Great review 👍 . I think the Beta has built a good name for itself despite the niggling issues. They are a good alternative to the pumpkins. Would love to see a review on the xtrainer if you ever get the opportunity.
I know a dealer that sold KTM, Husky & Beta. Moore & Sons in Santa Cruz Ca. He was there at least 25 years that I know of. He’s gone as of 2019. He said. KTM have more issue that are Warrenty/no Warrenty than beta. He says Betas never come back but KTM’s.. just shook his head. They need to resolve the turning radius thing but that’s about it. No. I wouldn’t buy a KTM
I would say that is a accurate review. I prefer my 2021 Beta 300rr compared to my 2019 300xcw tpi bike. As you say, it is a easy bike to ride in the single track. Like the lower seating height. The stock seat is probably the hardest seat I've ever sat on. I ended up buying a Seat Concepts seat that is also 5/8 of a inch lower.
@@apostate4apostate494 if the KTM would have stayed with carbs, I could agree. But the TPI killed 10% to 20% bottom end and also killed top end longevity.
I'd totally agree with the poor steering radius, have a 2021 300rr and this is my biggest gripe in how the bike rides so far. The motor is very tractable, makes technical sections a breeze. One thing i've found with the beta in comparison to my old yamaha was the general fit and finish is somewhat poorer. Stripped bolts, holes not tapped right the way through, leaking reeds, all from the factory. Also if you like to do things by the book the manual is trash compared to a japanese bike, absolute bare minimum of information, torque specs etc. The bike is mint to ride and I love it, but I feel the somewhat poor quality control is a letdown.
I have an Xtrainer. Only had Japanese bikes prior. I was shocked at how bad the Beta tech manuals were. It’d be like if the Japanese bikes came with manuals done in Engrish. 🤣. (Which they actually did many years ago). There’s a chart of torque values the guys at Thumpertalk Beta sub forum have put together. If you don’t have it grab a copy from someone over there.
Do 5 mins of research on their website and you'll find the service manual. Fit and finish is better than ktm imo. Ktm's casting looks like smashed beers cans.
My 06 300 EXC has a Keihin 36. I think they only went bigger when they went to Mikuni due to proprietary reasons, and the Mikuni never ran as nice as a Keihin.
I ride a 200rr. It’s hard to imagine the piston in the 300 needs replacement before at least 200hrs. They just lug around barely reving at all don’t they.
I replaced it at 300 hrs on my old Husqvarna te 300 2016, it was in good shape. I only had to use a new one 2 sizes bigger. No issues whatsoever, just a little power loss near the 250hrs mark
I’m almost ready to upgrade to a smoker from a ‘17 YZ250FX. I’m torn between the 300rr and the GasGas ec300 based in your honest reviews and Rich Larson’s reviews as well. Only real issue is that both bikes are sold before they hit the showrooms.
I did the oil injection delete on my 2017 xtrainer last season. good change wouldn’t go back. You need to do the air box mod and jetting too. The seat concepts seat is also a great upgrade. Display failed and is now an aluminum panel with switches. I’m sending out forks for service and adding the compression adjustment kit. Hope to dive over the bars on the downhills less next season 🤘still good bike for the money particularly for short riders imho.
There is a piece of plastic that restricts airflow. you can pull it out and the bike breathes better just search airbox mod. there is a RU-vid video and the JD jetting kit comes with a chart for modified and unmodified airbox for the xtrainer.
Rode all the Beta range. I'm a KTM 300 owner too. Hated the Beta sachs suspension, under sprung and under damped. However loved the motor. Way more grunt out the box than the KTM bikes. The two was my favorite. More grunt that a stock KTM 300 I thought. Also thought the dimensions were to small. Beta need to start making their bikes 10% bigger. The size was a deal breaker for me.
Hey there, great video. I was wondering where you are riding? Looks beautiful. I'm in Easter WA and there's still snow everywhere here. Thx. I love all the woods riding videos.
Question about the Astra handle bars. I have arthritis in my right thumb in the metacarpal and trapezium joint. It is very uncomfortable when I stand do you think they will put more or less pressure on that joint. Thanks. PS I think you have the best enduro channel on RU-vid.
How about the fueling? Your test bike sounded really good right off idle. I have owned and ridden lots of TPI bikes and that seems to be a common problem once they get some hours on them. I hope you get to test the Race Edition with the Excellent KYB suspension.
You should try and ride a Rieju 250 or 300 pro model and put out a review, it’s really a gasgas because Rieju bought the rights to the 2019 gasgas models and say that they improved on them. I just found out about them and there isn’t hardly any reviews on it in English at least.
I will hopefully be testing a TM soon. No Rieju dealers here and I've never seen one in person. I'd like to test one if I had a chance though. I own the Shreco so that's my preference over the Beta. I feel the Sherco is a better bike overall and seems to be more reliable as well.
@@PNWEnduro All I know of the Rieju and TM is the dealer in Reno sales both and SWM. He puts out videos on all 3. Called BikeGuysOffroad. He also sales GPX. I don't believe it's the same quality though.
Love the vids and can’t get enough I’m a local rider as well and it gives me a bike fix mid week thx But how do people feel about the head lights i find it quite decreasing at times when riding
I'm not big on headlights either. The stock ones will get out out if it's starting to get dark out but not anything you would use to specifically ride at night with.
@@PNWEnduro can't wait!!!!! Also if you can do a video telling your thoughts on the tpi ktm carb beta and sherco would love to see it and I'm sure most people would like it!!!
Seems no one can come close to the KTM counterbalance design. I’ve ridden the 21 Sherco and I will say it wasn’t near as bad vibration wise as the 2020, but nowhere near as smooth as my 2020 KTM 300xc tpi.......Question.....are the stock forks on the standard Beta comparable to, let’s say, the xplor 48 forks on the XCW models or no?
I agree on the CB for sure. I've been told that the more weight you put on the CB the more it reduces vibration but at a cost of bottom end power so Beta/Sherco may be trying to find a better balance of that. I think I still prefer the WP spring forks over the Sachs on the Beta.
@@PNWEnduro thats interesting. I really like the xplors too. BUT I ride an XC lol. Because of the gear box. I am actually about to have my air forks done to more of a softer set up. After 61 hours I might as well. I like the stock, but I wouldn’t mind a ride closer to the stock xplor feel these days. I’m not riding anything fast anyway here in the East Tn mountains..... I hear a lot of people say they like the stock Sachs fork and a lot say they hate it and revalve immediately. I guess that could be the case with any brand suspension tho.
I've had my air forks upgraded a couple times. I've given up on them, no matter what I do they are just not as plush as spring forks. Funny because a few tuners have told me that the air forks design is superior to the Xplor but the air forks just don't feel as good to me.
@@Drewski423 the best mod i ever did to my 300xc was delete the air forks. i had the mx tech suspension gen 1 conversion kit done. what a world of difference!! going to a oil/spring set up will add a bit of weight compared to the air fork. But its 100% offset in the performance. wish i didnt wait so long!
@@nick-xd4tj I’m gonna talk to my tech and go over some options. I don’t want to break the bank, but I want to go more toward an xplor type feel. I’m riding more slow go gnar than anything else anymore so why not. Nothing but good mountain single track here in East Tennessee so looking for that Cadillac type ride lol. Full blown hard enduro set up. My suspension guy specializes in WP stuff so I’m sure he will have a few different options for me to choose from. A buddy of mine had him do his 350xc-f and he kept it air and whatever he did worked wonders on that bike. Don’t get me wrong I’m alright with mine stock, but there’s always room for improvement lol.
Wait you only get 30 day warranty on ktms?! All Japanese brands are 6 months to 1 year unlimited mileage warranty. But it's probably different on the dirt bikes. I'd be upset if my brand new ktm blew up in the first 2 months.
Yes 30 days, and even when you have an issue in those 30 days it's often a very frustrating experience getting KTM to take care of it in a timely manner, at least that has been the case with KTM Canada.
So in your opinion which bike would be a good fit for someone that can ride but hasn't for years out of Beta 300RR Sherco Se300 or Gas Gas Ec300. Thanks
I think any of those would be suitable it just depends on what you want. Beta/Sherco have simple carbs, Gas Gas has tpi so it's more complicated to fix if any issues come up. Sherco has the best suspension. Beta maybe the easiest to ride as far as power delivery. Gas Gas may have better parts availability. Send me a msg on Instagram if you want to discuss your options in more detail.
@@PNWEnduro thank you brother I have not yet been able to ride any of these bike as yet so I appreciate your opinion. Supply is short in Australia but getting better just have to wait on trial days to come up.
is the expansion pipe against the frame on everyone's 300 or is there suppose to be a gap? had mine for a week and its hard against frame gouging into frame, i have put heat wrap around frame to protect it and am thinking of getting the fmf expansion pipe or will that be the same? any answers appreciated thanks
@@PNWEnduro has been like that since i picked up from dealer, contacted beta australia and they told me its standard to be like that, local dealer has ordered me the fmf pipe for a good deal so hopefully that will fix it, i didnt think they were ment to be like that.... awsmoe bike tho very happy with it
I still sense in your voice that you don’t actually consider Beta to be worthy of owning. I don’t know what it is with KTM guys. Same with Kyle. It’s ok. They’re not mass produced like KRM. I’m not hating on kTM. They obviously have a great product but I’ll stick with Beta
I actually think the Beta has the best motor/transmission of the bikes I’ve tried. A couple things holding me back from owning a Beta the steering radius being the main reason. Also, you can’t really call me a KTM guy as I don’t currently own one. I’m riding a Sherco now.
I have not tried the race edition yet but from everything I here they have the kyb forks valved very stiff. The forks on the standard rr are petty plush.
Lovely open trails why not pull a 90 left or right and show the bike in purpose. Talk about something other than what the polishers make much of already.
