Dude imagine going ovver 100mph on a backroad like that and then going off! And yes, I drive that fast on my backroads all the time, then again I live in California.
Done 1700 miles I'm my GR and the ride is fine even after a long trip, don't waste the money it's brilliant as it is. Can honestly say I've never once though about the ride as I'm too busy smiling. Drive like a man possessed to have fun haha what a load of rubbish.
@@rtorbs As a "road"/ daily only I'd say standard, or convenience pack, if like me you want the extra toys/safety aids re the atrocious lack of all around visibility!! Just change the dunlops to Goodyear Eagle f1 supersport or ps4s's. If going to be driving it with esc OFF all the time and or tracking etc, definitely want the circuit pack
as a GR Yaris owner I would say replacing the suspension is not needed at all. it can be improved for sure, anything can be improved, but as delivered from Toyota the suspension is marvelous, one of the strong points that you notice after 10km of driving
@@strangelove9608 really composed. it look like it was setup with one thing in mind... to never under no circumstances bounce and lose contact to the ground.
Circuit pack is extremely comfy and compliant on a good B road, much comfier than just about any other hot hatch I've had, really surprised to hear this review saying it's not comfortable.
@@Mexxx65 sorry, that's just nonsense, have you driven one? I have, went to the test drive in a integra type r with soft quality bilstein suspension, GR was much more comfy and composed on the road, it was a nice surprise...so I ordered one.
@@Mexxx65, think you are wrong there. The standard set up on the Circuit Pack car makes it a tremendous B road blaster. It is more compliant than many of its rivals but still stiff enough to give some good feedback and prevent excess body roll. Most people who say the Circuit Pack is too stiff are trying to justify buying a standard or convenience pack car.
@@ZeeBri Mines December......only good thing is the dev being done by the likes of Litchfield and HKS etc will be well underway so there should be plenty of mod options available
@@rtorbs Yeah the Litcho dampers and seat rails seem like must haves, though not sure about power mods. Seems like a slippery slope. Like how all GTR owners end up just getting 1000 bhp after a while
As many have said, the stock set-up is not that bad, it is in fact quite good (relative to similar hot-hatch / performance cars). As Harry Metcalfe puts it: “the stock suspension is like a nice glass of champagne, whereas the Litchfield suspension is like a vintage champagne. The stock is lovely, but the Litchfield is just that bit more lovely”. The main reason to go for the Litchfield in my opinion is if you want the 25 click adjustment. Aside from that, stock is just fine.
Be quick.i ordered a month ago.its going to be november delivery I'm no you tube influencer.but I might try to get Litchfield to develop it anyway. And i will pay them!
Litchfield doesn't seetle for a tune they go much further than that, they deliver a complete package. Like the reputed Alpina they don't need to make the car even stiffer, they make it more pleiant gaining at same time even better handling. Dan good work showing this Litchfield tune in first hand, you make the difference motorjournalism.
Great video guys it seems the Yaris suffers from many of the things the Focus RS did when it was launched the suspension and seat height are the stand out issues. At the end of the day many of us here in North America are jealous that you guys still get the coolest cars in the world in your markets. I guess we will have to settle with the TRD Camry 😂😂
To have improved bump/rebound absorption AND lowering is a big achievement. I guess Nitron have used beefy bump-stops. As soon as Litchfield release the 500bhp pack I’m buying one (will settle for 400bhp 🤓)
I think most will use it as just that, although if it's just one person in the car and then travel light I think it can work fine as a daily, it's even not bad on fuel if you can resist launching it at every set of traffic lights 😎
Really surprised at his comment that the Circuit Pack has a “tense, busy ride”. It simply hasn’t at all, it’s very well controlled and damped on bumpy UK roads (as pretty much every review has said). I’d say that there is room to improve it as a track car, not much at all as a road car.
Looks like you might have gone straight over the lights when you left the yard towards apperly I think?. I have worked there a few times, hearing the GTR's go off on their test runs. Ian is a genius, I think they were the first to drop a mk4 skyline gtr gearbox into the GTR. Apparently the new one loses a lot of power through the gearbox, everyone including people at nismo said no it can't be done. Only a retired nismo guru said it could be done.
Once again, Dan echoes my concerns about the GR Yaris - its limits are very high, which means it has to be pushed too hard on the public roads to make it fun. Good honest review
I bought one and basically with all 3 modes the rear won't come around at all. I wish it was a bit more like my old Evo where it felt like you could steer the car from the rear.
It a very fun car, it launches ridiculously quickly, you can do any speed on any road in any conditions, itl drift if you want it to. RWD hatch hatches no longer exist, as AWD HH come this is way more fun than the others, and is the only one which is not FWD biased. In Sport mode 30/70 it can be very playful. Its limits can still be exposed on the road, even more so in track. The fact its unflappable is a good thing when it means you can embarrass supercars!
Not a chance it's amazing at all speeds, I've owned a few very highly rated hot hatches , 2 rear drive Bmw's and my GR is more fun at all speeds than them all.
@@deanowarrior having spent a couple of hours in a GRY, on a twisty B road it is epically capable. However, when pottering around, there’s zero sparkle - it’s undeniably a very expensive Yaris. If you want to go from A to B at hyper speed, buy one. If you want something that feels special, spend £32k on something else
My biggest issue with this car is I can see the outstanding demand keeping their resale values up high. Looks like I wont be able to afford one anytime soon!!
@@relentlesspursuit6894 25k cars originating from a county who sick the wheel on the correct side (I am in Belgium, but British born). I think the UK market will get a good loins share of that volume. It’s not quite a GT3 type of car (maybe 1,500 produced world wide) which are really hard to purchase new, if not impossible. We can walk into a Toyota showroom tomorrow and order a GR Yaris. As a better compression to the GT3, another hot hatch, there was only a few thousand V6 Clio’s made which are expensive to buy. So 25k Yaris’ is a really good supply and will effect resale a little. Either way, GR seems such an awesome little car and will defo hold onto its resale more than an Fiesta ST, GTI etc... maybe better that an AMG A35... Either way, Toyota look to have made a cracking product. One day I hope to own one
@@legaltechinnovations1594 you can indeed walk into a showroom and buy one - a trouble is you have to wait a whole year to get one. Demand is seriously outstripping supply. By the end of 2021, 1750 units will be in the UK. Itl be the last petrol powered homologation car we will ever see!
What I miss the most about my previous megane 3 trophy ohlins? The ohlins and the dumping quality. Good dumping is such a thing people tuning their cars forget about
Question on warranty. Do you void it if you take the suspension? Also, all this talk of adjustability of suspension, is it on a ramp adjustable or (as i'd hope) on a button in the car? Got one coming in June
Great article and exclusive, it would be nice to see you review more of Litchfield products, like their Audi RS6.. Porsche 911 etc... this is a serious development outfit way ahead of the other tuning companies.
40mm? I wonder how much the suspension geometry (especially the front roll center) is affected by this (not familiar with the actual kinematics of its suspension)?
How many people that purchase this car are actually going to drive this on a rally track/route? And there's also tarmac sections or full runs where it's 100% tarmac during a rally. Daft comment.
Looks like the B4213, coordinates for Google: 51.94734226429412, -2.220351017840986. The lakes are just the River Severn flooding into the fields either side of the road though.
@@achilleconte4385 I had a look on Google maps satellite view around Litchfield Motors for a heavily tree lined road near the river. In one of the drone shots you can see a single tree in the middle of the water to the left of the road - that was a useful marker.
So Litchfield and Nitron are better than Toyota engineers who spent considerable time and money on developing this car? My personal experience of coilovers is they are too hard for British roads. Better to wait for lower springs and more aggressive geometry settings than rip out standard suspension.
The standard setup is quite firm for British roads - the circuit pack is set up for track driving so on a pot hole ridden B road it can feel a bit harsh at times. Lowering springs would make that worse, coilovers is the best bet to get the right ride and allow adjustability depending on requirements
The engineers aren't responsible for the finished product in companies like Toyota, the accountants are. And you wouldn't be able to get the accountants to sign off on dampers as good as the Nitrons for the asking price of 35K pounds. As for your 'personal experience', you've just been trying coilovers that haven't been set up to your personal tastes. That is the beauty of adjustable shocks, how configurable they are.
The Japanese expect people to change things like suspension on this kind of car...the right coil overs can make a car more comfortable and ride better. Meister R are about the cheapest that ride well in my experience. All depends on who specced and developed the coil overs...and where they did testing. This Nitron setup will be spot on.
I have a GR with the track pack and honestly, don't feel what you're describing as 'busy'. I recently got back from Scotland (1100 mile round trip) and wouldn't say it was particularly difficult or stressful. My 718 GT4 would of been more stressful. Perhaps it's just me?
How about the suspension found in the base trim and Convenience Pack? Is more confortable for the daily basis use than the included in Circuit Pack? I'm trying to understand if for a normal driving experience the LSD differential doesn't make difference then the Convenience Pack is the best option.
Nobody would buy a conveinance pack spec car! Opting not to have the additional LSD, lightweight wheels, PS4S and proper suspension is crazy - a car like this should have all of these
@litchfieldmotors. Hi, I'm really interested on that Nitron suspension kit. Is there an option for just 20mm drop? (40mm drop seems too low, body work just behind the tyres would probably hit the kerb when coming off it at a perpendicular angle, (awkward/tight access from/to my driveway). Will certainly get that power upgrade, see you in summer/autumn. Cheers
Used to like PH but lately it’s just I bloke talking into a camera for ten minutes with occasional road shots in every video . No interior or more in depth videos of the car itself
Well, not quite, this is the circuit pack car which is more firmly sprung than the non circuit pack car, this has just been done to give the circuit pack version a better ride for our B roads. It's odd Toyota doesn't let you have the more softly sprung car with the lighter wheels, LSD differentials etc. Also note the Nitron are good but quite expensive, quality costs. The Yaris has a load of bespoke kit, but still you have to make a decision somewhere to make it reasonably priced.
40mm is too much. this is not a track car. don't make it so. in fact, with 40mm lower suspension, it lost most of its charm, managing to look like an exageration, like a teen's ricer car. visually, it is a fail.
I think Toyota knows more than Litchfield.........you are on the money. Reckon Piston heads are talking this up for a reason..........mmmmmmm what could that be?
@@JDMism JDM ism.......seems i was right and the are 25000 reasons to prove it, just ask Chris Harris. Don't be that ignorant guy, alternate opinions may have some truth.
@@gamerscockpit LOL, no, seems you are completely wrong. Chris Harris said Litchfield DIDN'T pay anything which is exactly the opposite of your theory that Piston Heads are talking this up for money. Alternate opinions are mostly the imagination of people who are too scared to say "I don't know". I hope I didn't use too many big words, you seem easily confused
Absolutely nothing wrong with the standard suspension, developed by bespoke people, including Tommii Makinen, over hundreds and thousands of miles. Why change what's already brilliant?
Also, there's an (obviously) noticeably HUGE difference/improvement in the sight lines of the road as well... Just look at how much lower that front angle/view is and how much lower that hulking/bulky frontal area in general is with the Litchfield suspension. One of my largest gripes about modern cars is the ridiculous amount of bulk/mass and high scuttle/windshield line in the frontal area... I know it's because of silly pedestrian impact safety regulations (there now has to be a huge gap between the top of the engine and the top of the bonnet/hood to cushion the precious head of the moron who stepped out in front of you) but my god are cars ever fugly now because of it... The new Subaru BRZ gets around this ugliness by having that boxer engine sit WAY down low in the chassis at least...
I love this car up until the point when your asked what car you drive, then you have to try and explain why you love your Toyota Yaris so much. I’ve already had someone say “our local takeaway driver has one of those” 🤦♂️
@@relentlesspursuit6894 they are definitely not a bargain, not when you actually get up close with things like the interior trims etc. I remember buying a mk7 fiesta st3 for £15k, that’s the only time I’ve walked away knowing it’s a bargain!
@@stevenmcgeorge1983 I would generally agree with this....however Toyota will have to balance usability with ride comfort, handling etc and then strike a happy balance for the mass market......its possible to work within the parameters and focus some elements to be better than others for a more performance focused ride for the customers that require it imo. The main adjustment being the ride height, Its obvs manufactured higher to be more practical for speed bumps and ride comfort, lowering it will make it more stable but the tradeoff is practicality on the road. Defo agree that no mods are needed though
@@relentlesspursuit6894 yes 😅 Anyhow, the does restore some faith in the petrolhead community for me, because a car that is no nonsense driving machine gets the attention it deserves.
@@relentlesspursuit6894 The ugly little toad, is already overpriced, for what Toyota give you, metres and metres of soft plastic. And No Doubt everyone who has one right now, will stupidly ask ridiculous amounts for it, which entirely eskews what the worth of the car really is, which is about (AU at release) 39,000 dollars.
