@@silkpursuit Yeah, realistically it could be a chore, buuuut, DBrand chosen as the marque to do it because they have a special touch when it comes to instructing morons to use their stuff.
Still weird nearly 4 years of working on this platform to seeing the components in the flesh from CAD to final product. As a engineer I was eager to hear what you guys think about WL75 and eventually WL74
@@FM-xr5nj yeah I worked on the exhaust, brakes, some suspension, and a bunch of other stuff in conjunction with other engineers. Pretty much a bunch of 20 year olds packaged this thing
SG accomplishes in 15 minutes what other reviewers can't in hours and hours of video. Actual insight and breakdown of pros and cons, real-world perspective, and summaries of both technical and intangible aspects.
Honestly the whole piano black thing is so stupid. If you are paying a lot of money for a car, yes I would want nicer materials instead of piano black plastic. But they are so stupid about the messy/fingerprints. I’m curious how they drive, do they literally touch every surface when they drive?
@@wbae1340 I'd agree about fingerprints. I've never found that so bad. However, the dust these surfaces attract is incredible. You can wipe it off and watch the dust cover it right back up. That makes it look unsightly even if it has no fingerprints. It also does show scratches more than other finishes, though it doesn't scratch any more easily (it's quite hard).
It's a design feature that looks "good" when new but ages your vehicle so fast. My current car has several Piano Black pieces and I ended up painting them.
Impressed, but everyone, every manufacturer, STOP WITH THE PIANO BlACK PLASTIC. It sucks, it never really looks good even new. Just a few miles in and it looks like trash. Please, we have been begging for years, use something else.
Sounds to me like you like the piano black so we'll do more of it - auto manufacturers. They must have seen a review of their cars over the last 3 years and know we hate the piano black. Zero fucks... They double down again
I haven't found it has aged badly in our car, but it was a dust magnet from the start, which makes it unsightly. I'd be much happier with something else.
I'm glad to see you guys review a normal Grand Cherokee. Including the current 2 row they really are awesome vehicles. From a 11 year Stellantis employee (yes I was hired at the beginning of the FCA merger), thank you guys. Us employees are just regular ppl trying to make a living by producing the best product we can.
i like to imagine that after they throw it to the final thoughts and the cameras are off that mark and jack sit in complete, awkward silence the entire way back.
This thing is a no-brainer over an Explorer Platinum, if you go for a slightly lower trim level to get the price down to $60K. This interior, even with the terrible piano black, is about three classes above the Explorer Platinum’s laughably low-rent $30K interior.
@@christopherjohnson3614 no, this is way smaller and not a body-on-frame truck-based SUV. That would be the new Wagoneer that competes with those since it is based on the Ram 1500 platform.
I had a Pacifica rental that I spent a lot of time sitting idling in. The piano black drove me nuts. I used my eyeglass cleaner wipes daily on all of it to appease me OCD.
Definitely an improvement over the previous Grand Cherokee, but good grief.. the piano gloss black plastic is excessive and lowers the quality of everything else that’s so good about the interior. SavageGeese’s reviews never cease to impress. Both Jack and Mark are the perfect duo for these car reviews. Not to beat a dead horse.. but any plans to do a fully in depth review on the new Suburban since y’all reviewed the new Tahoe and Escalade? I remember Jack saying they’re getting one to review in the future, maybe 2022 MY?
@@markmiller3279 thank you. and with the cost of new cars these days, that can mean min $120k to close to $1000k revenue from each person becoming a repeat-buyer.
I have high hopes for Stellantis, however all I can think about is the service manager telling me that 17 front ball joints went out and the bill will be $2275...for the third time. I really hope that in a few years I will be proven wrong and take a good look at their products. This vehicle looks good (piano black aside).
Also, fun to see some engineers who worked on the thing come out of the wordwork. Haven't seen that before. It's clear there was some passion at the table.
@@Mgoblagulkablong That's definitely one way to come out of the woodwork. Somehow not surprised Explorer brought a different flavour of engineering commentary from inside the gates. It's kind of a weird duck.
Wow, never heard you guys talk about Stellantis this way. They actually built a decent car! Sounds like you want to get invited to their events again, correct?
I'm sick of watching Jeep Grand Cherokee L reviews it's like a ton of them out on you tube and I have had enough...o wait Savagegeese just posted on the New Jeep Grand Cherokee L, I have 2 watch this.
There is an old saying: "If you can afford the whiskey, you can afford the ice", wich means that anyone who can buy a 60k+ car is not worried about fuel economy.
It's not nearly as fancy as this thing, but that is why I love my 2019 Toyota Sequoia Platinum. 3 row, V8, 4WD, air ride, electronically adjustable dampers, and comfy seats. Yes it drives like a truck and drinks gas like a truck... but it tows great and magnuson makes a supercharger so once I'm out of my power train warranty I'll have myself a family hauler that can really move.
Yes and no. I drive a 2013 Land Cruiser, which has similarly horrific fuel economy. My overall average is 14.5 mpg. I get around 18 mpg on the highway. Back when I was driving 15k per year (pre-pandemic), I could easily afford the fuel cost at $3/gal. I could still afford it at $4/gal. That said, I would still prefer to get better fuel economy, if only to have increased range.
8:00 Sweet, now instead of "turn around, don't drown" it's "keep going, it's almost closing time at the shopping center and I've got a new handbag to buy."
Sequoia is always forgotten. Maybe it deserves it. But it also seems to represent what watchers of this channel like... A vehicle coming off the assembly line today, that feels like you're back in 2005. And an awesome V8 to boot.
@@anAmishGuy indeed. But it doesn't explain it being forgotten the last 12 years this generation existed, lol. New sequoia could be good, could be bad. If it checks the right boxes, I'll buy a second for myself (current is wife's).
Definitely seems like a good product. I have to see it in person because I'm not in love with the exterior looks. Sad to see SRT go. A quality product like this with an SRT engine and 400+ HP would be fun as hell in the non L variant.
@@hellkitty1014 Q7 Premium Plus is 65k and it's build quality inside and out is outstanding and it's only a tiny bit shorter than this. There's just no way to justify the jeeps price imo.
I recently became a salesperson at a great CJDR store and I gotta say, the L really sold me on the brand's direction and I've got lots of hope for future products
Have been reading owner forums for people that already bought this GCL within the last month. There are tons of problems with it already, all kinds of electrical gremlins, warning lights coming on, CarPlay not working at all, friction/binding when turning the steering wheel, oil leaking, dead batteries, etc. And it's multiple people with the exact same issues, so they aren't just isolated incidents for a single owner. Kind of disturbing, but not surprising for a new Stellantis model. I bought a first model year Ram 1500 and Chrysler Pacifica and they both were/are the least reliable most problematic vehicles I have ever owned, just absolutely awful.
Couldn't agree more. Never owned a Jeep or any FCA product. I was about to order an Overland with the V8 but like you mentioned just reading the GCL Forums is enough to make you run away! I know it's probably only a small percentage of buyers but it doesn't inspire confidence to drop 67k on it!! The 3 year warranty doesn't help either. I think I'll have to pass. It's a shame, there's a lot to like but I suspect it's just not up to par with Japanese or Korean (now) built vehicles. My 2012 Mazda CX-5 has 88,000 miles, not a single issue since the day I purchased it not even a squeak or rattle! Yes it's getting old, is under powered and pretty much useless off-road but it's ready to go every day without a problem and at the end of the day it doesn't matter how cool, rugged and capable a vehicle is if it's in the shop every second week at least for me personally! I think I'll check out the Telluride again!
Then start reading Toyota forums, or 4runner forums, F150 forums, they all gather because they have problems, it's unrealistic in life i see around me to see other makers differently
Flys are standard equipment nowadays, except on european vehciles, they charge extra for everything, the fly costs 500 bucks and is mandatory if you also want heated seats.
Looks like a great product! I really hope it wins for Chrysler they could really use it in my opinion. Most people still see that company as building nothing but trash, but I have a soft spot for Chrysler as they used to make some really interesting and great cars. I guess they still do, just not that many. Thanks for sharing!
I have NEVER had a bad Jeep , and I have had 3. This is damned impressive. Good on them. Always preferred U-connect , as it always was easy to operate , and just worked.
What an ugly looking car . The Old style was soooo much better. This thing is now Aztec Ugly..the inward sloping front grill looks like it was designed by a chimpanzee....and really...too big.
Enjoyed the underside and factory comments in this review. Unfortunately their curse words throughout their discussion made this review quite unprofessional. There's enough filth in the world. No need to add to it. Thumbs down.
If I bought one, the first thing I would do is wrap all that shiny plastic in a matte finish. Then I would have the windows tinted, get the whole vehicle ceramic coated, and clear wrap the front end and mirrors.
I would like to thank Jeep for putting my parents into a Toyota. 1996 Grand Cherokee so many problems, master cylinder, catalytic converter, every light going off, all under 30k. Dad finally got rid of it and grudgingly bought an Avalon. The rest is history, been Toyota ever since. What a world of difference.
Looks great and looks like it’s superior in its class from this video. Keep us always had a way of maintaining its soul in most of their products . This looks like not exception. I just can get past the horror stories on reliability I hear. I hope this is an exception and competes like it should
Sorry but I’ll probably never own anything Chrysler, ever… I used to work at O’Reilly Auto Parts way back when and saw a TON of Chrysler’s come through with numerous issues. They’re just TERRIBLE vehicles! I’d own a fucking Ford over a Chrysler and that’s not saying much because I’m not a Ford person either. Hell, I’d probably take a Ford over a Chevy right now, too lol. Personally, I’ll stick to Japanese and their extremely reliable craftsmanship. You just can’t go wrong with most Japanese vehicles!
Thnks for reviewing this, My wife and I looked at these. We’re “Jeep people” but neither of us felt like this represents Jeep’s brand. Neither one of us found 55k of appeal, and the Piano Black was a hard no for every reason you mentioned.
I agree, this has no place as a Jeep. It was a poor decision by FCA at the time to wrap all their American SUVs under one brand. Jeep has a brand image that this simply doesn't represent. Eight similar vehicles under one brand and half of them don't sell well. Realistically this should have been a Chrysler that will soon be down to one vehicle. It does make sense globally as Jeep has more of a presence than Chrysler, but this is a vehicle for the North American market.
What dude? This is literally the best decision they have made. Do you know how many people have been waiting for a 3 row Jeep? A LOT! It is one of the hottest markets right now. Chill a bit, they still make the Wrangler for the “hardcore” enthusiasts. Plus all of their other models are still the most capable in their class. Jeep is going to sell a shit ton of the new L and 5 passenger variant. I’d say 99% of people buying these cars don’t even take it on a dirt road let alone offroad.
I think this is very much a Jeep, and critical to the future of the brand. It has more off road/soft road ability than any of its direct competitors and exactly the same sort of drivetrain that screams "American". The piano black was a bad decision, but that's just a rather feeble attempt to make the generally nice interior look fancier. At these prices, this is starting to compete with base models of luxury brands, and "fancy" was their attempt to be competitive.
Nice to see they are finally putting good all terrain tires on from the factory, when I bought my last Grand Cherokee they came with all seasons which is a joke because I don’t think you should have to spend $1000+ to get new tires on a brand new vehicle.
My concern about any Jeep is always reliability. I hope the new Grand Cherokee L will prove over time to be reliable, but I certainly won’t buy one the first year or two.
the most problems people had with the last gen were electrical. fca cars are mechanically sound, they just had electrical problems the past 10 years or so. The pentastars are workhorse engines and hemis aren’t horrible either, can easily get 200,000 miles on both engines if tried
@@Alex-pn5bk But electrical problems are some of the worst to track down and resolve. The fact is that Jeep has had a poor track record for reliability. I hope they will improve that but only time will tell. It doesn’t matter how nice a dealership waiting room is - the nicest dealership waiting room is one that I almost never have to visit.
@@M1911jln They may end up benefitting from the "dodge effect" where the vehicles get considerably more reliable over time during production, but seeing how this is a new platform that may not happen for a few years. It better fucking be reliable though, otherwise why have the fuel-hungry V8? This thing gets horrendous fuel economy, and while 12mpg may not be enough of a downside for car reviewers, it's not something we should let manufacturers get away with, specifically on non-high performance cars. That type of fuel economy is not only wasteful, but expensive to the point where it may end up costing the same to own as a German luxury car with more expensive maintenance and better fuel economy. My family recently rented an Audi Q7 with the 3.0T and it had no trouble getting up and going, the Q7 is already considered one of the least efficient SUVs in the segment compared to it's German rivals and yet we still averaged over 20mpg hammering it everywhere while fully loaded with 4 big people and our luggage. It can also tow more, is very capable off-road, and starts in a similar price range.
@@CrazyWeeMonkey I agreed with you on everything you said, right up until you said the Q7 is capable off-road. It isn’t. It has terrible angles and no lo range.
I just got the archaic 2021 short wheelbase Grand Cherokee Trailhawk, because I found the L so hideous looking on the outside and its albatross size isn't doing it any favors either. It screams soccer mom like most other vehicles in its class like never before now as well. Furthermore, the new Grand Cherokee won't have any nice upscale models for a couple more years. While my interior is embarrassing compared to the new one, its a perfectly sized vehicle for hauling my snowmobiles up to the north country throughout the winter towing a sizeable trailer on snow covered roads.
I’m glad this Grand Cherokee can tow over 6,000lbs because there isn’t much, if anything, outside of a truck, that can. I’d rather own an SUV than a truck because of all the spaces being enclosed, and I’ll need something that can tow my toy hauler and RZR. Gas mileage isn’t the best, but neither is the gas mileage in anything that goes, so that’s not an issue for me. With the shorter wheelbase than a truck, I’ll be able to tow and off-road in smaller spaces, so this is a win in my book for the Grand Cherokee.
Jeep should be paying you guys royalties. I recently purchased a 22 altitude. I am a cheap ass so I didn’t spring for the V8 or massaging seats or other high trim stuff, but I really do like this vehicle. Seeing your review of it encouraged me to give it a closer look. Hoping it stays reliable because I really want to have a long term relationship!
Piano black plastics look good in press photos to people who don't think two steps ahead. If there was ever a case for the irony of our age, I think about people associating "the future" with a lack of foresight.
It’s very attractive. It has impressive technology. They invested 1.5 billion on this vehicle. But at $67k, the amount of piano black plastic is just unacceptable. A Corolla isn’t even this bad. I do wonder How does this compare to the Wagoneer? (Not the grand Wagoneer)
Your reviews stooped me from looking at Volvo XC90 and I think you just sold me on Jeep Grand Cherokee. I have owned a Wrangler for 3 years and love it. So it sound like the Grand Cherokee is just what I need next with grandkids and all.
The price is insane for miles of piano black plastic and poor build quality. The base V6 is way overworked requiring. If you don't have to tow all the time, get a Telluride/Palisade.
Here I am in Brazil watching a video of a car we wouldn’t get, but I subscribed to savagegeese and now we’ve reached 1st world status and world leadership in soy production
FCA could not make a proper E segment flagship for Alfa Romeo nor it could use the Giorgio platform to replaced the old chopped up chassis Maserati has been using for years...but jeep took it and made it into a 3-row SUV...oh the irony
With the experience of having my Grand Cherokee V8 engine seize up hours away from home, in winter, I'm certain the Jeep "Quality" here will ultimately live up to my expectations...
I love Savagegeese. I was surprised they were not invited to the launch event with so much genuine praise and engineering focus they bestowed upon Stellantis in the review. PR folks like reviewers who will only say good things and give you a run of features so lame -like Redline, TFL car etc. Good reviewers get sidelined. Keep up the good job you two savages :). Cheers I love American quality products if they can put in some better plugin (50+ miles range) and EV drivetrains with range in excess of 250miles I would buy it and am actually waiting for the announcement.
This is still an FCA product, it was developed by FCA but got released under Stellantis. This is pure Fiat Chrysler. Maybe in 10 years we’ll see a full rollout of Stellantis’ products. Kudos to FCA for making a decent product
Since the V-8 is available as an option only in the top 2 trim levels, it’s too bad Stellantis didn’t give you a tester with the base V-6. Generally that engine gets a little raucous when you work it hard; and with this much weight to move, it may be working hard a lot. The only V-6 I’ve heard that has an appealing engine sound is the 3 liter Yamaha in the first and second generation Taurus SHO. It had a menacing snarl that came on at 4,000 rpm and just got more intense from there.
I am in the market for a 3-row SUV with basically no real budget (would spend up to $100K or so). I have researched all of the vehicles in this segment and have basically narrowed it down to either the Acura MDX Type S, or wait and buy the new Mazda CX-90 later this year (leaning towards the Mazda, really). If the Jeep were $10K less for what you get, OR the hemi V8 version had more power/performance than what it currently has, then I could probably justify it. But, I can't justify buying this product. To me, it's overpriced for what you get, even though the product has come a LONG way vs. the old Jeep products. I feel like the people buying this are buying the ~$50K trim levels and prioritize "buying American", or are just flat-out Jeep lovers. And, there's nothing wrong with that.
I now suspect savagegeese can control flies. Last time it was on a D-pillar of a Mercedes that he was critical of. This time he put on on the piano black panels at 1:25.