2019 Mazda ND2 Miata (Modified) Track Review - Better Than An S2000? 

Top down is the only way.. I have my FiST for rainy days :)

Rainy day sad because no top down, but happy because easy skids

rainy day is drift day .. u should find fun with miata in all weather

LOL

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@@taol8258 wow. That "note" makes no logical sense. But it's exactly what I felt.

Seems as if it adds more boost/assist under hard braking. Maybe to reduce fatigue for frequent / endurance racing? Or for safety for little legs haha?

@@SereneSpeed No idea I gave up and just brake a little earlier and brake softer i.e. no stabbing the brake pedal. This may have changed with the ND3, I believe Dave Coleman talks about it or something along the lines of a track mode in one of the latest ND3 videos from Savagegeese.

@@taol8258 indeed think they addressed it since was a complaint from people tracking

@@Zygrenemost newish cars add brake assist as the common person doesn’t apply enough in emergency situations. I had to disable all of it in my e9x cars when on track.

How many miles on the rx-8?

@@86surge90 about 118K of a combination of daily driving and hard track use. I bought a Camaro SS 1LE so the RX8 will become more a Miata like weekend car again. Before it was mostly track use. If you are interested I made a video on my channel that goes over in detail of what it was like owing the car all these years.

I grew up with RX7’s and had a chance to drive the RX8 at the Skip Barber school at Laguna Seca many years ago, and it is a truly wonderful chassis that doesn’t get enough love. There aren’t many cars that truly feel balanced, with connection to the throttle, allowing off throttle oversteer, but that’s the RX8. It’s a wonderful car to drive on track.

@@joeracer302 I agree. Cars like the RX8 are becoming extinct unfortunately

@@joeracer302 NC miata is on the same chassis (just shorter wheelbase).. should have similar characteristics (i havent driven one recently).. My ND1 will definitely do liftoff oversteer and trailbraking without even blinking

heh, what badge # Type-RA? I had 'Tax Day'.. #415

@@dre32pitt I had 196. Wish I kept it longer, sold it before the pandemic price bump lol

@@stevemartegani I got mine for 42k.. put 11k miles on it.. sold it to dealership for 45.5k lolol edit: i got lucky.. had an FK8 before that.. 39k purchased.. and same deal, lol.. put 10k miles on it and sold it to carmax for 47.5k

@@dre32pitt I bought mine new for $4500 off MSRP since it was sitting on the lot for 6 months. The transmission grenaded on Thunderhill West of all things (I felt like it was having issues from day 1).

@@stevemartegani Never tracked mine.. just threw on a AWE track on it and made noise everywhere i went lol

100% agree

You have the Brembos?

@@sdlausen1 Wilwood 6 pistons with 12.88 rotors, G-Loc R12s. It does ok but still not flawless. Could see a AP racing Radi-CAL in my future.

@@GoDriveMX5 look up Miataspeed. They make a brake booster controller that might help you out.

Could it possibly be a rotor + pad compound combination? I’ve found stoptech rotors to be a good baseline to measure performance.

Same. Maybe next year.

@@Zygrene Seeeeeee.. I told you the Teggy was a bad idea for you lol.. You need RWD or AWD w/RWD bias.. that's your happy place.. The real question is.. where do you want the engine to be??? FR, MR, or RR

@@dre32pitt ideally FR. Easiest to control. Will probably keep the Integra either way though. Love it as a daily

@@Zygrene I hear you.. Yea, it does make for a great daily.. i had an FK8 for about a year and it was probably the best hot hatch i owned (ive owned several...), BUT.. not the most fun.. That would be the Fiesta ST, which is my 'beater' (second one ive bought too).. FR... you looking new or used? New.. pickins is slim for sure.. Used, there's almost too many choices lol.. All the stuff that comes to mind is your typical track stuff.. Miata.. Twins.. e36.. e46.. Just gotta drive stuff and see what talks to you.. Random, but what about a 1LE camaro.. but not the v8 (hear me out).. the 4 cylinder turbo is quite good (Randy Pobst loves his) and the v6 actually sounds pretty goddamn good with the performance exhaust.. Everyone's done the v8, but dont see too much on these other powerplant options.. we know the chassis is fantastic, so that's good.. Probably harder to find, but cheaper than the v8 1le.. just a thought :). happy hunting!

E36 with S65

(F)ront engine, (R)ear wheel drive

@@ftovr2957 Thanks. First time seeing this acronym written in text form.

@@DeanBKK No probs. There is certainly a lot of shorthand to absorb lol

@@DeanBKK FR = front engine, rear wheel drive. RR = rear engine, rear wheel drive (only used in Porsche 911's). MR = mid engine, rear wheel drive. FF = front engine, front wheel drive. I learned this back in the 90's from Gran Turismo 1 on the PS1 as a kid lmao.

GR86 if you can only have 1 car.. ND if you can have a 'beater' as well

I too wish they sold a coupe or something even more sporty. But the RF is right there

@@dre32pitt Subaru Engine. No, I would Not consider that car.

@@lamesamelame Just overfill by .5-1qt and call it a day.. Get an accusump if you're really worried ($800).. I too prefer the ND (I have an ND1).. Just sharper responses than the twins.. But you do need a second car.. or at least most people do (i did just the miata for about 3-4 months then picked up a FiST.. got tired of limiting my costco runs lolol) Edit: and my ND1 and FiST cost less, total, than a new Gr86/BRZ

@@dre32pittmisha came out with a new video of their gr86 and it’s having a sort of sludge issue and spun a bearing I believe because of the rtv possibly, fortunately Toyota are coming out with new sports cars in the near future

I felt same when I had s2000. I couldn’t bear attention with top down. I got over it only with hat on for some reason. Literally only thing stopping me from buying another

It's the Garmin Catalyst

@@mochanges Thanks, will need to read up on it. Currently Miata shopping for a track car.

@@dmeets it's a solid product, there is good FB group and people fairly often sell theirs if you are open to a used one. And they often go on sale for big holidays.

I think the MX-5 is far funnier 😅

That's about $15k in mods

BBK is probably $4k TE37 are probably $3-4k. Tires $800-1000k Seat $2k Coilovers $2-3k. Exhaust who knows. $1k? You get the idea. Not cheap.

Around $15k sounds right, but I don't know how much the owner paid

About $50k all brand new car/mods or you could get a Camaro SS1LE/Supra your choice

@MikeFoster1 I actually own a 3.0 supra. Want to put a nd1/2 miata next to it because I miss low powered manual rwd shenanigans

It's great for my use case because it's an extra video source if my GoPros fail, plus I find the advanced coaching feature fairly useful

Hard question. I prefer the approachability of the GR86/BRZ chassis and the extra power, but objectively the ND probably handles better. Light weight + double wishbone is hard to beat.

Is that even a serious question? Mazda's engine won't blow up on hard right hand turns.

Easy... If you can only have one car, go with the twins.. if you can have more than one car, go with The Answer + 'DD/beater'.. that's my current setup after 2 decades of buying compromise vehicles (hot hatches/sedans).. More, in this case, is actually more :)

S2K is better than both, but not the best daily.

@@z32luvr define “better”

They fixed it later on

​@@FATmenDRIVEtrucksabsolument pas, les modèles 2023 sont particulièrement touchés sur les ND2.

If its a clean example, yes, all day

That's a hard question. Probably depends on the condition of the S2K and what mods it already has. I wouldn't buy a stock one at this point.

@@Zygreneinteresting to hear to get a modded one. I was mainly looking at 70-120k examples that are stock so I have a clean slate to start with but that would be pushing it in the $22-30k range bay area pricing

@@WatchingRU-vidVidyou can get

Did you guys watch the speed academy K24 NC Miata? I think that's the true S2000 killer and there lap times proved it

How? S2K is better.

@@z32luvr is it though? Is over 15 years old now and not really competitive anymore. The hype from people is keeping it relevant.

I'm just here to trigger VTEC loyalists. Mission accomplished lol

then you need to drive an ND

S2K is still king 25 years later. Don’t kid yourselves.

I'd certainly hope something developed 15 years later would be better. I think the fact that the S2000 is still a benchmark so many years later is a testament to it's engineering.

Totally agree. The ND and GR86 has surpassed the S2K but the fact that a 20 year old S2K is still the benchmark and arguably is just as fast speaks volumes!

Incorrect.

S2K is still way better. What are you guys talking about?

N'importe quoi la comparaison est totalement à côté de la plaque