for you as both a track car and canyon carver... outside of any 718 variant.

@brucesherman7258 Месяц назад

@@jlo-504 could not disagree more. Color is a completely personal variable. Candidly, I don’t like the orange color. There were so many other, better choices that in my opinion would’ve been far more desirable. Second, what is special about the anniversary edition, other than some badges and trim? It was just a marketing ploy to get people to pay More for something with no real value and absolutely zero improvement in performance. And again, that orange paint, in my opinion is awful.

@brucesherman7258 Месяц назад

@@redcarrot1148 if you’re going to recommend something as expensive as Xidas, don’t you think you should recommend that people first consider how are they are going to use the car, what their driving style is, and whether for their particular use these expensive coilovers will make the car better or worse for them? to recommend them as a universal improvement for all drivers is not very good advice.

@gad63511 Месяц назад

The soft suspension is a good thing for enthusiasts, that way it appeals to the masses and sells in reasonable numbers

@daviewavie112 Месяц назад

It’s what makes the Miata fun imho

@gad63511 Месяц назад

@@daviewavie112 personally I think this setup is more fun with a crappy set of tires on it. I am not opposed to a soft car but there is a mismatch between the traction of a modern summer tire and spring rates like these

@Swarm509 Месяц назад

90% of people who own these will drive them on normal roads and at slow, legal, speeds so I think Mazda was right with the soft suspension. Even going flat out on a road I doubt many will care. Take it to a track and that is a totally different story, but that is why we have a strong modding community to support that with aftermarket parts.

@somestuffithoughtyoumightl6985 Месяц назад

Depends on what kind of car you want. I test drove a nicely modded ND2 and a 30AE. I ended up going for a new ND3 because this car is my daily and most of my fun driving will be imperfect canyon roads, rather than smooth track days. This is what a stock Miata was built for

@mattylight8600 Месяц назад

The clunking on the ND2 could be because the the Koni’s are riding on the bump stocks. Flyin Miata has a specific perch height to use on the Konis with their springs. They may be set too low. Hard to tell.

@matsudakodo Месяц назад

What you could be experiencing with the steering is differences in tires. When I changed tires, I noticed reduced steering effort, for example.

@_anty_ Месяц назад

That suspension and brakes set up is surprisingly identical to Fiat Abarth I had a few years ago. It was great to drive, but terrible to live with 😂 If I go back again to Miata land - the only things I may change is the exhaust.

@Kacpa2 Месяц назад

And Rims and tyres. It looks muvh better on 16" rims with fatter tyre. More comfy on bumpier roads too

@Swarm509 Месяц назад

@@Kacpa2 Fat tire Miata is a look I need more of in my life.

@keith61 Месяц назад

Thanks for the excellent review of the differences. I’ll definitely keep my ND2 and enjoy it to the fullest.

@ZacharySound Месяц назад

I just picked up a 2022 ND2 Club 3 weeks ago with 16k miles and I definitely thought this would be all I need wtih no need to just sping for the ND3. Your info on the Koni suspension vs the stock helps. I'd do want to make my ND2 feel less heavy and more nimble but would like to keep that nice stock suspension comfort. Pretty sure I'm going to at least do sway bars and lighter wheels for now if I don't throw on lowering springs/shocks.

@itaybutavia1204 Месяц назад

👍 Thanks for your review and information. ND3 my dream car! Hope I will able to buy one by the end of the year.

@Carl_JohnsonOGF Месяц назад

I’ve been really considering a ND3 as my 3rd car. I just might wait to see if they release something better

@bearclaw5115 Месяц назад

You'll be waiting a while. Probably 2yrs at least.

@knucklesatx Месяц назад

Bruh, I need to know about that elbow pad on that ND2. Most important mod on the whole car for M6 cars!

@bricksbeersbeards9368 Месяц назад

had the choice between a new 2023 ND2 or a new 2024 ND3, was the second to last new 2023 at a dealer in the entire state as far as I could find, decided to save about $4-5K (were able to talk down and get some incentives) and went with the 2023 and have never looked back or had any second guesses, liked the interior improvements in the 2024 but mechanicals were hard to justify, steering in ND2 wasn't an issue for us although you could feel some difference in longer, harder cornering in the 2024. most often too conservative to threaten my life by kicking out the rear on a canyon road (Colorado) great car.

@gpajic1987 Месяц назад

Can't wait for your review on a proper modded cammed 2.5L NC 👌

@panamera53 Месяц назад

I'm going to get a ND1 Miata RF Club once I pay student loans off. Do the suspension, brake, and tires. Plan would be to v8 swap with a LS1 or LS3. It's been my dream build since I was in my early 20s.

@tealruby1 Месяц назад

Pro gamer tip, find someone that already did the swap and buy it off them.

@judge831 Месяц назад

I was in agreement until you said LS swap...GAY

@hamzaashraf1567 Месяц назад

It’s easier to buy a c5

@Kacpa2 Месяц назад

Dont swap it. Youbdont eben understand the point of the car if you think of that. Try stock ND2 and you will see it doesnt need anything more to be fun. You will have less of a chance to have fun, let alone safely with a V8. It will also be much heavier for no good reason.

@hitlersmissingtesticle69 Месяц назад

While I think the ls1 or ls3 would be super cool in an nd1, I think you’d be better off putting money into a k swap, and boost so you can get all the power you’d want while also maintaining your 50/50 weight distribution. The LS being so heavy would make this car turn like shit to be honest, but if youre just looking to have a v8 Miata, regardless of handling then I’d recommend listening to tealruby, it’d be extremely expensive and a ton of fabrication to ls swap an Mx-5, find someone who’s done it and buy it from them, easier and cheaper amigo.🫡

@user-ur9gj6ju5z Месяц назад

What's upsetting is sportscar makers have abandoned hydraulic racks. You have to get a Lotus or a 15+ year old car to get the better steering.

@EchoSigma6 Месяц назад

I have a modded NC1, they can be had for half the price of a ND2 and 1/3 the price of a ND3. Just put a set of coil overs and a flush fitment of wheels and tires to make the NC look and grip better.

@BryceWomeldurf 10 дней назад

I wish Mazda had left the wheels alone. The ND3 wheels look so ugly and cheap compared to the earlier design. But I guess they fit in better with the wheels on the newer CX crossovers. And they're easy enough to change. I'm a little envious of the wireless Android Auto/CarPlay. The new rack and lsd and lights would be nice, but I'm glad that they haven't changed enough that I feel like I'm missing much in my ND2. Such a great car!

@quincyfry6569 Месяц назад

2016 nd1 club stock w/ 90k Waiting for that final edition ice nd3/4 to release before seriously modding and overhauling the nd1.

@TheTonyHurt Месяц назад

Cold air filter with a Thorsen chip 2020 MX5 adds about 40-60 hp

@DaveSimkus День назад

Cries in ND1

@tizodd6 Месяц назад

I'm normally not a fan of red, but there's just something about that Mazda red

@adamn389 Месяц назад

Softer suspension has more mechanical grip. The stiffer you make the suspension the more you increase tendency for snap overstear...or what this reviewer is calling nervousness. Engineering Explained channel explains this concept with physics calculations as proof.

@nlxsteve Месяц назад

Yes, the reviewer is very well aware of these suspension tuning principles. Not sure which question you’re answering here. Can you clarify? You also can’t say that “softer has more mechanical grip.” If that’s true, why don’t all race cars just have soft suspension? There are huge amounts of variables to consider when suspension tuning. Also, the Miata cup cars run shorter and stiffer suspension.

@Janiix89 Месяц назад

The suspension is so soft and body roll so bad that i literally lose visibility from the front fender lifting up so much - that was my experience from test driving nd2- if I ever get a newer miata definitely will need stiffer sway bar

@MrSuryapratim Месяц назад

Genuinely confused by this misrepresentation of the prices. The Brembo/Recaro soft top miata is at least a high 38k car. Unlike the RF where for the club comes standard with the Brembos, the soft top requires a $4800 option. In my opinion that is a categorically different deal compared to what is being said here. It is debatable as to whether the big brake kit is necessary. But what is clear is that it turns the miata into a near as makes no difference $40k proposition which is categorically a different thing from the $34k proposition that you mention in your callouts.

@Zygrene Месяц назад

Good catch, my mistake. I missed the fact that the Brembo/BBS/Recaro is extra $4-5K on top of the soft top Club.

@MrSuryapratim Месяц назад

Hey @@Zygrene, didn't mean for this to come across as too harsh, and I apologize if it did. I had a quick question for you, in terms of the brake feel, specifically with respect to pedal firmness and initial bite, did you find a big difference, were the stock floating calipers disappointing at all?

@Zygrene Месяц назад

@@MrSuryapratim all good. The Brembos definitely have better pedal feel, especially the deeper you go into the pedal. Not sure if there's a big difference in initial bite.

@Accost2u Месяц назад

@@Zygrene from what I’ve read, the brembos have a higher ceiling for repeated stops due to larger pads and pistons. But the stock pads and fluid aren’t more aggressive so the bite isn’t much different until you upgrade the pads.

@johnhartman5507 Месяц назад

Did you turn the KPS off in the modded 23' car? If not, there's your nervous feeling in the turns when combined with suspension modifications. Ask me how I know. 😎

@Accost2u Месяц назад

It was a 2019, so no KPC. My ‘23 definitely feels more planted with KPC off when going fast.

@rksyt838 Месяц назад

KPC is so under-discussed. It absolutely hurts the car's feel when you're hustling it. I had a 2019, 2022, and 2023 now (long story), same roads, it just doesn't flow as well with KPC on. Why they didn't include an option to turn it off (except but turning off stability) is beyond me. Great car but still, silly move.

@CancelledMcCree Месяц назад

I enjoyed the video thanks for the upload! I’ll be in the market for a ‘twin’ & the ND2/ND3! Btw, does anyone know the brand of the aftermarket steering wheel in the ND2? Thanks!

@judge831 Месяц назад

I own a 2018 Club and drove a 2019 GT. The extra 25 hp felt irrelevant. The shocks on the Club make a big difference in body control. Get an ND1 and upgrade suspension and tires. If you want more power, supercharge it. 200 hp/ torque is perfect.

@jonboy602 Месяц назад

Please comment if the ND3 has any noticeable rev hang over the ND2. Thanks!

@somestuffithoughtyoumightl6985 Месяц назад

ND3 owner here; definitely zero hang! As a matter of fact, I had to get used to how quick you shift 3-6 because of how fast those 500rpm drop each time

@TT92348 Месяц назад

@@somestuffithoughtyoumightl6985the rev hang is primarily the 1-2 shift. Not fixed on nd3

@njasicko Месяц назад

@@TT92348 Fab9 tuning can fix it.

@Zygrene Месяц назад

I didn't feel any noticeable rev hang in either ND2 or ND3

@Accost2u Месяц назад

ND 1 and 2 don’t have rev hang. But they do have an assist feature that holds revs between 1st and 2nd to smooth it out.

@donnyhunke3903 Месяц назад

ND2 with sway bars andsprings.

@Gohsted Месяц назад

9:22 ill go ahead and snag that in the background anyday

@Sayu2x Месяц назад

I hope you review that RS.

@Zygrene Месяц назад

I did! Stay tuned

@Fatal_Inertia Месяц назад

I often see a lot of people downsize their wheels on their Miatas. Is this just for a fatter tire/better ride? If someone could explain that to me that'd be awesome. I just kept the stock wheels on my NB back in the day.

@supermazda3 Месяц назад

Do you have Ron's contact, that ND2 is capable of a lot more with a tune 😅

@gibsonisthename Месяц назад

now this is actually a miata

@churchofbrap876 Месяц назад

Why 225/50ZR16 tires on the ND2? For the look?

@FATmenDRIVEtrucks Месяц назад

You ever shop 16 inch tires? Very limited choices always been that way vs 15/17

@churchofbrap876 Месяц назад

@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks Why do 16's then. Is it for the chunky tire look? I'd think you'd get alot of sidewall flex

@jjchockey Месяц назад

@@churchofbrap87650 profile tire is the go to for the vast majority of enthusiasts. Not really what I would call “chunky” that’s 55 and up which some people run.

@churchofbrap876 Месяц назад

@@jjchockey since when? I have 3 cars, 1 with 45 series and 2 with 40. And I rarely see 16's on these.

@jjchockey Месяц назад

@@churchofbrap876 it’s the stock size. No point in having bigger wheels it’s just more weight. Personally don’t like the look either.

@fmtien Месяц назад

How much of the more planted rear end could be due to the RF hard top vs ST?

@lucianolucidi8624 Месяц назад

Is there any way to improve the steering wheel to the nd3's from an nd 2? How?

@terencemichel8972 Месяц назад

Do I lose the moving headlights of the GT when I add the club package ??

@davebakshani8591 Месяц назад

I have a 2023 RF Club and the headlight do not move.

@Austinomon Месяц назад

It's a useless feature I had it on my GT and tbh I wish I would have bought the club trim instead.

@Accost2u Месяц назад

Cornering headlights are only on the GT trim and can’t be added later to the club trim. But the recaro / BBS wheel and brembo brakes are only on the club trim.

@brightenupcc Месяц назад

Would you say the same if you had a ND1 1.5L?

@romeored3889 Месяц назад

🎉

@njasicko Месяц назад

Strange camber adjustments on that ND2. My ND2 (2019 Club RF, BBS, Recaro) with a full Cup Car setup (sent from Long Road racing in 2019) is setup for -2.1 all the way around. Those koni/lowering springs are junk. Also all those "marketing" terms for the ND3 are laughable. Two weeks ago at our local autocross meet there was an ND3 there that many of us were able to drive back to back. Extra steering feel or a "better" LSD, haha sure Mazda... Anyone holding out to get a ND3 for a "better" setup is wasting their time unless they need a "new" car. Any media pundit saying that the ND3 is better are being paid.

@Accost2u Месяц назад

Coleman needed to exaggerate to the changes to sell more cars. It’s all marginal changes and not worth upgrading from a ND2. I drove them b2b and wouldn’t say there’s more than a 1% difference in steering or corner feel. What people aren’t talking about is how the all new ECU and wiring harness may never be able to be cracked due to new EU laws so a ND3 may never be able to get an engine tune or forced induction.

@LongLiveJapan87 Месяц назад

I’m going to buy new because I know how people neglect and abuse their cars.

@Accost2u Месяц назад

Most Miatas are owned by 85 year olds that think they’re collectible Ferraris. You can find amazing deals on lightly used ones and save yourself some 💰

@jamongkad Месяц назад

@@Accost2uthats how I got my 3,500 mile 22 RF lol. Old dude treated like a $100,000 car. Always thankful to him however as he treated the car with respect!

@churchofbrap876 Месяц назад

@@Accost2uya these cars are typically owned by adults, not 23 year olds who mod the crap out of the car and beat it up street racing lol

@njctboy Месяц назад

What’s the best suspension upgrade on ND2, fellas? 95% street use; under $2K grand total, pls~

@gad63511 Месяц назад

Wait for the tecna coilovers which are apparently only a couple months away from being released. It's the best of all worlds: 90% of the performance of aluminum bodied coilovers, but they are steel so there are no periodic rebuilds, which are a major pain in the ass if you don't do your own work. If you're 100% sure you don't want to adjust your ride height and are ok with a standard drop than there are many good options for conventional shocks/springs already available, including the koni setup in this vid

@njctboy Месяц назад

@@gad63511 Thx, bud 😎 Half ‘o my buddies have pointed to BC, whereas the other half are mixed b/w Flyin’ Miatas, Meister, or Bilstein. Any advice, pls?

@longbeachams Месяц назад

Spend an extra $400 and get ohlins road and track. On the softest setting it’s extremely comfortable and doesn’t blow you back out. Also if you want it firm then they can definitely be adjusted for firm ride for track use or curvy roads within a minute. I currently run them and highly recommend them. Besides you pay for what you get.

@gad63511 Месяц назад

@@longbeachams most people asking this question are not aware that you have to rebuild them several times throughout ownership which is a pretty significant cost. If your vendor doesn't take cores then you either need to buy two sets or leave your car on stands for weeks. Almost everyone doing "95% street" does not want this. This goes for pretty much any aluminum bodied coilover including xidas fox etc

@edhot5613 Месяц назад

axelfiraxa Hi don't do the BBR upgrade a friend of mine has had nothing but problems with it and BBRGTI are not keen on helping. They just blaming him( long story), I have an ND2 myself and although his car is faster in a straight line (when its running right) its so much closer on the twisty roads. Only mod ive done is change from 17" wheels to 16" and lowered 25-30mm. I have never laughed so much when driving. all the best and enjoy. 🙂

@royaltyallen1162 Месяц назад

Whats the name of that canyon road?

@pushslice Месяц назад

It is the secret of us East Bay residents ;-P

@royaltyallen1162 Месяц назад

@@pushslice No worries,I'm a Bay Area resident. So what's the road called?

@pushslice Месяц назад

@@royaltyallen1162 Mines Road heading south from Livermore (although in most of those shots, he is heading north towards Livermore) Pinky-swear you will not tell anyone ???

@royaltyallen1162 Месяц назад

@@pushslice thanks man and i pinky swear :) Also I'm surprised I've already drove in that Mines Road before when i went to Lick Observatory. But it was at night time though(don't go at night) lol. I was stuck in that road for over 2 hours :)

@pushslice Месяц назад

@@royaltyallen1162 yeah that's not the safest place to do a nighttime drive. that's why all the astronomers have dorms up there ;-} it's a fantastic loop to drive, but my driving/trackday buds and I only do group-drives there anymore. we've run into tire mishaps, and getting stuck up there alone def sucks.

@judge831 Месяц назад

They added 100 lbs and still no glovebox

@Maaaaaax-07 Месяц назад

Damn that ND3 is soo fucking high of the ground, looks like a god damn monster truck

@axelfiraxa Месяц назад

Yeah but i dont worry about leaving the front diffuser in every curb that i approach.

@Maaaaaax-07 Месяц назад

@@axelfiraxa you could buy an SUV

@Kacpa2 Месяц назад

@@Maaaaaax-07 Dont be ridiculous. Old sportscars were higher riding while veing just as low seating. Its good for being like this. i am fed up of cars that scrape on everything for no reason than 'aero'.

@Maaaaaax-07 Месяц назад

@@Kacpa2 Are we still in 1950 ? Times have changed ...

@cars Месяц назад

…or buy a low miles s2000 while you still can

@Zygrene Месяц назад

@@cars guess what comparison publishes in 2 weeks 😏

@TT92348 Месяц назад

Yep. Sold my ND2 for an S2000

@z32luvr Месяц назад

I agree but low mileage S2000’s aren’t too rare. Plenty to go around. Definitely a good time to buy. Better in every way except in the tech department but that can be fixed.

@sunnyvalentino Месяц назад

Those mods on the ND2 are over $10K in parts, $8k to 10k more to install. Just that steering wheel is $800

@Accost2u Месяц назад

That’s like $1500 in suspension, $1200 in wheels and completely DIY to install. What are you on about?

@longbeachams Месяц назад

Yeah no absolutely not. I have a nd2 with Ohlins road and track $2300 plus volk te37 with matching center caps and with tires $3600. Plus a Cusco strut tower $200 with a tomei exhaust $900 and to finish it off I have a Recaro rs-gk seat with pci sliding seat rail $2100. Only labor I paid for was the alignment which was the flyin miata spec at my local dealership which was like $120. That’s under 10k! 😂

@Saboda53 Месяц назад

Thanks for the effort, but sorry, you lost me at “this engine is way too quiet from the factory, in my opinion”. No, it is not too quiet, in my opinion.