sorry to be off topic but does any of you know of a tool to get back into an instagram account..? I stupidly forgot my account password. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me
@William Roberto thanks for your reply. I got to the site on google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff atm. Seems to take quite some time so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
This was very useful and straightforward. I have a growing list of 20 Niners that I'm considering but I'm coming back to a couple of them and the Stumpjumper expert is one of them. I had initially considered the Evo but the climbing thing is good to know. I don't like to be held back on a climb. Definitely leaning towards the Stumpjumper
Your vid was as a help. I’ve been waiting all summer for my SJ alloy comp to be delivered in September to my dealership. They have a SJ evo in stock and it is so nice, but also priced more than a grand more than the SJAC I have on order. I can afford either bike but the decision to wait and go with the standard SJ has been a back and forth mental tug of war. As I said….you have helped me stick with my original decision, save the extra cash, and pick the bike based on how I ride, where I ride and not on simple impatience. Meanwhile I will ride my 2021 turbo levo comp and clear a space in my garage for the SJ coming next month!!!!
I own a 21 Stumpy and a 22 EVO with similar components with the EVO having slightly beefier (heavier) wheels. Most of the trails I ride in MA, NH and VT are rocky, roots and technical. I prefer my EVO for that stuff, it’s a tractor, pedals well and is a much more solid chassis for not a huge weight penalty. My Stumpy definitely is faster up hill and on smoother trails is the obvious choice. It’s my endurance bike for long rides. It definitely gets overwhelmed when it gets real rough but it can handle a lot. The extra 1/2 lbs of the EVO frame has a large effect on stiffness.
Thanks for the review dude. I'm looking at the Stumpjumper Pro 2022 and the Stumpjumper Evo Pro 2022 and judging from your videos (I lean more towards XC), I'll go for the regular Stumpjumper Pro. Straight to the point review, no bullshit, no crazy effects and music. Chillax, laid back - I like it!
@@kentao4 I did make a purchase but I went with the S-Works Stumpjumper. It's an amazing bike but I'd advice going for the Pro version instead of the S-Works. The value you get for the extra money is not worth it IMO.. But it's a light and FAST bike! The tire's that comes with the bike (purgatory and butcher) is a bit too heavy for my taste so I switched them out for Ground Control.
@@MikeBertelsenDK thanks for the info. Not sure I’ll go up to that model as I just don’t ride enough to justify the price. Likely will be at the expert level and upgrade wheels and go axs a bit later.
Really don't know which one to order...they are both on sale right now, ughhhhh. Really really appreciate this info and video! Going with an S3 Expert (non-evo)...at 5'9" I should be good to go!
It’s a tough choice! Both are great bikes! I love my non-Evo Stumpjumper. Between the two, that is the bike I would choose if I could only have one. The Evo is a great bike too, but for me, the non-Evo is more well-rounded. Enjoy whichever you get! They’re both awesome. Cheers
I was leaning towards the Evo Expert but no has one but however I did manage to find the regular Expert and snatched it up real quick. There’s a shortage of bikes.
Hey T. Jones! How are ya? What do you think I’m 6’2ish 185lbs, about to pick up an S5. The size chart puts me dead center. Seeing your vids and how your rocking an s3 scares me a little!! What do you think?
Hey Blake! It really depends on the terrain that you have regular access to as well as your personal preferences. I prefer a smaller more “moveable” bike so the S3 is great. I know people that would go S5 at my height and be happy too just because they like the longer feel. Are you about to pick one up from a shop? If so, definitely try pedaling it around before swiping that credit card and see what you think. With minimal info I’d say definitely an S4 or S5 for you at 6’2”. S5 does have longer chainstays than all of the smaller bikes so it’ll be longer in both the front triangle and rear end. I made my decision by looking at things like wheel base and reach and then comparing them to bikes I’ve previously owned and have enjoyed. If you can do that, I’d recommend it. Wish I could give you a clear answer but hopefully those thoughts help guide a little bit. Cheers
Thanks for the review. It has given me piece of mind. I came across your review after purchasing the Stumper Jumper last week. I was trying to decide between the two. I am replacing my Pivot Mach 429 Trail which is very fun bike, but lacks a little rear travel. I also have a Mach 6, but it has 27.5 rims and takes a lot effort for pure trail riding. I really liked the Evo and the idea of having 29 rims with more travel, but was concerned it would still be a little sluggish and more effort for climbing. I’m in Mi and the majority of the trails are short ups and downs. It’s still winter here so, I haven’t been able to try my new Stumper Jumper on the trails yet. Now that I saw your review, I think I can stop worrying that I made the wrong choice. Do you know if the Stump Jumper you reviewed had the flip chip in the high or low position? Thanks again for the review.
Hey Bill, congrats on the new bike! Don’t worry about your choice! The Stumpjumper will blow your mind. I believe the bike was in the low setting. I love my Evo, but since making this video have picked up a Stumpjumper frameset myself. I should have my build done soon. For some rides, the Evo is just too much bike. The standard Stumpjumper really strikes that balance between climbing performance and downhill capability. I can’t wait to get the new rig out on the trail! Enjoy your new bike once the trails dry out! Cheers
Thank you for the comparison! As I get older, I would be slowing down on gnarly trails since I can't afford to miss work, not to mention now brittle bones. Would you recommend regular Stumpjumper over Evo for slower folks still wanting to go down gnarly trails? Curious if forgiveness of slack angle and longer travel applies more for those going faster. I am looking to upgrade my 5 year old Cannondale Trigger.
The Evo is going to be happier on more aggressive terrain. It feels a bit slow on trails that are mellow. It all depends what your definition of gnarly is I guess. The standard Stumpjumper can definitely rip on gnarly trails but it’s limit will come sooner than the Evos. So it’ll just depend how hard you’re pushing and what your gnarly is. The Stumpjumper will be much nicer to you on the climbs though which is something to keep in mind. Both bikes shred so if you’re slowing down, I’d probably go regular Stumpjumper and enjoy the efficiency on the way up. Hopefully that helps a bit. Cheers
Want to hear something crazy- Im deciding between these two and what Im close to is more likely suited for the regular stumpy. My BIGGEST issue is I hate the color options for 2022 lol. But the EVO is flat carbon and so much better looking. Im trying to get an idea just HOW MUCH more difficult it is to pedal. I will only have one mountain bike. Nobody has commented about how if you put the evo in the steepest setting, if it becomes a better climber. Everyone says its “ a bit” heavier, “a bit” less efficient but I’m looking for HOW MUCH lol. I had a 2019 stumpy expert and I didn’t think it pedaled that well - I also wasn’t in as good shape as I am now. Was it the FSR or the lack of shape I was in? These are the questions I have. Some people have said the reg stumpy is fine for basic stuff at the bike park too. I will be doing more local riding than anything but because I’m in a new area, I dont know how crazy they get. I guess my best question is: Does the 2021/2022 EVO climb better than the regular 2019 stumpy? Both are FSR and both a little heavy. Is the climbing between the 2021/2022 evo and regular night and day different?
Hey Kenny, I really like my Stumpjumper Evo. When I only ride this bike for days straight, any pedaling deficiencies start to fade. When I mix in my gravel bike or XC bikes, then the Stumpy feels a bit uninspiring when climbing. In all honesty, because of this, I am currently building a standard Stumpy (not yet done). The Stumpy Evo is a monster of a bike on the downhills. I expect that the standard Stumpy will perform at a high level on the descents also, but the Evo is on another level. I plan for the standard Stumpy to become my regular bike of choice, reserving the Evo for the gnarliest of days. I do believe the new Evo climbs better than the prior generation of bike. It definitely climbs better than my 2019 Stumpy ST. I briefly ran a RockShox Super Deluxe Select on the Evo and was really happy with the climbing performance of the Evo/Super Deluxe pair. IF I COULD ONLY HAVE ONE, I think I would pick the standard Stumpy. I haven't finished building mine yet, but I know that a 130mm travel frame is plenty capable and can get down incredibly technical trails. The risk factor might go up compared to a bike like the Evo, but it is still possible to succeed. I also expect the bike to come out pounds lighter, and paired with more efficient tires, will become a great backcountry bike. I plan to do BIG rides on the Stumpy. I have done 10,000ft+ days on the Evo, and generally on rides like that, I would prefer to back it down 5% on the downhill aggression in exchange for large uphill performance gains. If you plan to occasionally visit the bike park, then the Evo may be the way to go. That said, you could also put a 150mm fork on the standard Stumpy and a heavier duty piggy back style shock and turn it into a trail killer. If you feel that you would prefer pedaling performance over outright down hill shredability, then the standard Stumpy is going to be the choice. Hopefully that helps a bit! Let me know if you have any other questions! Cheers
While I'm at it: on sizing, you mentioned the S4 Stumpy is better for you, cause it helps compensate vs. the S3 EVO downhill capability? As a general rule, the more XC you go, the longer the reach you want? I'm 180cm, so slightly shorter than you but it looks like you're leggy. All the online reviewers are around my height or shorter and were given S4 EVOs.
Ya so the sizing is a bit challenging to explain. I am more leggy as you mentioned. I made my decision on the Evo based on my prior Stumpjumper ST dimensions. I also looked at numbers from my Epic and compared everything. I knew how I wanted to bike to feel and all the numbers pointed at S3 for achieving that. That all said, me being on an S3 does not follow current marketing trends in the slightest. Going through the same process on the normal Stumpy points me towards an S4. For what I wanted, the bigger sizes start to give the bike too big of a footprint on the trail and kills the nimbleness. It just wasn’t what i was looking for. Yes I could ride an S4 evo or even S5 and it’d be appropriate, just not what i wanted for where I live.
@@TJonesMTB Currently on a '22 S5 Stumpy Expert. It's a perfect fit for what I ride locally. My only concern is that at 205 lbs, am I pushing the Fox 34 and flex-stays more than they were intended for? This thing rips smoother single-track but gets a bit overwhelmed in some mild chunk. I'm not looking for KOM on climbs, and also not hitting large hits on the decent. Given my size, would an EVO be a better fit? Also, at 6'1" (more torso),would I be better off going with a S4 on the EVO vs the S5 on the standard? Thanks for the input!
@@jklamach it sounds more like a suspension tuning issue than anything else. The flexstays and Fox 34 are very capable of handling a 205lb rider when tuned right. Yes, there are stiffer fork options out there, but that’s not to say that your current setup can’t work for you. I recommend starting by getting some suspension tuning advice from a local shop or tuning specialist. The Evo is stocked with suspension that uses a stiffer chassis, which has its benefits at times, but ultimately still has to be tuned correctly to your weight and terrain. I don’t think jumping ship is necessary in this case, especially if the bike is ideal for your terrain. If you can’t quite get the stock suspension dialed, I’d recommend swapping the suspension to something like the 2023 Rockshox Lyrik and Super Deluxe Ultimate. This will give you a stiffer fork and more durable rear shock, while utilizing the bike you already have. These products can be tuned to properly support your weight while providing performance on the smooth terrain and in the rough stuff. Also, 200lbs isnt a crazy weight or anything. Most products in cycling will easily perform optimally at that weight, with the exception of super light xc race products, which list weight limits. Hopefully that helps!
@@TJonesMTB Thanks for the detailed response. Yep, I still love the bike, it just sounds like I need to play with the suspension settings. Have a great season!
Hey, The Stumpjumper and Stumpjumper Evo use completely different frames. When filming this video, i only had access to an S4 Stumpjumper. Since then, I’ve bought a Stumpjumper and also went S3. When purchasing the Evo, i looked a lot at the reach, front center, and wheel base lengths. The S3 fit what i like and my riding style. I haven’t regretted going S3 on either bike. I’ve had the chance to ride S4’s since, and it always reinforces my decision to go S3. Obviously down sizing isn’t for everyone, so it is best to try to demo the sizes you’re interested in if possible. Cheers
Great review T! The one thing I wish you covered was the EVO adjustability: if you steepen seat angle and raise BB, do you get back some Stumpy climbing feel? Does a partial shock lockout help? I have boring DT climbs around local mountains, but if feeling frisky would hit the ST climbs, don't want to buy an Epic, and really want the EVO downhill capability and increase SWAT storage.
I thought about touching on the adjustability but there’s already so many videos out there talking about all the different adjustments so I wanted to stick more to my experience as opposed to potential possibilities. If you’re interested in the climbing abilities of the Epic but want the descending capabilities of a bigger trail bike, then you’re a great candidate for the standard Stumpjumper. My Evo is in the stock adjustment settings and climbs well but it’s not as snappy as the standard stumpy and I’d say thats more due to the rear end (flex stays) more so that just the geo numbers. You could steepen the angles and that would make the Evo twitchier but I don’t think it would get it a quicker climbing feel. If you want better climbing, I’d go standard Stumpy. I don’t lockout the rear end on the Evo while climbing but do use the mid setting always. Full open on downhill. Given everything you’re saying, if u only want one bike, get the Stumpy. It’s super capable downhill, has the larger Swat storage, and climbs well. This test has me wanting one... let me know if you have any other questions. Cheers!
@@TJonesMTB Thanks Tyler, good intel. You're right, the Stumpy is better for most regions. Catching up on your Annadel rides: Burma and Cobblestone look 20% super chunky, especially if you don't pick the perfect line. Would the Stumpy have been faster? Would it be more fun? Just hard to ignore the EVO can essentially become a park/downhill bike with a hex wrench. And I live in the East Bay, with Mt. Diablo descents and Santa Cruz close by. Hit me up if you're ever in town! Between the fact that Specialized has raised prices, retailers are COVID marking them up even higher, and you can't ever sit on or test ride anything, this market is a pain in the ass.
@@ultimatist it is a total pain trying to find these bikes. I had to take a blind gamble when purchasing mine. So if I still lived by and rode Annadel regularly, I’d take the normal Stumpy. But living in the high country in CO, I’m able to utilize the Evo. The standard stumpy would be totally fine out here but there’s enough opportunity for the Evo to shine that it was worth picking it. Also I am fortunate and have an Epic to pair it with for mellower trail days. Even if you were doing weekend trips to Northstar and owned the Evo, I’d consider renting a bike to avoid the abuse... Evo can hang, but it’s still a lot of abuse up there. Cheers
@@TJonesMTB yeah, good point on rentals. Something comforting about knowing I torqued my own bolts and bled my brakes before risking my life (too many shoddy LBS repair jobs where I had to refix warranty work), but I'll research the quality of the rental fleets before summer.
@@ultimatist also I’ve heard all forms of Stumpys should be available in the Spring, so hopefully that is true. I’d guess you have time before making an decisions though. Cheers
They are, but if I did it again I’d probably get a standard Stumpjumper and an Enduro so that they’re a bit more different. Both are sweet bikes though! They are definitely different bikes, but for most people it isn’t necessary to have both. It depends on what your needs are. Cheers
Hey dude! I’m 5 10 - 177cm tall, what would you think is best, S3 or S4 on a reg Alloy stumpjumper? I’ve been riding for a year and it’s been on a Hardtail, I’m ready to go for the full squeeze!! I like ALL type of trails and styles of riding so which size bike you think would perform better all around? 🤔 Thanks! 🤘🏼😁
Hey Jose! At 6’, I ride an S3 in both sizes. Some people disagree with my choice, but it keeps the bikes nimble and I like how they ride. I haven’t regretted my size choice on either bike. The standard (non-evo) Stumpy is an amazing rig and my regular go-to choice for all rides. At 5’10”, you could really go either way. If possible, I recommend visiting a dealer and checking out the sizes in person to compare. Cheers!
Nice comparison, picked up the stumpy alloy in satin blaze, great ride. Im thinking of upgrades, do you have any recommendations. My first thought is front fork as it has rockshox.
That looks like a great bike! Regarding upgrades, it depends what you’re wanting out of the upgrade (weight drop, smoother ride, stiffness, etc). Generally, I like to recommend wheel upgrades, especially on bikes at this level but it looks like it has a reasonable wheelset. There is a lot of weight to be shed in the drivetrain if you’re looking to lose weight. Personally after looking through the specs, I would probably replace the cranks with something lighter because you can get a lot of bang for your buck. I would also upgrade the brakes because control impacts speed and confidence. After that I’d recommend looking to see what upgrades will have the biggest return on your investment. I haven’t ridden the suspension that comes stock on your bike so I can’t say whether or not it should be a priority upgrade. Rockshox is generally a great product though. Upgrading the cassette will drop a significant amount of weight also. Hope that gives you some ideas! Cheers
I just bought this bike......never had a carbon bike. Would you recommend a specific frame protection to put on.......ride wrap, all mountain style, or invis? I just want the strongest to give my investment the best protection. Thanks and great reviews!
Hey Wes, Congrats! The new bike will be awesome! I personally don’t wrap my bikes. I think any of the brands that you mentioned will do a good job with preventing scratches and scuffs. I do add electrical tape around potential wear spots in the rear triangle and back of the seat tube (anywhere mud might rub more aggressively against the frame). I do this to protect the paint in order to retain resell value. Otherwise I pretty much run the bike as is! The method that you use to clean dirt/mud off of the frame will also help reduce scuffing/scratching. I use a gentle spray bottle and soft towel. Brushes, rough towels, dried mud, etc can scratch the finish. Hope that helps! Cheers!
At 6’, I was quite happy on the S4 for the standard Stumpjumper. I would probably recommend the S3 for you. On my Evo though I did downsize to an S3 because it’s a bigger bike. It depends whether you’re looking at the standard stumpy or the Evo version and most importantly your riding style and how you expect it to feel. I know it’s tricky right now, but if you could get to a shop to test ride each size, I’d recommend that. Hopefully that helps a little bit! Unfortunately there’s too many factors to give you a specific “do this” kind of answer. Cheers
im looking at these 2 bikes one is 6000 the stuntjumper and the stuntjumper evo is 6500 not sure which to get and what size do you think i should get im just under 6ft, which one is more verstile and can do eveything im not a pro but want to do chill rides aswell as decent jumps/drops and the local trails /park
Hey MrTikdo! The price’s on these bikes has raised a lot since I filmed this! Wild. I still love my Evo. It comes alive when being pushed on my aggressive terrain, but can obviously be ridden on mellower terrain also. It is definitely overkill on certain trails, but that is too be expected with a bike like this. If you’re wanting to do park and drops, the Evo might be more suited to your needs. I’m 6’ and ride the S3. There are also people that are 6’ that prefer the S5. S4 is the safe bet, and what the chart recommends, but I love the size of my S3. I know it’s tricky right now, but if you can find some different sizes to sit on for a parking lot test, that will help a lot. Cheers!
I test rode a 2022 s2 stumpy alloy and a 2022 stumpy evo in s3. I was going to get the S2 stumpy becasue the s3 evo felt a little big but then I saw this video. Is the evo significantly different that I should actually try to find an s3 stumpjumper alloy before a make a decision?
Hey JR! If the S2 Stumpy felt good, I would recommend going with that. If it felt so so or questionable at all, then try the S3 before making a purchase. The Evo is a longer bike due to it’s geometry and amount of suspension, which is why I downsized. Hopefully that helps! Cheers
When you say the regular stumpjumper does better at climbing do you mean the stumpjumper alloy,stumpjumper comp alloy? Or which one you mean? I had a 2019 stumpjumper st and then got a 2020 stumpjumper st but now I went to get back in riding and I see there is so many stumpjumpers.
Hey, in this video I was referring to the standard Stumpjumper (130mm travel frame) in carbon, compared to the Stumpjumper Evo in carbon. The Stumpjumper ST was discontinued. Both bikes climb better than the prior ST version did. Hopefully that clarifies! Cheers
Looking to upgrade my single bike quiver. Coming off an Intense Spider 29C 130/150 VPP and live in Durango. I love the climbing and light weight, but push it a bit past its design on the downs. Most rides are 8-10 miles and 1500’ with the occasional high country epic or bike park day. Any more thoughts on the EVO vs standard?
Awesome! I actually lived in Durango for four years! Personally, for Durango, I would go with the standard Stumpjumper. I have mine built right now with a 150mm Pike and it is an amazing rig. I’d go this route because the bike will keep the in-town trails fun, and still be enough for when you get into the high county. The penalty will be bike park days, but for me, the other aspects of riding greatly outweigh the occasional bike park lap. I think the Evo would make the climbs on the in-town trails a bit more work than they need to be, which might eventually lead to skipping rides. I like the balance of the standard Stumpjumper. That said, the Evo is an incredible bike. It is really really good downhill and can absolutely be a one bike quiver. However, I find equal joy in the climb and descent, so I prefer the balance of the Stumpjumper. It can still get down burly trails, but the experience may be a bit bumpier. At the same time, it is quite a bit quicker uphill than the Evo (my stumpy is 28lbs ready to ride, evo is 33/34lbs). I could swap to burlier tires, a Super Deluxe Ultimate, etc, on the Stumpy and probably pull some more downhill performance out of the bike if I wanted/needed. Standard Stumpjumper is the route I would personally go. Not sure if MBS is still around, but if so, maybe they have both frames you could check out. Cheers!
@@TJonesMTB Thanks for the feedback! I really appreciate the perspective, especially from someone who knows the trails around here. I rode an S5 EVO from MBS on Saturday and they have an S4 Stumpy ready for me. I’m curious about the shorter chain stays on the S4, but felt really comfortable on the S5. Still not sure if I can give up the pedal prowess of the VPP suspension, but I’m interested to see how the regular Stumpy feels. Wish there was a comparably built and priced Hightower to demo, seems I might get along with it well too. Do you feel that your new Stumpy is an efficient pedaler? I know it’s not an Epic, but curious how it might stack up efficiency wise with the other 130-140 bikes out there. Thanks!
@@Ufdah i think the Stumpy is the best pedaling trail bike I’ve ever had. Of course I’m limited in what I’ve ridden, so maybe I’m missing out on some magical bike, but I find that unlikely. The weight is also hard for many other trail bikes to match. If I added burlier tires and a heavier duty rear shock, the weight would go up a bit, but it should still be a good pedaling bike. Big days are definitely less taxing on the standard stumpy than they are on the Evo, which also translates to feeling fresher on descents. Unfortunately, I can’t compare to the Hightower, but that does look like a sweet bike. Regarding sizing, I prefer a smaller bike. That is not for everybody, so you will have to go with what feels best to you and consider the trails you ride most often. I’ve landed on the opinion that if I was going on a trip somewhere that I had no idea what the terrain was going to be, but was told lots of climbing and descending, I’d take my standard Stumpy. It’s lively, capable, and balanced. I can ride it down anything that I can take my Evo down, occasionally slower, but sometimes faster even. And I can pedal 10,000’ days and not be miserable. I’ve done 10,000’ days on the Evo, and it can absolutely do it, but I was significantly more tired afterwards and happy to be off the bike when it was done. 10,000’ days are obviously extremes, but they really make you consider the different aspects of your bike choices. Ultimately, you’ll likely be happy with either! I believe that the industry has hit a point where it is really hard to find a bad bicycle. And if your bike sucks, at least you’re out riding🤷🏼♂️ Cheers
I mean it absolutely can, but that is a lot of abuse on a bike like this. If that’s your primary riding, I’d got either Evo, Enduro, or possibly Demo. Yes it will handle a day in the bike park. Would I recommend doing that all the time? Absolutely not. It can shred but bike parks are high abuse on components, bearings, etc. Just some thoughts! Cheers
@@TJonesMTB it’s not my primary riding but Im new to mtbs and bought this one in January. I love it, it suits my local trails but now I have the urge to test myself further. Can I upgrade this bike or do I need a new bike with more travel ? Cheers
@@mikeocksmall6513 you can definitely test yourself and the bike. If you do start regularly riding bike park stuff, I’d recommend picking up a 2nd bike or renting for the weekends. I’m not sure which build you have but the Stumpy is pretty nice already. Also the rear travel is a set amount. You’ll want more travel for regular trips to the bike parks. Don’t be afraid to push the bike but also keep in mind that this bike is designed for trail use. If you’re landing road gaps in the sweet spot of the landing, it’ll be great. If you’re casing gaps and jumps, you might run into issues fairly quick. Congrats on the sweet bike and welcome to the sport!
I’ve been really digging the standard Stumpjumper. That thing can rip. And is great uphill. The Evo is pretty dang impressive though when the trail gets really chunky. Not quite as impressive uphill as the standard version though. Both are great! Enjoy whichever you get! Cheers
@@TJonesMTB really ? interesting... thanks for the tip! by the way, great review straight to the point, no 'comedy act" like most of them out there try. (wait,.. the Zeb is a front fork. The bomber is a rear coil shock)
@@31acruz really! The EVO is my bike and now has a RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate paired with a 170mm ZEB Ultimate! Great fit for that frame! The standard Stumpjumper in the review was a borrowed bike. I’d love to have 1 of each! Thanks for the feedback. Hopefully I’ll get to make some more videos soon! Cheers