I like previous numbering!4000,5000 or 8000....hopefully they take out dogfight and expedition!! Both companies have agreed...on same colors and ANNOYING IT FOR EXTREME JIGGING ONLY SALTIGA 18K(LIKE A 6500,not 8000dogfight)...=go to stella 20k. Or for POPPING EXTREME PE8/400m go to only saltiga 20k (or expedition 8000)