@@ascott2168 I mentioned this on another review too. I mean Jack had a sweatshirt with a HUGE logo on in one of the recent videos. Match made in heaven for these midlife-crisis two driving gents. :)
@@richardnavratil9661 😹😹 Haaaa well said ! Those 48-52 years of life are hitting them hard, hence the need for constant tire shredding ! Gotta re-live the early 90s I guess 🤷🏽♂️
I'm not typically a BMW fan, but I have to compliment them here - the PHEV variant is only about $4k more than the non hybrid, and they didn't downsize the gas engine in the PHEV version. Given the PHEV tax credit erases the increased cost of the PHEV variant, it's a very strong option.
I don't believe that Jack realizes the benefits of having a PHEV. Even if your daily commute is 40 miles (so 80 mile roundtrip), that still means that you're effectively HALVING your daily gasoline consumption in something like this BMW with almost 40 miles of range. At ~20,000 miles per year, you're doing ~10,000 of that on electricity only. And even when the battery is depleted, going into hybrid mode will still net you some efficiency gains over a 330i. Range anxiety is also completely eliminated and most users won't even have to install a Level 2 EVSE in their homes and simply rely on the provided Level 1 EVSE since the battery is so small. More A to B commuters should be PHEVs.
Love that Mark and Jack still keep their own strong opinions! Keep staying honest, keep questioning and stay savage on this automotive evolution for yourselves and us. Looking forward to every video
@@AnontheGOAT well its a shit engine/car. ever since they started downsizing, they killed the only good part about BMW, the proper engines. (that were not durable long-term, but it's luxury/BMW, so whatever. it was still fun, powerful, capable.)
I like how Jack developed his own style and dropped mimicking Mark. Watching him now is a lot more pleasant than before, when he sounded like mr geese's twin brother.
Great review but why is the full electric mode of this car completely ignored in this review and in almost all other Savagegeese reviews of plug-in hybrids? Ideally, most people who buy plug-in hybrids will drive 90% of the time in full electric mode... Give us some technical details and a driving impression of this pure electric mode.
The 330i xDrive leases well. I stacked multiple incentives , which combined with an eager dealer and a decent money factor make it not much more than a Honda Accord . And much better dynamics with all wheel drive. Leave it on eco and the G20 will easily do 38 MPG on the highway. Most of aren’t looking to break any world records, just have a bit fun while driving.
@@bb5242 xDrive. The good fuel economy surprised me. At highway speeds the car will coast at idle RPM until power is needed. I did not expect the all wheel drive to be more efficient than an Accord 2.0T but it is. The “base” model has real analog gauges with navigation between the speedometer and odometer. My only options are xDrive, driving assistance, heated seats and steering wheel.
As a 2018 330e owner who commutes 80mi per day from city to city, I use the electric only mode in town at each end, the combustion engine on the highway in the middle and I average 42mpg. My battery is only good for 22mi fully charged, but in save mode,, it charges on the go. No, I cannot do it all on battery, but saying it doesn't benefit the commuter is short-sighted. On the weekends I have a blast in the mountains. It's a great car, and I only use about $40/week premium fuel.
6:50 you might as well get the e-variant anyway. With incentives it's actually cheaper than the 330i, and only $2k more w/o. You're getting the same power, better torque, and better MPG for less money, who cares if u can only use it as a regular hybrid most of the time?
Had to move on from bmw pricing, but my old e60 did ride extremely well. I like the more conservative look inside, something that will age better than an ipad slapped on my dash.
That BMW 3 Series has one of the nicest sounding 4 cylinder turbo charged engines of any car I've seen and heard reviewed on your channel. The ZF gearbox also sounds very quick and smooth when you floor it from a dead stop up to speed. It's a nice clean luxury appliance that will keep its value for a very long time with great driving performance. I think BMW knows this and charges the premium price for it. it always looks good, like a good suit in your discussion, and that's why you buy a BMW today. Great review. Enjoyed a lot.
i think the 330e and plug in hybrids make a lot of sense in states like CA. We can get up to $8,500 in grants/rebates before the tax credit. The 330e then makes a lot of sense because you can save a couple grand buying it compared to the 330i without losing anything else and you gain the electric range and better fuel efficiency.
Real reason why this car exist is its home market. BMW and other European brands will bring hybrids to the market because they have to. If they dont then they have to pay huge fines because of EU avarage emission limit of 95 grams of co2. And in my home country and other EU countries the 330i cost about the same as 330e because of emission tax.
I used to be a normal youtube pleb, then I subbed to savagegeese. Now I have the power of mind control. You will upvote this video and then leave a comment so youtube algorithms measure your engagement. Now.
This was a pretty basic review. The value proposition of this is that it’s the cheapest way to get into the 3 series. Better fuel economy without any compromise. And because the engine won’t be working as hard, it’s potentially less taxing in the long haul so it’s going to be better to maintain.
The only bmw that I am interested is a straight 6 and 8 speed auto , the same drive train as Toyota supra, whatever bmw body comes in as they are all well made but for now may just be fine with a Corolla hybrid.
Hybrid Toyota, EV Tesla, Plug-in Hybrid Toyota and newer Honda. The EV may be OK but BMW and Benz are like Apple, no one are allow to touch it besides Stealership. For Luxury, There is Lexus IS or Acura TLX for better efficiency and reliability.
They're targeting me. I drive 300 km+ a day, and don't have 2+ hours to wait during the day. The small EV battery already qualifies me to drive alone in the carpool lane, bypassing traffic jams/congestion on the highway. It also allows me to have a backup gas tank on the days I drive a lot. Since I am in a client-facing position, I must drive a BMW/AUDI/MB - no Honda/Toyota/Nissan allowed. They won't take me seriously if I drive a cheaper car - they'll sit up and take notice if I drive a nicer car!
Sucks that newer cars are so display happy. It will age cars so bad compared to analog gages, buttons and switches as they are timeless in my humble opinion.
That svagegeese I hate him I hate him. I’ll show you how to get back at him on Yelp and all that other stuff. Right after I tune this Subaru 60psi should do. BOOM 💥
If this model comes out before 2019, I would say its a hyped one but now its not. I would rather buy the volvo S60 with 0-100 in 4.4 secs and the best safety features
@@mehdimohamed6291 It's more like upper middle class attire lol. I've got a couple patagonia sweaters, but honestly the only reason is because my wife used to work for a company in Thailand that made products for them and she got some defective ones for basically nothing.
Correct. Just ordered the X3 30e Plug-in Hybrid. Drops the tax bill per year from 1% to 0.5%, and for someone like me who drives BMWs costing around 80,000 Euros gross list price, that saves me thousands a year in taxes.
@@villLe unless you add some batteries and a few electric motors. Considering it gets only low 30 mpgs in hybrid mode it's a waste. It's not like it's an rx or a gs450h or etc.
What balances out Jack's ignorance on what PHEVs are intended for, the incorrect electric range he quoted, talking people with longer commutes out of buying a PHEV even though it would reduce their gas use, or only showing the fully loaded price of the vehicle and not mentioning the tax credit that brings the price thousands of dollars below the 330i?
@@updlate4756 true, to some extent. The savings on gas are realized only long term. The problem is that these products don't last long term. Therefore, no savings for anyone.
@@updlate4756 you joking, right? I'm in the car business. I restore them. But that's anecdotal. Look at the numbers. BMW, MB, Audi, Porsche. They're disposable products. How many old S class MB you see out there? How many old 7 series? Few to none. How many old Lexus LS you see all circulating? Listen, don't take my word for it. Look at statistics. Numbers don't lie.
As a huge fan of PHEVs, I think I've gotten dumber for having watched this review. Jack misquoted the EV range of the vehicle. He only shared the fully loaded price of the car instead of the base price. Didn't mention the $5800 tax credit that makes this car $2600 cheaper than the 330i. (Before state EV tax credits that would reduce the price further) He for some reason attempted to talk people with longer commutes out of buying this car, even though it would significantly reduce their gas use, fuel costs, gas station trips, maintenance trips and costs... etc. lol... I mean... it's like this was the first PHEV he's ever driven, and he doesn't have a clear understanding of how they work or how they benefit the owner. Maybe he should buy a PHEV and live with it for a year to catch him up to speed on the benefits of these vehicles.
Mark isn't stupid. He had to do something he didn't love the idea of, asking ppl to sub. So he turned it into a joke. Not only did fans not reject it, they embraced it and make their own memes in the comments. Which is the absolute best form of reminding ppl to sub.
I think you're right. I recently mentioned on another one of his comment is I know he really needs it when you actually see him mentioning it. He's not like some other car reviewers (that I used to like lot more like The Straight Pipes) and it gets to a point it's like click-bait....
@@richardnavratil9661 god the straight pipes have gotten so bad lately. Have you seen their newest video? They literally recorded footage with a new car and blurred all of it out just to tell people to come back next week so see what it is.
@@fireballspark123 the straight pipes always gave me a sort of boyracer vibe...which is fine, but it really is a red flag to me when they make things overcomplicated just to get more views as you said.
I don't think I've ever seen Mark look so depressed. It's almost like he knows BMW as we enthusiasts knew it is dead and the fun is gone from most modern cars.
It is, they're just kind of sad now. Look at the new FWD based 2-series cars. They're just ass. Yes, I know they are x-drive, but the point is the engine is sideways and it's basically a FWD architecture. It's 100% poseur.
@@bobbowie9350 That's because he tries to speak to normal consumers and offer good buying advice, which is a weird approach in my opinion because most people that watch these videos on RU-vid seem to be car enthusiasts. Either way, society has become more lame/gay/feminized and very few cool things exist anymore and modern cars are a reflection of that. Completely souless and bland.
As someone who owns this car I can say it works amazing for my needs (wasn't in the market for it but got $7,000 off MSRP for mishap at dealership with another vehicle.) I live in San Diego, charge at home, and have a 19 mile commute to work. I also have the ability to charge my vehicle for free at work when I arrive. In the 4 months of ownership I've gotten gas 2x and only because the range got below 50 miles after driving to LA for a bit. I totally think BMW should have given it the range of something similar to the RAV4 Prime, but it's a car that puts a smile on my face every time I drive it so I'm not complaining.
PHEV only works if you live in the city and also work in the vicinity. Might not make sense in USA where the suburbs alone are 21 miles for some reason. But in Europe where things are a lot tighter packed, it makes a lot of sense. And besides that, some countries offer subsidies/Tax breaks for PHEVs as well.
20 miles if you only drive in electric but if you only want to drive in electric then just buy a full EV and not a PHEV. I feel like many people don't understand why PHEV exists
@@Astke I don't get this argument. It still provides significant gas savings even if you are making long trips. Even if you had an 80 mile commute, you'd only begin to use gas on the second half of your commute. The gas mileage is still good after that, so you still stay ahead.
The difference between savagegeese videos and other car review videos I watch is that I always go "Full Screen" on savagegeese videos. The rest I keep in their typical RU-vid mode so I can do other things while they play.
Analogue gauges >>> Digital gauges I guess it's gonna go like with digital clocks. All the rage in the 80s and 90s, but nowadays the most expensive and prestigious cars have analogue clocks.
Jack, why are you measuring the effectiveness of the "e" model based on your TOTAL driving distance? If you can get gas-free miles for even HALF of your trip, you're way ahead. Why does the standard have to be 100% EV or it's useless? And why are you talking about range anxiety? There is no range anxiety with a hybrid or plug-in hybrid.
Well, the total driving distance does matter a lot. For example, I used to commute to work over 75 miles each way with no EV charging at work. This means I could "only" have electric driving for 40 out of 150+ miles. I mean yes, sure it is more than 0, but does it really justify the $2-30k price premium from a regular 3 series? Probably not. But it would make more sense if I had a 20-mile commute each way, or even 30 or 40 miles maybe. I know not everyone has the 75-mile commute that I had, but that's kind of the point Jack is making. It's all about diminishing return and at some point, it's not worth it anymore.
It came into perspective when an aunt said that in the 6 months of owning a PHEV Mitsi Outlander she'd filled the gas tank once. And they have half that range.
I disagree with the comment that the plug-in hybrid doesn't add anything. I have a G20 330e and on an extended highway trip (Canberra to Sydney and return) at 110kmh the battery helps reduce the fuel economy to as little as 3.5l/100km (66mpg (US) or 79mpg (UK)) whilst still giving that extra 100+HP for overtaking, etc. If you have a shorter trip, say 60 mile (100km) then most of it is on electric which means your fuel economy can be almost eliminated. In the last 10,000km my car is telling me that about half has been on electric only and half on petrol/electric combined with an average fuel economy over that distance of 3.4l/100km. It's also more fun to drive than the normal 330i.
@@JDMHaze imo e90 was the last old school 3 series, e90 330i and 328i were as simple as cars get. They had a very reliable NA i6, and they were the perfect size.
@@insayn7995 I have a e90 328i and it’s so complicated with their computer system for the engine I hate it. You don’t get a coolant gauge, you have no idea what the oil is doing, and worst of all no oil dip stick.
The bigger the 3 series gets, the less I like it. I had an e36 coupe. Perfect size for me. Now I'm in a 128i, which is the same size as the e36. This current 3 series is nearly the size of an earlier 7 series. Too darn big.
I can’t believe I’m even writing this comment, both Savage Geese journalists missed the plot on this 330e variant. Most people don’t bury their foot down to the firewall and accelerate like Jack did, even if its a 330i. This car is capable of much greater overall efficiency using the whole power train and I was disappointed that this was not examined carefully in that aspect. I’m requesting a future revisit of this product from Savage Geese, because this is on my short list for a trade-in this year.
This is actually a really good purchase proposition for somebody that can charge up overnight and do their entire daily trip on EV mode. It keeps range anxiety at bay on longer trips.
Evidently they drove the cars for a short term and hard to get those fuel economy numbers. I have owned both the regular and hybrid new generation 3 series and had them for months and got way better numbers. I was most impressed by the regular 330i where I was getting around 34mpg and with the 330e I was hovering around 42-45mpg and drove them spiritedly. Those are great numbers taking in consideration these cars handle wonderfully and are great performance daily drivers, much better than any of the other cars in the segment. I was not able to charge at home daily, only at work. If you can charge both at home and at work with the 330e you can easily go over 60mpg and only need gas every couple of weeks! About the price, easy get one on a lease with close to %15off with incentives or buy a 1-2yr old Certified.
They are saying this hybrid package works for a city resident, but how many people in the city have access to plug-in power? I'd say the real best use case would be a suburbanite who doesn't drive much. Drop the kids off at soccer practice, hit up Costco for a 200 pack of Kirkland toilet paper, (that trunk is huge) and hardly ever fill the tank. Yet you can still road trip with it.
what about reliability ? at Least Lexus has a ton of experience with the HYbrid set up. I am worried that I now have to contend with 2 systems - regular engine maintenance and now extra worry about batteries and their degradation and replacement. I love the 3 series but I am not sure I want to trust my pocket book to BMW and their batteries when they start to wear down and then all the usual upkeep with a regular combustion engine. If its a lease for 3 years - maybe I might consider . I can walk away - but I am really skeptical about 2 systems to worry about.
savagegeeses life was not worth living until lots of people subs...WAIT...that is so not true...savagegeese always had lives that are THE DREAM! And we are lucky, no, privileged that they let us participate in them. We are so unworthy. Thank you savagegeese!
I have had my 330e since May. My combined MPG is 56.1, not terrible! It definitely is a transitional/gateway product like Mark said. I find myself looking to upgrade to an i4 or iX next!
The cost of the hybrid system is serious money that you will never come close to recovering during the life of the car. Buy a used CPO BMW and you will save a ton of money
Finished watching this review but can’t help feeling you guys missed the point of this as a plug-in hybrid. Clearly this car isn’t meant for the US. Phevs make more sense in Europe.
