2021 BMW R1250 RT Lessons Learned Review | The Pros and cons

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2021 BMW R1250 RT Lessons Learned Review | The Pros and cons
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@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Folks - Many of you have once again pointed out that you can set the programmable buttons on the left fairing to act as a heated grips button - thanks for pointing this out - I should have read the manual!! I'd still rather have a dedicated button in the first place but apologies for not mentioning this fact!.....

@alanhall7213 3 года назад

I wonder if BMW have incorporated the same programmable button on the K1600. The one that I owned required the same faff around to operate the heated grips etc.

@hagetjabringa7055 3 года назад

@@alanhall7213 yes, they have. I own a 2015 1600GT, when in heated grips menu hold down the diamond button for a few seconds (the button above menu). This button is now your shortcut..

@peterihoy4908 3 года назад

You shouldn't be surprised at the effectiveness of the heated seat, it heats the hole of your body ;-) .

@Doco72 3 месяца назад

I just got that! 😂

@zunaidkajee4540 3 года назад

Hi Andy. As much as I love you channel and have been a long time subscriber and follower, I have to say that your review on this bike has been very disappointing 😞. Considering you have had the bike for a little while, you have done injustice with regard to its tech, etc. Seat and grip heating can be called up easily with the push of preset button 2. The bmw nav app works like a charm if you took a few minutes to download the map (once off). The info after every ride can be very useful on the app, eg, Temps, altitude, max speed, average speed, lean angles, riding times, g forces, engin rpms, etc, etc. Also whatever photos you take will automatically be embedded into your trip and app, which you can share with a touch of a button. Also while having a coffee break, you can add or edit routes, insert way points, etc. No more need to carry an additional nav unit. let's not forget a things about a bike like the RT, if you want to have a quick Sunday blast on twisties just remove the side cases, if you want to take the missus, just add a top case, if you want to tour, just fill the tank and activate the Active cruise, and go and you can do all that listening to spotify or any worldwide radio station, for under 20k

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Thanks for the feedback - sorry to let you down Zunaid :0(

@desheathcote714 2 года назад

My 2021 RT had the software update in September and it was a huge improvement.The 4 buttons on the left fairing are programmable to put your favorite shortcuts there.All menus whether phone,settings,navigation,radio,my vehicle or media menu only require a long press up on the menu buttom and it returns to the home screen.

@billlayer5117 3 года назад

You don’t have to go through all the menus to get to the heating options just push button 2 on the left fairing! Button 4 takes you directly to the navigation screen. The navigation at this point isn’t very reliable and drops out but BMW claims there’re releasing a hardware and software revision in September to fix it, we’ll see, I hope so since it’s the only real disappointment on this bike.

@windaubessss 2 года назад

Exactly, I will add that you can set different function to these 4 buttons in the menu, so, you'll be able to add the radio, the navigation, etc as shortcut

@tezb 2 года назад

Can’t believe he had the bike for a week and didn’t know about the short cuts

@ChazM535i 2 года назад

And to get out of the menu from anywhere press and hold the "up" button. If you're going to review something at least learn how to use it. He'll be disappointed next when his kettle didn't come from the shop full of boiling water.

@Nickbaldeagle02 2 года назад

@@ChazM535i to be fair, if you're riding a different bike every other week....

@pgVeritas 2 года назад

@@ChazM535i lol

@justinrood4575 3 года назад

Andy, did you read any of the comments from the initial review you did of the RT a couple of weeks ago when numerous people told you there's shortcut buttons to the heating etc on the left fairing? More homework needed reading the owners manuals prior to reviewing/recording.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

I did of course read the comments from my first ride video Justin (I read EVERY comment on my videos), I even pinned a comment to that video about the buttons. This video was recorded back in March/April long before the first video was published and my error pointed out. My bad! Apologies.....

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

@@thomasoneill2337 Thanks Thomas - you've mentined that several times now, I have received your message and it has had your desired effect on me. Well done.

@justinrood4575 3 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer , thanks Andy. I enjoy all your videos except this one. Being the owner of a 21 plate RT, it cheeses everyone off when the bike is criticised unnecessarily when it fact all the technology is easy to access with a little homework first.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

I'd still rather have a dedicated button....just my opinion, if you like those pre-programmed favourites buttons instead then that's great!

@beardedbiker2647 3 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer I currently have the heated menu programmed to the Diamond button on my B… At least until I find something more important to set it to

@TimRHillard Год назад

Dang, I love motorcycles! And there are so many very good ones these days! 35 years ago when I started riding, you just wanted a bike that would start and make it home running!

@BibtheBoulder 3 года назад

A cracking machine, but I do sometimes feel with technology that less can be more......

@CorneliusBreadington 3 года назад

If you're tooling around town, sure, less tech is fine. But, when you're covering hundreds of miles each day, the tech is definitely a boost. The adaptive cruise really helps relieve fatigue. I went from an '07 RT to a '21 RT. I've done the same rides on the new bike and when I get to my destination I feel a million times better.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

That's interesting feedback SB - thanks for that!

@CorneliusBreadington 3 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer just the switch from the wired throttle to the electronic throttle is a huge boost. The bike responds better. It helps me get going smoothly from a dead stop and helps keep me steady around slow speed corners and through slow traffic. Plus, when I set the cruise control, the throttle doesn't shift position anymore. The wired throttle rolls on and off constantly, but the electronic throttle lets me keep a steady hand on the grip. It comes in handy when the temps drop below 40°F and my right palm is leeching every bit of heat it can get from the grip.

@lesliewilliams8432 3 года назад

Far to much gadjets and gizmos KISS0 keep it simple stupid

@CorneliusBreadington 3 года назад

@@maxflight777 Holding people accountable? You monster!

@nickingram6364 3 года назад

Good review. Would have liked to have seen the sat nav mapping live in action. And I would say to anyone who hasn't ridden one that these bikes can scratch as well as tour....

@Trevor_Austin 3 года назад

What a day for this riding segment. The bike and its rider appeared to cope rather well although the optional water wings and outboard motor (BMW’s Aqua Pack) might have been worth having 😜.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Agreed, a little damp out that day!

@randyarmel6747 7 месяцев назад

Hello. I have a '17 RT (yes, a gen back) and really love it. IMO, regarding the appearance of the front end, we know that we're not getting a sport bike and it needs to be pretty big to give that protection that we love. Ride safe!

@michaelm2937 3 года назад

I have a 2016 RT. To improve leg comfort I added engine “crash” bars and highway pegs so I can extend my legs as needed.

@billybonehead7598 3 года назад

I don’t like to criticise, but during the first review you were corrected on many of the features you made errors on within the comments. Again in this review (heated grip access) you made very basic errors after some time with the bike. I’d never be rude to you as I enjoy many of your reviews, but clear your schedule and get the facts right on these basic points. My comments are made with the greatest respect.

@nickthequick 3 года назад

I've been driving a car with adaptive cruise control for several years now, and I am surprised at how people can be surprised at how comfortable and practical it is. It makes a cruise control about 100% better than an a standard one. I wish my bike had it. Still think this bike lacks in personality though. I am not sure if you know what I mean.

@mmd-pne4998 3 года назад

I Agree

@mjl4010 3 года назад

I'm one of those guys on the other side - I despise when some asshat rushes to pass me and then hops back in front of me and my Subaru slows down. But, that is because drivers in the US suck - they haven't a clue as to what's going on around them.

@PetrolJunkie 3 года назад

I think lacking personality is BMW's personality. It's not just their bikes, but their cars as well. Refined to the point of boring. It sounds like a negative comment but really depends on what you're looking for in a bike, or car. I don't mind that kind of boring. What I hate is a bike with character (engineering defects) that I have to work around to enjoy riding.

@torqueofthedevil8145 2 года назад

@@PetrolJunkie Yeah all those boring M Cars

@PetrolJunkie 2 года назад

@@torqueofthedevil8145 Exactly.

@PetrolJunkie 3 года назад

There are quick-access buttons on the left side of the fairing. One of them takes you right to the heated seat and grips menu by default. Of course, you can change it in the menus as well. Another RU-vidr talked about it.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Yes, see my pinned comment

@Kim_Miller 3 года назад

The problem I've found with built in satnav in cars is that they have proprietary system and maps which means very expensive map updates. My Subaru Outback costs over $400 for a map update, and it will already be two or more years old. My 2012 Toyota, first release GT86, the maps were dated 2009 and a similar $400 price to update. There's no way I'd ever want to have that on a motorbike.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Yes that is true and I accept your oint for sure - but I drive an old car with an old old satnav and it's never let me down yet getting me to where i wanted to go....

@Kim_Miller 3 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer where i live an Australia's east coast we have too many new roads to rely on old maps. We lived in the UK for a few years in the pre-satnav 80s and still have that giant road atlas around here somewhere. The 'good old days'. 😊

@ram64man Год назад

Agreed the gps is rubbish it badly needs apple car play android auto even if it’s a paid for one off charge add on

@garymaclean6903 2 года назад

One of the downsides of a large fairing is the lower air circulation in hot weather. Also the RT is a lot to muscle around. Would have preferred a review that included some better roads where the bike has a chance to demonstrate how well it can handle on high-speed twisting back-roads, instead of sailing through deep puddles on narrow laneways, where there's traffic to dodge. My experience is BMW's excel above many other touring bikes on such roads, but it would have been nice to see how the newest ones do on good roads... Of the BMW models the R-1250-RS is preferable for me. You get a smaller adjustable fairing that isn't as 'bulbous-looking', and most of the rest of the features the RT has, yet it still provides adequate wind and weather protection and good circulation in hot weather. You can still add removable BMW (or other brands) of side and top-cases for when you travel, yet aren't encumbered with all that bulk and weight when you're just on day-trips, which is most of my riding. While the RT is a 'sporty tourer' when compared to the majority of other touring bikes, the R-1250-RS feels more like a great-handling performance bike, with a comfortable yet more sport-oriented riding position, less bulk, and lighter weight. And you can still carry the same luggage when you want to travel... Bonus - it's cheaper too!

@malidawgz5690 2 года назад

k1600 has scoops that you flip out that work well to get airflow in hot weather

@pgVeritas 2 года назад

In fairness, there’s a reason why the bulk of the developed World’s police use RTs and not Japanese or Harleys. That reason is the RT’s very low speed stability, combined with great agility and carrying capacity. TeaPot One us an ex-Traffic cop who trained on and rode RTs in the UK Police. I also seem to remember that one of the UK bike magazines did a piece where a super bike mounted rider, a professional super bike racer and a copper competed around a track. The copper smoked the average Joe, and was within 1.5 seconds of the racer (on a 1000cc) whilst riding a fully equipped Police RT. Never underestimate these bikes. If they were no good, the Police would be buying something else.

@yellownev 3 года назад

I think BMW lost out a bit on this review - If I were BMW I'd want a few more miles done on their bikes on long (a week!) loaners. I have a 2018 and do not like the TFT - poor rushed implementation ( mate has one) Couple of points.... the four buttons on the left hand fairing can be programmed for immediate access to Grips seat settings etc One of the best features on mine is hill hold, great for resting the arms at traffic lights etc - even more so with a pillion on board. Speaking of pillions - again if i were BMW I'd want a pillions review on a long termer loan bike ( a week !) One other thing the gear shift assist pro maybe should have been worth a mention, sublime bit of kit. Take care and if i had your ££££'s I think I'd go for the Goldwing also

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Sadly there was no top box on the bike so I couldn't convince Mrs Flyer to have a go.....

@mjl4010 3 года назад

Yes - locking the brake is an AWESOME feature.

@gmboy559 3 года назад

Meaning no offense - there's a reason why I subscribe to your channel, it's because I value your opinion - you didn't mention a word about the motor or the handling, meaning you've completely (in my opinion) missed what sets this machine apart from its' competition.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

I covered that in my first ride video

@sim124381 3 года назад

Heated grips and heated seats just press favorite button number 2 and your in the menu :).. maps works perfectly without giving it any location , you just need to be connected via wifi and Bluetooth then you can select to put on full screen :) (unless should have an iPhone)

@onecookieboy 3 года назад

You should have read the comments from your initial impressions video, shortcuts to heated grips/seat on the left side of the fairing, the reason sat nav is not 'native' is because they would need to be updated so often you would need a built in sim card and you would pay for that, probably on a daily basis, whereas with Google, it's free and what the rest of the world uses!. Technology really isn't your thing is it?. Nice video otherwise.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

I did of course read the comments from my first ride video (I read EVERY comment on my videos), I even pinned a comment to that video about the buttons. This video was recorded back in March/April long before the first video was published and my error pointed out. My bad! Apologies.....

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Thank you Thomas!

@onecookieboy 3 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer Thanks for responding and I am glad that you read the comments, good and bad. Generally speaking I really enjoy your bike reviews, I find them more 'real world' than most, as well as being more relevant to the country where I live (New Zealand) which has conditions similar to the UK, narrow, twisty roads with changeable weather and lots of traffic. I have had bikes all my life and am a big fan of both BMW cars and bikes, IMHO they have the recipe just right, high quality, performance, reliability, practicality and comfort; it would be inconceivable to me that they would omit something as basic as an easy way to activate the heated grips/seat, after all, there are 3 ways to open the boot on my car, the key fob, a button on the dash and button on the boot lid. They think of everything!. Thanks again for responding, keep up the good work, love it.

@nearlyretired6440 3 года назад

One of the best features of the 2015 RT is the wet weather riding - great protection and handling. You showed this and the way the bike went through the standing water at the end of the video was great. I cant justify the expense of upgrading the 15 to the 21 model - here in Australia it would set me back 35K AUD. Thanks for the great videos.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

My pleasure!

@jameshorsburgh5465 8 месяцев назад

TRY $41K.

@AMPJ08 3 года назад

Think you would have read the manual to see that the heated grips have a shortcut button on the left side! So a bit of letdown you didn’t checked this first. One push and you get the menu. You have enough buttons :)

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

See my pinned comment.

@LOTPOR0402 3 года назад

Think i have said this before too much tech in cars bikes and everything else these days .Most of it used because its cheap to produce now

@CorneliusBreadington 3 года назад

If you want an abundance of silly, superfluous tech, you should go look at sports cars and super cars. Tons of gadgets and doo-dads built into the infotainment that will probably never get used. Meanwhile, I use basically every piece of tech on my '21 RT when I ride. In fact, It's missing some tech like tire pressure monitoring, which is really odd.

@billshillitto7418 11 месяцев назад

dear flyer, there is a row of buttons on left side of fairing any one of which you can designate as quick access to heated grips /seat menu - good reviews tho

@TheMissendenFlyer 11 месяцев назад

Yes - a few mentioned that!

@cyprn6600 3 месяца назад

Went for a 300 mile trip on my scrambler in the rain. Now i want a couch on wheel might end up on a rt

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 месяца назад

Good choice!

@horspiste 3 года назад

I haven't read all the comments so please forgive any repetition. Seems you haven't read the ** manual 🤣 To get maps on the screen you need to connect the phone by both Bluetooth and wifi - although even then I have fitted a Zumo XT to mine..... To get to the heated grips and seat menu just press button 2 on the LHS panel.....right, back to the video.... Next comment - in BMW speak the radar controlled cruise is "Active Cruise" - Adaptive cruise is what the standard cruise is called. The adaptive bit is that it will apply the brakes if the bike is accelerating down a hill.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Thnaks Alan - and yes many have commented on the programmable buttons!

@horspiste 3 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer Unfortunately the buttons are not programmable - yet. We're all hoping that the fabled "unicorn" update coming in September/October? will resolve many of the issues we are experiencing with the nav system and also maybe make those buttons programmable

@philipgraham3350 3 года назад

Hi there, something I want to thank you for is giving a British expat a regular glimpse of scenes back in dear old Blighty. The recent Welsh tour was a good example. Many of us are feeling a bit adrift at the moment what with all the international travel restrictions. Keep em coming!

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Will do Philip!

@bm7760 3 года назад

Oh, I hear ya. When he's touring the English countryside or passing through historic towns etc. I really miss home. NZ has its good points but after nearly twenty years I still feel like an alien.

@ians7929 3 года назад

I’ve gone from the GS to the RT (2016 version). I much prefer it and for some reason the “tucked up” riding position is far more comfortable over the longer touring distances. I think the speed Andy went through the “puddles” while still chatting probably tells you all you need to know about these bikes (bet the dealer is going to love you once he/she sees this video though)!

@deanshaw2128 3 года назад

All the talk of that “tucked up” riding position is probably my biggest hesitation towards this bike (not that I’m seriously considering giving up my GSA anytime soon). Interesting that you say you find it more comfortable for long rides. It’s always difficult to truly test something like this as you don’t normally get given a demo bike to ride for an extended trip. But I was wondering (should one find they were not so keen) if a peg lowering kit might be available to relax some of that leg position ?

@antoniorussell9893 2 года назад

Yes, IMO the riding position is very comfortable. Looking at Andy's legs they do not look "tucked up" at all....

@autofanist 2 года назад

The RT is a great bike. I also moved from the GS and much prefer the RT.

@patobrien1466 Год назад

I love nav from phone, you always have, or should have latest maps and technology. I love that it finds the windiest roads! (If you ask it too)

@bluenapalm123 Год назад

I finally got a test ride on the 1250RT. First thing that really annoyed me was the first point in the video. The Navigation and app requirements on a phone. If I pay £22'000 for a motorbike - I expect GPS/Navigation included - because the alternative is a RAM mount for £50 and your already purchased mobile phone (which works well) and the navigation just works.. I then think what is the value of having navigation on your dash.. well I view it as 'not needing to touch your phone' - however I noticed you need to enter the destination (if a new waypoint) using your phone... so you'd have to pull over - turn off the bike (to be road legal), pull out your phone from your pocket, enter the destination on the phone, put it back in your pocket and then ride off. This is ok if you're planning a 500mile trip.. but for 90% of my runs it's less than 10 mile runs just to bimble about the weekend.. Oh, also, I'd had to buy a new phone just to make the phone fit the bike.. my A52s Samsung (not mega big phone) doesnt fit in the bloody phone compartment either... Really feel like the navigation and phone link is purely for BMW to gather phone information of customers, force them into signing up so data can be sold off... as the user experience is really poor.. Again.. £22'000 bike where a £50 RAM mount and mobile does a better, easier job. Literally EVERYONE.. and I mean literally everyone.. wants buttons for heated grips/seats. Yes they have favourite buttons.. but really?? I'm 5'9 - the wind screen isnt high enough.. I'd need to buy the windscreen extender. Bike rides well. Looks fine. Dash screen is large - but almost wasted with the poor phone to bike integration.. Comfy - no complaints on comfort. Goes well (I'm coming from an S1000R) Nice turning lock (again used to S1000R) Adaptive cruise control is wonderful. You can change gear without the system disabling - fantastic. Quick shifter is clunky (Remember.. I'm spoiled by the S1000R) Clutch needs a lot more labouring to get going - guess that's me not used to the Boxer engine. Things that I would expect is more consideration for the riders... where is the 'here we added the option for a RAM mount'. Simple things that make big differences. Small pocket where you can lock/leave/charge headset devices like Cardo/Siena - like these are the things that make bikes great.. knowing what the riders actually use and would make life easier. Go pro mount bolt.. etc Summary: Buy an older RT for far less money.. buy a £50 RAM mount and boom.. you've the seam features as the brand new one really..

@TheMissendenFlyer Год назад

I'm touring on an RT soon - will be interesting to see how it goes.....

@GS-xg4nz Месяц назад

I agree about an older one but once you've had the 1250, can you go back to a 1200? Dunno.

@joseluisruiz8526 3 года назад

Thanks for the honest and outstanding review. A couple of remarks: so we are consistently using our mobile phones as navigation devices in our cars (and bikes!) but we criticise BMW for implementing the same feature on a motorbike's display? Not utterly fair. And second, button number two (left side of the fairing) is a shortcut to the heated stuff. Not as quick as a single dedicated button but much less cumbersome than the way you managed it.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Yes many have pointed out my error regarding the programmable buttons on the fairing Jose, as indeed they did on my first ride review - this video was recorded about 5 months ago and long before the first ride video was posted - hence the repetition of my error! My apologies - I should have RTFM!

@joseluisruiz8526 3 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer Point taken. Not trying to highlight any errors, just being supportive.

@joseluisruiz8526 3 года назад

@@maxflight777 Well, yes. But there are many features not embedded in built-in nav systems. E.g. there are many people using Waze instead. And the App goes with you, no matter if you are driving your car, a friend’s car or a rental car.

@PetrolJunkie 3 года назад

@@joseluisruiz8526 Biggest thing is that the phone apps often will update with weather conditions, blockages, construction and accident delays which can be very handy verses the built in systems that have a static map. The built in navigation systems have to be manually updated whereas the app on my phone updates on it's own every so often. Not to say that built in navigation isn't convenient, because it is. But having a map in my pocket that knows where I typically go that I put in any vehicle I'm driving is just better in my opinion. I don't have to buy all the fancy options I don't want on a car to get navigation. I don't even need to have it on the dash, I can just plug it in and set it in one of the twelve cup holders. :-P

@craiggraham2638 3 года назад

@@maxflight777 not convinced. We’ve got built in sat nav on my Jag & my wife’s Kia. They’re both a bit duff compared to having Carplay+Waze on the dash (for the live traffic, accident & obstruction reports, a built in sat nav can’t compete). That said, if BMW have gone down the same route as Triumph (ie. have to use their dedicated App for Nav), you’re right - at least in the case of Triumph, the dedicated app is awful. HD at least have done the right thing and just included Carplay support on their bikes.

@brettwright3751 3 года назад

Can you not set one of the function buttons on the fairing as a shortcut to heated seat, grips etc??

@CorneliusBreadington 3 года назад

Not in all '21 RTs. US market '21 RTs didn't arrive with that functionality. They may have fixed it somewhere down the line for for '21s, but it may not be entirely functional until the '22 models arrive.

@ianstockwell9905 3 года назад

One is

@colinnower6913 3 года назад

Function button 2 takes you to the heated seat and grips menu directly 👍

@davidgosling8542 3 года назад

Heated seats and grips are available from a button on the left side of the fairing.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

See my pinned comment

@RichDunn 3 года назад

Geat review, as always! I love the active-cruise and blindspot monitoring on my '22 Multistrada V4S. The cruise particularly is so pleasing.

@lylemacdonald6672 3 года назад

I think most people who are not familier with BMWs who then take a spin on a Boxer RT of any era find they track around curves like they are attached to a rail.

@szaneman791 3 года назад

Definitely a bulbus front end. The look of someone that works out the upper body and skips leg day EVERYDAY :-)

@jeffreyscott4564 2 года назад

The more I ride mine, the more I like it. Coming off the GSA I only have regrets when on gravel roads

@davidgreve1081 3 года назад

It certainly rains a lot more in the UK than it does in Arizona! From the look of all the water in the road and how well thr RT handles in it, really shows off how safe it is in any kind of driving challenge! Kudos to BMW for that! I like your reviews. They're right up where the rubber meets the road! Thats a really nice Bike you have, and im glad you picked it out of all the different models BMW offers!

@ianstockwell9905 3 года назад

The screen is infinitely adjustable, it's not just 2 positions, fully up and fully down. Try it in between the two, you'll find a quiet setting while still looking over the top.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Yes I didn’t mean to imply it wasn’t fully adjustable….

@ianstockwell9905 3 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer I was more suggesting that you should have tried riding with it in intermediate positions. You seemed to go fully up when raining and then fully down otherwise. The RT screen works best slightly up from the bottom when you lose just about all the wind noise but can still see clearly over the top.

@ianmcinnes9398 2 года назад

The more i hear about that TFT the more I am glad I took a 2020 model without the TFT and ACC. The real deal killer was when I took the 2021 model for a test drive and arrived back within moments to tell them the screen (TFT) is blank. Stupid expressions all round, then they laughed, so off I got and took my helmet and POLAROID sun glasses off. Frakkin hell, there is the screen working perfect, glasses on blank, glasses off perfect. But the 2020 model with the NAV VI works great even with shades on. So for almost 3.5k USD cheaper I got a brand new (1km ON ODOMETER) 2020 model and I don't have connectivity problems, don't have two shiny bits reflecting sun into my eyes where speakers go, no ACC just a norm cruise control and halogen lamps. Thank you BMW motorad for convincing me NOT to buy a 2021 model. 30k km are done and not a single moan.

@mattmccourt3591 3 года назад

On the TFT and App...I have the 1250GS Adventure 2021'....the app is very spotty at best...when you take a call it drops connection from the TFT amd to reconnect you have to turn the bike off and start it again...might be an iOS thing with Apple (12 ProMax)...don't know about Android...but it's very finicky...love it when it works but 30% of the time it's frustrating... it will even disconnect on long hauls for no reason...BMW needs to fix this if they are not going to put Nav in the TFT which is what they should do...thanks and great review as always...

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Exactly my point Matt - it's not just BMW, my Honda Goldwing Apple carplay is sketchy at best (to the point I no longer bother to try and use it), I've never got Triumph connectivity to work on any bike with it yet, etc....I'm not singling out the RT or BW here...

@tonycurley2643 3 года назад

Andy The heat grips and seat are configured to come on via switch 2 on the side panel.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

See my pinned comment Tony...

@northerner67 3 года назад

The worst thing about built in sat navs is the cost of updates . So maybe a point for second hand buyers is that your phone can be updated for free 🤔. I do make that assumption thou 🤔

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Yes fair point.....I value reliability over up to datedness in a satnav though!

@kylepayne9657 2 года назад

I bought my first BMW a couple of years ago. (2018 R1200RT) as my daily rider. I absolutely love my RT BUT I’m also blessed that I own a 2018 Goldwing too for longer trips. I love how nimble the RT is at slow speeds. It’s the best of both worlds (my opinion). It’s great for city and highway riding. I love it.

@GS-xg4nz 2 года назад

Good to hear! I'm thinking of getting one but don't 'cross continents' and avoid motorways like the plague. But I do 20K miles a year around Scotland in all weathers and this bike looks like the best weather protection I could get. The only question now is leg position (Knee angle) everyone moans about. I'm currently on a GS which is great, but quite tall for me at %'8" ish. Maybe I'll be ok on the RT. Cheers.

@kylepayne9657 2 года назад

@@GS-xg4nz I’m 5’9” (179.8cm) and after about 3 hours I have to take a break. I really should install engine guards so I can install highway pegs but since I just generally use my RT for city (errands) riding I haven’t installed them. I think you’d love the RT.

@GS-xg4nz 2 года назад

@@kylepayne9657 Thanks, Kyle. I seem to need to stop for a pee (I'm old) every 90-120 minutes or so - so hopefully won't be an issue. :)

@marcoluoma3770 3 года назад

Thanks for another great review. Just to show how preferences can vary, I love the iPhone navigation integration on my GS; I sold the Garmin Navigator that came with it. Also, I despise the adaptive cruise control (my wife’s car has it) and would pay extra to not have it. You’re exactly right about the heated grips menu nonsense. On marginal days I’m always turning the grips on and off, with the button on the right side. Thanks again.

@garethtemple6242 3 года назад

Another great review and I love this bike. It would probably be my 1st choice from the BMW catalogue. Looks being rather subjective, I disagree with you on the looks, which I rather like and much prefer to those of the GS. I do agree with your comments on the unnecessarily complex TFT functionally. Without wishing to appear a luddite, i think manufacturers have gone completely over the top with their obsession with TFT's and made them so complicated that they can only be a distraction when riding.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Couldn't agree more Gareth.....

@PatrickVannie 3 года назад

As always a great review :-) One point that wasn't mentionned is the positionning of the mirrors when you filter through traffic. Because they are positionned so low, i have always found this annoying on the RT when you need to pass car mirrors. But this is really my only point against the RT, for the rest it is a great bike with excellent weather protection as you said.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Yes it is an excellent machine and most of my gripes are pretty minor….

@elithegreat6463 3 года назад

Mr. Flyer, doesn’t the RT have 3/4 preset buttons on the left fairing for the settings you use more often. ?? Just set button 1 for grips, button 2 for heated seat, button 3 for Nav ??, c’mon mate, you must talk about this feature. I know what you mean, I have a 2021 GS Triple Black, and the setting is much easier, but it’s only fair to include the stated feature on this RT 🤷🏼‍♂️

@kilobravo8188 3 года назад

Button 3 comes preset from factory set to the heated seat/grips. RTM before reviews. ???

@elithegreat6463 3 года назад

@@kilobravo8188 Regardless of what button works what ,??, the buttons are there to set what you want.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Yes - see my pinned comment

@garyshuttleworth3459 3 года назад

Missenden flyer more like the Missenden submariner

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Tell me about it Gary!

@mrvoyagerm 2 года назад

If you are having issues moving your light as a feather BMW around, don't try it with a Harley Touring bike. Mine is 370 lbs heavier than yours. Trust me you only move it by hand if absolutely necessary :) It does have loads of leg room though.

3 года назад

Not the RT over the Goldwing, but the K1600 over the Goldwing?

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Nah - last time I rode a K1600 I found it very top heavy and felt like I was about to drop it whenever I stopped - that said I've not ridden one for a while, would love another go now I'm used to the GW....

@STOPsignforRT 3 года назад

Complete and utter agreement with you on two of the downsides of this bike. Man / Woman handling the bike in the garage without power and 'legs being tucked up'. For me, these are #1 and #2 things I am not a fan of. But the pluses far outweigh the minuses. I applaud your honesty in your bike reviews and showing us not just the sunny side but exposing the weaknesses also. That's precisely why I watch your Reviews! Cheers 🥂/🍻

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Cheers!

@clemfandango9534 3 года назад

You can get the seat raised and / or the pegs lowered. Legs being "tucked up" aren't a problem.

@russellchessor4602 2 года назад

@@clemfandango9534 I did that. Legroom still a problem for me and I'm 5'10".

@amc2550 3 года назад

If give the heated grips button a long press it remembers the last setting for seat and grips so i just use that as an on and off button, works on my 21 GS

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

But there is no heated grips button, that is my gripe! You can however program one of the buttons on the left fairing to do it (I should have mentioned that)....

@jimporter 3 года назад

I thought the bike had 4 favourite buttons on the fairing that gives you fast access to things like the heated grip menu (button two). Page 130 of the manual. Maybe not the best place for frequently used buttons.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

See my pinned comment

@jimporter 3 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer I would but I can't find a pinned comment.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

@@jimporter It's the first coment in the comments below the video - I've pinned it there....

@jimporter 3 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer Not showing for me on Windows (Firefox or Chrome or Edge) or on my Ipad.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Weird.......!

@bikerslow2598 3 года назад

That GPS thing is a crazy error when they had the navigator available to be integrated... V odd

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Agreed....

@RE650NZGraeme 3 года назад

There is information about the assignment of the four Favorite buttons around on the internet/manual. I had read it somewhere and have found it again.... The Favorite buttons are assigned with defined functions that cannot be changed. Press a button lightly. The stored function is shown in the TFT display. Press a button firmly. The stored function is executed. If a function is not available because some optional equipment is not installed, a message appears. Assignment of Favorite buttons with audio system OE The four Favorite buttons are assigned as follows: 1: Mute audio 2: Grip heating menu 3: Toggle between radio and media 4: Navigation I don't know how that is setup when the bike does not have the radio... Thanks for the excellent as usual review. The wheelbase on the R1250RT is shorter than the GS and makes it handle a lot more responsively. The Rake angle may be steeper too. I find it easy to move around when off the saddle - well my older 2005 oil/air head anyway - its still 252kg I think. Left hand on the bar, right hip against the frame, right hand on the rear grab and its stable and easy to move forward, turn, backwards etc. I'm slightly shorter than you Andy at 5ft 7in but a little heavier at 87kg. With the extra low seat fitted for ground contact at intersections, my knees are really cramped up. Now I am used to the bike, I will refit the heated seats back on!, but in the low setting. Cheers Graeme, NZ

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Cheers Graeme - good to hear from you again!

@kshg7922 Год назад

Hello everyone, you are doing a great job like always I appreciate, it's very easy to understand the difference between the GS & RT, GS is like a Range Rover!!! RT is like a Mercedes Class S, maybe they are not perfect but nobody can do better today✌️

@grgygantz6760 Год назад

So you say the bike is heavy? Well actually the 2023 model weighs in at 615 pounds. Now my Harley sportster weighs in at 625 pounds. My Harley Road King, if you would like to push around a heavy bike. Weighs in at around 798 pounds. Now that’s heavy. Looking at this bike mainly to ride in the mountains.

@BeemerTwelve 3 года назад

I own an RT and by the time I got to the heated seat and grips menu summer had already arrived.

@brianparks4877 5 месяцев назад

Favorite buttons on left fairing can be programmed for heated seats , grips and two other functions of the riders choice

@allwheeldrive Год назад

Seems the Germans, in particular, are intent on reinventing things when they don't need to, and they are NOT good at, anyway! The problem of providing a simple Bluetooth hookup to Google and Apple's already incredibly-well-resolved maps HAS BEEN SOLVED! I also do NOT like the front end at all, and has kept me away from the bike, as has been the acute kneed angle and the legendary BMW costs of ownership (and the fact that you really NEED to go to dealers to do quite a few simple things). I'd give up (and have given up) the marvelous suspension and engine to get reliability and no-hassle ownership that has allowed me to just hop on and ride, rather than think about whether I have to jump off often to keep from cramping up, and that there's a dealer along the route!

@grgygantz6760 Год назад

Only 20K? That’s about 15K less than a Harley Street Glide. I looked at a 2023 at bike week and the ask was 27k it did have some options on it. Last time I road one. Was about 10 years ago. This bike loves the corners. Can you go over the maintenance cost. I have owned their cars before and found them to expensive.

@malidawgz5690 2 года назад

goldwing side panniers cant hold a full face helmet, rt can. no wireless apple carplay/android auto on the wing, so you have to plug in and then mount your phone on the handle bar, rt has wireless connection for nav via the bmw app and has wireless charging in the fairing pocket, also rt panniers are easily removed for cleaning and maintenance, wing is a disassembly, rt is faster, lighter and more agile, wing have a quick shifter, adaptive headlights? don't think so, both boxers with weight down low but rt weighs 200 pounds less, so the wing needs the electric reverse. Top box (trunk) just this year can finally hold a full face helmet. last three years it couldnt. Radar cruise on RT, not wing. Wing has DCT and excellent reliability better than RT. 6.6 gallons gas tank on RT, wing 5 gallons. I anxiously anticipated the arrival in 2018 of the new wing, (owned a 2002 for several years) disappointed. Didnt buy it, no android auto back then , now it does, finally. Both great rides just my 2 cents

@ChaseTheMoments 4 месяца назад

Thanks, for the review, that just came off my list - Over complicating switches is one of my pet hates so the heated grip palaver is enough to put me off completely.

@grahamthompson3318 3 года назад

I'm totally xxxxx off with the sat navigation; to change the route/search you've to get the phone out your pocket. Not impressed at all. Definitely not worth it. BMW UK blame the dealer who blames BMW UK

@cport955 3 года назад

Re the TFT iT does seem to be a waste of space as my KTM is able to display just as much information on a smaller screen and it’s fewer key presses to get to the heated grips 😀

@apetsel 3 года назад

You can get to the heated grips/seat menu with one press of a preset button, then a little spin of the wheel to select what level of heating you want. It's much faster than going through the main menu.

@convertorx 3 года назад

Big display screen-more distraction- crash probability increased. GW for 32K are you joking

@garytilley3217 3 года назад

Some good & bad points but I’ll lay odds you’re not swapping it for the Gold Wing

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

:0)

@masterspin7796 3 года назад

My #1 concern is being able to push the bike around to park etc...@62 I weigh 140-150lbs. Im strong and athletic but weight is weight plus I will have it loaded with touring gear....The GoldWing at least has reverse.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

...yes that would stop me being able to live with one - surprised how top heavy it feels compared to my GS

@nikkihayes5411 3 года назад

Why cant bmw make a base model without all the playstation shit for the old buggers who would need to stop and get out the reading glasses everytime we want to look at some pointless data bollocks that ive never needed and dont want....might have to buy a crosstourer next while they still exist...🏍️🏍️🏍️🏍️🏍️👍

@mybikegarage1040 Год назад

I am not a fan of the slapped on TFT screen. Why is it not integrated into the bike instrument panel? it looks slapped on there. The old GARMIN NAV unit marriage was the best. I guess the one advantage may be that you can see the road down in front of the bike by not having a Garmin dash mount.

@Davan514 3 года назад

This bike heavy? Ha, ha, ha. I was use to drive big touring Harley Davidson. The Rt is so light compare to those big boats. Yeah, everything is relative.

@byever1 3 года назад

I wish manufacturers just scrapped trying to make in house Software and just implement Android auto or carplay.

@cherniqhs Год назад

Yep, the new cars and bikes listen to the dimb people who wants things like this till the novelty fades and they comolain even ( the glove box in tesla is praised for opening from a menu, uintil you need it quick :D )

@beemrdon52 11 месяцев назад

So a large vehicle is just pulling out of a blind driveway, not looking and you are coming on focused on changing settings at the same time... 😮

@FourIntoOne 3 года назад

Great all round bike but it looks like a porker. Best RT fairing design (IMHO) is the original R80/R100 with the lovely round headlight faired behind the square glass.

@leftymike8730 3 года назад

Great review! I hope you get a crack at the new BMW R18 Transcontinental, their promo video had me more intrigued than I expected.

@petersimpson4030 10 месяцев назад

Just at the point of trading in my Harley streetglide special, I only have 30inch inseam and wonder if it was an issue on the RT

@standupmoto 2 года назад

Great look at the new RT thanks, but geeeeees your roads are narrow

@Moto_APT 3 года назад

Hi Andy, Great review as always and really impressed with your wet weather skills! I have the pre-TFT 1250RT and I agree the that the older dials on the RT suit the bike, but what is really good is that it retains the NAV 6 attachment, so easy to swap from the GS to the RT. I also fitted a footpeg lowering kit to take out the knee kink a bit and I'm only 5'10". It's time for the price that the OEMs started supplying the bikes with more adjustment possibilities. When is the last time you bought a car with a fixed seat? Anyway I do find the bike fantastic for handling and touring 2 up. Keep up the excellent work, thanks.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Thank you for watching!

@mybikegarage1040 Год назад

Agree, great job. All valid points positive and negative. You could ride the 2010-2013 generation and compare the two. That would be a great video to do a side by side. No one does a side by side in generations.

@bigbadbobdunn 3 года назад

The added stability is what I noticed from switching from a 2014 GSA to the 2021 RT. The GSA felt better in the tight bends, but on the straights and higher speed corners the RT is solid.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Yes I entirely know what you mean….

@thebabyblue61 3 года назад

On the left side faring you can assign any of the buttons to do anything, for instance turning the heated grips on.

@CorneliusBreadington 3 года назад

I picked up a '21 RT in the US back in March. The favorites buttons were not programmable. They may have addressed that in a software update, but my dealer hasn't contacted me since I purchased the bike.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Pretty poor show that isn't it....

@ianstockwell9905 3 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer The buttons aren't programmable (rumour is that they will be after the next software update) but currently one of them is set to go to the heating menu.

@ianross225 3 года назад

I had RTs for years starting with an R100RT, K100RT, R1150RT and R1200RT. One day I rode a 2008 GSA which clicked because, as you rightly say, the riding position on the RT is actually cramped and detracts from it’s otherwise great dynamics. I’ve been on GS/GSAs since. Also with you on the mad menu based seat/grip heating. Too clever for it’s own good and takes your attention off the road which is nuts. BMW would do well to connect with actual riders rather than letting their engineers or marketing people loose. Thankfully there’s a starter button…….

@BBD8730 3 года назад

Unsure about the 2021 but my 2018 RT allows me to build in a shortcut on the menu button. One click up and I'm at my heated grips settings.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Yes I think that is still the case judgng by some of the comments here...

@davehemmerly8496 4 месяца назад

I didn't care for the amount of vibration coming through the grips

@hedgehog3900 3 года назад

Hideous looking thing from the front. Like a malignant plastic wart on the face of something more svelte.

@abyalex235 3 года назад

You should definitely review the BMW R18 Transcontinental.

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Yes I'd like a go on one for sure!

@stefanbrycke8168 3 года назад

At 4:30 I thought “what a huge bike” until i saw you stand up again! 😂🤣😂🤣😂

@malidawgz5690 2 года назад

the 4 buttons on the left side fairing can be used as shortcuts for the heated grips or seat control, they also are temp compensated so as they heat up, the heat automatically cuts back and when first turned on, turn on at max til they heat up to one of 2 levels you can set

@cmarkd1 3 года назад

Not having read the previous comments the following may be redundant: The benefits of the RT are related to versatility to individual tastes in all kinds of weather. I understand you can program your "favorites" into the side buttons. Hence your discussion about heated seats (or grips) moot. I do wish you would stop nattering on about your GS. You have made your preference quite clear previously. We all make choices to suit our tastes and requirements.

@cmarkd1 3 года назад

Ok... read the comments. I'll stand down. 😉 Still... that's a lot of motorcycle!

@johnnyfanta 2 года назад

Totally agree on the sat nav/BMW app implementation - would far rather they'd just put bog standard Apple Carplay/Android Auto on it (like Honda and others) and left us with the choice of Google Maps, Waze etc. Missed opportunity though this bike is still at the top of my wishlist 😁

@johnmorrison8671 3 года назад

Far too much faffing about for what should be simple push button operations.

@Shining_Whit 3 года назад

I'm totally with you on the heated seats on bikes! After trying a Tiger 1200 when they first came out in 2 deg C, I was an immediate convert. So much so that I bought an aftermarket item from J&S for winter riding on my current bike. Cost under £15 and works a treat!

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Good aren't they!

@martynlaverick3405 3 года назад

Don't like the sat nav set up compared to a GS, accessing heated grips is too complex but more importantly the tight knee angle as I'm 6ft 5 rules it out straight away.

@horspiste 3 года назад

heated grips and seats menu is a one button press on the LH panel. TMF did not RTFM 😁

@robertmarsh3588 3 года назад

Thanks for posting this great summary! I have an older 2012 RT but some of those characteristics still seem constant (like cramped leg position). FWIW I also own a 2011 GS, and I'd love a bike with the bar position and seat of the RT with the leg position of the GS which would be far more relaxed. This 2021 bike seems an amazing machine but it is too heavy, complex and expensive for me now. Frustrating that most bikes suitable for pillion work are becoming this way. I just want to get on and ride and easily manoeuvre around the garage, not battle with a 300kg loaded weight or complex electronic menus (despite being in this industry as a profession).

@TheMissendenFlyer 3 года назад

Yes I couldn't agree more! Glad we agree on the leg position thing.....

@marksimpson5218 3 года назад

I would love this bike for touring, but I only do that once a year. For local rides I would much rather have a lightweight bike.

@dylanrichards9984 3 года назад

Cool video again. Would you mind posting me your Richa Arc jacket please when you’re done with it? 👍🏻

@dylanrichards9984 3 года назад

I’m not joking 🙃

@theheroblob5036 3 года назад

I have a late 2019 RT that I love! Yeah, its not perfect... some minor niggles, but generally a superb all-rounder. One previous commenter mentioned the fact that this bike can scratch as well as tour... totally agree with that observation. I'm in two minds about the TFT... particularly the sat nav functionality. I tend to agree with your comments there. Maybe future versions could incorporate 'virtual' dials (as well as other info) as many of BMWs cars do.

@johnlenart597 3 года назад

I think BMW has built in button pushing to satisfy the newer, younger riders that will take over as we dinosaurs become history. The RT appears to be quite a good wave runner also. Another "pro"to your list. 👍👍🙋‍♂️