I prefer the Honda for the following...its bigger..approach and departure angles are better and I love the engine..i don't drive far to work or partying..and if I have to go to the mountains I like the 3.5 v6 better..
@U Betcha it depends what different people are looking for actually. They are also not in the same category so i wouldn’t say that the RAV is a joke. I’ve been in my uncle’s a several time and it’s a pretty good car
Go with the Rav if commuting is 95% of what you do, go with the passport if you want to get on a little more harrowing trails that aren't obviously out of its league. I just like the fact I can get a Rav get 40 mpg and have the ability to handle rougher roads plus snow and ice.
Go with the Rav if commuting is 95% of what you do, go with the passport if you want to get on a little more harrowing trails that aren't obviously out of its league. I just like the fact I can get a Rav get 40 mpg and have the ability to handle rougher roads plus snow and ice.
Just bought the RAV4 a month ago and its been amazing. Its seen snow, road trips, heavy rain, small water crossing, forest roads, and daily use. Its been great so far and has been getting 31mpg the whole time we have owned it. I did not opt for the Adventure and rather saved a lot by getting the XLE AWD with a few added packages. Once I found out the added lift on the Adventure comes from only the larger tires I thought I could just get my own wheel/tire package.
Probably for the best. Working for a Toyota dealer in northeastern USA, the Adventure and TRD Off-Road models of the RAV4 are a rare breed. I've seen maybe one or two Adventure's come through in my two years working there. XLE with the AWD is still quite capable and much more affordable. Good for you.
I haven't driven a Passport but I can speak from very recent experience about a Honda Pilot. Same system and such, once in an ice storm and another in 4 inches of snow with stock tires AWD and it was excellent. No issues or slippage and the "snow" mode did seem to make a difference on merging lanes with accumulation.
I've driven my 2003 Pilot through 8 inches of snow - no issues (with good tires), and I've "off-roaded" it through rock and mud trails like there's no tomorrow - the AWD system is really fricken good. Never been stuck. I would love to get a passport, put some skidplates and 2-3" lift with 30-32" tires and turn it into an overland machine - but that price ... $10,000 less and it would be a no brainer for many, but as is its hard to justify.
Finally get to see the 2019 Rav4 adventure! I've been waiting for you guys to take it through your normal test to see how the new AWD system does off road.
Add a turbo to it, TRD , fox shocks, rear locker, a track, the off road cruise control thing. Bring back the 2 door and boom we have a mini FJ. Actually spice things up and add a 3.5l v6 and front lockers as well Scratch that add the 4.0 if possible and maybe add a diesel option as well
I work at a Honda dealership in new england and let me tell u we get buried with snow...the passport is an absolute monster when it comes to driving through a foot of snow
I do like the Honda because of the v6 towing up to 5000lb Great vehicle for towing my boat , I have the old pilot and I love it, I towed ALL over gravel roads muddy roads and in the water to launch my boat were there is no landing never had a problem. The Passport looks very interesting.
Wait for the reliability of the Passport ZF 9spd transmission. Your Pilot probably had a great transmission. The new generation of fuel efficient transmissions are a mixed bag. The current Pilot upper trim levels have some complaints.
@@wcjeep I believe they have finally worked out the issues of the 9 speed, but I that is the big question part of the vehicle. It is a Chrysler tranny is what I hear, weird, but maybe not so much as Honda has nevery built a great Auto, well maybe the 6 speed in the Pilot...
@@kartboarder22g17 it's my understanding the ZF transmission is German built. They make other transmissions that are rated reliable. I keep bringing it up to inform people of its spotty history.
It’s amazing how many people will talk crap about the RAV4’s engine who have never driven one. I’ve had one for over a month and the engine is not underpowered. It by no means is the fastest but it is more than enough power. If you want a “fast” SUV then you are looking the in wrong segment!
Sham Pain Jones I bought a rav for city driving and comfort so okay? Lol. I live in urban Texas I don’t need any off road capabilities. On road rav is way better than any Jeep in every aspect. Have you ever heard Jeeps= just expect every problem. Toyota by far has better reliability than any Jeep product so idk where you are getting information.
Sham Pain Jones dude the RAV4 has a automatic. Really don’t care about your opinion I’ve owned a Tacoma, Camry, and RAV4 and never had a single issue. So you can spew all the bs you want but at the end of the day Toyota has never failed me and I will continue to buy their products.
TFL can you guys make a review comparing the Passport's AWD system to Jeep's Quadra-Drive II? I'm not usually into crossovers, but a clutched-based system sounds great despite Honda's omission of a transfer case.
Quadra drive ii has three lsd’s that essentially lock all four wheels to the drivetrain, it’s likely the bes there is and should not be compared to these vehicles designed for snow and light gravel roads
For anyone who wants to know what the “Fun” setting in the RAV4 Adventure is: Sport Mode & Mud & Sand Terrain Mode, Hold traction Control button down for 5 seconds, shifter in Manual/S-Mode & shift the gears yourself for maximum control! You’re Welcome!!! 🚙💨🌀
This is not a true comparison. You're comparing apples to oranges. The RAV4 competes against the CRV. The Passport competes against the EDGE and MURANO. They both work well with snow tires but the RAV4 seems a lot more fun to throw around.
True, but the CRV does not have an "off-road" variant nor does the Edge or Murano. They are in different segments but both might be a consideration for someone looking for something with a little off-road capability and not willing to put up with Jeep quality issues. IMO. . .
@@briand.1694 I definitely agree. It's a good comparison because they're similarly sized 'adventure' vehicles. The CRV comes with a less robust AWD system.
Good comparison this is because both have the same drive train essentially, except the RAV 4 can disconnect the driveshaft for mpg... A lower trim RAV4 AWD system, well that just straight up would be horrible as its been proven in the past.
@@kartboarder22g17 I've never been stuck...I go places I shouldn't go. Not sure what a person needs in an everyday driver other than what my 2010 and 2013 delivers. I bought them as simple AWD cars to get us to where we need to go and videos to prove they'll do what we need them to do, especially in snow. If you want a true off-road vehicle, there are vehicles for that 💁
I tested Forester Sport and Rav4 (I forgot option but similar price 29,5k) 6 weeks ago. I preferred Forester's ride. More stable and convincing. Forester is far better on snow. I did not like Rav4 interior. I am average 5'10" but that silly tablet was little far for me to use it comparing to Forester's panel. Forester interior is nicer and more convenient to use and monitor all that electronics. RV4 is also noisier. Toyota is most reliable brand but they should invest more in interior and ergonomics.
Great review Nathan, keep up the good work. I like the look of both vehicles, maybe the Toyota a bit more, but if it were my dollars being spent I wouldn't consider the RAV 4 because of the 4 cylinder engine. The older models had an option of a 3.5 V6 which was a beautiful engine, incredibly smooth and very fast. Even if Toyota had a turbo I still wouldn't buy one. Nothing compares to the torque and smoothness of a V6. I would look at the 4 cylinder if fuel economy was my driving factor I suppose. I'd love to see a comparison of the AWD systems with the two vehicles from this comparison with their snow tires. Take them out after a snow storm in deep snow and compare them and see what you like better and why.
Compared to the RAV4 Adventure, the 2019 Forester has slightly greater ground clearance (8.7" vs. 8.6") and greater approach (22.9 vs 19) and departure (24.6 vs. 21) angles. Even the CRV has better approach and departure angles (although lower ground clearance at 8.2")
I've driven both car's and I have to say the Subaru feels a lot nicer from the cock pit, it great visibility and a huge moon roof. However, the only reason I would never go for the forester is because how unreliable the CVT transmissions are. Also, working on those H patterned engines can be a hassle sometimes.
@hurricane watcher Subaru's engine's and AWD system hasn't change since the 90's. They utilized outdated tech. Subaru is just known for AWD because they put it in every single care they make.
Saw a new RV4 in person, doesn't look as bad as shown in pic or videos at all, especially with a regular automatic tranny reliability really good competitor to the Forester Sport, like the subie not the CVT, but at the end of the day Toyota won't let you down in terms of reliability and quality not too as confident as Honda or Subie
My 2019 RAV4 limited acts like a marshmallow in snow. It’s soooo lightweight. I haven’t put snow tires on it and wasn’t aware that I needed them considering it was an SUV type car and also AWD. I think i was wrong? Will getting snow tires make that much of a difference, because right now I’m not liking my RAV4, its just too light weight, blows around in the wind, has ALOT of road noise and crappy in the snow. I just dont feel safe.
Honda does not offer an "off-road" capable CRV and likely never will with the Passport on the market. Besides, the CRV has a CVT trans which would be horrible in this segment.
I have the 20" tires with the Venza... it is not very good, I felt every bump on the road. Not sure if the Passport 20" tires would be any difference and I certainly hope it is better at damping some of the road bumps. The 20" tires look good but, believe me, you will get old when you feel very gravel on the road :(.
@@jessekooistra6200 The 20" tires were the original tires that come equipped with the car...I double checked tire pressure to make sure it was not over inflated as well. I already sold the Venza but, I know I could actually feel just about very gravel on the road, it just wasn't all that comfy :). I do think the 20" tires look cool though.
Paul C the suspension & shock is the main factor that comes into play when it comes with bumps and whatnot. Id say test drive both the vehicles and maybe go over some potholes of there are any to see what you prefer. Dont know too much about these cars since i drive a truck and the suspension is very different haha
Every single episode “it’s not a real manly off-road 4WD because it doesn’t have lockers” but they continue to review the vehicles that everyone else buys.
I see all these AWD suv.. Im really surprised no manufacturer has taken the opportunity to make a small true 4x4 suv that's fuel efficient. Seems the market is ripe for them with everyone wanting essentially a more capable Subaru.
if both have the same prices, I take honda passport that have v6, biger and aple car play, android auto, but rav 4 is smaller, less power and no android auto.
They are I just priced them and the RAV 4 is a hair cheaper than the Honda. Both of these are about $35k once you equip at min. Now... the RAV 4 has better mpg, but the Honda has better power. Honda has way more cargo room, RAV 4 has a negligible amount more of ground clearance but worse angles then the Honda. I'm with you, i own a Forester now, but down the road if I need more room but not more rows, I think I'd pick up a Passport. Granted Toyota will still have the better dependability factor. Also Honda Passport doesn't allow you to choose their pilot 6 speed, but instead you are stuck with the Chrysler 9 speed. It seems though they have ironed out the issues with the 9 speed, or at least lets hope so.
One thing wasn't explained was the snow mode also has eco, normal, and sport which i found out on my own on sport it shows red with snow flakes i like to see a video of this
Am I watching the wrong video? Nathan said the Rav4 was going to "plow a little bit " with only 8.6" of clearance in those conditions then shows him driving over hard packed snow not even an inch deep lmao I think you're safe from plowing hoss
@@NathanDAdlen So, understeer. Nathan replying on his own time, good work nathan. You guys need to do a review of the Mitsubishi Mirage. I own two and my mirage videos have over 60k views, see my channel. people like them. Just make sure you test a 5spd. not the cvt which everyone tests.
@@pryme2013 You know what? I had repeatedly and specifically asked Mitsubishi for a Mirage 5-speed loan. I felt the manual would have worked (much) better at high elevation. I wanted to do a mpg loop and even a long term evaluation of the car. I like small/tiny cars and I'm the guy at TFL that sees the positive in inexpensive rides. Unfortunately, they have sent nothing. I'll keep trying.
@@NathanDAdlen Thanks a lot for the reply. Yeah I figured you would enjoy one. We have a pair of identical 17 se 5spds and they are fantastic little cars, EASILY blowing away the EPA numbers. There are a few really high mile Mirages on the Mirage forum, two of which are over 230k nearly trouble free miles. If I was in the CO area, I would offer up one of mine for review. Hopefully you guys can get your hands on one. Keep up the great reviews
@@JJustinXu the hybrid is only good for MPG. the rear electric motor is not strong enough to be that effective. Plus I prefer something that blends in both comfort and handling, which is a weakness of the RAV4.
This is supposed to be a (useful) side-by-side test of snow capability ?? Parking lot with a little snow ?? (TFL put work into the audio soundtrack, however)
I had a 2020 Rav xle I traded it in and got a 2020 Honda passport touring it’s far more superior to the rav. Honda just take time out to build a quality vehicle
I still prefer my old 2008 Rav4 which predates mandatory traction control. Just lock into 4 wheel driver mode and punch the gas in mid tern. It makes under-steer become over-steer. Now the dynamic is geared for TC assist vs drivers who actually know what they're doing.
Great comparison, I wish it was a little more in-depth, but you touched on most of the high points. I actually was planning on getting the 2019 RAV4 Adventure, until I build one on the Toyota website and fully loaded with some basic accessories priced it at over $40k! The Honda Passport (Touring AWD) is about $2.5k more expensive, but has a bigger engine, leather seats and more cargo room, so I am leaning towards one of those - AFTER the Greedy Helpful Honda Dealers start discounting off of MSRP...
Brian Agreed on the Tranny in the Honda, it’s the same one that’s in the Pilot (9-spd. I think) that reports say is kinda schitzo. I can Vouch for the RAV- it just needs a prettier sounding exhaust/header setup, stout little motor & trans but the motor doesn’t sound lovely when you wind it out. Great vehicle though!
For the prices that Toyota is charging for the Adventure trim, it should have at least a V6 engine and better off-road bumpers for approach and departure.
CX5 turbo woul have been nice. Sadly all the Rav4 driving reviews are mediocre performance for that kind of coin. The Passport seems like it would be real hard to get the Posted MPG as the one I drove was reading 16 MPG combined.
Approach and departure angles should only be discussed in regard to vehicles that are rock crawlers and stump jumpers.Neither of these are,and because of their construction,neither can ever be.These are both very capable vehicles,provided you don’t have unrealistic expectations of them.
Even though I own a 2017 Ridgeline I will admit Toyota's injection system is far superior over Honda's which will result in less issues/problems over time
It's the camera. The frames of the camera are not aligned with the frequency of the lights of the vehicle since the lights are part of the alternating current used in automobiles. As a result, you get this strobe effect. You would not see this if you were there in-person. Science!!
Not a fair review when you look at the features and performance. Of course, I don't mean to denigrate any actual 2019 RAV4 Owners - and for you 2019 RAV4 owners: "denigrate" means "to put down"...
I said this in a comment before . You know what Toyota should do? Add a TRD package to the Rav 4 Fox shocks, A Trac, the off road cruise control thingamajig, rear lockers and a turbo, some knobbier tyres The Trail team package would have the new foxs thats on the Tacoma, 2door model, front and rear lockers , wrangler duratracs , 3.5 or a 4.0l v6 and maybe even a diesel option. Optional rack with spots for pods and or light bar(s). And there we have it a mini FJ Passport what? Honda what? This would be a great little competition with Jeep Oh and feel free to improve upon what i said. I feel like the Rav4 could be what becomes like a mini FJ
The 2019 RAV4 is a better buy than the Honda Passport. I’ve already seen quite a few on the road and they look nice. The Honda Passport and Pilot look like lifted up minivans, plus they they have same prices, so what’s the point.