2020 Ducati Streetfighter V4 S vs. 2020 Ducati Monster 1200 S

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You guys have asked so here it is! Our first vs. against the 2020 Ducati Streetfighter V4S. We couldn't think of a better video while we had the 2020 Ducati Monster 1200S then to put it up against the 2020 Ducati Streetfighter V4S... Does it compare??
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@No-thing-ness 11 месяцев назад

I have 2019 monster 1200s and I can honestly say after my 4th Ducati this is the best I have ever owned. Power; quick shifting : sound; electronics. Just the package. I cannot see me upgrading for at least 10 years

@Bally777 4 года назад

The design of the monster is difficult to beat!

@GoGoggansGo 4 года назад

Joseph McBroseph. That’s the point lol it’s a monster

@robertrose3777 4 года назад

I think the sport 1000 looks a little better

@G1lgamesj 4 года назад

@@SkinnySkates Not weird as the monster is their legacy bike, kinda like the nine T from Bmw.

@nomarnoland2966 2 года назад

It is right! And Ducati just threw that uniqueness in the trash with the 2021 monster 950

@NicotineftCoffeeFlavoredWater Год назад

Impossible

@kymtaylor5433 4 года назад

I've got a 2017 1200S and a 1098S. I love the relaxed riding position on the Monster. You can hoot all day and have a ball. V twin vibes are the way your baby talks to you. You feel your riding something with a personality. Silky smooth bikes are nice but vibes are part of the character. I'd like a Streetfighter but really it's only my ego that I'd be satisfying , the monster performs , in the every day world , good enough.

@TylerSavin 3 года назад

I can do 5 hours strait on the Monster. I rode and looked into getting the SF but some things to note. All of the work you have done on it will take twice as long on the SF. It's "naked" but still required much disassembly (similar to Panigali) to work on. SF - no grunt, but smooth power, crazy top end so better for track. Monster - All grunt, sneaky power, best on the street and canyons.

@lexus588 9 месяцев назад

О да, как бальзам на душу ваш коммент, безумно нравиться вид SF, но ездию на монстре и это мой правильный выбор

@spetersonmusic 4 года назад

This is a fantastic comparison - useful beyond words. Thanks for doing the video!

@user-gb1fq9ei5x 3 года назад

Great video!!! The very first video I watched without skipping at all!!!

@Drjfever 4 года назад

Great review comparison. Was wondering about this very issue. Thanks.

@RUBBERNMETAL 3 года назад

As sexy as the new streetfighter is I’d personally pick the monster. That classic timeless design and the sweeping lines doesn’t get old. I have a 2013 monster 795 and when new ones are launched I don’t feel like mine looks outdated.

@SAMYLAMEES 5 месяцев назад

Awsome video..and also yes it is a great comparision and awsome idea that no one does keep it up 🎉🎉

@gsrae1199 4 года назад

Awesome review as always. Thanks for adding the ergonomics. As a tall guy it’s nice to know fit.

@EricTostes 4 года назад

I had to watch 3 times. I just hypnotized with the curves on the road!!

@junarchua0402 4 года назад

waiting for your review on 1290 KTM SDR.....love your video very informative.....Tnx

@richardp8347 4 года назад

They should have you monster 1200 R with Termis and upmap , I just don’t like the new streetfighter , looks like audi and 99% of us will never use that power on real streets , waste of $$$ , I take monster 1200 R all day long 😊😎 good vid tho , keep it up 👍

@richardp8347 4 года назад

Cali Moto TV I have 1200R in my collection here in NYC :) feel free to borrow it anytime

@Back2TheBike 2 года назад

Monster R. 163hp with the Termi's fitted. Mine, in black with red bling, is the best bike in the world.

@CaliMotoTV 2 года назад

Nice! Sounds awesome 🙌

@dorrist 4 года назад

Dude I ordered my Streetfighter v4s back in January and still waiting for it...your videos are helping me cope with the wait, but at the same time making the wait so tough! Looking forward to a comparison with the new Super Duke R 😎

@hdidane00 4 года назад

Super duke wouldn't stand a chance the beast Title is not longer Duke's.

@egg250 4 года назад

Great video,, waiting for the next head2head 👍🏽 One word i can't associate the 1200 monster with is "tamed"

@ragerider6283 3 года назад

Great vid. Street fighter's a very cool bike but I much prefer the Monster. It's a bike designed for the road which you can use more of more of the time & still crazy fast.

@aaronwilliams9484 4 года назад

Can’t wait to see the comparison between the Tuono and the Streetfighter 👍🏻😎

@velocipistoni6049 4 года назад

@@CaliMotoTV I have one if you're close.

@velocipistoni6049 4 года назад

@@CaliMotoTV about an hour from LA

@velocipistoni6049 4 года назад

@@CaliMotoTV dm sent

@lukedobek 3 года назад

Two gorgeous bikes. Great comparison. I'm looking forward to the V2 streetfighter; it might be a nice middle ground between the two bikes.

@theshindogg 4 года назад

was the dash on the monster in kph? seemed slow when you were riding in the twisty part of the rode vs. what was indicated. thanks for the video, subbed.

@zacharyepps 3 года назад

Have the 94 900 monster, 1100 EVO monster, and scrambler cafe racer. All your comments are on point. My experience with the bikes you featured synch with my thoughts. Great video. Btw we had the 2010 street fighter and loved it, similarly aggressive difference between these bikes

@RideThe6 4 года назад

I'm a huge fan of the Tuono. Came real close to buying one.

@MrMaxEffort 2 года назад

This is how a testride should be twisted road, not a highway!! Awesome rewiew and thumbs up for the great input, keep it up..

@CaliMotoTV 2 года назад

Thanks, means a lot 🙏

@omfgloley 4 года назад

what mirrors are you using on the SF ?

@NYCnapeHb Год назад

What do you guys think about V2 SF vs V4? I do have the V2 one and got the itch for the V4, how do they compare and is it worth upgrading? Thank you!

@alexleier 4 года назад

Great video nice to watch. Just check your subtitles few mistakes there 😎

@lucalima12 3 года назад

Great review ...In my opinion monster more comfortable and more suitable for a every day bike as for the Duc v4 gun I prefer panigale v4 s because its too fast to ride without wind protection... all the best

@jeremyoso34 4 года назад

Any chance you can do a review of the KTM super duke or duke gt? I love the street fighter but seriously interested in the duke

@ryaneastough4117 3 года назад

I have a 2018 monster 1200s , test riding the v4 panagali an the streetfighter while mine is being serviced next month , bit scared, how big is the difference really not just from monster too streetfighter but again too the panagali ??

@andrewedmond7738 4 года назад

Very good comparo brother. I'm a little old school so the Monster is the one that really appeals to me. both awesome bike's. Now all I have to do is convince the wife that it's money well spent!! Should only take about another lifetime!! Cheers mate.

@jetninjamonkey 4 года назад

I own an example of the previous generation of both of these bikes, an 848 and 796. I love both, similar on paper but very different experiences in practice. Both are complete winners just like in this comparison.

@fyorbane 4 года назад

The 848 Streetfighter is a superb bike and is kind of forgotten by the biking press. It is still today, arguably one of the best looking bikes ever. A future classic no doubt [so hang on to it]. It compares really well against the current crop of super mid nakeds [MT09, Z900, GSX-S 750, KTM 790 etc].

@mikaelsanchez7258 4 года назад

Mate! Digging the videos! I particularly appreciate your penchant for r nine t’s haha. How do you find the power delivery between that and the 1200s? I know they’re different beasts but as far as top end power, does the monster massively outdo it?

@mikaelsanchez7258 4 года назад

Cali Moto TV nice. That’s cool to know. Didn’t even know Ducati made a bike by that name. So if the monster 1200s is a 100 in terms of power at it’s peak would you say the nine t is a ...70?

@CarlosSilva-wn8qq 4 года назад

Thank you for one more great video and all the information you gave us. On my side I would like too know the difference between the , Streetfighter, the BMW single r and the monster , thanks 😊

@brianglendenning1632 4 года назад

The S1000R is not as aurally satisfying, except perhaps at the very upper part of its rev range. It *is* a very nice sounding IL4, but ultimately lacks the aural beauty of the Ducati V2 and V4 engines. Good to be Mr Cali Moto to have these three in his garage at the moment.

@tgimul 2 года назад

as long as it is a Ducati, i love them all

@abigailzamora9062 3 года назад

Hi there, great video, I'm deciding between the monster 821, and the 1200, for 2 to 5 hour round trips quick question, are the vibrations bad enough to get numnes in any parts of your body? Thanks shay.

@marshallwaters996 2 года назад

Been riding 821 and 1200s, chose the 1200s. They are mostly the sams when it comes to size and dynamic. 1200s more power and more exciting to ride. You should go for more than 60kmh most of the time otherwise the 1200s is always in 2 gear lol. So für simplicity and joy you go with 821. I love that one swiming arm on the 1200s and ride fast so I chose this bitch. 821 totally fine Imo :) What did you choose? Cheers from Germany

@mildfrukt 4 года назад

I have a 1200s 2017 and just order streetfighter v4s :) so i think this was a great vid ;)

@Jknasse2 3 года назад

Are you selling the 1200s? I am a 1200s owner and eyeing the SF V4S don't know if I really want to keep both though.

@MotoM1234 3 года назад

I tested the monster twice then road the Tuono... bought the Tuono an hr later... monster is a cool fun bike that I would like to have but that Tuono is so special...

@MrWilson7778 2 месяца назад

The Monster has “not changed much” since 1993? Get real guy.

@waseemmustapha2641 4 года назад

Nice Vid. Yah agree, they not meant for the same playpen, but interesting comparaison nevertheless. A comparison with the Tuono V4 1100 Factory would really be great as they are both the same. Stripped down and derived from sportsbikes with very similar equipment. The Superduke R, not really - its much more a Hyper Naked built from the ground up. Just a quick one - has your feul consumption increased since your installed the Arrow slip-on? Also, I think you might have mentioned in one vid, but not sure, does the SF heat up your legs on the inside, especially on warmer days?

@flizd-9a303 4 года назад

I don’t know if the streetfighter vibrates a lot?! But i love it 🔴

@srtspeedy4983 4 года назад

What I crave more than anything is that low end big torque punch. Ive rode the ZH2 and even if its faster than my current bike it lacks soul and the punch down low witch is more fun than high end power in my opinion. I have the Diavel 1260 and Im thinking about the SFV4 but if it has the same feeling as the ZH2 its not worth it.

@MikheilZhizhilashvili 4 года назад

10x!!! Thanks a lot!

@The-Dutchman 3 года назад

The Ducati Monster is a Monster, the Streetfighter is a Beast😉

@Jknasse2 3 года назад

Any reason to own both? I have a monster 1200s and love it. Live in an urban area - don't have a car and drive less then 5k miles a year. Kind of feel like having both is overkill, but I don't want to sell the 1200s because commuting on it makes sense. V4S would make too much heat in traffic, but would be awesome on the weekends. I have a honda 500 to track, but on the larger tracks in my area I could take the SF V4S to really push it on the larger tracks instead of the monster 1200s for that one time of year event in my area. Seems like the SF V4S is better in corners, but don't know your opinion after riding both. Multistrada v4s seems like a smart long term choice, but I really am not interested in touring the country and would rather fly. The nearest large cities 2-4 hour commute I can do on the monster 1200s fine.

@ardeq 4 года назад

If I could I rather get the monster cause I like more to cruise and I wouldn’t need to go that fast as much the Streetfighter goes, plus the look of the monster with the termignoni is much better!!

@xandertures 4 года назад

What’s that on your right hand at the end of the video? Some kind of brace?

@xandertures 4 года назад

Cali Moto TV cool. I have nerve issues with my right hand and had been looking for something to help with that. Thanks for the reply.

@junarchua0402 4 года назад

i think the biggest comparison are the SDR 1290, SFv4s and ZH2....

@noeldawson9211 4 года назад

was the vibration on the monster a big issue for you, I like the new paint scheme, I don't need/want 200+bhp, nice review

@florentberteletti2131 4 года назад

Hello! I'm French and your video is very nice! (Sorry for my bad level In english) I realy love the Streetfighter but i'm hesitant because the autonomie is very short and because the speed, the acceration, all the perf to the SF was monstrous! I using my bike every day, I dream of the streetfighter but I'm scarred for my license (and a little bit, for my life) and I love the Monster to, do you think that the SF is possible for a quotidien ride? And about the monster? If not, I go to wait for the SF v2! Thank you so much ✌

@TheJWC56RSA 4 года назад

Thanks!! Please tell me how the fueling on the new V4S is.... I found the throttle / fuelling on the XDiavel S poor and very snatchy especially in traffic / slower speeds. I now want to buy the V4S but not if the fueling is not smooth. I have a 2019 SuperDuke R and KTM really nailed it with very smooth fuelling. Regards.

@CampbellSaxophone 4 года назад

What year xdiavel? My 2019 diavel1260s has much better throttle control that is very smooth, feels amazing

@ryaneastough4117 3 года назад

I can agree my 1200s is always in race mode an can be a bit choppy in power delivery especially in traffic but once u leave low revs you cant beat it for comfort

@jhontomu 4 года назад

You must try the Monster 1200R. Completely different bike and more aggressive position.

@jhontomu 4 года назад

@@CaliMotoTV I had the chance to ride one and oh lord, the best Monster ever. Also I have a Streetfighter 1098 MY 2010.

@r0tap45 4 года назад

The Monster 1200R would definitely be a more interesting comparison...

@ehart34 3 года назад

Would like to see that comparison myself

@Joric78 3 года назад

Nice ride. I think I understood what you were saying about "torque blending into horsepower", but technically it's not accurate. What you're describing is just the amount of torque at different points in the rev range (the torque curve), as horsepower is just torque (lb-ft) x rpm (/5252 to get the units correct). Also the streetfighter's torque is electronically limited in the lower gears (not just the traction control), so it's not just a matter of the engine characteristics of the V2 vs the V4 or the cam profiles.

@nic6754 3 года назад

Probably just need to buy both. Damn.

@henkstigter6562 4 года назад

You know Bill, there’s an important saying: don’t compare apples with pears 😜😬

@jaxsonhengerer3397 4 года назад

I haven’t owned a street bike yet but I’ve been riding moto and enduro for years. I ride a 500ktm xcfw and I’ve been looking for a street bike for a while now and I have narrowed it down to these two bikes. I’ve had experience on Harleys and other street bikes . So what I’m asking is for a semi-experienced rider is the street fighter controllable

@jaxsonhengerer3397 4 года назад

Okay thanks for your recommendation noted

@deankruse4491 Год назад

When you refer to the Aprilia RSV four I think you’re trying to say Tuono right?

@ancientelevator9 Год назад

I'd love to see a streetfighter 848/1098 vs streetfighter V2/V4 comparison

@jimpanzer07 4 года назад

How does it compare to the new Tuono factory?

@add8003 4 года назад

I am hesitating between the 2018 Monster Anniversario and the 2020 Streetfighter. Any recommendations?

@add8003 4 года назад

Helge Johan yeah that was my choice even if the price of this one was the same as the SF

@abreezyyt1705 3 года назад

Still difficult to choose between this two 🥺😢

@hdidane00 4 года назад

That thing makes 208 ponies not 190hp.crazy how expensive these bikes are getting 24k+ that's some serious car money.

@The_Ghost923 3 года назад

I used to have a 2013 1199s in the Arctic White color but unfortunately had to sell it. I test rode a Monster 1200r when they were making it and thought it was a lot of fun! Looking to get back on a Ducati in the future and my wife likes to ride passenger. The Monster looks like a good compromise.

@TheTektronik 4 года назад

Can't go wrong with the Desmo.

@nabinsubedi3918 3 года назад

Did i hear the opposite price for these bikes 16:00..?

@deniseroberts6908 3 года назад

The 821 must be the perfect naked surely with comfort useable power and price.

@wingman199123 3 года назад

I’ve got the 2020 V2 and I’m thinking about trading up to the street fighter V4

@mzvarik 3 года назад

the best thing about streetfighter is that it is not STEAMING HOT, like Panigales are (unuseable in city)... but the Panigale is better at 100mph+ imho, I liked those fairings

@Groagun 4 года назад

I would be interested to hear what Bogna has to say about these 2 or others. A different perspective would be great.

@Groagun 4 года назад

@@CaliMotoTV Hmmm, I've done a little TV work and would make some suggestions that might 'skirt' around your issues. I dare say some if not most of your vids are fairly formulaic. Don't take that harshly. If you start to think a bit outside the box and take advantage of what you got: namely a typical frat boy, football dude, sorry, paired with a petite but good riding female, you have something that no other channel really has. PS1000 occasionally has female testers and presenters but not as a regular or main staple. You could really do something unique and special. How you shoot, what you shoot and how you present it can be done many ways. Quick edits, VO's and 'natural' sound is what a huge audience really wants. If you want, let me come up with a narrative and story line for you and see if you like or think it would be doable and received well by the audience. Let me know.

@gibshall2007 4 года назад

So when are you gonna dyno this thing next? Super interested in that.

@nairbyad7188 2 года назад

when you tell the power you should also tell the weight. this "thing" is called a motorcycle, "moto" or "bike"! good review!

@CaliMotoTV 2 года назад

👀

@sebastianocornelio9774 2 года назад

The shifting seems so much faster and smoother on the street fighter! Tough decision……

@CaliMotoTV 2 года назад

It's really how much monster and beast you need in your life 😂

@JoseRevenga 4 года назад

What do you think about the monster 821?

@JoseRevenga 4 года назад

Cali Moto TV ok thanks!

@archetype.music.studio 4 года назад

I guess no-one at Ducati notices that the radiator is 8 feet wide.

@jeffschwartz9607 3 года назад

But the price, I just picked up a 1200R monster with 3k miles for half the cost of a SFV4!

@toofastnobrakes 2 года назад

Ide like to see the monster 1200 and the new street fighter V2 compared

@CaliMotoTV 2 года назад

👍

@MrFilipeMesquita 3 года назад

If the Monster is a Monster with those 150 hp,let alone the Street Fighter with 209 hp is a demonically beast.

@MrFilipeMesquita 3 года назад

@@CaliMotoTV Not really! The Monster is a slacker,the streetfigher seems a lot more stable,despite the looks. The front looks alike a mopped,the back like Harry's Potter's brum. It seems tastes can be acquired.

@kevinmill7965 4 года назад

Hey man good compared vid etc... but we all want see t,he diff in 3rd 4th and top roll on s.. Should of had a mate who you could drag with... so many vids out there now not one really comparing....

@kevinmill7965 4 года назад

@@CaliMotoTV we do in the UK... it's ok to say this or that bikes faster but is good to see on videos the diff in speed and pick up.. like 650ib does obviously not to he's extent.. great vids anyway dude as said b4 interesting to see power increase with pipe you fitted....

@soda5730 3 года назад

Next up: a review of chalk vs. cheese.

@tomekkrr7806 4 года назад

Hey, In dem letzten naked Test in Deutschland hat die Bmw s1000R den ersten Platz gemacht. Duc SF und die KTM super duke R den 2. Und die Aprilia Tuono den 4. Duc SF hatte nur bei dem Thema Sicherheit gewonnen. Wäre super wenn ihr mehr Vergleiche macht. Grüsse aus DE

@tomekkrr7806 4 года назад

@@CaliMotoTV ich habe geschaut, leider gibt es kein Video. Das war in der Zeitschrift. Die ist auch schon verkauft. Ich hoffe ein Artikel kommt noch online raus. Wäre super wenn ihr mehr Tests macht. Das kommt immer gut an. :)

@ThemadViking793 4 года назад

Weil BMW in deutschen Zeitschriften jeden Test gewinnt. Das ist einfach nur ein Witz. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@sjaakvandam2170 3 года назад

Did he say the horsepower blends in with the torque?? Horsepower is torque*rpm*gear ratio. They dont blend. They are functions of eachother.

@naikala11 Год назад

I prefer the look of the monster

@peaceinoutb 3 года назад

I'm Trading in my Monster 1200 for a V4 this Next Saturday but yesterday I was riding my buddies FZ-10 and I hated how smooth it was. I'm now really worried that the V4 will be too smooth as well.

@peaceinoutb 3 года назад

@@CaliMotoTV I just hope I don't regret it

@bradpowell843 10 месяцев назад

How are you liking it compared to the Monster?

@peaceinoutb 10 месяцев назад

@@bradpowell843 I like it when I'm riding in New York and Florida because I'm still faster than most of the liter bikes and it's mostly a highway and straight street riding, but I just moved to East Tennessee and I don't find myself using any of the power in the corners. Still wish I had it and the 15 grand I paid on top of the trade in for the v4.

@gryphongryph 3 года назад

I think the street fighter looks stupid with those wings, this is not a gp bike, there is no need for that, it is a naked! Also the expert’s agree that all those wings on the gp bike was more negative for handling than the positive top speed. The Monster looks so much better, although I would like for the Ducati to find a way to hide the hosing on the left side. Am afraid that the next 1200s will loose the trellis frame which will be a shame. I have been a bit tough on the street fighter, it is offcourse a beautiful made bike, but would be more beautiful without the stupid wings. Some will say that the wings are necessary, but for a naked ! Come on, a designer should be able to design a naked with enough of downforce without reaching for the wings, to me it looks so gimmicky, a shame.

@pablogutor1024 4 года назад

Viva Ducatisti!

@soldier2763 4 года назад

Why didn't you compare the monster 1200r with the streetfigher?

@soldier2763 4 года назад

Oh really fair enough. Keep up the great content man.

@robertoterriquez2132 3 года назад

What road is that? It looks fun.

@robertoterriquez2132 3 года назад

@@CaliMotoTV Nice. I need to ride that. Have you ridden HWY 9 and 35 to Alice's or the 84 to HWY 1 passing La Honda? There are some great roads there. Also Watsonville Road south passing Uvas Lake to 152 to HWY 1, then Soquel Road to HWY 17. Those roads are awesome.

@rengenierd308 4 года назад

Oh my.....was that road designed by a biker? Wow!

@Dragon-yw4xw 4 года назад

Love your talking, but not the video quality. You need to use the ND filter and set the shutter speed to 1/50s. The image is too sharp.

@Dragon-yw4xw 4 года назад

@@CaliMotoTV If you ask people who do the professional shooting, they will recommend the same. Because a little bit blurry simulates what human eyes see in the action. That's why most movies use 24 fps in the cenimas.

@bill_4359 3 года назад

Don't buy the 1200 monster unless your are a Pro or you want to die. If you hammer the Monster you can not KEEP the front wheel down on the ground. You can have wheely control on but it doesn't matter the front will be floating all over the place. The Street Fighter is different and doesn't scare you like the 1200 Monster. The 821 Monster is alot more settled and more fun to ride.

@Jknasse2 3 года назад

You can always change the wheelie control on the ducati. I ride it around in touring mode with the engine settings on high. Then when in the city drive it in urban mode. You can hammer on the throttle and never pop a wheelie. Changing to sport mode takes off wheelie control and you have to be smooth on that throttle.

@Errol.C-nz Год назад

this is not a stripped down sport bike.. excuse me.. it was when it was created.. have a THINK !

@alyen11 4 года назад

208-147=30+

@mociczyczki 3 года назад

monster się nazywa monster ., v4s jest prawdziwym monsterem tutaj ., 1200 cc monstera vs 1100 cc v4s i v4s od 9 k rpm odjezdza ju noł łat im saying :x v4s have so much more punch its diffrent level but for daily ride i more prefer monster 1200 lil more upright position stronger low and midrange .and if im must choice wzialbym ktm 1290 sd .

@dnast01 4 года назад

Compare with 2019 Tuono

@kevosbourne 4 года назад

Why do American's say RPM's , it's not revolutions per minutes

@apexslider1 2 года назад

KTM SUper Duke R and Monster are the real comparison. Both are bespoke nakeds. These two bikes likely are not really cross shopped. They serve two different areas of riding. The only common factors are they look damn good, sound good, and fun to ride.

@CaliMotoTV 2 года назад

Tons of people have asked us for a comparison which explains what you just mansplained 👌

@apexslider1 2 года назад

Lol, not sure about mansplaining, more disagreement to the KTM not comparing to the Monster simply because it would lose. But either way, I look forward to the comparison!

@paolomarletta Год назад

I watched until 8:50 and you said nothing about the bike. Just bla bla bla

@gabrieljohannson6777 4 года назад

If I had to choose between the two, I'd go the Streetfighter V4. I'm an ex Aprilia TuonoRR 2017 model owner. Now I'm on the BMW s1000r which is a magical crazy bike. I *_hate the winglets_* on the Street Fighter V4. They provide *no value or input for street use* as your travelling well below 190-200. The Ducati press claims they exert 40 additional pounds of downward force above ~180mph. Where the fuck are you doing 180mph on the street? *No fucking-where* that where. Don't talk about _track_ to me because well know track days are few & far between & unless you have sponsors on your leathers (99% of us DON'T) you will never use the bike to feel the _supposed improvement_ from the winglets.