2020 Toyota Supra vs BMW Z4 M40i // Attack Of The Clones 

How dare jellopick insinuate that Toyota's chief design engineer's statements are blatant lies and nothing more than Japanese propaganda that is so disrespectful!

As I recall from watching the video of their engineer, he said something about there being room for ducting to be installed, as opposed to actual ducting. Was that your experience looking at it from the inside? Or was there nothing but bulkhead/parts behind the fakeness?

There is nothing behind the fake Plastic. You would have to do a lot of cutting as far as we could see.

@@ThrottleHouse "fake plastic" as opposed to "real plastic" as one would find on a genuine car hmm sounds legit!

The vents are for the aftermarket to open up or for Toyota to do so for when they produce a higher trim level version. Ive seen videos that’s straight from the engineers mouths.

Good times

Uh WW2? 😂😂

BMW and Toyota teamed up together to take on the American Corvette C8.

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Uchiha Pepperidge Farms remembers.

no if it is going to happen, car fans are weird crowd that is for sure, you need to give them something fast, unique and good looking also cheap if possible, that all sounds good but there is not enough car enthusiasts to sell these cars to. Toyota and BMW teamed up to create something cool and all they got in return is a bunch of a spoiled people complaining not understanding that it was not these cars versus more faster more unique cars with manual but no cars like this at all.

@@Donax695 depends on price first one with a great manual will be a true classic before that art and skill goes away

@@Tigerex966 remember how much been criticized BRZ/GT86 for not being powerful enough? Subaru/Toyota delivered interesting driver oriented car with manual transmission and people been still bitching about something, here in Europe you wont find much of these... if any... here where I live Toyota does not even bother to properly advertise these cars, local showroom does not even have one on a display... it is a small success to see one on a road, it is shame taken in consideration how cool these cars are, these cars are interesting for a very specific crowd and tend to hold value quite well but they are aiming for a small fraction of a car market, sadly :/

@@Donax695 those are great cars And I give much props to Toyota scion Subaru for those two They actually got great press and still do. Their weakness was no more powerful. Versions with turbo or add. High price for the performance. A gti or si usually had them in the rear view mirror for a lot less. The styling was really never updated. It still looks the same. Very little marketing What was the last year you saw any advertising for them. 2 door Sport coupes are by nature impractical. They are more for the brands image satisfy diehard enthusiasts, bring back some fun to the company engineers and brand and show what their engineers can within reason at certain price points if allowed.. Modding and bringing people into the showroom to sell practical suvs pickups cuvs and sedans Most sport coupes s2000 Nissan z rx8 etc. get great press and sales for a few years but than they stagnate and stay the same for a whole decade. Unlike the bigger sellers. I am happy we even have any available especially with manual that is just crazy and great. Giving humans that much control and the requirement they must think ahead and clutch and shift. Soon everything will be electric self driving super fast but boring as cars become the second highest market place besides online shopping at home. Driving is becoming to be looked down on like shifting your self gas cars 2 door cars sports cars. I can see a future where driving is banned because day computers so can do it faster and better

I’d love to see another S2000

😂😂

ngcsu actually $1350 the part will arrive next week (usually a bad sensor ) , we will get you a hertz rental car Toyota Camry in the meantime...

Woah buddy that's a few steps up from repetitive flybys and shitty jokes

@Adam84 B open deck b58 engine makes more power than ur Toyota Camry 😂😂😂😂

@Aswin Hanagal normal Toyota service center cannot even service the car a special team bmw is called to service the supra lol

@Aswin Hanagal no.

Yeah - why is it that these guys are the only ones who have done this? I would have expected this comparo a long time ago from bigger reviewers (i.e. C&D, etc)

Because they're in Canada and they don't have many Auto journalism there.

Are you dumb,Canadian,or just their friend?

@@JamieR1988 they hurt when you were a kid, didn't they?

@@JamieR1988 In other words..pussies

Now that is a great comment!

Come on mat doesn’t only gives us drag races his reviews are incredible as well

😂🤣

“At least I ain’t ugly as fuck” 💀

@@_Colt which one’s ugly?

@@jhondalton130 not the bmw

@@jhondalton130if you don't think the z4 is more uglier than the supra you need to check those eyes lol

Daniel Anthony you are absolutely right

So which of these Z4s do you like better?

Typically wimpy Toyota horn

@@jankunc7593 How bout that C8 Corvette tho!?

@@doggystyledave now we talking if Chevy what had done the same thing a Ferrari underneath rebadge as a Corvette GM would have got clowned

The body, the power is better in supra

Nice one 😂

I see what you did there

How could you tell from 10 feet away?

Thanks dude!

Straight Pipe is also a very good channel.

@@mr.2cents.846 Love them too, and it's great we have two incredible Canadian choices, but I have to agree with Clark. TH is just the absolute best of all worlds. As he said, the blend of polish, genuine knowledge, fun and production quality is just perfect to me. Throttle House is the only channel that I follow where I watch every video, even if I don't like the cars featured. Keep up the great work Thomas and James. It's been a hell of a year so far.

@@effa114 Hurray! You must have been one of the three people that watched our Atlas Cross Sport video then. Thanks :)

@@jamesengelsman9369 Absolutely did! Glad the viewer numbers have tripled.

Lost my shit at that skit😂😂

Haha if he said that he ain’t lying it’s a bunch of little kids fighting over cars none can afford at all😂

Mark W I think I'm one of the few that can't stand that noise. It's such a popular gimmick that many manufacturers use. I would rather be able to hear the turbo spool up when accelerating.

@@mk2mister2 You can hear that to, especially with an aftermarket intake. You dont hear the crackles when accelerating, only when decelerating, and some burps on the upshifts.

@@mk2mister2 it sounds like the car is farting, its not even real. They only do that because the real engine exhuast sounds like ass 😆😂.

If you think that's impressive, try going to a classic car show where car enthusiasts are.

They both make the same noise

it goes to the soft top mechanism

@@alonsodrifter 20k just for the roof?

10 grand went into that ECU tune for the extra hp, the interior and the soft top and the other 10 grand went to bmw executives

It went into the horn

Sam Kaye finally someone with the right answer

Because it is, a supercar for the masses.

Well yeah they've been waiting for 7 decades

That's because they did what toyota said could not be done. You being bitter does not effect how historical the mid engined vette is . No one wanted to build something like that for the that base price. If you don't understand how special that is, you really don't know cars.

@@stockey It has been like this for the last 25 years (Late C4/5/6/7),nothing new

I’m more of a BMW fan and not a fan of GM, but what GM did is history in the making. It might be my next fun car. They made a supercar at a sports car price.

If you had a Miata and you’re a real car guy a z4 would severely disappoint you.

@@vcall6121 how so? Please elaborate.

​@@vcall6121 yes please elaborate

Miata has long been hailed , revered and widely recognized as the greatest sports car, and at the very least it’s the best in its class(rwd,convertible 2 seat sports car) not to say the Z4 isn’t a blast I’m sure it is but a heavier bigger more computer complex and technology ridden car isn’t gonna be an upgrade if your looking for driver engagement and canyon or track driving. Plus you have the reliability factor and repair cost even gas mileage, the z4 is faster in a straight line but neither car was built for that. Just saying for driving experience alone z4 isn’t an upgrade

Nd1 and z4 are two complete opposites in small convertible 2 seaters category. ND is all about feel and engagement, the Z4 feel is intentionally engineered out for the sake of luxury/refinement. For example, this supra and Z4 have identical steering racks, but the Z4 has less steering feel because it was programmed that way.

If toyota doesnt do it, owners will. I dont know how hard it is in newer cars but it should definitely be possible

unfortunately, manual is dying, at least in the US that is. Manual is so fun but it is outdated and manual cars are slower than auto cars now :(

Damon Yeah, I mean how hard could designing and manufacturing a completely new driveline for a new engine and new chassis? Sure, it takes companies hundreds of engineers years of research and development to do the same, but come on, if the general public really wants it, I’m sUrE tHeY’lL fInD a wAy 🤦‍♂️

Carrera11STi I agree lol. If the economics don’t show for it they 100% will not do it. 100 people can say they’ll buy it but probably realistically less than half can’t afford it and some care more about performance than having a manual. Also, since it is a BMW motor, they’ll probably need to figure things out with BMW for their tranny, and that’ll for sure take a longggg time

Truth is, most of the guys who bring manuals to track days don’t even know which gear to be in, on different turns. They end up bogging the car down or wiping out. Lol

As a Honda fanboy, that was my immediate reaction.

Lmfao!!! Love it

My Kia Soul hits 6800, and I don't even have the turbo 🤣

My e46 m3 revs to 8200 and has torque unlike Hondas

GTR r34 red lines to 9000, right up there with you Honda screamers too

Hey bro have u hit a crowd yet .

Just three years? The best part about Ford is there lack of government assistance, not fast cars. The best Ford's were built by Carol Shelby, not Ford.

Yeah but the Mustang jokes are actually real.

Joel Spaulding so is the bmw Supra ones 🤷🏻‍♂️

Supra Drift no unfortunately

"Meanwhile, GM just reinvented the Corvette and kept it affordable." yep lol

U know a base level c8 costs as much as a fully loaded Supra. And u need to get a package to have the 2.8 secs 0-60, which is probably gonna be expensive, no one would ever take a c8 at 60k the lowest I feel they would take it is at around 70-85k. Cheers

@@alwaysiyi272 At most that z51 package is going to take away 1 or 2 tenths. The base C8 w/o the z51 is probably capable of doing 3.1 to 3.0 secs to 60. It's not like you are getting an extra 30 hp and 30 lb-ft of tq with the addition of the z51 package.

@@alwaysiyi272 base level c8 is more loaded than fully loaded supra though.

Just wait till u see maintainence costs of the c8.

MACA... Make America Canuck Again.

the corvette c8 looks like an Evora

to be fair the Kia Stinger was desgined by germans

Or a Suzuki Swift 🤣😂

Stinger was designed former M boss

The Kia stinger looks like a z4*🤦🏼‍♂️

glossy plastics of the Z4 ????? Obviously you've never been in one

@@mgqfashion I've been in one (and own one) and it's not "glossy plastics"

Spedracer55 fr no one does any research these days.

Spedracer55 we have heard what Toyota has to say about them. But when we examined them, there was Nothing on the other side of the vents. If you removed that plastic they would lead no where. You would need an angle grinder and a sawzall to make them “real”. Jalopnik has written a great article on this.

People: want aftermarket upgradability Toyota: makes aftermarket upgradability People: laugh at Toyota Toyota: Am I a joke to you?

Spedracer55 oh stop being a fanboy nobody likes it when companies create vents that don’t do anything for performance.

@@ThrottleHouse at least explain that, dont ignore it completely

Same here😂😂

Same here

Finally someone who understands this is a beautiful thing

The MKV owner is going to be that business professional who wanted to buy the Z4 but didn't want to be too fancy in front of his coworkers. He's in love with the Supra name but doesn't know how to change a spark plug or change oil.

It's no wet dream... More like nightmare😂!

The BMW driver wouldn't ever look at them anyway

Chill I’m trying not to laugh

The BMW with a toyota badge on it has all the BMW parts! I'm SHOCKED!

SO!

The bmw has the supra mirrors

The fake vents don’t go anywhere though. You would have to cut a hole in the hood to use them 🤷‍♂️

Lol you'd be fooled by Toyota engineer. The vents on the door don't go anywhere, same as the vents on the hood and fenders. As mentioned, you'd have to cut through the metal just like any other car, therefore nothing special about what he said

Here is some more info and a visual jalopnik.com/i-just-dont-believe-what-the-toyota-supras-chief-engine-1831838527

Freshfruitz 10000% rice. Look up rice and the supra is there

Freshfruitz all to look cool. Gimmicks tbh. Just like the fake exhaust sound pumped in to the interior through a speaker. I remember I used to laugh at small car with fake quad exhausts on a 3 cylinder, but it seems its become acceptable, most likely amongst non-car guys who won't realise or understand their use. Vents to other look 'beautiful 🤢' to car guys they are meant to be functional. Better not to have them

Do you actually think these two took the time to do a serious review?

and people say chrysler cheaps out

Such a bullshit cop out lol

@@danielnelson4881 It is.

You guys really getting mad at a warning sound, grow up people.

@@rylanprime6176 It's not the sound, it's the idea that Toyota tries to sell the car on the idea that they have used a lot of time on it, while even the warning sound the car makes is the same as BMW. If we wanted a Z4, we'd just buy a Z4 :-)

That's gonna be the mantra: "Should've got a C8"

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Seriously?! I've been a Ford guy my whole life. Ford Gt has been the heavy hitter in Europe, enough that even Top Gear basically laughed at the Corvette and drooled over the GT. But this new mid engine C8 actually has me drooling more than the GT500. For me itll be about pricing. Not sure how much the GT500 is set for, but of it's more than $65k I'm getting a C8

@@industrlbeatnik someone butthurt

@@Liemciemdk89Not me. I'm impressed!

We want gt4 not last one

@デの3N It is a boxer

lmao im in the same boat as you with knowing more than them XD and at my dealership, the 20K markup was for the "ACM"....... Idk what that even is and 10% goes to charity...... to be that guy, if i wanted to donate i would...... but you shouldn't be forced to pay for extra stuff smh

just wait. In a couple months you can get it for msrp

That is how they do it with the Civic R around here. You can't even test drive it. They are acting like there are rich oil tycoons flying out just to buy them and truck them back to Montana and they won't buy it if there are more than 3 miles on it. Ha ha. I remember when Dodge said the same thing about the Challenger. They don't know about the car, but they know a good sales pitch. These are poser cars if ever one was put out there. If you want proof that America is broken, the fact is that the folks with money are mostly posers themselves. If you want a contemporary example of that, look at the guy who was running WeWork. The only thing he did wrong was not respect the poser-ness of his underlings and get himself a mutiny of underlings. As far as the rest of the world was concerned, he could walk on water. Now he's fodder for yellow dog journalists. Same thing with the Supra... today it's the "real deal" for tuners and mods. Just like the Rx-8 was the second coming of the Rx-7. And the C6 corvette was "revolutionary improvements" over the C5. In the long run, the marketing hype doesn't hold up. What does hold up is value for your dollar. But low, sell high. For that to work, some schmo has to buy high.

@@ciello___8307 650 supras still unsold on the lot and many dealers are selling under msrp right now.

Never buy from dealership period

Imagine the reception from Mustang crowd if they would have outsourced the newest model to Mercedes? Or a Vette build by VW?

The MK4 sucks? It was one of the better balance cars of its era. It had enough power that it outperformed all other cars in its class and even some above it.

@@tropicalstorm339 i said it sucked stock, it was heavy and didn't corner well, the one with enough power was the TT inline 6, but the car was heavy, didnt corner well, so the new one beats the old one STOCK😂😂😂. cheers

@@sharpededgeofficial 😂😂😂ok

you can have a supra that's 70% bmw or you can have nothing....which do you choose?